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Gombs:
Wait for it bro... he has 'concluded' his investigations... i am doing mine. Got to find out what Sirjohn told Jeff... more of like coercion, or should i say "making Jeff an offer" to get him to 'give him all he wants'

emmmm... Sir John, Mike is fine. How could you publish someone else's medical report online without permission? Who does that? and stop twisting what Mike said, mike simply told you, better put, warned you not to try such thing you did with Jeff on him, else, he'd fly to Lagos, and jail you for life. ... that sure silenced you. You think everywhere is like NL where you think you can trample on anyone as you wish?

I found out that all the while, you had little intention of establishing whether there was a miracle, this was all to 'bring Joagbaje down.' I'd try to get Jo here, just that he's so busy and a lot of you all cannot understand. So stop painting a picture that Jo is running from you all or such... Worse still for N500,000.

you did not wait for conclusion on the investigation, you are here asking for N500,000...after jo has proved himself trustworthy throughout your 'investigation', and not interfered except you ask him to, you still are here claiming?

wait let me get to Bayelsa again.

I'd be back.

I really don't think responding to this balderdash from you is worth my sweat.
I have written stuff about Chris Oyakhilome, who then is Mike? I told him to 'bring it on' or did he not show that to you too

If you were half as smart as you are trying to make yourself believe, you probably would have noticed the fake video which Joagbaje posted on every thread he found himself; but you didn't, now you want to form James Bond on top what you know nothing of.
I'm waiting for you

Just in case you need to be reminded, this was Joagbajes challenge:

[quote author=Joagbaje post=4:46am On Oct 05]Secondly if you a able to prove that this guy wasn't healed of HIV . I will give you half a million. .
This is an open challenge john.[/quote]His claim of a HIV healing was completely trashed here and he hasn't disproved it. If he is half the man of god he claims to be, he should do the honourable and pay me, SIMPLE.

And oh, when you get to Bayelsa, please tell Bro Mike that I'm still waiting for his policemen to come and arrest and jail me for life as he promised.

Gombs: Hello son!

Your whining and occasional seizures keeps getting finer with time.

I was going to say I was beginning to miss you, and so... I'd admit so.

A day of reckoning I hear you say?don't make me laugh harder than I already am... You of all people should be the last to say that,for yours has already begun. Mabell and nuella must have given you harder days that you had to mention them

It was clear Jo did no foul play here, for he could easily have bribed the fellow. Jo was honest, and he should be applauded for that. Read his account with an unbiased mind and you'd see, if you want to. I understand why it's this difficult to see so.

As for Jo,he's waxing great. I'd be in Bayelsa next Sunday for Super Sunday. You are invited. Maybe you'd understand better then.

nuclearboy:
Interesting thread.

Sadly, it will make no difference.. ..... Agbaje earns his living from this so won't stop (forget the stories of paintings etc which cannot feed someone used to free cash).... Gombs and co will eventually tire but pride will keep them quiet..... its just sad.

But a day of reckoning will come and we will all know God isn't mocked. He judged the fallen Angels and the Fallen (if they ever stood) pastors will have their day

SirJohn, you fall my hand sha - 500k would have done much for an orphanage and you let it go to buy maybe Iphone 6S for mabel and what was that other nuisance's name? nuella?

Didn't know AIO was still here....

Wow @nuclearboy, didn't know you're still here.

I did it for posterity, he escaped all my attempt to nail him in previous years but God ordained his waterloo with this one.
As per the money, Its a shame Joagbaje couldn't keep his word; and of course I cannot force it out of him.
I did what I had to do and I'm glad I passed the message across.

@Vooks, don't mind this charlatan par excellence, I spoke with him about two years ago after Joagbaje called me and was enthusiastically talking about him. Joagbaje insisted that the guy was gifted and that I should call him, well I did and the fellow was just talking trash.

@Godprophet, enough of all this charade, you are nothing but a charlatan and you know it

Godprophet:
Beloved Vooks

I COME TO YOU IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST

People like you often ask me: "Is it fair for me to charge $90 for personal prophecy? I find these questions ridiculous. You may as well say: "Why should a doctor charge to treat the sick, a surgeon charge to save a life or a barrister charge to save a man from death sentence?"

So what right has anyone with a God given gift the right to charge money for their gifts?
Artists should certainly not charge for their inspiration, neither should musicians or actors and actresses. These are gifts from God so should be given freely. And I’ve never seen a poor president – some of the presidents have the most prestigious private houses in the world but Prophets are higher than presidents. Presidents seek prophetic advice and prophetic counselling from Prophets.

