₦airaland Forum

jaephoenix:
So if you ask your god,"why did my dad die?" Its a prayer?

I will only respond to u because I haven't warned u before. next time, its God and not god. I will not respond to anyone who choose to demean what I believe. ok!!!!

Yes, it's prayer. Any communication towards God is prayer. I'm even surprised u asking this. shocking u dont even know praise and worship are modes of prayer used to communicate to God.
and yet he will come here and argue he was once a xtian.

honesttalk21:
Adjourning isn't answering, and the burden stays yours. We acknowledge the Stone's veneration; prove Deut. 16:22 forbids this rite and binds Muslims. Umar, a companion of the prophet pbuh, said it can neither benefit nor harm, while Nasa'i 2919 links forgiveness to the rite, not independent power in the Stone. Allah alone forgives. Your Judeo-Christian influence claim also needs evidence well beyond your bland assertion. Be better ready when you choose to continue.

no be u, even if I bring evidence directly from Baba God, u go gree.

God says do not venerate stones, u guys venerate stones.
next thing is to try and look for partner in crime to justify your disobedience
unfortunately, there is no pillar or stone in the bible that was constantly venerated by Israelites or a stone God gave any instruction must be venerated when performing religious duty. none
The only one that would have rescued u from the paradigm of paganism is the bronze snake but was smashed to pieces when people started venerating it.

This is what God said should be done to any venerated stones found in the land.

exodus 23.24
Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces .

exodus 34.13
Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.

This is exactly what your prophet should have done because that was what hezekiah did with the bronze snake. If a king can smash to pieces a sacred pole used for miracle and salvation by Moses, Muhammed has no excuse.


He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And [b]he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, [/b]for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).

that the black stone came from the sky or built by Abraham is not sufficient ground to uphold such practice when God already banned it.

asking where God told Muslims not to venerate a stone is what we call 'exact word fallacy' and the only way u can be exhonerated is if Muhammed message IS NOT IN CONTINUITY WITH PREVIOUS PROPHET OR ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME GOD AS THE ONE THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

jaephoenix:
Any communication is a prayer? Really? So if i call my wife and we chat, its a prayer? Na who do una dis thing

Any Communication with God!!! That's prayer

Qasim6:
What is the evidence that the first creed of corinth predates Paul? Is there any external genuine document that is not Pauline that corroborate the creed predating paul?
As far as I know it's just Paul telling us he received a creed.

we have so many 1st century christian text apart from Paul and outside of the bible that confirms the cornthian creed.
epistle of barnabas, 1 Clement to the corinthians all said the same thing.
The didache described Jesus as the living sacrifice thru whom the Father gives spiritual food and drink as well as eternal life.

Qasim6:
This is what you probably don't know or you know you just don't give a damn.

The 7 genuine letters of paul are the only genuine documents we have to know what went down with the first generation of Christians. You can quote all those forged documents from now till tomorrow it changes nothing. when you are done quoting them you can go warm your eba.

muslims are interesting bunch. same scholars that told u of the 7 authentic letters are the same ones that told u the corinthian creed did not come from Paul but predate him.
But u know what.. unlike u muslims, scholars are consistent. The reason they gave that letters of timothy, titus and ephesians couldnt have been written by Paul is the exact same reason they gave that corinthins creed couldnt have come from Paul. The linguistic style and theological construction doesn't resemble Paul's tone of writing.

Qasim6:
Now let's go to Paul's letters
Paul made sure to let us know in his letters the gospel he's preaching was his personal property that he received it from no one other than the resurrected Christ.
From Pauls letters we can see there are some teachers from Jerusalem, at another time "men from James" always in his wake to correct his teachings. these teachers even had teaching license which Paul did not have. He refers to their gospel as "another gospel which is no gospel at all"
My point is there has always been another gospel floating around since the days of Paul, which Paul was addressing with his anathema and I don't understand why the Op is making Paul's anathema about prophet Muhammad that lived 600yrs later when he was not the one in Galatia correcting Paul's teachings. I know you guys are uncomfortable with the fact that Paul's curse was directed towards Jerusalem, towards Jesus own disciples, but we know who Paul was throwing jabs at and it's definitely not prophet Muhammad.

we have been thru this before and not in the mood to repeat. one of this days, I will give u guys a lecture on those jewish christians u people love so much called Judaizes and what they believe.
The way I shocked u when I brought out the ancient jewish belief on onesness of God is the way u will be shocked when I bring it up.
shebi u people love to say Judaizers were the closest early christians to Islam. don't worry he go shock u.
I will bring to u what they believed and said about Jesus, then u can compare if it fits in anyway into your rationalised and watered down Quranic narrative.
I just hope when I bring it, u wont change mouth and start condemning them like u did with ancient jews.

