₦airaland Forum

KunleOshob:
Modern day doctrine of tithes remains the most fraudulent doctrine in the history of mankind.

otitokoro1:
Despite this promise of blessing.  Why are Christians not blessed?

KunleOshob:
Abeg share me for the testimonies too!

newmi:
@Sirjohn
yes this what l am talking about what a great deliverance, to God be the glory and praise forever! Amen. Now watch this, it would be cynical and unreasonably canal if l begin to express doubt, questioning the authenticity of this glorious testimony perhaps by suggesting that you are no where to be found in the photos.
l believe like me several other persons are inspired and strengthened by this testimony as it does credence to the saving grace of God Almighty.
please share more!

yommyuk:
There are 2 different sides to this.

1. I can truly say that less than 1 percent  know/heard of CEC and all of the AFRICAN churches in the West especailly UK. Only 5% of the indegnious people, if not less go to chruch anyway. I never heard about CEC until 2007 thru a congolese I met at a bustop while going to work. I live in a neigbourhood where there are less than 10 black out of about 30k. Probably if I met him in Places like London, I might still  being in the dark concerning CEC. Even KICC with a membership of about 12k does not have up to 100(50 maybe) whites as members (Less than  1 percent). So r they really taking over the world and territories? But when these organisations preach on TV, they give the impression as if David Cameron is a member.

Secondly, the anglican church is very effective in every community (especailly with the older generation). You will be shocked  of the good they do. Can this be said of these so called AFRICAN churches who show who rent up every disused building in abandoned industrial estates. All they do is show up in a community, play holy holy holy within the church walls ,go outside show off and drive off. The Local people will be left wondering? what the heck?

Christainity is not all about preaching the WORD AND HEALing, it is about meeting personal needs in the local community hence leaving a legacy.

2. On the other side, most of these african churches are majorly good for networking.  At least you are with your own kind. They do have their benefits, but more needs to be done. They really need to engage the local population more, which is very hard. Most white people  find it uncomfortable going to a blackmans church. Some of them go out of boredom or because they may find a black gf who needs paper (meaning sexual exploits).

Check out TD JAKE or  CREFLOR Dollars, how may whilte folks do you see/find in their congregation on TV in the USA? Even the muslims are beating us hands down in this respect.



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nuclearboy:
Chei, see English. All this only for SirJohn! Newmi don vex patapata O. Longmans contemporary dictionary don enter trouble.

Me, I don dey laugh with Kunle.

Oh pastor, pastor pastor chris, it is not your fault. Na the muguns wey full country get fault.

newmi:
@mabell
Wow glory to God Almighty forever to is the power, the kingdom and the glory, Amen!
you see mabell l don't enjoy aging with these unbelievers and people whose hearts have become unpersuadable and hardened perhaps l should start praying for specific calamity and affliction to visit them so that they can believe but they mustn't wait for such.

mabell:
I have a testimony to share, during my final high school days, i came back from school one day and just observed that i was blinking too much. I couldn't stare at something for a long time, it was like i had stones in my eyes
As a result of this my eyes were always wet cos i couldn't leave them open for a long time and of course it was hurting and it persisted
I had attended Christ Embassy just during their carol service and didn't know much about the church
One day, i was sitting alone in the living room when Pastor Chris' program came on air, i watched him pray for people over the screen to their homes and just about when he was about to round up, he said there is a young girl watching me that has problems keeping her eyes open for a while, that caught my attention and he said the anointing of the Lord is upon you now and you are healed. I taught it was a joke and like play like play, i felt this soothing sensation in my eyes with water pouring down my cheeks and that was how it ended.
Oh what joy
I can vividly remember him saying Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever

So the healing ministry of Pastor Chris AND CHRIST EMBASSY did not start toady and will not end today

newmi:
@SirJohn
No discredit to you as an individual, but experiences however they may have played out are no bases for judging the truth about pastory Chris and CE. The word of God is the basis for the judging and we have subjected it to the scrutiny of the word of God and prove positive the result speak for themselves.
I personally got healed of deafness on my left ear in 2006 just by putting the word of God that pastor Chris preaches and teaches to work. you see its terrible to be deaf.