But unfortunately others accuse we Prophets of living like parasites off those that are gullible. Apparently we all make huge amounts of money. This is a myth. Most Prophets prophesy for a living. If a Prophets like me is to charge $90 for personal prophecy, some people consider this excessive. They do not realise that a genuine Prophets cannot prophesy everyday.

One-on-one personal prophecy if done properly is utterly exhausting because it is well detailed suited for an individual than group prophecies.

One-on-one personal prophecy is also known by different names in the prophetic circle as forensic prophecy, microscopic prophecy, x-ray prophecy because the prophecy is extremely deep and suited for an individual. No stone is left unturned in the course of one-on-one personal prophecy.

A trained Prophets has to sit in trance for several hours before prophesying one-on-one personal prophecy in order to prepare himself and afterwards is spent communicating with God.

Do you know what it takes to prophesy on phone or email to a complete stranger which you haven't seen before with 100% accuracy? Only a well trained and gifted Prophet can do that.

The reality is that the fee paid for one-on-one prophecy has to include the time making prophetic preparation, prayers, the prophecy itself and communicating with God afterwards which can be very exhausting.

I gave up a very lucrative career as an engineer to work for God. It’s not a big deal as it was my choice but I wonder if the critics like you would be prepared to make similar financial sacrifices in order to follow a spiritual calling.

Most of my time would be spent making a huge fortune in engineering or relaxing in a 5 star hotel.

This prophetic thread certainly would not be here.

Wanting to be seen as a caring person is well and good but it can be taken too far when you fall victim to every request for yet another FREE PROPHECY.

We Prophets give a little for free but in most instances christians don't want to pay for one-on-one prophecy which is time consuming but they can pay for a professional one-on-one medical consultation, legal consultation, marketing consultation but they can't pay for a professional one-on-one personal prophecy consultation.

I continue to prophesy to men and women, boys and girls within and outside Nigeria for free and my Prophets help strangers for free.
In 2013 Christmas morning, I was on telephone for three hours prophesying for free to a complete stranger.

Bidam and other nairaland members have benefited greatly from my FREE PERSONAL PROPHECY.

Some say that the early Prophets did not take a fee but what is less often quoted is that most were given donations like Prophet Samuel etc. Very few people can afford to work for nothing.

Bills, rents, transportation fees, food, clothing, shelter and utilities must be paid just like the rest of you.

The Prophet ministry needs to be financed in other to preach the good news to 3 billion lost souls through evangelism handbills, radio evangelism, television evangelism & internet evangelism which are not free but must be paid.

God Bless You

GODPROPHET
(YOUR HUMBLE PROPHET)
www.GeorgeOlaye.com
www.facebook.com/OlayeGeorge
www.facebook.com/GODCardinals

vooks:
SirJohn,
You have a challenge right here in front of you

Haba @vooks that was 2011, I doubt if he'd ever challenge anyone on NL again to verify any of his miracle claims.

vooks:
Here is what I have observed
1. Unnecessary splitting of messages into several DVDS to make a 'series'. A 2 hour sermon that can comfortably sit on a dvd is split into 40 minutes bits,a set of 3 DVDS sold of course at the price of 3.

2. Most of the DVDS are bought by people who watched the pastor live. These are the same members who support ministry and as such there is no need to profit from them

3. Charging for DVDS is one step away from charging for Live sermons

4. Selling merchandise is always restrictive;fewer benefit. Don't tell me that 'mature' believers know the value of the message exceeds the cost

Personally, I favor the open source approach like Linux. I can download at. My expense a Hirens Boot CD and burn it but ordering a CD costs me. In short, free resources but believers pay the small cost of distribution.

Cc
NLMediator
Image123
esere826

@vooks, your point number 1 has always got me thinking, and even when these messages are split into 40mins bits, what you have is actually about 20mins of the sermon and the rest 20mins is just adverts for other ministry merchandise like books and other DVD's.

And it doesn't end there, I wonder if the high cost of these DVD's are justifiable. I've heard them oftentimes try to justify this by quoting Proverbs 23:23 out of context: "Buy the truth, and sell it not...", I wonder how this justifies their actions

Okay guys let me drop a few of my opinions here

Let me start by stating again like I have done before that I believe in miracles. However, like @vooks and several other people have mentioned, I believe miracles are not as frequently occurring as some people would have us believe. It's not because of our unbelief or inefficiencies but simply because it is Almighty Gods will at this time.
There are documented supernatural and miraculous occurrences across the world including medical miracles, and a number of them are not even linked to Christianity nor were some of the recipients true believers.
Like vooks mentioned, its important we accept the reality on ground otherwise we will be snared into false hope and false belief system which eventually leads to the kinds of false testimonies we see today in the pentecostal circles.

