AntiChristian:


How will Allah respond?

Who are you for him to respond?

Allah has given us what we need to enter Paradise and also state what the opposite.
His speech is sufficient in the Qur'an and Sunnah!

So of what use is what you ask?

Now in this nairaland you've made several obvious mistakes some big and others small. Yet you'll always claim holy spirit is with you but you still make mistakes!

So Allah no longer talks to anybody?

I can't remember making any mistakes against U. Never.
But I know U have been caught lying multiple times on nairaland.
U even lied yesterday!!!

Qasim6:


No, I don't believe that

Why do you think the word Lord automatically means Jesus ?

Then bring me what they said.
Since U reject what was written about them by Christians, bring me what U know about them from non Christian sources.

Qasim6:


So??
You are still letting this Christianity understanding of the term "son of God" get in your head.

I also believe Jesus is son of God the way the Jews would have understood the term in the first century or how Jesus followers would have understood it while he was walking on this earth.

What we can gather about what the Ebionites believed are brought to us by their opponents i.e the gentile Christians i.e the Pauline Christians, For some reason we don't know non of their writings survive. So we can not say their opponent present them accurately.

Just so you know, the gospel of Matthew they used is not the same as the one we have now o
The one they used was written in Hebrew and it was described in way that it is different from the forged one we have now.

So what do you mean they can't be called believers by the Qur'an?

Jesus being the Son of God has been thrashed. U failed to bring one single evidence in that debate.
Jews believed in a Son of God that's divine.


So Is there a Jesus being the Son of God that's accepted in the Quran?
Was Jesus crucified, died and resurrected according to the Qur'an.
Ebionites believed in the above so they can't be Muslims.

Stop all these deflecting choose and pick argument U like to do.
How did U get to know about the ebionites...
Was it not thru the writings of the early church fathers.
They left nothing behind for us to know who they were. Everything we know was from the church fathers.
So why do U want to choose and pick what to believe from those who wrote about them when U know nothing about the ebionites without these Christian documents.

Qasim6:


So??

We Muslims believe in 2nd coming of Christ and resurrection of the dead in flesh too

The back story to that was that prior to their resurfacing, there had been argument among Christians wether there is going to be resurrection of body in the last day and they saw them as a proof.

Do U believe Jesus is the one that will resurrect the dead bodies because that's what the 7 sleepers believed.


And then Maximilian said to him: “Believe us, for in truth Our Lord has raised us before the day of the great resurrection. And so that you might believe firmly in the resurrection of the dead, verily we are raised as you see, and live. And like the child is in the womb of his mother without feeling harm or hurt, in the same wise we have been living and sleeping, lying here without feeling anything.”

And after giving this witness, they inclined their heads to the earth, and gave up their spirits at the command of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and so died.

Qasim6:


What exactly are you working? What do you mean no Christian sect ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet all his life?

The Ebionites which scholars believed to have held a view closer to that of the original Apostles believed Jesus was a mere man, a prophet, they denied his divinity and pre-existence. So what are you talking about?

Ebionites believed Jesus was adopted as Son of God at his baptism, then became the Messiah in order to fulfil the scriptures.
Ebionites believed Jesus was crucified, died a martyr and resurrected in a spiritual body.
Yes the rejected divine birth of Jesus and followed the gospel of Matthew as the scripture.
They also believed he was the prophet spoke about by Moses.
So they cannot be called believers according to the Qur'an. Try harder.

I repeat, no gnostic Christian ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet throughout his life time. There's always an elevation along the way- either in his life or death.

AntiChristian:


The fact that it is permissible to marry a young girl does not mean that it is permissible to have intercourse with her; rather that should not be done until she is able for it. I never used those word you created in bold! Stop telling lies on me o!

It was related on the authority of Abu Sa’id Sa’d bin Malik bin Sinan al-Khudri (RadhiyAllahu ‘anhu) that the Messenger of Allah (SallaAllahu ‘alayhi wasallam) said:

“There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm”

ARE U OK?
if the husband is not harming the little girl, why did your Quran say men should wait 3 months b4 divorcing a prepubescent girl.
If the husband is not wounding the poor girl in the other room, why would your Allah say the husband should wait 3 months and be sure the girl is not pregnant b4 kicking her out of his house.
answer my question.

