honesttalk21:


Surah At-Talaq, verse 4 of the Quran addresses the issue of waiting period (iddah) for women after divorce.

Translation of the meaning of this verse is
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.

This verse is specific to the waiting period in cases of divorce and does not condone or promote any form of harm or exploitation of women.

Your major concern is about those who have not menstrated isn't It?

With regards to this the historical interpretation by classical scholars is to allow marriage with prepubescent girls, which was common in many ancient cultures. However, the consummation of marriage was generally expected to occur after the girl reached puberty. Even at that there are many "adult" women well over 30 that have terribly irregular periods. I dare say it is even genetic as I have seen this in someone about 50 and her 24 years old daughter.

In the modern context, this verse is often discussed in light of changing cultural norms and legal standards regarding the age of marriage. Many contemporary scholars emphasize the importance of physical and emotional maturity in marriage and argue that cultural practices should evolve with time while adhering to Islamic principles of justice and care.

So while this verse particularly reflects historical practices, contemporary interpretations may emphasize the need for physical and emotional maturity in marriage, considering modern understandings of human development and rights.

Note the practicalities of revelation in tandem with actual realities. There were no arbitrary revelations to push for sudden apparently draconian laws.

Do not feign ignorance of the illegal abusive behind the scenes gross abuse of minor girls worldwide nor regard this sentence as a form of justification.

u talk too much
why should Quran be asking prepubescent girls to wait for 3 months b4 being kicked out of their husband house if there was no prior sex.
the iddah was set up to prevent a woman leaving her failed marriage with pregnancy.
can a woman be pregnant without sex?
So obviously the husband has been sleeping with the young girl for Allah to say she must wait 3 months just to r/o pregnancy b4 leaving her husband house

honesttalk21:


Did the marriage not follow from divorce?

Do you also say divorcees shouldn't remarry?

Is the axiom not about marrying the divorced wife of an adopted son?

The point is no matter human sentiment or emotions an adopted child can never equal biological. Therein is the lesson

If I may ask should we continue in ungodly activities because of an attachment to culture?

How is adoption ungodly. who made it ungodly.

AntiChristian:


My question is if Jesus talks to you or devil in Jesus's coat how will you differentiate?

And did Jesus ever tell you he will come talk to anyone or just send your holy spirit?

Show us from your Bible?

How did Muhammed know that the person who appeared to him was an angel and not a demon.

In Christianity we test all spirit by the scripture. The spirit of God will not go against the word of God.

AntiChristian:


Luke wrote his gospel according Paul!

I don't accept anything on your Bible!

As all of the authors are fictitious and can't be readily confirmed or authenticated!

Since u admit that Luke wrote the gospel according to Luke.
what are his sources? Did he tell us his sources?
Did he mention Paul as one of his sources?

Qasim6:


"Allah bringing forth a son" what does that even mean.?
It will still go back to Allah willing this son into existence which simply means creating a son, how is that son different from all of his other creations?
God is telling us the Idea of him having a son is beneath him.

The only way there can be that special son you are thinking about is if we have a man God and a woman God and they procreate to give us a son God. Anything short of that you are just a creation of God.

The Idea that God is omnipotent exclude things that are beneath him
God cannot become a man
God cannot cease to exist
God cannot have a son
God cannot lie
Things like these are beneath God.

u still dont get, u are even making things worse for your Allah.
In today's modern world, u dont need a partner to have a child. Human genetic cloning has made such concept a possibility.
They now grow human embryo and zygote in the lab from just one person NOT two. We had the first human clone few years ago in china!!!
The reason it's not common is because of ethical issues, the technology is there.
How come Allah didnt know of cloning when he was dictating the Quran to muhammed.
If humans can generate another human from within him, what stop almighty Allah from doing the same. How come he didnt know that was a possibility.
Sorry but looks like a serious knowledge deficit on the part of Allah which shows he's NOT ALL KNOWING.

AntiChristian:


Did you mention menopausal woman?

Didn't you mention wound?

Show us where you saw wound or injury for both menopausal and prepubescent girls?

are u suffering from cognitive dissonance. I'm asking u about prepubescent girls, what's my business with menopausal women.
What's a girl too young to menstruate doing with a matured adult male in the other room?

Qasim6:


It is permissible to give young girls in marriage in Islam, and that has always been the case every where in the world.