The story of Jeff here on Nairaland is an example of how deep this syndrome has eaten into the church. I still find it hard to understand why people fake testimonies and lay claim to miraculous healings that never took place. In the Joagbaje-Jeff scenerio, what could possibly have happened? Why would Jeff openly lie about being cured of HIV? was it all planned? This bit we may never be able to answer like many other such claims.

Sadly, Jeffs case is not the only case I have unraveled in recent times. I remember a couple just like in vooks' story who were married without children for over five years. The couple was then introduced to a woman in PortHarcourt who was said to be an expert in fertility. She promised to help them get children through trado-medical treatment, she even bragged that she could make the woman conceive twins. They were asked to pay I think about 600k for this treatment, a male child went for a higher amount.

They paid and then the woman was given a concoction of herbal drugs and was given a time to meet with her husband. What she didn't know was that the drugs contained substances that mimic pregnancy symptoms including nausea, weight gain, enlarged bosoms, morning sickness and even swollen tommy (surprise right?). She was told that she could only visit the center for ante natal and that pregnancy tests may show negative but that she shouldn't worry about that. To cut the story short, she was also told that her delivery would be done in their centre and only by that woman. Nine months later, this woman was already carrying a bouncing baby girl, some months later, she was dedicating her baby in one of the pentecostal churches in Lagos, but never mentioned she had gone to meet this woman in PH. If you watch Channels news regularly, you would have seen the fake fertility doctor a couple of months back cos she has been arrested.

But here's a shocking twist to true story, this woman was never pregnant, the babies are not hers and she and her husband are unaware till date. she was given a sedative drug during the fake delivery during which she was even cut so she would bleed. I know some people reading this can already relate to it. But in the eyes of the church members and even the pastor, ANOTHER MIRACLE HAD HAPPENED

Gombs:
[size=5pt]Are you sure you know what a terminal illness is? Rheumatoid arthritis does not start as terminal but a chronic disease, but as it progresses, it becomes terminal.

HIV is terminal shey? since CE healed a non terminal disease, and 'could not' heal a terminal one Kenyan has ie HIV

Let me enlighten you a bit

One really important thing to remember is that HIV is a chronic illness not a terminal illness. So what does that mean?

Terminal means that the illness will carry on until you die from it. Ie can not be managed and is expected to result in death.
A chronic illness is something that you will have for a long time. Doctors call an illness chronic if it lasts for longer than three months. Some other chronic illnesses are:
Asthma (the most common)
Diabetes
Cerebral palsy
Sickle cell anemia
Cystic fibrosis
Cancer (not all)
AIDS
Epilepsy
Spina bifida
Congenital heart problems

All of these illnesses need medicines to keep the condition under control.

Now, all diseases are incipient death. Hence it matters not whether it's terminal or chronic, what matters is it is not there to smile with you. I want to be clear here, I am no here to drag whether Kenyan is saying facts or not, I've seen folks healed, and are alive today.[/size] [size=14pt]It is always convenient to blame the school for a pupil who failed an exam, and rarely ever is the pupil blamed for not studying enough. [/size]
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I think this is my last post on this thread. Best wishes on your campaign.[/size]

Oh please keep quiet already, you all are so freaking predictable. Your contributions aren't needed anyway; I wasn't expecting you to say anything different

PastorKun:
Joagbaje , Gombs your attention is needed here

I doubt you'd ever see their shadows here again. Joagbaje has gone into hiding since he was disgraced here; he's yet to clear himself on the Jeff saga. Even if they do show up, you should know what they'll say.
Its a pity the woman is dead, only God knows how many more we may never get to hear about

Kenyan28:
I am here and like I promised, to report another failed miracle. Pastor Joags last "miracle" is no more. You remember that woman who visited the HS in SA before me. That one who has been claiming to have been healed of stomach cancer? The one just like me who refused to go for a check up after HS? Yes that one. She passed on yesterday the 2nd of Jan 2015 of the same same cancer. May her soul RIP. Detail on Monday.

Wow this is sad news, I remember her story very well; I remember back in 2012 Joagbaje kept taunting you with her case and bragged that she was healed.

