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doffman:
Both of you will be healed seh 🤣

Lobatan

How is the black stone and yemeni stone ore. did u ask them to forgive all the sins u committed and all the lies against me.
did u ask the black stone to forgive u for being ashamed of the Quran and your prophet.

Your beloved prophet said he will bow down at the feet of Jesus and worship him once he's aware Jesus the Son of God.
why are u ashamed to do the same why are u embarrassed by the words of your prophet!!!!


anyway doffman is this one true about your hadith. did your beloved prophet also said this about women and girl child.

This is the bitter truth the nonsense naija men who call themselves redpiller do not want to hear.

even abroad, where women no send your money, they will still forcefully try to use money buy women attention and love since they lack game.

But when the whole thing blow in their face, they will start crying women are gold diggers. naija men should be the last to shout redpill- their biggest desire is to be a simp to women.

I think it's high time french citizens and other white european nations accept the reality in 2026. France and europe overall is broke and cannot afford all those expensive and generous welfare system anymore.
generous pension, free and quality healthcare, free and quality education, free housing subsidy, child and family support are becoming a burden to european nations and they can no longer sustain it.
europeans can protest from now till tmrw but the truth remain cuts has to come and new adjustment has to set in
This is made worse by the fact that europe has been squeezed out of global economic opportunity/productivity. chinese control manufacturing, america controls tech. finance is now being decentralise by emerging cities such as singapore and dubai. The ridiculous tax burden is also forcing the rich to leave europe with their wealth.
africa which is meant to be the last resort of europe as a cheap place for natural resources is also rebelling against western hegemony.

Hussein035:
Victorious like Jesus that was later embarrassed on the cross yet could not help himself only for some liars to tell us he is our helper

Mancity will not win this league

what has this topic got to do with Jesus now that u had to make reference to what has nothing to do with topic of discussion.

If I make derogatory remark about your Pdf prophet, u muslims will come here and start threatening.

u people love to dish out what u cannot take forgetting u have the thinnest of skin for insult amongst all religious adherents.

looking for trouble up and down.

Qasim6:
I thought for you Trinitarians Elohim is used for the true God and not Eloah in order to foreshadow his true nature(3 persons, 1 being)
My argument is if same Elohim and not Eloah is used for someone like Moses, maybe he is part of the Godhead too?, at least the addition of Moses won't suddenly change it to polytheism.

It is not about God sharing his Glory, It's about God giving his authority to a created agent. If the Angel of the lord is God in identity, he wouldn't need the name to be placed in him, he would possess the name inherently.

In Exodus 33 2-3 God is telling Moses "I will send an angel before you" and in the same breath "I will not go up among you" this clearly indicates substitute for the direct presence of God Almighty and not glory sharing or anything. And you guys are not the only one reading the scripture, they have been reading it before the helenistic period and they did not understand those passages as 2 powers in heaven or God being multi person in unity.



If God placed his name in any messanger in other to accomplish a specific task that does not automatically make them God in identity, placing the name in them already indicate the name is not the messanger own to begin with.
The reason why I'm asking when God sent Moses as Elohim to Pharaoh does that automatically makes Moses God in identity?




In all of the NT with all those 'they worshipped him' with Jesus as the object, you only found one and that one verse still has God with the lamb such that we cannot tell who are the servants worshipping, is it God or the lamb. with the way the NT writers avoid using Latreuo for Jesus in all other places does that not implies Latreuo here is meant for God and not the Lamb?

And no that verse does not indicate any shared essence. There are other verses like Rev 3:2 that indicates the lamb has a God.


I understand trinity more than the average Christians, ask them about trinity and see them falling left and right into heresies, so don't give me that you Muslims don't understand trinity as if majority of Christians do.

My argument is if the angel is God in all aspect why deflect the sacrifice why not just accept it?
Why pray to another person in the God being when you are God yourself?

Are u saying only the father can receive burnt offerings and prayers?