Qasim6:


That's a beautiful spin.
Same David that was anointed by Samuel (another Prophet)?
Same David that God said he will appoint to be his firstborn, and the most exalted of the kings of the earth in Psalm 89:27?

I dont understand your problem with David having favour with God
Yes he sinned but he realised his mistake and repented, he asked God for forgiveness and he was he forgiven.
so what's the issue.
God forgives your iniquity no matter how dirty, just dont expect him to lift the consequence of your sin just because he forgave your iniquity.
For as many he loves, he chastise.
That's the lesson in the story of David and bathsheba.

Qasim6:

What you guys don't realise is you can not have the Bible as scripture and have the audacity to open your mouth to attack the Qur'an on moral grounds or any other ground for that matter.

The scripture is God inspired and useful for rebuke, correction, training and teaching for righteousness. Not everything in the bible is for us to follow. some were written for us to learn from such mistake.

[quote author=Qasim6 post=131832999]
This can easily be thrown back at you.
Abraham marrying his half sister, Jacob marrying two sisters at the same time. Lot sleeping with his daughter. I'm not sure a lot of people in Africa would be very comfortable with these as well or what do you think?

But u dont see Christians defending it as right. That Jacob or Lot did it doesnt make it right.
Mosaic law clearly forbid incestious union or intimacy and drew a clear line regarding this things- read the book of Leviticus.

Qasim6:

Don't tell me you don't know there are early Christianity sects like the Basilidians that rejected the crucifixion. Basilides claimed to have been taught his doctrines by Glaucus, a disciple of Apostle Peter.

So are u claiming these 7 sleepers were basilideans? Is that what u saying? because basilideans believe Jesus was a sinner who had his sin washed away at baptism and then became first born of God.
Look here if u want to appeal to Gnosticism to argue your case, then u need to find one whose believe align with the beliefs in the the Quran.
I asked about their believes because the Quran called them believers, and no Christian sect - gnostic or not shared same belief about Jesus as written in the Quran.
No christian sect ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet all through his life. There is always a variation in the transformational change in the person of Jesus that made him a saviour or elevated towards divinity amongst the gnostic sect.

That's why I'm asking u what is the believe of these men in the caves the Quran call beleivers.

Qasim6:

And I am of the opinion the original Apostles did not teach a crucified Jesus. Because we know they (especially James) were the enemies of Paul.
And we see Paul scolding the Galatians in one of his letters

"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified."

We know James sent men to the Galatians to correct Paul false teachings.
Who do you think was bewitching the Galatians to think otherwise about the crucifixion?

I already debunked these your lies in previous argument, your response was the typical denial of Muslims polemics when they are cornered with irrefutable facts- deny the book and start shouting its corrupt, which is what u did with the book of Acts claiming its as pro Paul; not minding your hypocritical self first quoted from the book of acts initially to argue your case agiainst Paul!!!
Good thing is I have dislocated your thought process from ever quoting from that book again to defend your lies.


first and foremost, lets make something clear.
Other apostles of Jesus preached about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Peter and John wrote about it.
1 peter 1.3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

1 John 2
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Even Peter agreed with the message and letters of Paul and called it scriptures.

2 Peter 3
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Paul himself wrote that he consulted with the Peter and James and presented his gospel before them for confirmation and verification.

Galatian 1
18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.
Galatian 2
I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

Paul also wrote that the first gospel message he received about Christ was from James and the church leaders!!!
1 Corinthians 15
For the gospel I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

above passage is called the Corinthians creed, a creed formulated by the apostles within 5 years of the death of Christ. So how can u say the apostles didnt teach the death and resurrection of Christ!!!


regarding Paul's conflict with other apostles- that has to do with his personality
Paul had a choleric personality and he's strongly opiniated. choleric are very firm and resolute about their opinion, and that's why people who dont understand then call them difficult.
For example, Paul disagreed with Barnabas on Mark in the book of acts when they were to embark on their 2nd missionary journey. Paul felt Mark didnt deserve a 2nd chance, Barnabas thought otherwise. They couldnt resolve the issue and had to split on the 2nd missionary journey.
Eventually Barnabas was proved right because Mark was very useful not only to the work of God- he wrote the gospelof Mark, but also to Paul himself- he was with Paul in his last days.
Does that doesnt mean Paul 2nd missionary journey was false? No, instead it was a huge success. This 2nd mission enabled him penetrate deep into asia minor and for the first time, the message of Christ reached Europe. Most of Paul's letters were to churches he established in the 2nd journey.
Yes Paul choleric personality frequently put him at logger heads with other apostles on matters of doctrine but NEVER on the core belief of the FAITH.