Qasim6:
Unfortunately for you and the author of 1 john, Islam does not deny Jesus as the Messiah, the honour of denying Jesus is exclusively reserved for your Judeo brothers.
If by Father and son you mean the Jewish understanding, God as a provider, and son a righteous/honoured servant of God, yeah we acknowledge that even though it's now abrogated for us some people already bastardised the term, it's the pagan Greco Roman understanding which Christianity adopt we reject all together.

u wont play this nonsense game with me. I dont care what u understand about the Son of God and Father. I care about what Quran says and how it was understood when your prophet revealed it.
show me a clear verse in the Quran where Allah was fully aware it was ok in the past to call him Father. I want u to bring me a verse just like the verse where God says 'no longer call me baal but husband'. Show me where Allah said in the past it was ok to call me Ftaher but not anymore. That's what I want to see otherwise all your shalaye na innovation- biddah

The Quran clearly shows Allah as bewildered as to why people call him Father when he has no son. He even condemned christians and jews who call themselves children of God when it is pure metaphorical. so how come its ok to be called son of God metaphorically when Allah punished those who use it in such way.

even your tafsir rejected the idea that Allah can be called Father in a metaphorical manner. It took jews and christians who converted to Islam to reexplain how its used in those religions, something Allah never explained.

5.18 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(The Jews) the Jews of Medina (and Christians) the Christians of Najran (say: We are sons of Allah) we are the sons and prophets of Allah (and His loved ones) who follow His religion; it is also said that this means: we follow Allah's religion as if we were His sons and loved ones; and it is said that this means: we are to Allah like His sons and we are followers of His religion. (Say) to the Jews, O Muhammad; (Why then doth He chastise you for your sins) due to worshipping the calf for 40 days, if you are like sons to Him; have you ever seen a father torturing his sons with fire? (Nay, ye are but mortals) created servants (of His creating) like all His other created beings.

5.18 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
The Jews and Christians both of them say ‘We are the sons of God that is we are like his sons in terms of closeness and rank and He is like a father to us in terms of compassion and care and His beloved ones’. Say to them O Muhammad (s) ‘Why then does He chastise you for your sins? if what you say is true . For the father does not punish his son nor the loving his beloved; but He has punished you and therefore you are saying lies. Nay; you are mortals from among all those mortals He created you shall be rewarded as they are rewarded and you shall be requited as they are requited. He forgives him for whom He wills forgiveness and He chastises him for whom He wills’ chastisement and there can be no objection thereto. For to God belongs the kingdom of the heavens and of the earth and all that is between them; to Him is the journey’s end the final return.

Qasim6:
You think kissing or touching the stone is like a doctrine of Islam or what? It is not even a core ritual/rites of Hajj pilgrimage not to talk of doctrine of Islam. Abi what makes u think every Muslims that goes to hajj must want to touch or kiss the stone? I don't know why you want to make us stone worshippers so bad. The stone is a relic, the stone has been stolen in the past for over 2 decades, that did not stop Muslims from praying or going for pilgrimage.

And what do you mean by our theology has been influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions.
There is no religion that comes close to Islam in having retained the practices of its first-generation adherents. I want you to prove me wrong if there is any.

Shey the same Judeo that see mainstream trinitarian Christianity as avodah zarah, abi the Christianity that see the Judaism as anti-Christ and LIAR by your own submission. And both of you are actually correct, Judeo-Christian una.