Yeah, you Trinitarians are just deceiving yourselves, you guys want to eat your cake and still have it, you want to worship 3 Gods and still claim monotheist because you know the God Christianity is supposed to anchor on is one. We wouldn't count SIRTee15, Qasim, and Bayo as 1 human being but you want us to count Father, son and Spirit as 1 God being because you claim they all have the same will, but when we bring verses like Matthew 26:39 to show Jesus's will is different from God's will, you throw in another confusion aka hypostatic union (fully God and fully Man) as if that makes any sense; not all knowing and at the same time all knowing and every other contradiction that comes with that.

ok I want us to address this trinity argument. I'm going to show u most muslims including u do not understand the concept of trinity at all.
This is about trinity, not about Paul or any other christian theology. Just trinity
Let's see how much u understand trinity.

ok to start, how do u understand trinity, why do u think trinity is 3 gods.

NtoAkwaIbom:
Once person jus guide, everybody Na pest... All man wey get oil wan dey on ei own, even for Akwa Ibom here, Na so Oron dey talk say dem wan get their own state n country...

Guide oo broda man, guide, Ur circle go thin out sharp as everyman wey guide go now d think of wife then pikin, no body dey for you my friend...

Bro na so life be. And those Wey get oil, no be say dem contribute anything meaningful to the oil. Only say dem get luck oil dey their backyard.
Na so the rest become lazy and pest.

U are right, make sure u guide for this life otherwise u go chop insult tire.
This is just the beginning for Canada and Alberta yanga. Canada is not that economically strong for now and depends a lot on oil proceeds from Alberta to maintain body. This is definitely not the end of this separation noise in Alberta.

The only reason Texas is not making similar noise in America is because other states guide wella. Nobody send Texas oil money.

This should be a warning to Nigeria. The day nigerdelta see one kain Nnamdi Kanu to unite them under a strong separatism movement, that's the beginning of dooms day for Nigeria.

maasoap:
Through dreams or you normally hear voices in your head?

If u dont have anything sensible to say, dont quote me

Qasim6:
I don't think we should be arguing/having discussion in bad faith, looking for unnecessary gotcha.

I'm gone beyond arguing for bad faith or gotcha. I have taken time to study theology of Islam and I'm convinced it's a false religion. This is not out of spite or because I'm a Christian but because it's impossible for Quran to the authored by God and Islam theology cannot be reconciled with historical reality. The excuse u Muslim apologists give shows u are coping with post knowledge awareness and indirectly admitting the Quran should have reflected that knowledge.

Some things can't just be reconciled no matter how hard u guys try to crack it or explain it away.
The knowledge gap in the Quran is too loud for me just to ignore. I would be deceiving myself to beleive Quran is from God if these knowledge gaps are not convincingly reconciled

1. Allah clearly said he's not a Father to anybody and cursed those who say he's a Father. That's how much he hates that term. Yet historically God is called Father in endearing terms by both Jews and Christian. And previous scriptures show God told believers to call him Father.

2. Quran clearly denied Jesus being Son of God, that's weird because Jesus being the Messiah automatically makes him Son of God. This is according to ancient Jewish understanding of Psalm 2 where it says

He said to me, "You are my Son, today I have become your Father"

Ancient Jews believe this verse is a messianic prophecy according to the Jewish Talmud. So Jesus saying he's the Son of God is not out of place at all if he's the messiah.

This according to Jews themselves NOT Christians, messiah is meant to be the Son of God!!!!
So how can Jesus be the messiah when he's not the Son of God.

3. The core belief of xtianity wasn't addressed. Jesus being the saviour. Christian theology is centred around Jesus Christ is the messiah who has come as the saviour of the world.
Jesus being God or Trinity which Quran spent hours addressing is not key to xtianity belief at all. U can reject Trinity or deny Jesus is God and still make heaven- if u have not been properly educated on the divinity of Christ. We have unitarian xtians who reject Jesus as God and Trinity.
If Allah has no problem with me believing Jesus is my saviour and my salvation is thru him, why then do I need Muhammed!!!!!

5. Let's not get started with the injeel and the Torah. That's a whole different kettle of cankerworms.
Quran clearly told the Jews not to choose and pick what to follow about the Torah but to beleive everything in it. So if Allah is saying Jews should beleive everything in the Torah, why are Muslims saying some part of the Torah is corrupt. Is Allah not aware some part of Torah with the Jews is corrupt. Is Allah telling them to also follow those corrupts part!!!!!