Qasim6:

So there are early Christ followers that did not believe the crucifixion. The companions of the cave could easily have been a follower of any of those sects.

Above is a lie.
The 7 Christians believed in the 2nd coming of CHRIST AND RESSURECTION OF THE DEAD IN FLESH.
And then Maximilian said to him: “Believe us, for in truth Our Lord has raised us before the day of the great resurrection. And so that you might believe firmly in the resurrection of the dead, verily we are raised as you see, and live. And like the child is in the womb of his mother without feeling harm or hurt, in the same wise we have been living and sleeping, lying here without feeling anything.”

And after giving this witness, they inclined their heads to the earth, and gave up their spirits at the command of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and so died.

So I asked again, if u are saying these men are Christians and the Quran calls them believers....what is their believe?

Qasim6:

God owns everything.
the sinner, the righteous, Satan, Jesus, Muhammad. All the planets. Everything and anything we can think of. So why is God going to need a Son?

U didn't answer my question. We know Allah claimed he's omnipotent and omniscience, but we need to put the claim to test to prove its credibility.
claim is not enough, the evidence backing up such claim should never be in doubt
But Allah's thinking is depicting him as he's dependent on another existence if he decides to have a son, that's the issue.
Why should Allah's ability to bring forth a son be dependent on another being if he's all powerful.
we know Allah will never have a son, but if he decides to have one, he still cannot do it; because he has no compatible spouse that WILL HELP HIM BRING FORTH THE SON.
Above is the crux of the matter.
If Allah is all powerful, why should he think he needs help from another existence to produce a son. Why is he incapable of bringing forth a Son by himself.

Note this are hypothetical statement made by Allah himself in the Quran, so dont bring up the issue of debating theoretical impossibilities.

Qasim6:

No, it is a sin to have sex with young girls that are yet to reach puberty.

so if sleeping with a prepubescent girl is a sin, then explain why the Quran writes that husband should wait 3 months before divorcing their prepubescent wives.
If the husband is not sleeping with his prepubescent girl, why would he have to wait 3 months to be sure she's not pregnant b4 divorcing her.

Qasim6:

Would you consider having sexual relations with a girl of 17 in a country like France and the likes that have the age of consent as 16 a paedophilia act?

What was Christianity age of consent in the 2nd century?

irrelevant to the discussion here. The issue here is objective morality which can only come from God.
humans are free to shift the age of consent as they like. Even if they move it to 2yrs, it doesnt change the objective morality from God.
That's why I asked u, is pedophilia a sin in Islam?

CyrusVI:
The guy is one of the few world leaders i would like to model my life after

I heard you cant mock him via the Social Media, neither can u attack him at all

XI Jinping, My Hero. I like Dictators and Autocrats. I would like to be one


Gidgiddy and those Obidient group were telling us Tinubu isnt well-rated in the International community...

How come Jinping is willing to seal deals with him

U like him not because he's a dictator or doesn't tolerate abuse BUT because he got it right.
China is a marvel under his reign, it just keeps soaring high and can't be stopped.
The way it is now, it will cost America and it's allies 20 yrs of extreme hard work, brutal austerity measures, significant patriotic sacrifice and unrivalled disruptive innovation to beat china.
For now and into the far future, china cannot be stopped.

A leader that can provide this for his people would be loved and adored. Be it democracy or authoritarian.

We have so many dictators in Africa and they are nothing to write home about.

AntiChristian:
The title of the thread is about wages not feeding abeg face front!



You still refuse to explain how wages became food?

See the humor now?

Busted lying syndicates!

Let me drag your trouble small.

Jesus clearly state the worker deserves his wages in the gospel.

“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

Whether U believe it or not is not my business.

AntiChristian:


Who you be?

Abeg! Face front!

I won't let U run away from that question.

Can anybody after Muhammed ask Allah if Muhammed is a true prophet
Will Allah respond?