Abeg nothing from Una two influence us.

u guys have completely modified your theology to where we dont even know what to believe about Islam anymore.

black stone is a mere stone but it can forgive sins
Allah said he's not a father and has no son, but muslims say its ok for Allah to be a father if it's simply metaphorical.
but same quran condemn christians and jews for saying they are children of Allah.
Allah said Jesus is not the Son of God and curse those who says so. Muslims say it's ok for Jesus to be son of God so long he's not God.
Muslims says bible is corrupt but Quran says otherwise, it confirms the injeel and the torah and tells jews and christians to follow the previous scriptures.
Muslims then turn around and say there's general and absolute confirmation. whatever that mean.

I even heard recently that Muhammed will seat on the throne of Allah on judgement day in a desperate bid to show Jesus sitting on the throne of God doesn't make him divine.
is that true, that Allah will stand up for Muhammed to sit on his throne.

Allah said Jesus was never crucified and Jesus disciples were believers. Muslims says it's ok for Jesus disciples to believe in the cruxifixion and resurrection of Jesus because that doesnt prove christianity.
So Jesus disiciples who are believers were preaching falsehood and Allah had no problem with that!!!

Passover and sacrificial system, the backbone of the torah was never mentioned in the Koran. if jews were to follow the torah as commanded by Allah, are they not suppose to be killing animals for forgiveness of sins? Muslims argue Jesus abrograted it, but same Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. and the tafsir mentioned the only thing Jesus changed in the torah was dietary laws.

We point out Quran contain stories from the jewish talmud and midrash that are not found in the torah, within the islamic paradigm what that mean is those stories were in the original torah given to Moses but later removed by corrupt scribes. this raise a serious preservation issue because how come the jews removed those stories from the torah but preserved it in their midrash. it makes no sense at all. why would they remove a story from the original torah but preserved same story in their talmud.

Then the issue of when was the torah corrupted and when did the corruption stop. since we have the dead sea scrolls dated 300bc to 70AD and they are exact copy of what we have today, that shows stability of the torah for over 2300 years. so when was the torah corrupted and why did the jews stop corrupting their text after 300bc.

and more interesting is the fact that we now know the torah that existed during the time of Jesus and its exactly like the one we have today. and in both gospel and Quran, Jesus confirmed the torah of his time as true. Allah taught him the same torah and he preached from it. How then can the torah be corrupt!!!! torah that Jesus held between his hand and announced its from Allah.
muslims got around this by saying Jesus merely did a general confirmation and not absolute confirmation.

But there's nothing like general or absolute confirmation in the Quran, nothing like that. Its an innovation- biddah. an attempt to compromise the ethics of the Quran.


anytime we bring up a theological issue with Islamic beliefs, muslims find a way to rationalise it by watering down interpretation of their Quran.

sincerely I dont know what to believe about the Quran anymore. it's like muslims are beginning to realise for Quran to be true, history must be false.
and since its impossible for history to be false, muslims are working hard on innovation and reinnovation to prop up their religion to harmonise with history.

jaephoenix:
We are talking about prayer here not worship or praise. Prayer. Why do Christians pray

I sincerely do hope u know prayer means any form of communication

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR NAIRALAND ATHEIST

even if u are a self professed atheist and u live abroad; I take God beg u, carry your children go church. E get why.
pls, for the sake of your kids who will go up abroad, be a cultural christian and let them grow up with sound judeo-christian traditions and value.
african values will not cut it, your kids will tell u they didn't grow up in african and the culture is not progressive. But at least, they can easily identify with judeo-christian values.

pls heed my warning, no be because of today but na for tmrw. Otherwise, u will carry seat dey watch as your male pikin profess love to a '49 yr old divorcee about to be grandmother' while her ex husband officates the wedding. That's if he didnt invite u to witness the union btw him and his gay partner.

fly wey no dey hear word, na him dey follow dead body enter grave. don't say SIRTee didn't warn u

WOMEN AND GAYS SUPPORTING ISLAM IS LIKE CHICKEN SUPPORTING TASTY FRIED CHICKEN

jaephoenix:
What do u talk about

anything to foster a healthy relationship btw father and son- honor, gratitude, praise, adoration, worship etc

In return, he affirms his faithfulness, kindness, mercy and love for us.

do u have a problem with that.

jaephoenix:
Good. So why do Christians pray

because He's our Father, and we the children love to communicate with him.

abi u no dey communicate with your own father.

mynd1:
Cowards like you can only rant only. If you be man, try in naija if them no born you alive.

your madness is limited in the north of nigeria where u have the population.

try your stupidity in the south and see how u will be dealt with possibly by your own neighbours.

if in doubt, go and pray on 3rd mainland bridge and let's see the consequence.