Joagbaje:
You don't want to talk about a woman who's pain and evidence of cancer had disssapeard but you want to dwell on those you claim lost their healing . That's dishonest .

Joagbaje:
@ Kenya 28
Pls let's deal with fact . I know you're angry . But you're still a christian. How long has this woman been healed of cancer . 1 year 2 years. 3 years? Pls be honest

I also remember scolding him for being insensitive about what had happened to you

SirJohn:
@Jo, this really shows how insensitive you are to the situation on ground, we are talking about a whole family that is on the verge of destruction occasioned by the poisonous doctrine this lady was fed in CE HS and here you are trying to score a point with a case we know nothing about.
Lets face the one before us now as the person is well alive and able to speak for herself.
Don't force her to give testimony on behalf of someone else because for all we know she may not have the accurate details. She may have told you about the lady before, but right now her eyes are open and she can understand better. as it is now, only that lady can speak for herself that is if she is still alive.

I also remember your response to him about the lady which sadly has come to pass

Kenyan28:
Again @Joag,I told u earlier and repeat that that lady has never gone back for medical check up after the HL session infact, she assumes she is healed. and like I said, al be here to tell when she dies of the same coz it wont take long.

My sincere condolences to the dead but please @kenyan28 can you tell us how you came about this information.
Thanks

I'd like to wish Joagbaje a merry Christmas and hopes that when or if he comes out of hibernation he does so with my 500k
#epicmiraclefail
#jeffisstillontherun

WinsomeX:
I wish all naira landers merry Christmas. Specifically:

Gombs, nlmediator, Alwaystrue, Bidam, Image123, mbaemeka and all others.

I also felicitate with shdemidemi, trustman, BabaGnoni, PastorKun, SirJohn, Candour, vooks, nannymcphee, Goshen360, frosbel, DrummaBoy and all the rest.

I trust God that theological discusses of 2015 will unveil greater knowledge of the person of Jesus Christ to us all.

Enjoy the season.

@WinsomeX,
Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year to you too

Gombs:
Jo is fine, met him when he went for BLW Presidential Awards. He got an Award you know! He's way too busy for your fruitless jabs and egocentric exuberance. But, holla him on WhatsApp na! I'm sure you do.

Merry Christmas buddy!

Sure I do, dude is still trying to unravel why Jeff wasn't healed
My bother, its not by speaking many grammar, I put my money where my mouth is and you gotta love the result

Merry Christmas!

Gombs:
I can recommend some nairalanders

SirJohn
Kenya28
Lobeez
Nannymcphee (not an ex sha, but on the verge)

These 4 plus you, can start a blog and find your ilks. I recommend Drummaboy aka WinsomeX, he is (or was) a blogger, though not on the shiny side, he can put you guys through. Good luck.

@Gombs,
You should have realized by now that I don't have time for petty talk
By the way, where is Joagbaje and Jeffs negative report? or has he started a healing school class for Jeff to heal him of the HIV

@Post,
Assuming this story is true, I think it was very unprofessional of her to fight with her customer. One very key business principle I believe in is to always see a customer as the 'king' and like they say, 'the customer is always right'.

If the agreement she had with Christ embassy or whoever within the church was well documented and unambiguous, then there were better ways to have handled the breach. Trying to force your way into someone's office to demand for your money is a no no for me. If she knew how to go to the police and then to court to sue, why didn't she explore that option first before resorting to physical violence in the customers premises?

I also do not endorse physical violence against women or anyone but who knows what sort of scene or damage she would have created if left unrestrained. She should do a better job at trying to convince us with that photo as I personally did not see any real signs of battery.

In all, I tire for church matter these days, both pastors and members alike can be something else.


Folks be like 'Is this SirJohn for real"

Gombs:
Appelez ça comme vous voulez .... Je marche par son Esprit. Me citer dans l'avenir

Oh croyez-moi que je vais... Surveillez cet espace !

Folie des grandeurs

Gombs:
Bobo, no time for petty leagues and dragging with you fellas... I am gonna raise an online army, by his Spirit...there's alot of ground to conquer online... I've got NL covered, you may want to know I raised LambanoPeace and vivydoxa.... it's time to lock down the media with the message of the spirit, this gospel must be taken round more voraciously.

I have a purpose here, a vision, I was not sent here to drag tithing and such with you all... it's time to mobilize all those my folks on NL. We've gotta take facebook, wordpress and for Christ.