AntiChristian:


He talks to whoever He wills to talk to!

So can Allah talk to me if he wants to?
Can Allah reveal to me that Muhammed is actually a true Prophet outside of the Qur'an?

AntiChristian:


Who told you he no longer talks?

This is the height of foolishness and dumbness!

Talk to who?
Who does Allah talk to now?

AntiChristian:


You are all the same breed of Christian liars!

This is the humor below!

LUKE 10:5-7
“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

vs

Matthew 10: 8-10
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. Do not carry any gold or silver or copper in your belts. Take no bag for the road, or second tunic, or sandals, or staff; for the worker is worthy of his provisions

Luke says "For the worker deserves his wages" as he got from Paul!

Matthew says "For the worker is worthy of his provisions (food)"!

Humor me how wages became food?

Clown....🤣😂🤣😂
So U finally admit they deserve to be fed and hosted. I thought initially U were yapping everything must be free when preaching......

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep.

9 “Don’t take any money in your money belts—no gold, silver, or even copper coins. 10 Don’t carry a traveler’s bag with a change of clothes and sandals or even a walking stick. Don’t hesitate to accept hospitality, because those who work deserve to be fed.

Mathew has spoken, Luke has spoken
Paul has spoken.

A worker for the Lord deserves hospitality and care from those they serve.

If U like do further somersault, that's your headache.
U will soon start hallucinating about Paul like your prophet did with his wives.

AntiChristian:


Show me how it is harmful when your God did it?

Stick to topic?
I can't find it in my bible that God had sex with a woman not alone a child.
Besides it doesn't matter who did it.

My question is clear, Is having sex with a prepubescent girl harmful.

Is having sex with a child harmful to the girl?

Qasim6:


Do you have problem with God for him not to have stripped David off his Prophethood and kingship for committing adultery and murder? Because I know you will agree with me that most African culture shun at adultery and murder and in a working African community any leader that commited such crimes would have been stripped off of his leadership role.

At the time of the kings, the nation of Israel was no longer a theocracy. The people had rejected God as their head of state and demanded for a king.
God warned them of the consequences but Israelites insisted for a king.
So affairs of the nation was no longer directly in God's hand, the Israelites managed their nation as they deem fit.
If they were happy with a murderer and an adulterer as king, that's their choice.
remember when God rejected Saul as king, he continued to be king of Israel until he was killed in battle.
When God anointed David as king, he wasn't king until may years later when the people finally accepted him after a civil war against Saul's son.
The people decide what they wanted.

Qasim6:

Yeah, tongues will wag. But at the end of the day it is a relationship that is permissible in Islam, We can't be wiser than God that permits the relationship. And if you do it without committing adultery with the lady or murdering your adoptive son and not causing their separation by instigating problem between them, then you have no sin in the sight of Allah.

That's fine, no problem. It's your religion.
But it only shows most african culture have better moral values and uphold higher moral standard than the Quran.
u may protest it but It's what it is. Fact dont lie.
A lot of people in Africa will be very uncomfortable with the idea of a man getting married to someone he previously called 'my daughter in law' and who called him father.

Qasim6:

Yeah, Qur'an is a revelation from God of the universe, and Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet of that God. It's ok if Aisha was Jealous, it's a normal thing, She's just being a woman. You can't interpret that as she doubting the prophet hood of her husband.

That hadith didnt say anything about Aisha being jealous, that's a misinterpretation of the hadith by modern muslims.

Qasim6:

The men are some early Christians they happened to have lived during the time of one of the Roman persecutions, they were trying to hide out in the cave and God caused them to sleep for 300 years and they woke up at a time when Christianity had became the religion of the Roman empire. Many historical Christian documents attested to that, they are venerated in some number of churches.
But I trust you to go the way of secular historians that will treat the story as legend and myth. you have done it before, I won't be surprised if you do it again.

Forget about the myth/legend part, I'm not talking about that this time.
since u admitted they were christians and the Quran call them believers- what was their beleive.
As christians what did they beleive in?
Did they beleive Jesus died for their sins? Did they believe Jesus was crucified, died and rose on the 3rd day.

Qasim6:

Allah is all knowing, all powerful and his knowledge is everywhere.