How about all these nonsense western countries pass strict laws prohibiting all these radicalized muslims from constituting nuisance by blocking highways when performing their daily rituals.

road is mainly for vehicular movement and not for praying, why some muslims don't understand that I will never know.

LordLicifer:
Yes, my children are born abroad and i don't believe in sky daddy you are right, but i would never allow this kinda nonsense in my house but My children might say that they are adults and they can do what they like and i am not a billionaire if i was, would never ever allow this kinda nonsense! It would be shameful to me

Just like this son of a billionaire.

dey play. everything in life is all about indoctrination and what builds the framework of your moral fibre.

is that not why I opened 2 threads on this subject matter and asked very similar question like above case, atheists started attacking me saying they don't need a God to determine their moral fibre.

why would u tell your born abroad never to marry a 49 yr old divorcee way passed her prime and already has kids- someone that has completed her family as far as she's concerned.

why will u tell your son not to marry her if he truly loves her. u guys just don't fully understand the dangerous trend u are pushing by denying a higher moral supreme authority.
the outcome go shock all of u

LordLicifer:
See as una dey criticise the guy as na una money he take marry oyibo.


What you people don't get is any wealthy african or nigerian men are never keen on marrying african women they see them as gold digging women.

Look at our african footballers and hollywood actors

Lordlucifer I hope u are not living abroad. pls I take God beg u, even if u dont believe in any form of sky daddy...
for the sake of your children living abroad, at least be a cultural christian and push them to church.
otherwise they will end up exposing u to shame u never planned for.
what u are seeing up there is unrighteousness mixed with lack of cultural wisdom.

To imagine some blacks attended that wedding is beyond embarrasing. I even heard the boy na bachelor prior to this marriage.

to our nairaland atheist living abroad, continue indoctrinating your children with godlessness.

las las, na u go chop the disgrace those godless children brings home to u.

Qasim6:
Na only God know how Una dey read this Una Bible.

Because if you read carefully, you'll know they have been preaching another gospel, another Jesus since the days of Paul's.

Galatians 1 8-9 u quoted is about some people from Jerusalem, there are good indications to suggest they are from James and the original disciples preaching another gospel that is not Paul's gospel. Or was Prophet Muhammad in Galatia in the days of Paul?

No apostle of Jesus preached another gospel. I repeat noone who saw Jesus and spoke with him preached another gospel message from what Paul preached.
No Peter, not James the brother of Jesus or John.

The only person who preached a different gospel is Muhammed.

1 Corinthian 15 also called Corinthian creed has been shown to be a message that predate Paul.

Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve.

Peter also preached the same message with Paul.

1 Peter
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

The disciples of Jesus approved Paul message and even called it scripture.

Galatians 2
7 On the contrary, the disciples recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 [b] James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. [/b]They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.

2 Peter 3
. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Instead another apostle of Jesus Christ testified and prophesied against Muhammed

1 John 2
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

So did Muhammed tell people that Jesus is not the son of God and God is not a father.
Well the disciples of Jesus called him a LIAR.

I opened nairaland today only to see one of the staunchest anti subsidy propagandist here on nairaland confessing that the abrupt removal of subsidy and floating the naira had not yielded the expected benefit. The outcome is not surprising, what is shocking is that some people actually think these policies will bring any form of magical economic prosperity be it long or short term.

Anyone with simple idea of ecomomics doesn't need any harvard degree to know sudden removal of subsidy and floating the naira simultaneously will naturally have a disastrous outcome. For a country like Nigeria that operate an open economy, those 2 factors is an invitation for mass abject poverty and astronomical rise in cost of living. well those of us with pragmatic sense were not wrong.