Haba why are you guys derailing this thread.
I watched that video from start to finish and I couldn't help but imagine the lengths people will go to 'help' God.
The Kanyari guy reminds me of apostle Suleiman. Its all a matter of time though.

mbaemeka:
2. The curse came by the law I.e one's adherence or disobedience of the law. But the devourer has always existed and will always exist. Besides, I said the devourer aims to attack everyone on earth not just Christians who do not tithe. What tithing does is that it gives God the access to rebuke the devourer for the tithers sake whereas in the case of the non-tithers, they would have to fend him off themselves.

Oh really
Eyaaa!! SMH. . .

Gombs:
What if Jeff gets a HIV negative result?

Hmmm! someone is not sounding so confident anymore, 'What if?' well you may be in for a very long wait
Last time I checked, there were three hospital test result we were supposed to see, for the first one, after nearly a month of pressure, Jeff said the doctor who diagnosed him in PH has been transferred from the hospital; now you tell me Bro Gombs, does that prevent him getting his medical records? Okay lets assume he has to chase the doctor, he 'went' to Owerri after Joagbaje sent him 30K and left Owerri without even giving Jo any feedback. It was when I asked Jo about the outcome of the trip, he called Jeff and what did Jeff say? He told Jo he got the results but was robbed on his way back and that he lost the results in the process he claimed he had to be hospitalized by some policemen.
And Jo believed him, I bet even you Gombs would have raised a red flag here.

For the second hospital, even when he could have just walked in and requested for the report, he didn't. It had to take someone else' effort to get the HIV positive result out and guess what? even though he claimed in Jo's video that he tested negative there, there was no such record in that hospital.

So that leaves us with one more right? FMC

In all my conversations with him, he hardly ever mentions FMC so I had to quiz him on that. My question to him was "In the video you mentioned going to the FMC am I correct?" he answered to the affirmative "Okay so what did you go to the FMC to do?" Jeff said he went to the FMC to collect anti retro-viral drugs. When I asked if he tested at the FMC, he couldn't give me a direct answer but he later said he did, when I asked what the result was, he again couldn't give me a direct answer. I pushed and pushed and then he told me it was positive but they later called him to say they made a mistake that the result was negative. Another red flag!

So unless Joagbaje plans to catch Jeff (who is currently on the run) and run a fresh test on him (which will most likely be positive given the circumstances), It is clear there was no negative result anywhere and the wafi guy has just pulled a cheap con on the man of god.

Gombs:
God through Joagbaje has wrought alot of miracles, and yes, i verified them myself... Joagbaje is a well refined MOG, a unique one at that, who'd have time out of heading more than 200 churches under him to come on NL and try to teach what he knows work well by the Holy Spirit.

It's ok to doubt him sha, and for folks to call him fraud.

Well this is my third attempt to verify Joagbajes bogus claims, the first I think was a young boy he claimed he healed of a hole in the heart, he said he had x-ray evidence; when I asked Jo to produce the X-ray, he later turned and said he didn't have it, this was years ago.
The second of course was the 'blind' woman, my only regret was that I never recorded the conversation I had with her like I did for Jeff. She said in very clear English that 'she was not blind' I even spoke with her brother and it was the same thing he told me. but when Jo called her back, she denied ever telling me that and told Jo I was a liar. At least, from this latest story, you can now judge who was lying. Its either these people are afraid to disappoint Joagbaje so they lie to massage his 'MOG ego' or Joagbaje himself is the one lying.

vooks:
You need to watch this to understand how miracles are manufactured/staged and the gullible fooled


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8vhmb_bX1E

One would do well to read James Randi an atheist's expose on these back in the eighties

This video documentary is a must watch, it looks like its a very recent stuff. if only we can pull off something like this in Nigeria.
I'm shocked people will go some crazy length to deceive. Kudos to those brave church workers who agreed to expose their fraudulent 'daddy'

PastorKun:
@sirjohn
Come and conclude the report of your investigation oh! Or has Joagbaje been begging you behind the scene to discontinue it You owe us all the concluding details of this investigation. People ought to be aware less they fall victim to charlatans who would tell them that it is not paying first fruits that causes HIV.

@PastorKun, I don't think it is necessary to release any more detail especially considering the fact that Joagbaje did not contest the burst.
He has apologised for any misrepresentation his actions caused and has tried to explain his involvement in the issue.
The point has been made, THERE WAS NO MIRACULOUS CURE OF HIV
The details I posted already is causing no small stir as I already had someone accuse me of blackmailing Joagbaje, and threatened to arrest and jail me well I've told him to bring it on.