If Allah is all powerful, why does he think he need a partner if he wants to have a Son.
If he's all knowing, how come he didnt know its possible to have a son without the need for a partner.

surah 6.101
[He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

Qasim6:

Having sex with prepubescent girl is a sin in Islam.

I think u may want review your answer again. I already asked Antichristian and he said having sex with a prepubescent girl in Islam is not a sin.

dominique:
This guy still dey Nigeria? I thought they said America does not joke with their citizens abroad. I expect their troops to have invaded Nigeria by now with bombs and nukes to rescue one of theirs

HE's not white, he's just american by passport.
america govt no go too send am. eventually dem go reason him matter sha

honesttalk21:


As stated in my reply.

The rules concerning marriage and family in Islam are based on biological relationships, not on adoptive ties.

No matter how much you say or document an adopted child can never be a blood relation despite emotions, sentiment or thinking.

We shouldn't seek to bring in addendums such as are women finished.

The question to first ask is why did the marriage fail in the first place? Despite a growing increase and acceptance of divorce in the world this is one of the most disliked but permissible things in the face of Allah.

It's permit stems from when it is no longer possible for the marriage to continue. Indeed there are very many marriages today that barely exist as a charade for public display. The individual torture for the married couple is unexplainable.

Then we know the general view of marrying divorcees especially in Africa. It is often disliked and frowned up.

Note the use of the word guide. It is not absolute or mandatory. Knowledge, wisdom and critical thinking is very important.

Note however that you inclusion of the phrase you presiding over the marriage is not absolute or guaranteed. Anyone can preside over the marriage more so when you are not the sole wedding officiant.

You state the verse was dropped later? I don't get you. Was it abrogated by another verse or what exactly do you mean please?

we not talking about divorce here. we talking about marrying your adopted son ex wife.
if your adopted son is getting married, U as his adopted father will approve of the marriage and help join the couples hands in marriage.
In Yoruba culture, the bride will even sit on your lap on the wedding day as sign she's now your daughter in law and part of your family.

How u find it acceptable to have sex with someone who had called u daddy and who u referred to as daughter in law is really perplexing.
Your argument of divorce having problem getting married makes no sense. There are millions of divorcee looking for new husband, how come its your daughter in law your eyes dey chook.
sorry, I dont know bout u but I find it nauseating knowing a woman previously known by someone that calls me Father.
That quran says its permissible doesnt make it right.
We have our culture b4 Islam and our culture frown at such despicable act.

AntiChristian:
of course I am.

He is Allah's last messenger and Prophet after the son of Mary.

There's no more revelation after prophethood has ceased!

You won't get to ask! Even Jesus will be questioned by Allah not to talk of your ass!

That is part of the knowledge of the unseen. Only Allah knows but what we are certain of is that the Qur'an is the final message of Allah till the day of resurrection! And Jesus will rule by it when he comes back!

So why are u here and attacking me when I said u Muslim worship a dumb Allah.
A god that no longer talks.

AntiChristian:


Compare what Luke wrote with what others wrote and see the contradiction!

Luke was Paul's person so we Sabi everything Luke wrote was from Paul.

🤣😂🤣😂 Clown
So it's no longer about what Jesus said but who wrote it!!!
Just like advocate jare said, we should only engage U when we want to humour ourselves or troll u.

AntiChristian:


Show me where pedophilia is mentioned?
Even Mary was bethrothed as a teenager to Joseph!

And it's clear the 32 virgins given to your lord in numbers 31:40 had young kids among! So was your lordship sinful for sparing virgins young kids for warriors of Israel and himself?

is paedophilia harmful to a child?
does having sex with a child harmful to her?

AntiChristian:


Where did Allah say all these specifically in the Qur'an and Sunnah?

I would like to know what verse or hadith you got all these from! 632AD

And how's your vituperations related to what the brother is saying?

ARE U OK? is muhammed not your last messenger and prophet.
can anyone else receive revelation from Allah after muhammed?
If I ask Allah, Is muhammed a true prophet? will Allah reply me?
Outside of the Quran, can Allah talk to anybody?

AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
As you go, preach this message: ‘ The kingdom of heaven is near.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.” (Matthew 10: 7- 8 )

Jesus simply forbids collecting wages for preaching the Gospel!

