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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by SIRTee15: 12:29am On Jan 13

musicwriter:
You're speaking from the point of view of today as a rigid believer and as someone who doesn't know about ancient cultures and religious scencetism.

In ancient times, religion wasn't as rigid as it is today. People often adapted to new religions and took what is necessary.

That's what Rome did.

Before Rome adopted Christianity, they already had the son of God Mithra who died and shed his blood to save humanity, had 12 disciples, died and resurrected, etc. So, Rome didn't have any problem adopting and adapting to what was deemed good in Christianity. For POLITICAL purposes, they adapted to Christianity to conquer it.

If it was possible for you to wake up the early Judean Christians from the grave, you and them would be having two different religions. They weren't even called Christians. They began to be called Christians several years later in Antioch, Turkey. This was probably a different sect on its own

I notice u are trying to push the Mithra narrative here as a copy cat of christianity. I also noticed your claim that 1st century christianity is different from the one today.
I'm not sure u have what it takes to defend your claims critically with objective evidence based on what I have read about u here. I strongly u are just another pseudo-intelligentsia who got his atheist certificate from You-tube videos that promote feel good conspiracy junks. However, I will give u benefit of doubt.

If u think christianity is an evolution of Mithra, I will like to see your evidence for this. I will also like to see your evidence that 1st century AD christians preach a different faith.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by SIRTee15: 12:19am On Jan 13*

musicwriter:
Aside the book of Mark and Revelations, the rest of the New testament are of dubious origins. I personally still think Mark is dubious.
Paul probably didn't exist and didn't write anything. The Roman empire manufactured almost everything you read and believe

So powerful Romans abandoned their own gods that gave made them a powerful empire and made them ruler of the whole world to start worshipping an invented god linked to an insignificant group of people called Jews.
So the Romans decided to elevate the God of the Jews above their own gods, yet the God of the Jews couldnt prevent the decimation of the jews themselves in the hands of the Romans.
The Romans beat the jews blue black twice- 70AD and 135AD. They sacked Jerusalem and banned the Jews from their own land. Yet Romans decided to elevate the Jewish deity that couldn't save his own worshippers from defeat and decimation. Not only that, they now decided to invent more stories about this deity, then forced their citizens to worship this strange unknown deity
pls make it make sense for me.

It's so obvious u lack knowledge and understanding of how the ancient world works. In case u dont know, ancient people abandon their own local gods to embrace 'powerful deity' if their own local gods seems too weak to save them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by SIRTee15: 12:10am On Jan 13

LordReed:
If there was an allergen I was bringing from such an interaction it could trigger it. I am totally grateful we have access to more knowledge and don't have to live according to ancient superstitions.

Christianity or any other religion without intelligence leads to superstition.
Christianity with intelligence gives us sound theology. Christ himself said a sick man needs to see a doctor.

This is what apostle Paul was trying to explain that led to him being vilified and called names. Prior to Paul's letter, belief system and traditional practice are inseparable. what u eat, drink, how u sleep, what u wear defines your belief.

Paul was the first person to declare that your faith is independent of your tradition or custom. Your faith must be separated from superstitious believes that are largely influenced by your traditions and cultural practices.

All what Paul was saying is your FAITH should be independent of the traditions of your ancestors. It's ok to follow the traditions of your ancestors such as circumcision or dietary rules BUT those things should not define your faith because those traditions are filled with elements of superstition that beclouds the sense of rational judgement.

In the old testament, God instructed women on their periods and people with open sores not to visit the temple. There's a reason for that- it's called public hygiene.
why should we continue such practice now when wound care has improved and most women have no issue with personal hygiene during period. so why should we continue to say women on their period shouldn't come to place of worship.

This is what Paul was trying to open the eyes of people to see and understand, but we all know how it ended up for him. He was attacked by fellow jews, beaten up and jailed. he is now the convenient scapegoat for muslims and even some ignorant Christians have joined in saying Paul cannot be trusted.

To your case...
It's common knowledge that when a child complains of recurrent tummy ache, a well trained doctor will request blood test which will include coeliac test. A good doctor will also think of food intolerance including lactose and gluten.
This has nothing to do with superstition at all but good medical training. sorry your daughter had to go thru such ordeal b4 finding relieve.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is Jesus Not Included In Academic History Books? by SIRTee15: 11:47pm On Jan 12

musicwriter:
The Nicene creed or declaration by the Roman empire in 325 AD is what made your Jesus a God. Before then, no believer considered Jesus a God.