But if the girl is not matured yet for intercourse, be it she is yet to see her period or not ready physically then it is not permissible for her guardian to give her to her husband till she's able for it. as we see in the case of the prophet marriage with Aisha.

So Qur'an 65:4 that you are alluding to is not talking about prepubescent girls. because even if they have been married, they have no business in the man household as of yet.

There are cases of Women that have matured physically and in age but never see their period a condition known as Amenorrhea. are these women not deserve to be married ?.
So that verse is clearly describing women that are advanced in age, they are matured physically but they never see their period. Because prepubescent married girl wouldn't even be in the man household for a start.

I keep saying it Modern enlightened Muslims are becoming ashamed of their Quran that in the near future they will pioneer the effort to reinterpret the book by writing their own tafsir and hadiths.
I can bet that Qasim has never met an 18 year old girl with primary ammenorrhea in his life- that's because they are so rare.
By age 16, 99.99% of all teenage girls would have attained menarche. Yet he's hanging his hope on a select group of extremely rare girls to safe his book from embarrassment.
well lets see what the TAFSIR OF THE VERSE HAS TO SAY

Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. see 2:228 The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying;

Qasim and Honesttalk will come here now and argue Ibn Kathir is on his own and didn't speak for Muhammed. so let me bring another great Islamic scholar and what he said about the verse....

Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.


Even Jalalayn talk him own.....

Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter.

Now Qasim, I will ask YOU the question again....IS SEX WITH A PREPUBESCENT GIRL A SIN ACCORDING TO THE QURAN?
honesttalk, u can help your brother answer the question.

I wont bother calling AntiChristian or Abutwin, those ones no kuku get shame...they will say anything to cover up the Quran even if it doesnt make sense. Their conscience is long dead.

Qasim6:

So what is the Objective morality of God in Christainity concerning marriageable age for girls? and what has it been over the centuries?
Did the early church fathers not talk about it at all?
Because I really want to know your take with the way you guys are always quick to play this pedophile card against Islam and our Prophet.

Marriage is for adult women.
read proverbs 31. 10-31. That's the expectation for a wife in the bible.
If u think a prepubescent girl can meet those expectation, then I dont think we should be having this discussion in the first place.

Qasim6:




Just so you know, the gospel of Matthew they used is not the same as the one we have now o
The one they used was written in Hebrew and it was described in way that it is different from the forged one we have now.

How do U know what's in the Hebrew Mathew gospel. Do I have it's contents.
What we know is that it contains the logia of Jesus.
And Didache - a eucharist used by Jewish Christians in the first century has lots of passages on the logia of Jesus from the gospel of Mathew we have today.
In fact U will think Didache is a repetition of the Mathew gospel.
.and FYI- Didache was believed to have been written in the 50- 70AD.

Qasim6:


No, I don't believe that

Why do you think the word Lord automatically means Jesus ?

because Lord in Christianity is always used for Jesus Christ. God is used for Father.

If U disagree pls bring counter evidence otherwise rest.

Qasim6:



Even if the Ebionites believed in death and resurrection of Jesus, they did not see it as vicarious atonement. Because they continue to follow the law and Paul was apostate to them. In my book they are Muslims of their time.

Antichristian and honesttalk do U agree with him?
Qasim is calling Ebionites Muslims.
People who believed in the death and resssurection of Jesus can be called Muslims.
I thought the Qur'an is the eternal word of God, So U mean the definition of Muslim was different during the time of Jesus.
So are U saying during the time of Jesus, someone who believed in the death and resssurection of Jesus, who also believed Jesus is the adopted Son of God can be called a Muslim?
what then is the usefulness of the injil that Jesus brought if this heresy abound amongst true Muslims believers who were followers of Isa.
What exactly did Isa taught? If Isa didn't teach that he's the adopted Son of God, where did the ebionites muslims learn it from? Who taught them?

Me I don't understand again, because what Qasim is arguing here is really confusing.
AntiChristian and honesttalk pls clarify.

Qasim6:


You thrashed nothing bro, you are just deceiving yourself.

Let's go to the gospel of John where the term was used extensively.

In John 10:30 where Jesus was reported to have said "I and the Father are one" and the Jews tried to stone him he said to them “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” they said he claimed to be God and Jesus responded back that is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’? That he is only claiming to be Son of God.

Why did Jesus used that to debunk their claim of blasphemy? Was he using what they would have considered to be blasphemous title to refute their accusation of blasphemy?