Now let's talk about injeel.
According to the Quran, Jesus said someone is coming after me called Ahmad. Jesus confirmed a messenger called Ahmad is coming after him according to the Quran. This statement of Jesus should be in the injeel if we are to follow the Islamic paradigm.
The problem is none of the sect of early christians- Jewish Christians, Pauline Christians, gnostic or gentiles Christians mentioned this messenger called Ahmad who is to come after Jesus.
If Jesus actually told his disciples that a messenger is coming after him, it will be in the injeel and it's something Jesus disciples will take seriously and look forward to.
None of the disciples of Jesus ever taught that a messenger called Ahmad will come after Jesus...none.
There is no indication or evidence anywhere in early church history that shows they were waiting for a future messenger as authorised by Jesus.
None of the 5 ancient Episcopal churches established by different apostles of Christ in Rome- Peter, Antioch- Peter and Paul, Alexandra- Mark, Jerusalem- James and Constantinople - Andrew taught Jesus said a messenger is coming after him. This fact was completely oblivious to early believers yet it's suppose to be in the gospel Jesus revealed and preached.
How fast and how badly the injeel could have been so corrupted that early Christ followers had no knowledge of this vital information should be regarded as one of the biggest mystery of the Islamic Injeel.
Jesus preached he will be coming back, his disciples believed it and eagerly awaited him until their death. They never stopped believing and they preached it.
According to injeel of the Muslims, Isa preached a messenger called Ahmad will come after him. None of disciples of Jesus spoke about this person, no one waited for another messenger called Ahmad. All the ancient church writings and Gospels has no passage where Jesus said a messenger called Ahmad is coming after him. None.
Yet it's suppose to be in the injeel brought by Jesus. An injeel likely given to James the head of Jerusalem church. But we have no Jewish Christian writing telling us of this awaited messenger.
How fast the injeel was corrupted to have this important detail removed is the real abracadabra of Islamic Injeel.

Finally is the term messiah itself. It's very obvious the Quran has no clue who the messiah is and what it's meant to accomplish.
The summary of messiah expectation according to pre Christian Jewish theology are The messiah shall be king, establish the kingdom of God and reign over the kingdom, bring salvation to humanity by bringing them to the knowledge of one true God.
That's the job of the messiah when he comes.
Now if Jesus is the messiah as confirmed by the Quran, then Jesus would have brought salvation to mankind and establish the kingdom of God here on earth. So what exactly is Muhammed meant to do Duplicate the mission of the messiah??
Why is Allah sending 2 messengers for the same mission!!!!
The obvious answer is the Quran has no proper understanding of the messianic mission.
I'm sure u can appreciate my dilemma with Islam and the Quran. Unfortunately, I do not see myself believing what is glaringly a falsehood.
My rejection of Islam has absolutely nothing to do with my xtian faith. Rather it has everything to do with lack of evidence supporting Quranic or Islamic claim.

Qasim6:
There is difference between Najm(stars) Kawakib(planetary bodies) and shuhub (meteors, shooting stars) seems you are conflating them.
What is believed to be use as missles in pelting shayatin are shuhub(shooting stars) not Najm(stars)
The Qur'an described what is been use as missles as musabih(luminaries) not Najm(stars).

There are narrations where the prophet use shuhub (shooting stars) to describe what is been use in pelting shayatin. Except what you have problem with is the supernatural claim of pelting devils with shooting stars or the supernatural claim of devils eavesdropping.

Ok let's grant Quran meant meteors. Do u know what meteors are They are not light, they are space rocks. They have no light or emit any light.

They are called shooting stars because of the flash of light and glowing trail created when that space rock plunges through Earth's atmosphere and heats up from air friction (usually occurring in the mesosphere at altitudes of 76–100 km).

This happen only when they enter our atmosphere and come in contact with air pressure. This doesn't happen in space where air is very thin or nil at all. Thus they don't produce heat or emit light in space. This only happen when they enter our atmosphere.

So your Quran is still wrong calling these bland rocks constellation lamps or light because they are not.

If u want to argue for metaphor, that's fine. But I want to know the criteria used in determining when a description in the Quran is metaphor and when it's literal.
When Quran says iron fell down from the sky, is that a metaphor or literal.
When Quran says the sun sets in a muddy pond, should that be regarded as metaphor or literal.
Or Muslims first check the science books to see what makes sense in the Quran b4 applying metaphorical or scientific miracle to a verse.

Besides, pre Islamic arabic poets already wrote meteors are shooting stars thrown at shatayn to prevent him eavesdropping.
Since we now know that is wrong, why should the Quran repeat such false statements metaphorical or not. Why is Quran a book from all knowing God repeating wrong statements coming from men

Kobicove:
The main question is - Are visitors ready to pay more for tickets into the zoo?