Attached is the new policies they adopted after the meeting

I just dont understand how some of u can come here and spew ignorance so confidently. is it like u guys dont research or what?
google is free not just so u can watch p.orn. use it to improve your intelligence.
if u had asked google a simple question like 'do early Christians believe Jesus is God?', u wont come here embarrassing yourself.

Now read about Meggido Mosaic

In 2005, Israeli archaeologist Yotam Tepper of Tel-Aviv University discovered the remains of a church, believed to be from the third century, a time when Christians were still persecuted by the Roman Empire.

Among the finds is an approx. 54-square-metre (580 sq ft) large mosaic with a Greek inscription stating that "The God-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial."The mosaic is very well preserved and features geometrical figures and images of fish, an early Christian symbol. The ruins contain one of the oldest inscriptions referring to the divinity of Jesus.

https://archive.archaeology.org/0709/abstracts/churches.html

https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/archaeology-around-the-world/article-830110

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 6:23am On Jan 12*

Qasim6:
What I don't understand about you Trinitarians is why do you guys exclude Moses and the Judges God called Elohim not Eloah o from your Gods? At least you can keep adding to infinity and still claim you are monotheist.

pls understand how the word Elohim is used in bible context. same with Son of God.
Even men are called Elohim.
what we talking about here is the divine name of God. El Shaddai- Almighty God. His own PERSONAL NAME- YHWH, Lord- ADNONAI
GOD SHARES HIS GLORY WITH NO ONE. SO WE SHOULD ASK QUESTION WHEN OTHER PERSONS IN THE BIBLE LIKE ANGEL OF THE LORD IS CALLED YHWH OR GOD ALMIGHTY.
I cant be choosing what aligns with my preferred belief in the bible, u can do that because u are a muslim and the bible is not a scipture to u. I cant do that as a chrsitian.

Qasim6:
All the created beings called God in any way, shape or form are representative of God they do not share in his divinity in any way.

SO ARE U SAYING GOD'S NAME IS NOT DIVINE? IS ALLAH'S NAME DIVINE?
SO ALLAH CAN SHARE HIS NAME WITH OTHER PERSONS huh

??
because THE SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SHOWED GOD SHARED HIS DIVINE NAME WITH OTHER PERSONS.

Qasim6:
And I also see you like to throw around verses that say the angel of the lord and Jesus were worshipped, No bro they were not. If you do your homework diligently you will know the words that are erroneously translated as worship for both angel of the lord in the old testament and Jesus in the new testament are multivalent words that does not necessarily mean worship. The word proskuneo that is always translated as worshipped for Jesus just literally means "to bow down" or "to do obeisance", they will translate the word as worship for Jesus but when the word show up for someone else in Mat 18:26 they know not to translate it as worshipped. The word Latreuo that truly means worship is used exclusively for God and never for Jesus in the NT.

Latreuo was used for Jesus in the book of revelations.

Rev 22.3
3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will worship {latreuo} him.

This verse alone is a powerful evidence of shared essence of the Father and the Son in the bible.
Father and Son linked to just one throne
singular verb used in the sentence for both father and son.

Qasim6:
In judges 13:16 we can see the angel deflecting sacrifice to God indicating he is a subordinate messanger

In Zachariah 1:12 we see the angel praying to God showing he is subordinate to God Almighty.

This shows u dont understand trinity, essence is the same within the Godhead not the hypostasis. same being, same nature but different persons.
Most muslims don't understand trinity anyway, they believe the concept mean 3 beings.
Man and woman has the same nature as human being. the dna of a man is the same as that of a woman. But the persons and role is different.

Qasim6:
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO WORSHIP A BEING THAT IS SUBORDINATE TO ANOTHER??

another what? another being or another person? another existence or another personification of the same existence?
pls be clear.

Qasim6:
Whatever attributes you think they have that automatically make them to be of the same essence with God almighty in your mind is just an authority given to them.

authority that makes them share the glory of God when Almighty God says my glory I share with no one.
common man, just say the bible is corrupt, better than all this whataboutism.
[quote author=Qasim6 post=137960687]In as much as verses like this still exist, trinity o, 2 powers in heaven o, will always be false man made doctrines.

Isaiah 43:10: "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me."
Isaiah 44:6: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god."
Isaiah 44:24: "I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself."