Good thing is our own nairaland Adam Smith pseudo economist is now swallowing his vomit by admitting removal of subsidy was a mistake and done in error.

If u know the number of times me and this guy fought here because of subsidy removal and currency devaluation. He will tell u to heavens that subsidy must go and naira must be floated, anything to do contrary is harming the economy. He even went as far as arguing govt subsidising electricity, hospitals and university is the reason why Nigeria is broke.

He will tell u Nigerians should pay 100k/month to enjoy stable electricity, ought to sell their kidney to have world class hospital treatment and pay over 5million/session for quality university education.

I once told him gradual subsidy removal is the way to go and no country fully floats his currency- not China or america. Every country introduce tools to ensure their currency is immune to unnecessary global shocks. He blocked me.

Now he's here admitting sudden removal of subsidy and floating of the naira was a bad idea.

This are they kind of people Western global leaders train and then send over to Africa as 'economic experts' who should advise our naive African leaders on economic matters. That was how they misled IBB in the 80s on naira devaluation, forced open economy and foreign debt accumulation. Nigeria never recovered from that disastrous IMF policy.

Now we can see why most African nation economy is in shambles. When your own people give u rubbish ideas to implement, who do then turn to for salvation??
Funny enough, this same people will still turn around and blame u when the so called policy they force u to implement fails. Already IMF is blaming Tinubu for the current nation's woes.

I hope those who blindly support these dubious IMF/world bank policies will eventually realize they can never bring any meaningful development for the continent.

honesttalk21:
You previously said we were done, yet you reopened the issue. So let’s settle all 3 claims: sacred, deified, or worshipped. Deut. 16:22 must establish which category it forbids. If sacred means religious significance, your Bible contains religiously significant stones. If deified means treated as a deity, show Muslims believe the Black Stone is a deity or independently forgives sins. If worshipped means directing worship to it, show where Islam commands worship or prostration to the Stone. Touching it proves none of these by itself.

we will discuss further in the future.

But u conveniently ignore the most important - veneration of the stone.

I believe your theology has been heavily influenced by judeo christian tradition. I serioulst doubt someone like u will travel to pilgrimage and kiss the stone in return for remission of sin.

and this brings me to the bigger question, why do u muslims rejects God can forgive sin thru Jesus when u believe a mere stone can be a medium of expiation of sin.
it makes absolute no sense. I am beginning to think islam has no independent theology of its own but just antagonise any christian theology even if it contradicts islam

doffman:
See this one disgracing himself online : Shioor ,

Did I ever tell you the story is not true about pre Islamic time .

No be you want to lie and portray it as if Muslims are doing the act currently .
Up till now ; you still avoid the question 🤣

Did you also believe that the story was in existence doing pre Islamic time and not current Islamic time ?

Yes or no ?


🤣

Answer that if e sure for you nah

according to the hadith it's a true story that happened during pre-islamic period.

so now that we are in islamic period, are u now saying monkeys dont stone fellow monkey for adultary anymore OR humans don't join them in stoning cheating monkeys.

which one is it

doffman:
After I have answered your questions over and over , So it is hard to explain who you worship ahaaaa. 🤣

You guys always think everyone will be a follower of liars like you Christian . You should know that we get 🧠 and we reason well; we do not follow blindly like you in Christianity .


You just said this now :

Then u asked me who do I worship. And I said YHWH.


Now , further , for you to also say this :

“Then u wanted to know if u worship Jesus Christ”

After all ; you previously in my past encounter with you before you ran away , u once supported the notion in the past that you can worship Jesus nah ; why are are u lying again now🤣. Any way, no problem o ; just don’t let me see you say you worship Jesu o .

That means you are not sure if you are worshipping Jehovah as you claimed .


Moreover , And you have been asking me several times if God has a son 🤣


I have told you repeatedly, He did not have a son and he did not ask us to worship any son . Period .
Na by force for God to have a son 🤣.
If you think I am lying give us proof that says where he said he has a son na. Period : Tuehh

Let me call honesttalk to come and help u. because I dont understand why u are ashamed of your prophet.

u are embarrassed by what your prophet said he would do if he had known Allah has a son.