And Why did they not accused him of blasphemy for calling himself son of God if what they believed that meant was he's claiming to be divine?

That verse U quoted has nothing to do with Jesus being the Son of God. The verse is about Jesus being God.

Let's see what Jesus himself said about being the Son of God. Directly from his mouth not some illogical or wuruwuru deduction.
Mark 14

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

In case U not aware, Jesus' statement as the Son of Man coming from the clouds is a reference to Daniel 7.13
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence
That was why the high Priest shouted blasphemy.

Qasim6:


You thrashed nothing bro, you are just deceiving yourself.
.

Ok, I have heard U.
I sha know it's impossible for me to ignore evidence and be accepting illogical claims from someone who haven't brought one single evidence since this argument began.

Son of God as divine in the dead sea scrolls text.

AntiChristian:


Yes i am OK. You are the one with the half truth called lies! The Qur'an refers to those who are not doing menstruation and this includes menopausal ladies.



You lack knowledge as the Iddah (waiting period) is for all women who are divorced or widowed! This is why i say you guys just lie you have holy spirit that guides you! Does Holy spirit guide you to form all these lies now?



Where is the wound coming from to the menopausal women?

Oga explain the highlighteg to me.
Those I highlighted....who are they?
Remember U brought the evidence, so explain the evidence U brought with your own hands.

AntiChristian:


You should quote the verse?

If you quote Paul's secretary Luke then of course you are still quoting Paul!

What Jesus said according to Matthew was for the worker is worthy of his provisions!

Provisions is not wages!

It's either you fault one of the verses or accept them as a contradiction!

So U accept Luke wrote the gospel according to Luke?
So U accept the gospel of Luke has a known author and not anonymous.

AntiChristian:


How will Allah respond?

Who are you for him to respond?

Allah has given us what we need to enter Paradise and also state what the opposite.
His speech is sufficient in the Qur'an and Sunnah!

So of what use is what you ask?

Now in this nairaland you've made several obvious mistakes some big and others small. Yet you'll always claim holy spirit is with you but you still make mistakes!

So Allah no longer talks to anybody?
Are U saying Allah has gone dumb on everybody since the death of Muhammed.
Is that what U saying ?

I can't remember making any mistakes against U. Never.
But I know U have been caught lying multiple times on nairaland.
U even lied yesterday!!!

AntiChristian:


How will Allah respond?

Who are you for him to respond?

Allah has given us what we need to enter Paradise and also state what the opposite.
His speech is sufficient in the Qur'an and Sunnah!

So of what use is what you ask?

Now in this nairaland you've made several obvious mistakes some big and others small. Yet you'll always claim holy spirit is with you but you still make mistakes!

So Allah no longer talks to anybody?

I can't remember making any mistakes against U. Never.
But I know U have been caught lying multiple times on nairaland.
U even lied yesterday!!!

Qasim6:


No, I don't believe that

Why do you think the word Lord automatically means Jesus ?

Then bring me what they said.
Since U reject what was written about them by Christians, bring me what U know about them from non Christian sources.

Qasim6:


So??
You are still letting this Christianity understanding of the term "son of God" get in your head.

I also believe Jesus is son of God the way the Jews would have understood the term in the first century or how Jesus followers would have understood it while he was walking on this earth.

What we can gather about what the Ebionites believed are brought to us by their opponents i.e the gentile Christians i.e the Pauline Christians, For some reason we don't know non of their writings survive. So we can not say their opponent present them accurately.

Just so you know, the gospel of Matthew they used is not the same as the one we have now o
The one they used was written in Hebrew and it was described in way that it is different from the forged one we have now.

So what do you mean they can't be called believers by the Qur'an?

Jesus being the Son of God has been thrashed. U failed to bring one single evidence in that debate.
Jews believed in a Son of God that's divine.


So Is there a Jesus being the Son of God that's accepted in the Quran?
Was Jesus crucified, died and resurrected according to the Qur'an.
Ebionites believed in the above so they can't be Muslims.

Stop all these deflecting choose and pick argument U like to do.
How did U get to know about the ebionites...
Was it not thru the writings of the early church fathers.
They left nothing behind for us to know who they were. Everything we know was from the church fathers.
So why do U want to choose and pick what to believe from those who wrote about them when U know nothing about the ebionites without these Christian documents.