No zoo in Nigeria can survive by charging just 500Naira

THEN THEY SHOULD SHUT IT DOWN AND RELEASE THE ANIMALS INTO THE WILD. NO ZOO THRIVES ON CUSTOMER DRIVE. MOST ARE ADJUVANTS TO RESEARCH CENTRES OR KEPT ALIVE BY GRANTS OR PHILANTHROPIC DONATIONS.

jaephoenix:
So if you ask your god,"why did my dad die?" Its a prayer?

I will only respond to u because I haven't warned u before. next time, its God and not god. I will not respond to anyone who choose to demean what I believe. ok!!!!

Yes, it's prayer. Any communication towards God is prayer. I'm even surprised u asking this. shocking u dont even know praise and worship are modes of prayer used to communicate to God.
and yet he will come here and argue he was once a xtian.

honesttalk21:
Adjourning isn't answering, and the burden stays yours. We acknowledge the Stone's veneration; prove Deut. 16:22 forbids this rite and binds Muslims. Umar, a companion of the prophet pbuh, said it can neither benefit nor harm, while Nasa'i 2919 links forgiveness to the rite, not independent power in the Stone. Allah alone forgives. Your Judeo-Christian influence claim also needs evidence well beyond your bland assertion. Be better ready when you choose to continue.

no be u, even if I bring evidence directly from Baba God, u go gree.

God says do not venerate stones, u guys venerate stones.
next thing is to try and look for partner in crime to justify your disobedience
unfortunately, there is no pillar or stone in the bible that was constantly venerated by Israelites or a stone God gave any instruction must be venerated when performing religious duty. none
The only one that would have rescued u from the paradigm of paganism is the bronze snake but was smashed to pieces when people started venerating it.

This is what God said should be done to any venerated stones found in the land.

exodus 23.24
Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces .

exodus 34.13
Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.

This is exactly what your prophet should have done because that was what hezekiah did with the bronze snake. If a king can smash to pieces a sacred pole used for miracle and salvation by Moses, Muhammed has no excuse.


He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And [b]he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, [/b]for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).

that the black stone came from the sky or built by Abraham is not sufficient ground to uphold such practice when God already banned it.

asking where God told Muslims not to venerate a stone is what we call 'exact word fallacy' and the only way u can be exhonerated is if Muhammed message IS NOT IN CONTINUITY WITH PREVIOUS PROPHET OR ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME GOD AS THE ONE THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

jaephoenix:
Any communication is a prayer? Really? So if i call my wife and we chat, its a prayer? Na who do una dis thing

Any Communication with God!!! That's prayer

Qasim6:
What is the evidence that the first creed of corinth predates Paul? Is there any external genuine document that is not Pauline that corroborate the creed predating paul?
As far as I know it's just Paul telling us he received a creed.

we have so many 1st century christian text apart from Paul and outside of the bible that confirms the cornthian creed.
epistle of barnabas, 1 Clement to the corinthians all said the same thing.
The didache described Jesus as the living sacrifice thru whom the Father gives spiritual food and drink as well as eternal life.

Qasim6:
This is what you probably don't know or you know you just don't give a damn.

The 7 genuine letters of paul are the only genuine documents we have to know what went down with the first generation of Christians. You can quote all those forged documents from now till tomorrow it changes nothing. when you are done quoting them you can go warm your eba.

muslims are interesting bunch. same scholars that told u of the 7 authentic letters are the same ones that told u the corinthian creed did not come from Paul but predate him.
But u know what.. unlike u muslims, scholars are consistent. The reason they gave that letters of timothy, titus and ephesians couldnt have been written by Paul is the exact same reason they gave that corinthins creed couldnt have come from Paul. The linguistic style and theological construction doesn't resemble Paul's tone of writing.