.

Topgainer:
I have read Pastor J.O response and I don't think this investigation will be complete without getting to know why Mr Jeff came to testify to having been cured of HIV when he was not even prayed for, there were no verifiable evidence that he was a known HIV carrier, the said witnesses (girl friend or close acquaintance ) are nowhere in short yet he had agreed to his testimony been shared to the World

A million dollar question is who hired Mr.Jeff to pose as healed of HIV in that video?

In all fairness to Joe Agbaje, he may not be aware that some fans go extra length to project the image of their lords, was it by mere coercion that somebody will leave his house and go to a church to pose as testifier for the fun of it

Jeff was a member of a satellite church under Joagbaje.
He had a girlfriend at that time and they were planning on getting married; somewhere along the line, he found out he was HIV positive and he told his fiancee. She requested that they both go for a test he agreed and the result still turned out positive for Jeff but negative for the fiancee (this was at Glory Land Inri Medical Centre Yenogoa). He later went to the FMC and still tested positive.

From what I gather, the pastor (not Joagbaje) was aware of this situation but encouraged them to go ahead with wedding plans if they so choose (I don't know if this is a Christ Embassy policy). Well, they decided to go ahead and were even doing some traditional rites.
For some reasons still unclear to me, the relationship hit the rocks although Jeff told me it wasn't because of his HIV status. He gave several worrying stories about her and even labelled her a witch. I then asked if I could have her contact to which he replied saying he no longer has them. At this point, I had to conclude that whatever happened between them was very serious.

At this time, Jeff said he had tried going on traditional medicine and even went to TB Joshua for cure but his condition remained.
When I quizzed him how he thinks he got HIV, his reply was nothing short of shocking; he said he got HIV because he didn't pay his firstfruits that year (How damaging some doctrines can be).
Well he heard of the program organized by his main church (Joagbajes church) and his pastor encouraged him to go there.

So why did Jeff claim to have been healed? ? ? ?

Its either of two things for me, but firstly I am ruling out Joagbajes complicity in the mess even though I still find him wanting for not taking responsibility

First, I think Jeff did what is commonly obtainable in WOF circles where people believe in the name it and claim it fallacy or should I say 'Fake it till you make it'. So it was not impossible that he was simply pushing his faith just as he has been taught. In that case, Joagbaje became a victim of his own belief.

Secondly, I feel Jeff wanted to save face since he had fallen out with his fiancee in a messy break up. He knew that since his ex knew about his status and they were not in good terms, she could spill the beans so the sharp guy had to cook up a healing testimony which he laced with such audacious mendacity.

In all, I believe lessons have been learnt

paulGrundy:
You've finally enlarged the doctors report, and I have seen it, I have seen that it was HIV (+ve). What we don't know is if that was his doctors report before he got his healing. I think its wise to hear the other side of the story before jumping into conclusion. Jo maybe taking too long because he is trying to get his facts together. Don't get the mistaken impression that I hate you. I can't read peoples intentions, but if have a wrong motive for doing what you are doing, you'll face the consequences that one is for sure.

@paulGrundy,
That test result was fro Glory Land Inri medical centre Yenogoa, where he and his fiance went a second time to test. he tested positive while his fiancee tested negative. He claimed that the same hospital tested him negative after Joagbajes prayers, but upon investigation, it was discovered that there was no record of his negative result.
When he was told he would be taken for a fresh test, he ran away

Most miracle healing claims have twists like this in their story, so I knew from day one that I would burst this story.
Believe me, even from the beginning, I knew Jo wasn't that smart he was just trying to be like his boss but what he didn't know is that his boss is an expert scam artist even though some of us have already seen through some of his scams; this thread was dedicated to one

Joagbaje is silent because he has been advised not to say much and I wont blame him, he is a public figure , he is also trying to get Jeff to respond to him but if you were Jeff would you respond? he was abandoned, he lost his job, lost his marriage and Joagbaje never knew because to him, Jeff was another plaque on his wall, well at least until yesterday

Some of you trying to play Mr nice guy don't even know Jo as much as I do, if you knew how much of a personality he is in his church, you'd advice him to just stay off NL and face his work not coming here to boast of dashing out half a million.

paulGrundy:
You didn't prove anything in the thread, you just posted a minuscule form that we can't even clearly see.