Qasim6:


So??

We Muslims believe in 2nd coming of Christ and resurrection of the dead in flesh too

The back story to that was that prior to their resurfacing, there had been argument among Christians wether there is going to be resurrection of body in the last day and they saw them as a proof.

Do U believe Jesus is the one that will resurrect the dead bodies because that's what the 7 sleepers believed.


And then Maximilian said to him: “Believe us, for in truth Our Lord has raised us before the day of the great resurrection. And so that you might believe firmly in the resurrection of the dead, verily we are raised as you see, and live. And like the child is in the womb of his mother without feeling harm or hurt, in the same wise we have been living and sleeping, lying here without feeling anything.”

And after giving this witness, they inclined their heads to the earth, and gave up their spirits at the command of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and so died.

Qasim6:


What exactly are you working? What do you mean no Christian sect ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet all his life?

The Ebionites which scholars believed to have held a view closer to that of the original Apostles believed Jesus was a mere man, a prophet, they denied his divinity and pre-existence. So what are you talking about?

Ebionites believed Jesus was adopted as Son of God at his baptism, then became the Messiah in order to fulfil the scriptures.
Ebionites believed Jesus was crucified, died a martyr and resurrected in a spiritual body.
Yes the rejected divine birth of Jesus and followed the gospel of Matthew as the scripture.
They also believed he was the prophet spoke about by Moses.
So they cannot be called believers according to the Qur'an. Try harder.

I repeat, no gnostic Christian ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet throughout his life time. There's always an elevation along the way- either in his life or death.

AntiChristian:


The fact that it is permissible to marry a young girl does not mean that it is permissible to have intercourse with her; rather that should not be done until she is able for it. I never used those word you created in bold! Stop telling lies on me o!

It was related on the authority of Abu Sa’id Sa’d bin Malik bin Sinan al-Khudri (RadhiyAllahu ‘anhu) that the Messenger of Allah (SallaAllahu ‘alayhi wasallam) said:

“There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm”

ARE U OK?
if the husband is not harming the little girl, why did your Quran say men should wait 3 months b4 divorcing a prepubescent girl.
If the husband is not wounding the poor girl in the other room, why would your Allah say the husband should wait 3 months and be sure the girl is not pregnant b4 kicking her out of his house.
answer my question.

Qasim6:


That's a beautiful spin.
Same David that was anointed by Samuel (another Prophet)?
Same David that God said he will appoint to be his firstborn, and the most exalted of the kings of the earth in Psalm 89:27?

I dont understand your problem with David having favour with God
Yes he sinned but he realised his mistake and repented, he asked God for forgiveness and he was he forgiven.
so what's the issue.
God forgives your iniquity no matter how dirty, just dont expect him to lift the consequence of your sin just because he forgave your iniquity.
For as many he loves, he chastise.
That's the lesson in the story of David and bathsheba.

Qasim6:

What you guys don't realise is you can not have the Bible as scripture and have the audacity to open your mouth to attack the Qur'an on moral grounds or any other ground for that matter.

The scripture is God inspired and useful for rebuke, correction, training and teaching for righteousness. Not everything in the bible is for us to follow. some were written for us to learn from such mistake.

[quote author=Qasim6 post=131832999]
This can easily be thrown back at you.
Abraham marrying his half sister, Jacob marrying two sisters at the same time. Lot sleeping with his daughter. I'm not sure a lot of people in Africa would be very comfortable with these as well or what do you think?

But u dont see Christians defending it as right. That Jacob or Lot did it doesnt make it right.
Mosaic law clearly forbid incestious union or intimacy and drew a clear line regarding this things- read the book of Leviticus.

Qasim6:

Don't tell me you don't know there are early Christianity sects like the Basilidians that rejected the crucifixion. Basilides claimed to have been taught his doctrines by Glaucus, a disciple of Apostle Peter.

So are u claiming these 7 sleepers were basilideans? Is that what u saying? because basilideans believe Jesus was a sinner who had his sin washed away at baptism and then became first born of God.
Look here if u want to appeal to Gnosticism to argue your case, then u need to find one whose believe align with the beliefs in the the Quran.
I asked about their believes because the Quran called them believers, and no Christian sect - gnostic or not shared same belief about Jesus as written in the Quran.
No christian sect ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet all through his life. There is always a variation in the transformational change in the person of Jesus that made him a saviour or elevated towards divinity amongst the gnostic sect.