Qasim6:
Now let's go to Paul's letters
Paul made sure to let us know in his letters the gospel he's preaching was his personal property that he received it from no one other than the resurrected Christ.
From Pauls letters we can see there are some teachers from Jerusalem, at another time "men from James" always in his wake to correct his teachings. these teachers even had teaching license which Paul did not have. He refers to their gospel as "another gospel which is no gospel at all"
My point is there has always been another gospel floating around since the days of Paul, which Paul was addressing with his anathema and I don't understand why the Op is making Paul's anathema about prophet Muhammad that lived 600yrs later when he was not the one in Galatia correcting Paul's teachings. I know you guys are uncomfortable with the fact that Paul's curse was directed towards Jerusalem, towards Jesus own disciples, but we know who Paul was throwing jabs at and it's definitely not prophet Muhammad.

we have been thru this before and not in the mood to repeat. one of this days, I will give u guys a lecture on those jewish christians u people love so much called Judaizes and what they believe.
The way I shocked u when I brought out the ancient jewish belief on onesness of God is the way u will be shocked when I bring it up.
shebi u people love to say Judaizers were the closest early christians to Islam. don't worry he go shock u.
I will bring to u what they believed and said about Jesus, then u can compare if it fits in anyway into your rationalised and watered down Quranic narrative.
I just hope when I bring it, u wont change mouth and start condemning them like u did with ancient jews.

Qasim6:
Unfortunately for you and the author of 1 john, Islam does not deny Jesus as the Messiah, the honour of denying Jesus is exclusively reserved for your Judeo brothers.
If by Father and son you mean the Jewish understanding, God as a provider, and son a righteous/honoured servant of God, yeah we acknowledge that even though it's now abrogated for us some people already bastardised the term, it's the pagan Greco Roman understanding which Christianity adopt we reject all together.

u wont play this nonsense game with me. I dont care what u understand about the Son of God and Father. I care about what Quran says and how it was understood when your prophet revealed it.
show me a clear verse in the Quran where Allah was fully aware it was ok in the past to call him Father. I want u to bring me a verse just like the verse where God says 'no longer call me baal but husband'. Show me where Allah said in the past it was ok to call me Ftaher but not anymore. That's what I want to see otherwise all your shalaye na innovation- biddah

The Quran clearly shows Allah as bewildered as to why people call him Father when he has no son. He even condemned christians and jews who call themselves children of God when it is pure metaphorical. so how come its ok to be called son of God metaphorically when Allah punished those who use it in such way.

even your tafsir rejected the idea that Allah can be called Father in a metaphorical manner. It took jews and christians who converted to Islam to reexplain how its used in those religions, something Allah never explained.

5.18 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(The Jews) the Jews of Medina (and Christians) the Christians of Najran (say: We are sons of Allah) we are the sons and prophets of Allah (and His loved ones) who follow His religion; it is also said that this means: we follow Allah's religion as if we were His sons and loved ones; and it is said that this means: we are to Allah like His sons and we are followers of His religion. (Say) to the Jews, O Muhammad; (Why then doth He chastise you for your sins) due to worshipping the calf for 40 days, if you are like sons to Him; have you ever seen a father torturing his sons with fire? (Nay, ye are but mortals) created servants (of His creating) like all His other created beings.

5.18 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
The Jews and Christians both of them say ‘We are the sons of God that is we are like his sons in terms of closeness and rank and He is like a father to us in terms of compassion and care and His beloved ones’. Say to them O Muhammad (s) ‘Why then does He chastise you for your sins? if what you say is true . For the father does not punish his son nor the loving his beloved; but He has punished you and therefore you are saying lies. Nay; you are mortals from among all those mortals He created you shall be rewarded as they are rewarded and you shall be requited as they are requited. He forgives him for whom He wills forgiveness and He chastises him for whom He wills’ chastisement and there can be no objection thereto. For to God belongs the kingdom of the heavens and of the earth and all that is between them; to Him is the journey’s end the final return.

Qasim6:
You think kissing or touching the stone is like a doctrine of Islam or what? It is not even a core ritual/rites of Hajj pilgrimage not to talk of doctrine of Islam. Abi what makes u think every Muslims that goes to hajj must want to touch or kiss the stone? I don't know why you want to make us stone worshippers so bad. The stone is a relic, the stone has been stolen in the past for over 2 decades, that did not stop Muslims from praying or going for pilgrimage.

And what do you mean by our theology has been influenced by Judeo-Christian traditions.
There is no religion that comes close to Islam in having retained the practices of its first-generation adherents. I want you to prove me wrong if there is any.

Shey the same Judeo that see mainstream trinitarian Christianity as avodah zarah, abi the Christianity that see the Judaism as anti-Christ and LIAR by your own submission. And both of you are actually correct, Judeo-Christian una.