Paul says:
Elders who lead effectively are worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 18For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and, “The worker is worthy of his wages.” (1 Timothy 5:17-18)

Paul says in another verse:


If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much for us to reap a material harvest from you? (1 Corinthians 9 :11)

Paul's own is to collect them wages, harvest, money, Kudi, ego,... !!!

To pay wages or not to pay?

DID JESUS AGREE WITH PAUL?
YES.
DID PAUL PREACH THE SAME MESSAGE AS JESUS?
YES

LUKE 10.5
“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. 7 Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

AntiChristian:


Pedophilia is not a sin in any scripture. Only fornication and adultery is.

I guess one of your ancestors would have also been a pedophilia!

paediophilia is a sin in the bible...

Jesus said its better to kill yourself and burn in hell than commit the sin of paedophilia. That's how terrible the sin of paedophilia is.

matt 18.6
If anyone causes harm to these little ones—those who believe in me—, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

honesttalk21:


In Islam it is permissible for a man to marry the former wife of his adopted son after the divorce has taken place and her waiting period (`iddah) has concluded.

This ruling was revealed to eliminate any cultural misunderstandings and to clarify that the rules concerning marriage and family in Islam are based on biological relationships, not on adoptive ties.

That's the short straight forward answer.


Islamic doctrine (Shariah) always takes precedence over cultural practices. Islamic doctrine is derived from the Qur'an, the Sunnah (teachings and practices of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh), and other recognized sources of Islamic jurisprudence. These form the core of Islamic law and guide the beliefs, worship, and daily life of Muslims.

we are both saying the same thing, we know its ok to marry your adopted son ex wife in Islam.
But why is it moral.
does that sound normal to u? is it something u will embrace outside of islam?
a child that grew up in your home, fed and clothe him. sent him to school, helped him settle in life.
When it was time to marry, brought his wife to u as his wife and u gave your blessing. U even presided over the marriage and join their hands in marriage.
Then later on married same girl when her first marriage failed.
women don finish for this world.
common, use your sense. This isn't normal. It's wrong man.

Besides how come this verse was dropped after muhammed married his adopted son's wife and tongues started wagging
Why didnt Allah dropped the verse without any drama just like he dropped the verse on divorce? was there any drama attached to that?

Qasim6:


What exactly did David do and how was he punished?

David committed adultery and murder- He sinned and brought the wages of sin into his household.
How was he punished? - God rejected his prayer when he called on God to help him remove the burden of sin he brought into his home with his hands.

Qasim6:

No bro, adoption is not entirely illegal in Islam. They just can't take your name as surname. Make everyone bear him papa name.

The purpose of the marriage was to stressed the fact that if you are not blood related, then you are not blood related and the prophet did not sleep with Zainab while she was married to Zaid, the prophet married Zainab after they were divorced.

Yeah, so it's ok to marry the wife of someone that calls u father and u call son just because u are not related? So women have finished in your locality and the only one that entered your eye is the ex wife of your adopted son.
So u don't see anything wrong with having sex with a woman who also had sex with your adopted son- a child that grew up in your home and calls u father.
in case u dont know, that's an abimnation in most african culture. Try that in Yorubaland and see tongues wagging.
In African culture, Any child that calls u father and u call him son is as good as your child.
Go and read about Okonkwo and Ikemefuna in things fall apart.
Okonkwo was told, 'do not have a hand in that boy's death because he calls u father'.
It's a pity most african culture have better morality than what is in the Quran.

Qasim6:

And Yeah, Allah gave him permission to marry Zainab. We strongly believe the Qur'an is the word of God. Except if you can prove otherwise.

Allah didnt tell Muhammed anything. He simply followed his own covetuous desires. Muhammed turned Allah into his own errand boy that gives ayah for every Muhammed's personal problem.
Even Aisha smelled a rat and had to comment 'Seems your Lord is quick to grant u your heart desire' noticed she said your Lord and not our Lord. that shows skepticism on the part of Aisha.

and Allah being the word of God is a joke.
I took u up on it the last time but u ran away. I hope u stay longer this time.
Now I will bring 3 evidence to prove that Quran cant be from God

1. Tell me about the men in the cave in surah Al-kahf. who are they in real history?
2. Is Allah all knowing and all powerful? according to the Quran is Allah omniscient and Omnipotent?
3. Is paedophilia a sin according to the Quran? (pls dont bring up age of Aisha here- this is not about Aisha). This is about the Quran.
According to the quran, is paedophilia a sin.
In case u dont know what paedophilia is sexual intercourse btw an adult and a prepubescent girl- a girl who is yet to attain puberty.