That's why I'm asking u what is the believe of these men in the caves the Quran call beleivers.

Qasim6:

And I am of the opinion the original Apostles did not teach a crucified Jesus. Because we know they (especially James) were the enemies of Paul.
And we see Paul scolding the Galatians in one of his letters

"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified."

We know James sent men to the Galatians to correct Paul false teachings.
Who do you think was bewitching the Galatians to think otherwise about the crucifixion?

I already debunked these your lies in previous argument, your response was the typical denial of Muslims polemics when they are cornered with irrefutable facts- deny the book and start shouting its corrupt, which is what u did with the book of Acts claiming its as pro Paul; not minding your hypocritical self first quoted from the book of acts initially to argue your case agiainst Paul!!!
Good thing is I have dislocated your thought process from ever quoting from that book again to defend your lies.


first and foremost, lets make something clear.
Other apostles of Jesus preached about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Peter and John wrote about it.
1 peter 1.3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

1 John 2
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Even Peter agreed with the message and letters of Paul and called it scriptures.

2 Peter 3
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Paul himself wrote that he consulted with the Peter and James and presented his gospel before them for confirmation and verification.

Galatian 1
18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.
Galatian 2
I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

Paul also wrote that the first gospel message he received about Christ was from James and the church leaders!!!
1 Corinthians 15
For the gospel I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

above passage is called the Corinthians creed, a creed formulated by the apostles within 5 years of the death of Christ. So how can u say the apostles didnt teach the death and resurrection of Christ!!!


regarding Paul's conflict with other apostles- that has to do with his personality
Paul had a choleric personality and he's strongly opiniated. choleric are very firm and resolute about their opinion, and that's why people who dont understand then call them difficult.
For example, Paul disagreed with Barnabas on Mark in the book of acts when they were to embark on their 2nd missionary journey. Paul felt Mark didnt deserve a 2nd chance, Barnabas thought otherwise. They couldnt resolve the issue and had to split on the 2nd missionary journey.
Eventually Barnabas was proved right because Mark was very useful not only to the work of God- he wrote the gospelof Mark, but also to Paul himself- he was with Paul in his last days.
Does that doesnt mean Paul 2nd missionary journey was false? No, instead it was a huge success. This 2nd mission enabled him penetrate deep into asia minor and for the first time, the message of Christ reached Europe. Most of Paul's letters were to churches he established in the 2nd journey.
Yes Paul choleric personality frequently put him at logger heads with other apostles on matters of doctrine but NEVER on the core belief of the FAITH.

Qasim6:

So there are early Christ followers that did not believe the crucifixion. The companions of the cave could easily have been a follower of any of those sects.

Above is a lie.
The 7 Christians believed in the 2nd coming of CHRIST AND RESSURECTION OF THE DEAD IN FLESH.
And then Maximilian said to him: “Believe us, for in truth Our Lord has raised us before the day of the great resurrection. And so that you might believe firmly in the resurrection of the dead, verily we are raised as you see, and live. And like the child is in the womb of his mother without feeling harm or hurt, in the same wise we have been living and sleeping, lying here without feeling anything.”

And after giving this witness, they inclined their heads to the earth, and gave up their spirits at the command of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and so died.

So I asked again, if u are saying these men are Christians and the Quran calls them believers....what is their believe?

Qasim6:

God owns everything.
the sinner, the righteous, Satan, Jesus, Muhammad. All the planets. Everything and anything we can think of. So why is God going to need a Son?

U didn't answer my question. We know Allah claimed he's omnipotent and omniscience, but we need to put the claim to test to prove its credibility.
claim is not enough, the evidence backing up such claim should never be in doubt
But Allah's thinking is depicting him as he's dependent on another existence if he decides to have a son, that's the issue.
Why should Allah's ability to bring forth a son be dependent on another being if he's all powerful.
we know Allah will never have a son, but if he decides to have one, he still cannot do it; because he has no compatible spouse that WILL HELP HIM BRING FORTH THE SON.
Above is the crux of the matter.
If Allah is all powerful, why should he think he needs help from another existence to produce a son. Why is he incapable of bringing forth a Son by himself.

Note this are hypothetical statement made by Allah himself in the Quran, so dont bring up the issue of debating theoretical impossibilities.