Joagbaje:
I have attended some sessions . But not the classes but at he same time , I have people I sent to healing school and the came back healed , except one woman who's symptoms returned. And there is explanation for that. If you want truth as real people. I know 2 people who have been married for years without a child . They went to healing school and the wives took in same month. You want to find the truth ? Let's start from them if you're ready, check the date of their marriage certificate . N
Interview them . Go through medical report. If you are ready let me know. I will get their contact. One of them have been married for about 15 years without a child. When pastor chrisay hands on them the miracle started.

newmi:
no that's where you are wrong my friend, we have seen the blind see, deaf ears stopped, the barren give birth, even the demoniac delivered, we have Satan time and time and time again bow in defeat before the power of God's Spirit all IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH.

And you know what, if it happened to only people whom we only heard of but can't relate with their conditions then we have the chance maybe doubt it but these things are testimonies from these our personal experiences with or without pastor Chris. we cast out devils, we lay hands on the sick and they are healed sometimes on our own bodies and are healed, we have seen complex and dangerous medical operations synthesized and easy by the power of God's Spirit
this is what yhe bible called in THE bok of Acts about the man at the beautiful gate "a notable miracle" what more could one ask for.

These came a time when even John The Baptist doubted Jesus and His ministry sending men to Jesus to ask him "are you the inequality we should expect or we should with fir another", what was Jesus' reply? after He had praise John, He said "tell him the blind see, the deaf, the dumb speak, the gospel is preached to the gospel poor". Don't think we are fools, we have proven it by the word of Godd and with fire.

newmi:
do you ever consider the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people spread over the world could be daft and silly that for morethan 2 decades we are still getting stronger in our conviction about this message, have you have asked what the motivation is? well if not then that was very nuts of you.

newmi:
our motivation is simple:
@ the money is ours not yours
@ we are living evidences that this message is not a failure and that it works, l mean our lives are prove positive this message works.
@ we seen the extra ordinary power of God demonstrated in several meetings all over the world with or with pastor Chris so this not about the man pastor Chris, you cannot defeat a people with proven convictions, read your history.

Joagbaje:
Nuclearboy,
You are one of the people that nominated me and voted for me. I didnt ask for it . I dey on my own jeje .Of what benefit Is this poster of the year to me by the way? Does it win more souls into Gods kingdom. The things I cherish are things that have eternal value and not a title.  Whoever want the title should take it GBAM!  . It's of no value to me. I don't need a vote to know the impact my posts Have made. On NL. my e mail Is there and I receive mails and chats from many many people who have been touched by truth posted.

Joagbaje:
The Kenyan 28 was healed at the healing school. I called her myself,to rebuke her to cooprate with those who are asking her questions. God doesn't need liars and actors to testify for him. It's a sin. But she confirmed to me she's really in Kenya and she's not a CEC member. I knew from her accent she's not Nigerian.

I thought you saud you would visit her wedding in Kenya . I was waiting for you to confirm your findings.

Joagbaje:
You don't need to start insulting. You know I'm not lying. You dont have right to csll me liar until you do proper investigation.

Joagbaje:
I told you lied to me about what she said. You called her again, and later told me that she is saying something else.  You also spoke with her brother and he confirmed her miraculous healing that day . His number is here for anyone to call 08039377331 CHIMA by name.

Joagbaje:
Thanks you snowy, but you can see I didn't bring it up. When John told me he didn't believe in miracles or healing . That they have seized since the days of the apostles that anyone that claim to heal the sick is lying.  I was more concerned for his restoration from this unbelief.  Is Shared few things with him. In private. He even said if he sees any genuine miracle,he will come over to verify them, he will tender apology etc . I told him I have several healing cases. I told hims some. I mentioned a woman that was blind in one eye and got healed, a leg ulcer, and some others. Truly he was reluctant at first, he feels I will sent actors to come and lie. He now changed his demand , that he wanted case of someone totally blind. I was shocked for the change in demand. Then i remember this woman case which happened 4 years ago . I said i had a woman healed of blindness but , ive  lost contact with her. He said thats the one he wanted. I began to make calls until i got her brother who gave me her number.   These were private discussions but its he want of  He is the one that brought them openly here.  When I saw the way he manipulated to rubbish that powerful testimony . I began to have serious concerns about his claim about healing school. I used to think he misuderstood some things in the healing school and thereby came to wrong conclusion , but I'm seriously in doubt of johns sincerity . It's not a case of misunderstanding now, but deliberate manipulation. It's sad.