I don't think I should continue asking u this question if u are not even confident of your faith as a Muslim. because all I see here is denying what your prophet openly declared.

My question is not Does Allah have a Son? I never asked u that, so why are u telling me Allah doesnt have a son.

My question is Let's say he has a Son as hypothesized in the Quran; should that Son be worshipped? Yes or No

Muhammed answered and said He will definitely worship the son of Allah.

so doffman what will u do, will u join Muhammed to worship the Son of Allah if he has one.

pls honesttalk help him to answer

I can't believe our own nairaland Adam Smith pseudo economist called nairaland1 is now eating back his vomit by admitting removal of subsidy was a mistake and done in error.

If u know the number of times me and this guy fought here because of subsidy removal and currency devaluation. He will tell u to heavens that subsidy must go and naira must be floated, anything to do contrary is harming the economy.

I once told him gradual subsidy removal is the way to go and no country fully floats his currency. Not China or america- every country introduce tools to ensure their currency is immune to unnecessary global shocks. He blocked me.

Now he's here admitting sudden removal of subsidy and floating of the naira was a bad idea.

U see this are they kind of people Westerners see and then send over to Africa as 'ecomomic experts who should advise our African leaders on economic matters'

Now we can see why most African nation economy is in shambles. When your own people give u rubbish ideas to implement, who do then turn to??
Funny enough, this same people will turn around and blame u when the so called policy they force u to implement fails.

I keep saying it, the biggest economic mistake we made as Africans is allowing our local economy be exposed to global economy without any restrain. It weakened our currency and made cost of living unnecessarily high beyond the reach of the common man.

Asia followed a different route, their protected their economy for a long time, refuse to float their currency and we can see the result today.
Cost of living is extremely cheap and standard of living is better in most Asian countries.

doffman:
SIRTee15

🤣 why are you afraid ti answer my question nah :


So now ; you have admitted that Jehovah is your God and not Jesus ; nice one, you are doing well . At least , you are being heal little by little ahaaaa.

But you have not answer it completely :

Do you worship Jesus or you worship only that your Jehovah you called father ?

Answer my question completely before I pass my judgement on you 🤣. Because I will compare you with your fellow unbelievers o .

This time , I will not allow you to run away .

🤣🤣

U are done. Completely finished. Na your ego won't allow u to admit you are done

You asked me who is my God. I answered Father.

You insisted to know who is Father. I replied YHWH.

Then u asked me who do I worship. And I said YHWH.

That is 3 questions already answered directly.

Then u wanted to know if u worship Jesus Christ.

But before I answer that question I need u to answer a simple direct question. It's only fair.

If Allah has a Son, should the son of Allah be worshipped. Yes or No.

It's a simple direct question. Over a month, u refuse to answer the question

Mohammed said he will not hesitate to bow down at the feet of Jesus and worship him if he had known he is the Son of God.

Your own prophet answered the question by saying Yes. If Allah has a Son, he will definitely worship the Son of Allah.

Now be like your prophet, and answer the simple question.

If Allah has a Son, should the son be worshipped. Yes or No.

When u answer the question, I will tell u if I worship Jesus or Not

doffman:
Ahaaaa🤣 don’t worry , I will catch you now !

Yes , the story was pre-Islamic story and it was true during pre- Islamic time

You can see , I answered you directly .

Now answer my own :

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

According to the story above , does it happened during pre Islamic period or during current Islamic practice ?

Answer direct ; no story o 🤣

Ok good. Now that u admit the story is true. Tell us how did the man know they were stoning the monkey for adultery.

Was it the monkeys that told him they were stoning because of adultery.

That it happened on pre-islamic is not the issue. The issue. That's completely irrelevant. What's important is if I become a Muslim, will I be forced to beleive the story is true.

doffman:
Ahaaaa 🤣🤣 you don’t care if the story was pre Islamic or not ? Chai

Then why are you lying and make it sound as if such act is accepted in the Islam .

This is another evidence that you lied a lot and you don’t understand things .

You will not run away seh 🤣

Next time , you will be conscious of what you bring here 🤣


When will told you guys that you don’t know anything , we did not lie nah .