THE FATHER DECLARES, THE WORD REVEALS THAT WHICH HAS BEEN DECLARED AND THE SPIRIT MANIFEST THE DECLARATION.
so I dont understand how these verses u quoted contradict trinity
I repeat, u have no clue about trinity. it's so obvious u think trinity is 3 beings.

u see I dont have a problem if u guys dont understand trinity, its not your theology. its not even that significant in christianity. belief in trinity is not required to enter heaven. u can be ignorant of trinity and still make heaven.
But I have a problem when u muslims argue what u people don't understand, it's annoying.

I personally believe the main argument btw muslims and christians should be 'why is Jesus The Messiah?' This is more important than trinity. The underlying theology behind Jesus as the Messiah is what set christianity apart from other faith system.

Qasim6:
And for the Targum, If you want to base your understanding of the Torah on how the Torah was understood during the HELLENISTIC PERIOD, a time when there was drought of Prophets, then be my guest. because that seem to me like just looking for validation at all cost. WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.

I dont need targum to validate my belief. the bible is sufficient. But we bring it to show u that our core theology is not made up. Its not something Paul conjured in his room or hallucinated into existence. the gospel writers were not fabricating theologies. the targum is a proof of that.
When John was writing the 1st chapter of his gospel, he had this in mind from the targum.....

Tagum neofiti.
Genesis
1 From the beginning with wisdom the Memra of the Lord created and perfected the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and unformed, desolate of man and beast, empty of plant cultivation and of trees, and darkness was spread over the face of the abyss; and a spirit of mercy from before the Lord was blowing over the surface of the waters. 3 And the Memra of the Lord said: “Let there be light” and there was light according to the decree of his Memra. 4 And it was manifest before the Lord that the light was good; and the Memra of the Lord separated the light from the darkness. 5 And the Memra of the Lord called the light daytime and the darkness he called night. And there was evening and there was morning: (in) the order of the work of creation, first day.

He wasn't copying from some Roman-hellenistic pagan nonsense u guys always claim. He was deriving his theology from what was already established in the jewish scriptures. When John said the word created heaven and earth, he was merely repeating what was already known within judiasm, and then It was then revealed to him that the Jesus Christ is the incarnate memra

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made....
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

and FYI, the targum was compiled by Ezra and the 120 men of the great assemblies when they also compiled the Torah. This was during the persian period. targum has no link with any hellenistic age.

Nehemiah 8
7 The Levites—Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, and Pelaiah—then instructed the people in the Law while everyone remained in their places. 8 They read from the Book of the Law of God and translated clearly [in aramaic] and explained the meaning of what was being read [midrash], helping the people understand each passage.

Targum is the aramaic translation of the hebrew bible with exegesis inclusion called midrash in hebrew. It was necessary because the post exilic jews had lost their native hebrew tongue, majority could only speak aramaic.

And there were prophets in the Land when targum was compiled- Zechariah, Haggai, Malachi.

Literature › Re: Adichie Releases Account of Son’s Death, Accuses Euracare Hospital of Negligence by SIRTee15: 12:32am On Jan 12

sonnie10:
The sedation was for them to be able do MRI without the motion artifact. It was not to rule out infection. That was unnecessary. They could have done the lumbar puncture without the MRI. Even a fluoroscopy is enough for the lumbar puncture.
Its all greed.

John Hopkins was thinking of possible meningitis. That's why they advised for MRI of the brain and LP.
I didn't say anything about sedation.

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Literature › Re: Adichie Releases Account of Son’s Death, Accuses Euracare Hospital of Negligence by SIRTee15: 7:58pm On Jan 11

sonnie10:
I don't care who requested the test. Even is it was a lung infection, an ordinary chest x-ray should have been the first line of action. Pneumonia. pneumothorax, plural effusion, are common findings on a plain film x-ray.
Stabilizing the patient should have been their uttermost priority . What was the white blood count? All these are questions that need answers.

They must be thinking of meningitis. For them to request lumbar puncture.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Brainwashed Me So Much (Photo) by SIRTee15: 3:25pm On Jan 11

triplechoice:
Please where did you get it from that " something must control a man" ?

Society controls u. U do what's expected of u not what u want to do.
U work to make money, u don't go about picking other people's money.
U don't start beating people just because u hate them otherwise u end up in jail.

It's worse in western country. The control is beyond ordinary.