You won't get my attention, I see you are so pained you had to open a thread on his behalf.
Oh I didn't prove anything?
Your man got served, at least he has learned where to draw the line with godless boasts

Let me pass some points across
Please beware of faith healing claims brandished by these so called 'Men of God dog' as they cannot hold water.
Like someone rightly pointed out, Joagbaje does not understand the inner dirty manipulations that go on in faith healing circles and I have tried all the years I have known him to make him understand this. All the men that he looks up to are seasoned con men who have mastered the art of deception over many years. I knew I would punch holes in his miracle claim, and its not just Joagbaje but any other fellow claiming to posses the ability to work wonders and miracles.

The emphasis on miracles today is an error and those who have given themselves to it will continue to suffer similar fate as Joagbaje. Since they will not humble their ears to truth, they will forever fall prey for very silly and cheap lies. God does not need to prove himself anymore than he has done, He is God whether the blind see or not, He is God whether HIV remains positive or negative; if you struggle to accept this truth, then all I can say is 'I'm so sorry for you'

I have never regarded Joagbaje as a fraud, I have spoken with him on several occasions on several issues over the years and the only thing I think is his problem is that he is very gullible, he lacks the ability to discern properly and I know I have said this to KunleOshob now pastorkun .
This is one case where my judgement of him proved spot on. Even now, Joagbaje does not mind sending the Jeff of a guy more money.
I did some digging on Jeff Niboro and I suspect this guy may be an online sexual predator; well thats for another day. I really hope he learns from this

[quote author=Joagbaje 4:46am On Oct 05]Don't just sit on your computer typing rubish john .i sense you're afraid .You know this testimony will rubish all the nonsense you've been publishing . I posted the guys number . Why not find out . Why haven't you made an attempt . It's not my duty to run errand for you . If I post medical record here you will call say I forged it so john I challenge you in the name of Jesus whom you're denying . Use your half a million naira to prove me wrong.
Secondly [size=18pt]if you a able to prove that this guy wasn't healed of HIV[/size] . I will give you half a million. .
This is an open challenge john.[/quote]Joagbaje,
Did I prove to you that the video was a joke? YES
Did I prove that the guy wasn't healed? YES
Did I prove you wrong? YES

If your response is contrary, please say

This is the guys medical report, the only one we could get in two months; can you provide a negative report to cancel this out? NO

Joagbaje:
MY FULL RESPONSE

i will summarize . Jeff testifies of being healed of HIV. Actually That's about 2years ago or 3. I asked for his medical records he said he could get it within the week. And I assumed he had. I sought his consent on the testimony being shared online . He consented . I asked for the editing of the video .which was done . And a Clip from from the particular programme which Jeff mentioned. Was presented which actually fit Jeff story and also looked like him to a great extent. Except that the other guy looks very sickly and lean which could also be attributed to the ailment . But to be very sure . The video link was sent to jeff on whatsapp to verify if he watched the video and if he was the one being prayed for And he affirmed , so that clears me of any deliberate manipulation . I can send the screen shot of the whatsapp conversation to Gombs if he could post it for me. Sir john also saw the chat because I posted the screen shot to him also.That's that about the Video.

You sent the video link to Jeff on September 21 and in the chat he said he watched the video. When I called him, he told me the same thing but changed his story when my interrogations became vicious. On October 28th, he claimed in a phone conversation that he has finally watched the video and that he was the same person in the video, he even promised to send me a picture of him wearing the same clothes (I sent you the voice recording)
It was on Sunday you finally admitted that you confirmed he was not the one in the video, it was the same Sunday I noticed that you removed the link from your profile. Jeff then called me on Monday to finally admit that he was not the one in the video, that was strange to me because he never calls me, remember I had to ask you if you asked him to call me.

Now listen Joagbaje, like I've told you before, you have to take responsibility for whatever this video and your lame claims are doing to you now because it was solely your responsibility to ensure this didn't happen

Joagbaje:
Then concerning his healing. Noe Somebody may ask why i didn't insist on seeing the medical report.the answer is simple I know beyond doubt that the person I prayed for in that video was healed . So the issue is was it Jeff?. And Jeff confirmed he was. So I had double assurance . The witness of the spirit in me on the day of prayer and Jeff affirmation. I was not keen on being the one to present the medical evidence . Firstly Because some people here will claim it's manipulated . I prefer the investigators to talk with the testifier and ask him for proof of his healing . And also because of my previous discussion with Sirjohn. He had ask if I can present any miracle through prayer ,he would travell there to investigate and talk with the Neighbours and relative and medicals . So I left the investigation for Him.