Abeg nothing from Una two influence us.

u guys have completely modified your theology to where we dont even know what to believe about Islam anymore.

black stone is a mere stone but it can forgive sins
Allah said he's not a father and has no son, but muslims say its ok for Allah to be a father if it's simply metaphorical.
but same quran condemn christians and jews for saying they are children of Allah.
Allah said Jesus is not the Son of God and curse those who says so. Muslims say it's ok for Jesus to be son of God so long he's not God.
Muslims says bible is corrupt but Quran says otherwise, it confirms the injeel and the torah and tells jews and christians to follow the previous scriptures.
Muslims then turn around and say there's general and absolute confirmation. whatever that mean.

I even heard recently that Muhammed will seat on the throne of Allah on judgement day in a desperate bid to show Jesus sitting on the throne of God doesn't make him divine.
is that true, that Allah will stand up for Muhammed to sit on his throne.

Allah said Jesus was never crucified and Jesus disciples were believers. Muslims says it's ok for Jesus disciples to believe in the cruxifixion and resurrection of Jesus because that doesnt prove christianity.
So Jesus disiciples who are believers were preaching falsehood and Allah had no problem with that!!!

Passover and sacrificial system, the backbone of the torah was never mentioned in the Koran. if jews were to follow the torah as commanded by Allah, are they not suppose to be killing animals for forgiveness of sins? Muslims argue Jesus abrograted it, but same Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. and the tafsir mentioned the only thing Jesus changed in the torah was dietary laws.

We point out Quran contain stories from the jewish talmud and midrash that are not found in the torah, within the islamic paradigm what that mean is those stories were in the original torah given to Moses but later removed by corrupt scribes. this raise a serious preservation issue because how come the jews removed those stories from the torah but preserved it in their midrash. it makes no sense at all. why would they remove a story from the original torah but preserved same story in their talmud.

Then the issue of when was the torah corrupted and when did the corruption stop. since we have the dead sea scrolls dated 300bc to 70AD and they are exact copy of what we have today, that shows stability of the torah for over 2300 years. so when was the torah corrupted and why did the jews stop corrupting their text after 300bc.

and more interesting is the fact that we now know the torah that existed during the time of Jesus and its exactly like the one we have today. and in both gospel and Quran, Jesus confirmed the torah of his time as true. Allah taught him the same torah and he preached from it. How then can the torah be corrupt!!!! torah that Jesus held between his hand and announced its from Allah.
muslims got around this by saying Jesus merely did a general confirmation and not absolute confirmation.

But there's nothing like general or absolute confirmation in the Quran, nothing like that. Its an innovation- biddah. an attempt to compromise the ethics of the Quran.


anytime we bring up a theological issue with Islamic beliefs, muslims find a way to rationalise it by watering down interpretation of their Quran.

sincerely I dont know what to believe about the Quran anymore. it's like muslims are beginning to realise for Quran to be true, history must be false.
and since its impossible for history to be false, muslims are working hard on innovation and reinnovation to prop up their religion to harmonise with history.

jaephoenix:
We are talking about prayer here not worship or praise. Prayer. Why do Christians pray

I sincerely do hope u know prayer means any form of communication

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR NAIRALAND ATHEIST

even if u are a self professed atheist and u live abroad; I take God beg u, carry your children go church. E get why.
pls, for the sake of your kids who will go up abroad, be a cultural christian and let them grow up with sound judeo-christian traditions and value.
african values will not cut it, your kids will tell u they didn't grow up in african and the culture is not progressive. But at least, they can easily identify with judeo-christian values.

pls heed my warning, no be because of today but na for tmrw. Otherwise, u will carry seat dey watch as your male pikin profess love to a '49 yr old divorcee about to be grandmother' while her ex husband officates the wedding. That's if he didnt invite u to witness the union btw him and his gay partner.

fly wey no dey hear word, na him dey follow dead body enter grave. don't say SIRTee didn't warn u

WOMEN AND GAYS SUPPORTING ISLAM IS LIKE CHICKEN SUPPORTING TASTY FRIED CHICKEN

jaephoenix:
What do u talk about

anything to foster a healthy relationship btw father and son- honor, gratitude, praise, adoration, worship etc

In return, he affirms his faithfulness, kindness, mercy and love for us.

do u have a problem with that.

jaephoenix:
Good. So why do Christians pray

because He's our Father, and we the children love to communicate with him.

abi u no dey communicate with your own father.

mynd1:
Cowards like you can only rant only. If you be man, try in naija if them no born you alive.

your madness is limited in the north of nigeria where u have the population.

try your stupidity in the south and see how u will be dealt with possibly by your own neighbours.

if in doubt, go and pray on 3rd mainland bridge and let's see the consequence.