Qasim6:

No, it is a sin to have sex with young girls that are yet to reach puberty.

so if sleeping with a prepubescent girl is a sin, then explain why the Quran writes that husband should wait 3 months before divorcing their prepubescent wives.
If the husband is not sleeping with his prepubescent girl, why would he have to wait 3 months to be sure she's not pregnant b4 divorcing her.

Qasim6:

Would you consider having sexual relations with a girl of 17 in a country like France and the likes that have the age of consent as 16 a paedophilia act?

What was Christianity age of consent in the 2nd century?

irrelevant to the discussion here. The issue here is objective morality which can only come from God.
humans are free to shift the age of consent as they like. Even if they move it to 2yrs, it doesnt change the objective morality from God.
That's why I asked u, is pedophilia a sin in Islam?

CyrusVI:
The guy is one of the few world leaders i would like to model my life after

I heard you cant mock him via the Social Media, neither can u attack him at all

XI Jinping, My Hero. I like Dictators and Autocrats. I would like to be one


Gidgiddy and those Obidient group were telling us Tinubu isnt well-rated in the International community...

How come Jinping is willing to seal deals with him

U like him not because he's a dictator or doesn't tolerate abuse BUT because he got it right.
China is a marvel under his reign, it just keeps soaring high and can't be stopped.
The way it is now, it will cost America and it's allies 20 yrs of extreme hard work, brutal austerity measures, significant patriotic sacrifice and unrivalled disruptive innovation to beat china.
For now and into the far future, china cannot be stopped.

A leader that can provide this for his people would be loved and adored. Be it democracy or authoritarian.

We have so many dictators in Africa and they are nothing to write home about.

AntiChristian:
The title of the thread is about wages not feeding abeg face front!



You still refuse to explain how wages became food?

See the humor now?

Busted lying syndicates!

Let me drag your trouble small.

Jesus clearly state the worker deserves his wages in the gospel.

“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

Whether U believe it or not is not my business.

AntiChristian:


Who you be?

Abeg! Face front!

I won't let U run away from that question.

Can anybody after Muhammed ask Allah if Muhammed is a true prophet
Will Allah respond?

AntiChristian:


He talks to whoever He wills to talk to!

So can Allah talk to me if he wants to?
Can Allah reveal to me that Muhammed is actually a true Prophet outside of the Qur'an?

AntiChristian:


Who told you he no longer talks?

This is the height of foolishness and dumbness!

Talk to who?
Who does Allah talk to now?

AntiChristian:


You are all the same breed of Christian liars!

This is the humor below!

LUKE 10:5-7
“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

vs

Matthew 10: 8-10
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. Do not carry any gold or silver or copper in your belts. Take no bag for the road, or second tunic, or sandals, or staff; for the worker is worthy of his provisions

Luke says "For the worker deserves his wages" as he got from Paul!

Matthew says "For the worker is worthy of his provisions (food)"!

Humor me how wages became food?

Clown....🤣😂🤣😂
So U finally admit they deserve to be fed and hosted. I thought initially U were yapping everything must be free when preaching......

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep.

9 “Don’t take any money in your money belts—no gold, silver, or even copper coins. 10 Don’t carry a traveler’s bag with a change of clothes and sandals or even a walking stick. Don’t hesitate to accept hospitality, because those who work deserve to be fed.

Mathew has spoken, Luke has spoken
Paul has spoken.

A worker for the Lord deserves hospitality and care from those they serve.

If U like do further somersault, that's your headache.
U will soon start hallucinating about Paul like your prophet did with his wives.

AntiChristian:


Show me how it is harmful when your God did it?

Stick to topic?
I can't find it in my bible that God had sex with a woman not alone a child.
Besides it doesn't matter who did it.

My question is clear, Is having sex with a prepubescent girl harmful.

Is having sex with a child harmful to the girl?

Qasim6:


Do you have problem with God for him not to have stripped David off his Prophethood and kingship for committing adultery and murder? Because I know you will agree with me that most African culture shun at adultery and murder and in a working African community any leader that commited such crimes would have been stripped off of his leadership role.

At the time of the kings, the nation of Israel was no longer a theocracy. The people had rejected God as their head of state and demanded for a king.
God warned them of the consequences but Israelites insisted for a king.
So affairs of the nation was no longer directly in God's hand, the Israelites managed their nation as they deem fit.
If they were happy with a murderer and an adulterer as king, that's their choice.
remember when God rejected Saul as king, he continued to be king of Israel until he was killed in battle.
When God anointed David as king, he wasn't king until may years later when the people finally accepted him after a civil war against Saul's son.
The people decide what they wanted.