So I gave the challenge. For john to find out if this miracle was staged or a fraud as they claimed. I gave the phone number of the guy with the understanding that he had his papers now. When john told me the guy didn't have them , I called him to ask. He said he is now living in delta. And he is out of job. He didn't even have money to go and get the records. I asked for his account no. I sent 30,000 to him.and later another 10,000. Sirjohn will bear witness that the guy sometimes doesn't pick calls for days . I dealt with john with all transparency . Jeff claimed he got his doctors report from of of the doctors who had been transferred to Owerri. But he said they were robbed on the way and he had to go back and start all over. I agree to still give him even if it's 100,000 . To avoid. Story. Sir John was even warning me . That the brother may be taking me for a ride. While we are still waiting for that . I introduced his pastor to john who knew about the history of his ailment .

Joagbaje, I want to repeat that the purpose of this thread is not to ridicule you, you know that with the information I have I could as well paint a picture of you being complicit in this misrepresentation.

You challenged me to prove that the guy was not healed, that is what this is all about not about Joagbaje being a fraud. I have gotten to the point where you cannot deny that he was not healed with the weight of evidence you and I are privy to. So don't try to play smart, just sign my cheque straight away

I did the investigation and the result is what this thread seeks to unravel.
Jeff claimed he got HIV because he didn't pay his firstfruits; he gave a lengthy tale about how his pastor warned him about not giving his firstfruits.
He initially claimed he had the test results and even asked me to send my email to him so that he would send them to me (I sent you this recording as well) Later he claimed the doctor that diagnosed him has been transferred from the hospital, remember I told you it wasn't a problem that as long as he has his files in the hospital he could always get his details (tell me how we finally got the result we have)
You insisted on sending him money to travel, he traveled to Owerri (or so he claimed) yet nothing came out of it, when I asked you to give me update on his trip to Owerri you told me he said he was attacked by robbers and he lost the reports he got Remember I laughed hard and told you he was playing games with you.

When his Pastor came into the picture, things began to sit up, he helped contact Glory Land inri medical centre and Jeffs record was searched, his HIV positive report came out. But Jeff had claimed in the video that he also tested negative in the same hospital (please watch the video again) But the Negative result was no where to be found in the hospital. this proves that he lied about his status.

Joagbaje:
Finally I had to get his pastor and his ex Fiancee to go to one of the hospitals to get the record of his first test of HIV positive which was sent to Sirjohn. There were 3 hospitals where he said he had test. They've not been able to get the one for HIV negative. He was to go to owerri again . His pastor finally concluded Jeff should do another test now. And he later called me that Jeff travelled. I've called him and sent message . So I'm waiting for the other reports and feed back. And he finally present them . They should be well Scrutinized for any falsehood. And there need be . Jeff can be compelled to do fresh test. If there's anything else I remember I will re post. That's it for now.

Joagbaje, we waited for two months for Jeff to produce his report yet he couldn't or should I say wouldn't; It took Mikes intervention for his positive test result in Bayelsa to come out, Jeff lied countless times to me and you although you were worse off because you swallowed his lies hook line and sinker.
I'm amazed you missed out the juicy part of the detail, why didn't you tell them that Jeff was at Mikes place in Bayelsa and he promised he would go to PH to get his negative result. Mike agreed but told him that he would take him for a fresh test in Bayelsa if he is unable to produce the result; what happened next? Jeff absconded from his house and has since not been seen.

I don't know what it would take before you realize that you are being played, quit being a kid and man up to reality JOAGBAJE

Boss13:
SirJohn, I am totally shocked you would say this. Can you not remember all what he said in previous threads. What chance do you give to a fraudster rather than put him in his shoes. He is going to cook up more fraud stories to cover his shame. What excuse do I want to read from this F.O.O.L who deceives people in the name of religion. He should be cast away from our midst.

Temper temper. . . He deserves a chance to speak

Boss13:
SirJohn, please I insist you repost the conversation. I do not want this investigation to be treated with kids glove and the public deserve the right to know.

I am not here to ridicule Joagbaje, I think he deserves the opportunity to explain himself before the world and probably apologize for his mistakes.
that is what I expect him to do. If that does not happen then I will assume he is unrepentant and maybe we will then unsheathe our swords

Gombs:
I'd contact Joagbaje for his side of the story!...

Be my guest Bro, I'm trying as hard as I can to give him a soft landing

Gombs:
You had to post the chat here too? That was private talk man!

I already took it out before your post came in, just flashing how much arsenal I got