U can't even discipline your child the way u want, govt tells u how to discipline your child.
U can lose your house to your wife in case of divorce and govt will force u to pay the mortgage even when you don't live in it anymore.
U can't say what u want on social media, u could be banned or even jailed. Yes, u heard me- jailed.

U are not even allow to type kill on social media, it's now unalive.
anti-Semitism is not tolerated and recently they have added Islamophobe. Insulting the prophet of Muslims can send u to jail in UK.
In the US, A woman u slept with once 9 months ago can put your name as the Father of her newborn baby without ur knowledge or permission; and the govt will force I to pay child support until that child is 18 yrs.
Even if the DNA proves u not the Father, it changes nothing. Govt will still force u to pay child support even with DNA evidence.

There's no freewill anywhere. U are being controlled - ita a matter of choosing who to control u, society or Christ.

Education › Re: Rusticated In My Final Year In School. Help Please by SIRTee15: 8:56pm On Jan 08

Guy use the 2 years to learn digital skills and enter remote job market. If favour smiles on u, na the school go beg u to come and collect your certificate.
suicide is not even an option in this matter at all. take it like a man and learn from it.
some people were not rusticated but they had 4 extra years as a result of carryovers, today they have moved on.
Think about it, if u make the best use of those 2 years, u will be the hottest motivational speaker in town in years to come.

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Travel › Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant Part 2 by SIRTee15: 4:25am On Jan 05*

Sheron50:
With Donald Trump having effectively removed Nicolas Maduro, could Canada face significant economic consequences?
If the United States gains cheaper, more direct access to Venezuela’s oil, will reliance on Canadian supply decline further marginalizing Canada’s energy sector amid limited market access to other buyers and weak diversification?

solution is for canada to seek other alternatives for their products. It's hard but not impossible. over- reliance on america will forever put canada at the mercy of the whoever occupies the white house. If he has a negative dispostion towards canada, there's going to be another economic trouble.
75% of canada exports goes to america, and they are mostly things america can get elsewhere or produce themselves. That's not a symbiotic economic trade. that's a benevolent economic trade agreement from america to canada.
Trump is a business man, he doesn't understand such benevolent trade agreement and sees no reason to continue such.

alternate is for canada to add REAL VALUE TO THEIR EXPORTS TO AMERICA. we should sell to america what they can't get elsewhere or would be too expensive AND IMPRACTICAL for them to seek the products elsewhere.

I just don't understand why Canada cannot invest in electric car battery value chain industry. Canada has a strong natural resource base, its rich in nickel, lithium, cobalt, graphite and others essential for EV battery. The skills needed to build the value chain infrastructure and ecosystem is available. Liase with international investors and partner with strong R& grin

technology companies on EV batteries.
Canada can position itself to be main EV battery supply chain for north america car industry.
But Liberals and their obsession with 'go green and carbon emission target' wont see above potentials. rather will prefer to travel to white house and be begging the Donald Trump to be gentle on canada.

btw, anyone who ships cars from canada to Nigeria to kindly contact me. is the cost dependent on type of cars, make and year?

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Venezuelan President Maduro Flashes A Peace Sign After Arriving The US (video) by SIRTee15: 3:39am On Jan 05

Ghostagain:
I don't think any USA court of law has the authority to judge a kidnapped foreign leader. If the USA justice system really works well, then maduro will walk free, even the dumbest lawyer can successfully defend maduro on this case.

Trump is an idiot.

u gen z kids know nothing. u think this is the first time usa will try this stunt
Go and read manuel noriega of Panama. same thing happened to him. He was forcefully removed as president of Panama in 1989 and jailed in america. after his release from american prison in 2007, he was extradited to France and jailed again.
better tell your leaders to give themselves brain otherwise, dem go see wetin be might and power.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Nicholas Maduro To Stand Trial In US For Being Leader Of Drug Cartel by SIRTee15: 4:31pm On Jan 03

josielewa:
always the weak countries....always flexing muscles with weak countries,,,

Even if weak Maduro is responsible for all this, is it right to capture another countries leader that way. Its just comical, find stupid charges, then attack. Its always with the weaker countries. We all know its because of the oil and asset nationalisation of oil asset. This is a bad precedent.

Oga the strong prey on the weak. That's the long-standing law of nature. U avoid the strong and prey on the weak.

The Lion will never attack a mother elephant, but won't think twice tearing a gazelle apart.