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

Even with a simple English written bodly in the story that it was during pre Islamic , you still want to lie and fabricate the story ahaaaa.

Agbakooooooooo ni Christian people seh ; no wonder God is disgracing your pastors everywhere nah .

People now wise man ; you will be wise also If Allah wishes

Shioor

U don't answer questions, why?

Is the story true. That monkeys were stoning a monkey accused of adultery and aan who later became a Muslim joined them is stoning the monkey.

Is the story true? Why can't u answer.

Yes, the story is true even thought it's pre Islamic

Or

No the story is pure nonsense

Which one is it.

RandomFellow:
While the literal root of rakiba (ركب) means to ride or mount an animal, in classical Arabic literature and lexicography (such as Lane's Lexicon), "yarkabun" is a well-known idiom meaning to crowd, pack tightly, swarm, or press heavily against someone due to eagerness or overwhelming numbers.


NB: I'm not a muslim. I just enjoy literature, and try to get contexts in spoken/written words

IS THAT THE REASON THE MEN WERE NAKED? They wanted to crowd muhammed so they removed their clothes.

and why was muhammed surrounded by multiple naked men at night in the middle of nowhere. what exact message are we suppose to learn from that.
and why were they pressing their naked body on him, either mount him or crowded him.
and the hadith said muhammed was so tired by the whole ordeal he collapsed.

Godfullsam:
The guy doesn't sound like someone fighting for any mohammed.

The truth of the matter is you don't play fire and still expect it not to burn you.
Saudi is an islamic country, you don't go there to criticise mohammed and expect to escape the penalty.

Even Nigeria that is a secular country (on paper), you don't go to the far north to f*CK with mohammed and go free

Your Koran clearly told u Muslims not to insult non Muslims deity lest they insult Allah too.

Why can't u follow your own Koran. That ruling was unjust and should not stand.

And do not justify jungle justice, it's a problem everywhere that should be condemned.

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣 guy calm down . You can’t mix things together , I must exposed you seh and I will avoid any distractions ; this is what you u used to do before you will run away ahaaa.


So now ; you have admitted that Jehovah is your God and not Jesus ; nice one, you are doing well . At least , you are being heal little by little ahaaaa.

But you have not answer it completely :

Do you worship Jesus or you worship only that your Jehovah you called father ?

Answer my question completely before I pass my judgement on you 🤣. Because I will compare you with your fellow unbelievers o .


Also , you asked me this :

If Allah has a Son, should the Son of Allah be worshipped.

The answer is in your quran. answer it and I will respond to your next question.


🤣 guy , I have answered you several times nah .

Allah does not have son and he said it categorically that he did not have a son ,

As him does not have son , case is closed because he did not ask us to worship any son as he do not haste one or asked us to worship anything apart from him .


Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:3-4): "He neither begets nor is born, nor is there to Him any equivalent."


Surah Al-An'am (6:101): "Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He has not a companion and He created all things?"


Surah Maryam (19:35): "It is not befitting for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is."

Surah Taha (20:14)" It is truly I. I am Allah! There is no god worthy of worship except Me. So worship Me alone, and establish prayer for My remembrance."

As you can see he did not has a son and he said we should worship him alone .

Now ; if you think I am lying , show any verse that says Allah has a son , so simple nah 🤣🤣

Na by force to worship a son like you guys worship a creature ; Shioor tuehhh

U ARE finished. u are completely done for

if u have any iota of shame u will cover your shame and exit the thread. because there is no going forward for u.

u are stuck. I set a trap for u, and u ignorantly fell into it. There is no way u are getting out unless you concede to my belief.

Your first question was 'Who do I worship" and I replied The God called Father.

u insisted U want the personal name of my God and I replied The personal name of my God is YHWH and that is the God I worship.

Now that is 2 questions from u and answered by me. I gave u direct answer, not beating around the bush

It's only fair u answer only one question, direct question. answer the question I asked u. not the one I did not ask

If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped. U replied Allah doesn't have a Son. but that is not my question.

My question is if Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped. Yes or No.

My question cannot be called unreasonable or anti-islam because the answer is directly in the koran.