How about all these nonsense western countries pass strict laws prohibiting all these radicalized muslims from constituting nuisance by blocking highways when performing their daily rituals.

road is mainly for vehicular movement and not for praying, why some muslims don't understand that I will never know.

LordLicifer:
Yes, my children are born abroad and i don't believe in sky daddy you are right, but i would never allow this kinda nonsense in my house but My children might say that they are adults and they can do what they like and i am not a billionaire if i was, would never ever allow this kinda nonsense! It would be shameful to me

Just like this son of a billionaire.

dey play. everything in life is all about indoctrination and what builds the framework of your moral fibre.

is that not why I opened 2 threads on this subject matter and asked very similar question like above case, atheists started attacking me saying they don't need a God to determine their moral fibre.

why would u tell your born abroad never to marry a 49 yr old divorcee way passed her prime and already has kids- someone that has completed her family as far as she's concerned.

why will u tell your son not to marry her if he truly loves her. u guys just don't fully understand the dangerous trend u are pushing by denying a higher moral supreme authority.
the outcome go shock all of u

LordLicifer:
See as una dey criticise the guy as na una money he take marry oyibo.


What you people don't get is any wealthy african or nigerian men are never keen on marrying african women they see them as gold digging women.

Look at our african footballers and hollywood actors

Lordlucifer I hope u are not living abroad. pls I take God beg u, even if u dont believe in any form of sky daddy...
for the sake of your children living abroad, at least be a cultural christian and push them to church.
otherwise they will end up exposing u to shame u never planned for.
what u are seeing up there is unrighteousness mixed with lack of cultural wisdom.

To imagine some blacks attended that wedding is beyond embarrasing. I even heard the boy na bachelor prior to this marriage.

to our nairaland atheist living abroad, continue indoctrinating your children with godlessness.

las las, na u go chop the disgrace those godless children brings home to u.

Qasim6:
Na only God know how Una dey read this Una Bible.

Because if you read carefully, you'll know they have been preaching another gospel, another Jesus since the days of Paul's.

Galatians 1 8-9 u quoted is about some people from Jerusalem, there are good indications to suggest they are from James and the original disciples preaching another gospel that is not Paul's gospel. Or was Prophet Muhammad in Galatia in the days of Paul?

No apostle of Jesus preached another gospel. I repeat noone who saw Jesus and spoke with him preached another gospel message from what Paul preached.
No Peter, not James the brother of Jesus or John.

The only person who preached a different gospel is Muhammed.

1 Corinthian 15 also called Corinthian creed has been shown to be a message that predate Paul.

Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve.

Peter also preached the same message with Paul.

1 Peter
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

The disciples of Jesus approved Paul message and even called it scripture.

Galatians 2
7 On the contrary, the disciples recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 [b] James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. [/b]They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.

2 Peter 3
. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Instead another apostle of Jesus Christ testified and prophesied against Muhammed

1 John 2
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

So did Muhammed tell people that Jesus is not the son of God and God is not a father.
Well the disciples of Jesus called him a LIAR.

I opened nairaland today only to see one of the staunchest anti subsidy propagandist here on nairaland confessing that the abrupt removal of subsidy and floating the naira had not yielded the expected benefit. The outcome is not surprising, what is shocking is that some people actually think these policies will bring any form of magical economic prosperity be it long or short term.

Anyone with simple idea of ecomomics doesn't need any harvard degree to know sudden removal of subsidy and floating the naira simultaneously will naturally have a disastrous outcome. For a country like Nigeria that operate an open economy, those 2 factors is an invitation for mass abject poverty and astronomical rise in cost of living. well those of us with pragmatic sense were not wrong.

Good thing is our own nairaland Adam Smith pseudo economist is now swallowing his vomit by admitting removal of subsidy was a mistake and done in error.

If u know the number of times me and this guy fought here because of subsidy removal and currency devaluation. He will tell u to heavens that subsidy must go and naira must be floated, anything to do contrary is harming the economy. He even went as far as arguing govt subsidising electricity, hospitals and university is the reason why Nigeria is broke.