Qasim6:

Yeah, tongues will wag. But at the end of the day it is a relationship that is permissible in Islam, We can't be wiser than God that permits the relationship. And if you do it without committing adultery with the lady or murdering your adoptive son and not causing their separation by instigating problem between them, then you have no sin in the sight of Allah.

That's fine, no problem. It's your religion.
But it only shows most african culture have better moral values and uphold higher moral standard than the Quran.
u may protest it but It's what it is. Fact dont lie.
A lot of people in Africa will be very uncomfortable with the idea of a man getting married to someone he previously called 'my daughter in law' and who called him father.

Qasim6:

Yeah, Qur'an is a revelation from God of the universe, and Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet of that God. It's ok if Aisha was Jealous, it's a normal thing, She's just being a woman. You can't interpret that as she doubting the prophet hood of her husband.

That hadith didnt say anything about Aisha being jealous, that's a misinterpretation of the hadith by modern muslims.

Qasim6:

The men are some early Christians they happened to have lived during the time of one of the Roman persecutions, they were trying to hide out in the cave and God caused them to sleep for 300 years and they woke up at a time when Christianity had became the religion of the Roman empire. Many historical Christian documents attested to that, they are venerated in some number of churches.
But I trust you to go the way of secular historians that will treat the story as legend and myth. you have done it before, I won't be surprised if you do it again.

Forget about the myth/legend part, I'm not talking about that this time.
since u admitted they were christians and the Quran call them believers- what was their beleive.
As christians what did they beleive in?
Did they beleive Jesus died for their sins? Did they believe Jesus was crucified, died and rose on the 3rd day.

Qasim6:

Allah is all knowing, all powerful and his knowledge is everywhere.

If Allah is all powerful, why does he think he need a partner if he wants to have a Son.
If he's all knowing, how come he didnt know its possible to have a son without the need for a partner.

surah 6.101
[He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

Qasim6:

Having sex with prepubescent girl is a sin in Islam.

I think u may want review your answer again. I already asked Antichristian and he said having sex with a prepubescent girl in Islam is not a sin.

dominique:
This guy still dey Nigeria? I thought they said America does not joke with their citizens abroad. I expect their troops to have invaded Nigeria by now with bombs and nukes to rescue one of theirs

HE's not white, he's just american by passport.
america govt no go too send am. eventually dem go reason him matter sha

honesttalk21:


As stated in my reply.

The rules concerning marriage and family in Islam are based on biological relationships, not on adoptive ties.

No matter how much you say or document an adopted child can never be a blood relation despite emotions, sentiment or thinking.

We shouldn't seek to bring in addendums such as are women finished.

The question to first ask is why did the marriage fail in the first place? Despite a growing increase and acceptance of divorce in the world this is one of the most disliked but permissible things in the face of Allah.

It's permit stems from when it is no longer possible for the marriage to continue. Indeed there are very many marriages today that barely exist as a charade for public display. The individual torture for the married couple is unexplainable.

Then we know the general view of marrying divorcees especially in Africa. It is often disliked and frowned up.

Note the use of the word guide. It is not absolute or mandatory. Knowledge, wisdom and critical thinking is very important.

Note however that you inclusion of the phrase you presiding over the marriage is not absolute or guaranteed. Anyone can preside over the marriage more so when you are not the sole wedding officiant.

You state the verse was dropped later? I don't get you. Was it abrogated by another verse or what exactly do you mean please?

we not talking about divorce here. we talking about marrying your adopted son ex wife.
if your adopted son is getting married, U as his adopted father will approve of the marriage and help join the couples hands in marriage.
In Yoruba culture, the bride will even sit on your lap on the wedding day as sign she's now your daughter in law and part of your family.

How u find it acceptable to have sex with someone who had called u daddy and who u referred to as daughter in law is really perplexing.
Your argument of divorce having problem getting married makes no sense. There are millions of divorcee looking for new husband, how come its your daughter in law your eyes dey chook.
sorry, I dont know bout u but I find it nauseating knowing a woman previously known by someone that calls me Father.
That quran says its permissible doesnt make it right.
We have our culture b4 Islam and our culture frown at such despicable act.