The modern mistake made by the UN is to give the notion that all nations are equal.
That's a big lie. Russia invaded Ukraine, nothing happened.
America invade Venezuela, nothing is going to happen.
Taiwan should give themselves brain and negotiate a peaceful resolution with China; because if China eventually invades, nothing will happen.
Nobody will go to war against China and sanctions won't work against China.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 6:01am On Dec 31, 2025

SIRTeee15:
WOW HALLELUJAH SOMEBODY !!!! GOD IS GREAT AND CHRIST IS KING.

Doffman, in case u don't know, I have been asking this question for years and Muslims are always afraid to answer the question.

If ALLAH HAS A SON, SHOULD THE SON BE WORSHIPPED.

THEY NEVER ANSWER IT. MUSLIMS WILL SAY ANYTHING BUT ANSWER THE QUESTION. A QUESTION THAT QURAN GAVE A CLEAR ANSWER.

RATHER THAN ANSWER THE QUESTION, muslims will start giving answers to question I never asked them. They will self generate new questions not asked and start perambulating around the REAL QUESTION which is IF ALLAH HAS A SON, SHOULD THAT SON BE WORSIPPED.

IT SHOWS MUSLIMS ARE EMBARRASED BY THEIR OWN QURAN.

DOFFMAN IF THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IS IN YOUR QURAN AND U REFUSE TO ANSWER IT, THEN U ARE EMBARRASED BY WHAT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR OWN QURAN. U ARE ASHAMED OF THE TRUTH IN YOUR OWN QURAN.

DOFFMAN IF ALLAH HAS A SON, WILL U DOFFMAN WORSHIP THE SON OF ALLAH?

I'm not asking u whether Allah has a son or not BUT if Allah has a son, should the son of Allah be worshipped.
its not a hypothetical question, the answer is in your Quran.

answer the question, even if the answer is embarrassing, answer it. it's a big shame for a Muslim to be ashamed of his Quran.
Even if u don't like the answer, be bold and answer it.

antiislam may mock u for saying the truth BUT ALLAH will be proud of u for saying and declaring the truth for all to see.

Now don't let me down, I have motivated you enough to answer the question ASKED this time.

If Allah has a son, will u doffman worship the son of Allah?

answer the question. don't think of Antiislam when answering, just think of the truth that must be revealed and answer.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 4:29am On Dec 31, 2025

doffman:
I repeat , Muslim does not bow to stone or worship any idol ; I have given you evidence .
.

U don't bow down to the black stone, so what is this ...

How does below not contradict the word of God in Leviticus which says DO NOT BOW DOWN BEFORE A STONE.

U people surround the kabba and then bow before it and u telling me u not bowing to a stone.
Look at the image and see your god at the middle.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 2:35am On Dec 31, 2025

doffman:
The certified pagan , why do you like to deviate nah .

Face the topic nah .

You claimed Abraham worship someone and j refuted you with proof .

You claimed Muslim blew to stone and worship kaabah , I refuted you with proofs .

If you disagree , the notion is on you to bring in your evidence nah if you fit .

All these you deviation will never help you and I will not allow you to escape .

I went to missionary school ; so you can never lie to me using your bible ; never ; I repeat .

Bursting pagan lies is my hubby ; Alhamdulillah 🥷

MUSLIMS NEVER ANSWER QUESTIONS. THEY CLAIM THEY KNOW THE BIBLE MORE THAN CHRISTIANS BUT WHEN THROWN HARD QUESTIONS THAT DESTROYS THEIR FAITH FROM THE SAME BIBLE, THEY WILL EITHER IGNORE OR SAY BIBLE IS CORRUPT.

ANSWER THE QUESTION, U BROUGHT THE PROPHECY HERE YOURSELF.

U brought Abrahamic prophecy here, no one forced u. What u don't know is that same prophecy was given to Jacob and Isaac....

I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

WHO IS THIS PERSON, WHO IS HE THAT CAME FROM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB THAT IS A BLESSING TO THE WHOLE WORLD.

DON'T BE ASHAMED OF THE TRUTH, SAY THE THE TRUTH AND SHAMED THE DEVIL.

WHO CAME FROM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB, AND HE'S A BLESSING TO THE WHOLE WORLD.

WHO IS THE FIRST PROPHET OF GOD WHOSE MESSAGE WAS GLOBAL AND BROUGHT NON JEWS TO KNOW GOD.