Your koran answered the question I'm asking u. why u cannot just repeat the answer already written in the koran is bewildered and beyond imagination.

Never in my life have I seen someone so ashamed of his koran like what I'm seeing here with doffman.

doffman u are finished. U have been completely destroyed. I have proven u are theologically incompetent and highly ignorant.

However, I will give u one last chance to redeem yourself. just one last chance otherwise, I will officially declare u my boy- I belted u.

u will be declared done and dusted.

Now redeem yourself. U already asked 2 question which I answered. u want to ask more but I have a right to answer one question before u proceed.

If Allah has a Son, should the Son be worshipped. doffman answer the question and redeem your image

Your may lose this argument but u will earn your respect as a true and loyal Muslim.

Now answer the question directly, If Allah has a son, should the son be worshipped.

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣 guy stop running away nah . Why are you avoiding the initial question ? Ahaaaa

You can’t quickly run and throw me another question while you ran away from my own question .

You must answer it seh and I must exposed your Yansh as I did to your fellow unbeliever :

Who is your God ?

You said you God is your father .

What is the name of your father nah 🤣🤣

Or your father don’t have name ?

You must tell us the actual name of your God as I mentioned my God name as Allah 🤣



You did not answer this with yes or no 🤣

I asked again :

Do you worship Jesus ? Yes or no

These questions is really giving you tough of time to answer because you already know that you cant say the truth nah 🤣

You must answer o .


Omo , it is so glaring you also lack comprehension; I tought you said are English teacher that undertands words ahaaaa.

You brought this :


If Allah has a son, should he be worshipped. According to surah 43.81, the answer is YES, THE SON OF ALLAH SHOULD BE WORSHIPPED



In your missionary English , does that mean Allah has a son ? 🤣🤣🤣

Yes or no ?

Shioor tuehhh


Allah has told you long blank that he did not has a son and he said we should worship him alone , so you want us to believe the God or you unbeliever that doesn’t even know his God ? 🤣🤣🤣

Guy answer my question and stop running away .

It has been long you used to be running away . This time , I will catch once and for all .

Oya answer my own question o

😂🤣😅😂🤣😅

I thought u will deny the verse. Why were u running from the verse all this while.

Finally we know if Allah has a son, the son of Allah should be worshipped.

Lobatan. End of discussion.

The painful thing is that Muhammed didn't know Allah had a son because he didn't read the injeel, otherwise he would definitely had worshipped Jesus. He was illiterate who couldn't read or write so had no idea what was written in the injeel.

Now u doffman can read the injeel and u know Jesus is the Son of God.

So my question should be according to your Koran. If Jesus is the son of God, should he be worshipped.

Yes or No.

Answer the question

dofman:
Guy stop avoiding the question nah .
How does this relate to what you said :



During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

Is Muslims still practice this act ?

Yes or no ,

If you can’t answer that mean you are a liar o


Or do you want us to be like Satan in every deeds ; no nah .

Believers anre opposite of unbelievers ; the light is different from darkness . Guy 🤣

Is this story true. Yes or no.
That's what I want to know.
I don't care if it's preislamic or not.
If I become Muslim, will I beleive monkeys were stoning another money for adultery and a man joined them in stoning.

honesttalk21:
You defined sacred on Oct 4, 10:27pm: importance or deification, something that must be treated as holy. Deification? You said nobody said it's God. Holy? In that same post you list altars, the Temple's stones and the two tablets of the Ten Commandments as ordinary stones, yet God commanded all three and they were treated as holy, so holiness alone can't be the problem banned. Nasa'i 2919 gives the same sin-erasing to the Yemeni corner, which has no Black Stone, so the reward follows the rite, not the stone. You are still unable to answer: where does the Bible name the Black Stone as the Deut 16:22 pillar, and where is a Muslim told to prostrate to it?

Forget my definition because u keep deflecting Avery example I bring.
So I want to work from your paradigm.
Define what should be considered sacred stone according to Deuteronomy 16.22

Is Yemeni corner not another stone in the kabba that if one touch it remove sin.
We still saying the same thing.
Define what should be considered a sacred stone.
because I don't understand how merely touching a stone leads to removal of sin. Pls make it make sense