He will tell u Nigerians should pay 100k/month to enjoy stable electricity, ought to sell their kidney to have world class hospital treatment and pay over 5million/session for quality university education.

I once told him gradual subsidy removal is the way to go and no country fully floats his currency- not China or america. Every country introduce tools to ensure their currency is immune to unnecessary global shocks. He blocked me.

Now he's here admitting sudden removal of subsidy and floating of the naira was a bad idea.

This are they kind of people Western global leaders train and then send over to Africa as 'economic experts' who should advise our naive African leaders on economic matters. That was how they misled IBB in the 80s on naira devaluation, forced open economy and foreign debt accumulation. Nigeria never recovered from that disastrous IMF policy.

Now we can see why most African nation economy is in shambles. When your own people give u rubbish ideas to implement, who do then turn to for salvation??
Funny enough, this same people will still turn around and blame u when the so called policy they force u to implement fails. Already IMF is blaming Tinubu for the current nation's woes.

I hope those who blindly support these dubious IMF/world bank policies will eventually realize they can never bring any meaningful development for the continent.

honesttalk21:
You previously said we were done, yet you reopened the issue. So let’s settle all 3 claims: sacred, deified, or worshipped. Deut. 16:22 must establish which category it forbids. If sacred means religious significance, your Bible contains religiously significant stones. If deified means treated as a deity, show Muslims believe the Black Stone is a deity or independently forgives sins. If worshipped means directing worship to it, show where Islam commands worship or prostration to the Stone. Touching it proves none of these by itself.

we will discuss further in the future.

But u conveniently ignore the most important - veneration of the stone.

I believe your theology has been heavily influenced by judeo christian tradition. I serioulst doubt someone like u will travel to pilgrimage and kiss the stone in return for remission of sin.

and this brings me to the bigger question, why do u muslims rejects God can forgive sin thru Jesus when u believe a mere stone can be a medium of expiation of sin.
it makes absolute no sense. I am beginning to think islam has no independent theology of its own but just antagonise any christian theology even if it contradicts islam

doffman:
See this one disgracing himself online : Shioor ,

Did I ever tell you the story is not true about pre Islamic time .

No be you want to lie and portray it as if Muslims are doing the act currently .
Up till now ; you still avoid the question 🤣

Did you also believe that the story was in existence doing pre Islamic time and not current Islamic time ?

Yes or no ?


🤣

Answer that if e sure for you nah

according to the hadith it's a true story that happened during pre-islamic period.

so now that we are in islamic period, are u now saying monkeys dont stone fellow monkey for adultary anymore OR humans don't join them in stoning cheating monkeys.

which one is it

doffman:
After I have answered your questions over and over , So it is hard to explain who you worship ahaaaa. 🤣

You guys always think everyone will be a follower of liars like you Christian . You should know that we get 🧠 and we reason well; we do not follow blindly like you in Christianity .


You just said this now :

Then u asked me who do I worship. And I said YHWH.


Now , further , for you to also say this :

“Then u wanted to know if u worship Jesus Christ”

After all ; you previously in my past encounter with you before you ran away , u once supported the notion in the past that you can worship Jesus nah ; why are are u lying again now🤣. Any way, no problem o ; just don’t let me see you say you worship Jesu o .

That means you are not sure if you are worshipping Jehovah as you claimed .


Moreover , And you have been asking me several times if God has a son 🤣


I have told you repeatedly, He did not have a son and he did not ask us to worship any son . Period .
Na by force for God to have a son 🤣.
If you think I am lying give us proof that says where he said he has a son na. Period : Tuehh

Let me call honesttalk to come and help u. because I dont understand why u are ashamed of your prophet.

u are embarrassed by what your prophet said he would do if he had known Allah has a son.

I don't think I should continue asking u this question if u are not even confident of your faith as a Muslim. because all I see here is denying what your prophet openly declared.

My question is not Does Allah have a Son? I never asked u that, so why are u telling me Allah doesnt have a son.

My question is Let's say he has a Son as hypothesized in the Quran; should that Son be worshipped? Yes or No

Muhammed answered and said He will definitely worship the son of Allah.

so doffman what will u do, will u join Muhammed to worship the Son of Allah if he has one.

pls honesttalk help him to answer