Joagbaje:
@ Sir john.
She told me you were lying. She admitted she wasnt cooperating initially . When a stranger called her and started questioning her.
And I reasoned with her. She was going through a marital whatever. She was even afraid of the man finding out about this blindness she had before. She doesn't want to remember it. I told you she had a situation with her walk as a christian. These are personal things with her I dont want to bring open . So if someone suddenly appear and asking her such question she would be reluctant but when you said her testimony may bless others , she agreed and told you everything. I don't know her frame of mind right now. You your self said she told you she didn't like the idea of someone using her testimony for advertisement . I cant put her number here. After your treatment of her case. We can do conference call with her brother . he may talk with her if she would be willing. Shey you have her number. But as a counsellor , I advise you to be careful when dealing with a woman with some marital concerns. I dont want to win an argument. Every testimony I share are truth.

Joagbaje:
Sir John, the woman was 100% blind . When I gave you her number and you gave me untrue report. She confirm what you said was false. You claimed she said she began to see after going to herbalist and several consultation. But she told me that what she said to you was that she couldn't see, she went to several places and after much consultations, she was finally brought to me. And after I prayed for her , she began to see. I told you lied to me about what she said. You called her again, and later told me that she is saying something else.  You also spoke with her brother and he confirmed her miraculous healing that day . His number is here for anyone to call 08039377331 CHIMA by name.

His sister became totally blind. I prayed for her, initially no physical effect but I told her she was healed. I was sharing Gods word ,when suddenly she shouted "I can see" " can see".  I asked her how it happened , she said as she was hearing the word , her eyes opened. But no sight. (her eyes were shut before) but as she was listening to the word , faith rose in her and she said "I can see in Jesus name" , the moment she shouted I can see , sight was restored perfectly, she was led by the hand to me , she walked home by herself.

I told you I have 4 blind cases healed , I told you of another incurable leg ulcer the hospital rejected. When I prayed for him , he got healed. He had medical report. I told you I had several healing cases. But when I saw what seemed to be insincerity on your part , I didn't bother about the other cases since it seemed you made up your mind that the era of miracles are over

Joagbaje:
there is no need for stage managing of miracles. jesus christ is thesame yesterday, today and forever. miracles are common place in CeC. leaders and members do cast out devils and heal the sick. ask any local member of any branch. i dont want to talk about the miracles through me. you will say im boasting. so when we hear all these stories of staging miracles , we laugh over them because miracles are common place.
if theres any staging , it is those who are paid to lie against the church as they did o christ and other apostles.

Gombs:
. . . does the words 'sacred' or 'dumbfounded' mean anything insulting?, dumbfounded means to astonish greatly,while sacred means nervousness in,or fright. . .You need not act the way you did, . . Hey,we were discussing.that's civilization.insults is just the other way around.

Enigma:
Re last two posts:

Placebo effect from temporary exhilaration; well known effect and also well associated with fake healers.

- A chap I knew personally was  declared healed at Benny Hinn's gig in Nigeria and the chap also celebrated and jumped on stage; the chap died about a week later unfortunately.

- Several years ago, an elderly man I knew with some kind of palsy/back trouble went to some similar gig at the Stadium (maybe Obadare's); man also went on stage, and jumped "like he could not jump before"; goes back home and his condition was back to square one.

- Watch the video here and search what happened to the girl*  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yG96OqNNo

- Finally, google 'Cerullo Audrey Reynolds'

*Edited to substitute better video link with info on what happened to the girl

nuclearboy:
[size=18pt]Government did NOT BAN Miracles on TV.[/size] They only said they will verify ALL televised miracles. So why did the miracle workers" run away IF they knew their miracles were true?

nuclearboy:


He's likely on the phone furiously calling for reinforcements to come and share testimonies of how many lives his fellow "gods" delivered and souls they saved hopping from okada to Molues all over the country so we keep quiet. Rich blessed Okada hoppers!

That is the extent of his scholarship - thuggery, noise, distraction and of course, avarice