Qasim6:


Dunce you know nothing about your Bible to be giving opinion here.

Why did Peter call him a prophet in Acts 2:30 if he was not a prophet?

David was severely punished for the shameful and criminal act. But what about Muhammed?
Muhammed sleeping with his own adopted wife's son is immoral. Even the community frowned at such. Muhammed had to produce a verse to cover his indignity.
What people dont know is that the marriage of Muhammed to zainab led to the the end of adoption in the arab community. Muhammed claimed Allah told him to marry his adopted son's wife to show people that adoption illegal.
So of all ways to prove a point, the best Allah could see is covetousness.

But who the men paying these women on onlyfans.
So a man will pay to watch a women dance and pose nude on screen?
It doesn't make sense.
As usual men are attacking the girl. Instead of attacking the men making these girls millionaires overnight.

Dogalmighty17:
To all the idiots claiming what I said is not true, a simple google search would have helped you. But no your useless christian ideologies blind you.

The same God of Israel that turned his hand against Israel when the king of Moab sacrificed his son to Molech another powerful demon. Or is that one not in the Bible too? Israel lost that battle badly because a sacrifice was made to a demon! God respected that and backed off! God respects sacrifice!

As a Christian, you can pray all you want but if the next man lives a more sacrificial life than you, you will never be above that man.

Muslims wake up very early in the morning to make prayers commanding the day. You a Christian wakes up around 6 or 7 and then you think you will be above that Muslim? How? Is it any wonder they are dominating the country?

For those disputing who Azazel is, take a look below. I hate arguing with folks who are too lazy to do proper research.

U are just being emotional. Bring facts to the table for debate not insults.

Calling someone idiots because they don't agree with U tells a lot about how U were raised.
Now tell me what Azazel means in Hebrew language.
Then tell me when that name was associated with a legendary figure?

U making up verses from your head again after U were caught out lying in Leviticus.
Once again show me where it says the hand of God was against Israel when Mesha sacrificed his eldest son to Chemosh.
So we don't waste our time, here is the verse.

Dogalmighty17:


Leviticus 16:10
9 And the goat which is marked out for the Lord, let Aaron give for a sin-offering. 10 But the goat for Azazel is to be placed living before the Lord, for the taking away of sin, that it may be sent away.

Satisfied?

Is that Joshua? Or Aaron...
Azazel is the name of a mountain in Judean rugged region and it's regarded by ancient Israelites as a desolate place.
In Hebrew language Azazel mean scapegoat and the 2nd goat is set off to desolation as a scapegoat (Azazel.)

Dogalmighty17:
Even God asked Joshua to give a goat to Azazel(a very wicked demon, more terrifying than Lucifer). So sacrifices to spirits aren't new.

People who don't know their bible will want argue.

Show me where Joshua gave goat to the azazel

MossadAgent:


Brazil is as GloboHomo as they get.

The West has since turned to full blown communism.

Guy relax the current President of Brazil is fiercely any west. He's one the prominent leaders pushing for the end of dollar hegemony via BRICS alternative monetary policy.

U guys just throw words around U don't even understand

MossadAgent:


It's down to losing the narrative since the advent of Social Media and smart phones.

The govts in the west are losing their vice grip on information flow and censorship.

Now citizens are questioning the official narrative and have come to see the conventional media as nothing but an extension of the govt - operation mocking bird.


The govt is rightly scared because SM and alternative need outlets have been challenging the official state narrative.

From Covid to Ukraine war to the ongoing conflict in Gaza, govt narrative has been shoved to the dustbin.

The real press as contained in the US Constitution during its drafting was the citizens right to distribute information using the printing press. There was no profession known as journalism until the mid 19th century. Journalism is a fake profession that seeks to control what the public needs to hear.

The clamping down on SM in the name of control of misinformation and hate speech is just a fancy way of censorship.

They've lost the initiative and are now using violence to take back the press.

So Brazil is now the west?