That is my question, pls answer.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 2:19pm On Dec 30, 2025

doffman:
Why lying nah🙈

😀😀😀😀😀😀🤣😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 certified pagan now changing mouth after I have reset his cerebellum .

You once confess here that Jesus never preached any religion

Is Christianity not religion ?

Yes or no ?

Since you already agreed that Jesus never preached any religion you do not have locus standi to preach Pauline religion called Christianity for us nah .

This is second time I asked you this question and you are running away .

Are u this dumb or what

I told u Christianity is not a religion. How many times will I tell u that.

Christianity is a call to follow Jesus and be like Christ, live like Christ and live for Christ.

That's what makes u a Christian. I even told u Christian uby association gets no one to heaven unlike in your religion where all Muslims will eventually end up paradise irrespective of your evil ways.

That's to show u Christianity by association means nothing to God.
If u actually attend missionary school, u will know this.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 2:14pm On Dec 30, 2025

Expanse2020:
J

Use your brain my friend. I believe I'm talking to a educated person with functioning brain not an illiterate dimwit.

Christ means Messiah in Greek. Jesus is the messiah.

U can as well ask why we call him Jesus since Jesus never called himself that name.

Arindin

Everything to them is Paul. Here is Peter apostle of Christ himself using the word Christian

1 Peter 4:16
“Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.”

Lobatan. Even Peter called believers Christians.
Christian mean followers of Christ.
Christ mean Messiah
Is Jesus the messiah? Yes

tongue

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 4:04am On Dec 30, 2025

SIRTeee15:
It's like your brain is beginning to disconnect from your visual senses.

Someone saw his God in visible form as a man, he quickly approached him and bowed before his God.

This clown is claiming Abraham bowed to give water.
My friend, Abraham bowed with his head on the ground when he saw God as a MAN.

Genesis 18
YHWH appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

THAT'S WORSHIP, THE HEBREW WORD FOR BOW IN THAT VERSE IS SHACHAH WHICH IS THE SAME WORD FOR WORSHIP.

Abraham went ahead and called one of the men ADONAI, another name for Almighty God.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my Lord (Adonai) do not pass your servant by

YHWH appeared to Abraham as a Man
Abraham went to meet his God and worshipped him by bowing to the ground before GOD ALMIGHTY Awho appeared as a Man (Theophany)
Abraham called one of the men ADONAI- one of the divine names of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 2:51am On Dec 30, 2025

Qasim6:
You are not going to be allowed to impose your forceful trinitarian understanding of the tanakh here.
It is evident in the tanakh that created being or a messenger can represent God such that they are addressed as God without being God. When God says "My name is in him" it only implies the Angel carries the presence and authority of God and it doesn't in any way implies the Angel carries his divinity.
There are several verses that implies God can not be seen, no one can see God and live.... this Angel of the lord was seen by many, so this Angel allows God to remain invisible and transcendent while still interacting directly with humanity through a visible being. The Angel was God in authority not in identity.

I will respond to your other post but this one really gets to me.
So u telling me u admit that

1. another person apart from God can have the name of God in him- another person can actually bear the name of God.
2. Have the authority of God in him.
3. can be called God in some ways and even called God in authority.
4. u acknowledge that another person can be a physical representation of the invisible Father
5. God can interact directly with humanity through a physical being.
6 another person apart from God can forgive sin

MY BROTHER, IS THIS NOT JESUS CHRIST OR AM I CONFUSED SOMEWHERE.

A MUSLIM IS SEEING JESUS CHRIST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT OR IS IT NOT WHAT I'M READING.

Jesus said ' Before Abraham was, I AM'- called himself the name of God.
Jesus said 'Your sins are forgiven' - forgives sin
Jesus said 'If you have seen me, you have seen the Father"
Jesus said ' All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me"
Jesus said' “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
Jesus said 'Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

SO HOW COME U ACCEPT THE ANGEL OF THE LORD CAN HAVE ALL THESE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD BUT REJECT SAME FOR JESUS.
WHY DO U ACCEPT THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BUT REJECT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?

I think we have a lot more in common in Jesus than u think. I always tell Muslims, scrutinize the Quran critically, also scrutinize the old and new testament. Those 3 books will lead u to Jesus Christ called the saviour.

PERSONALLY IF U CAN ACCEPT THE ANGEL OF THE LORD HAS THESE ATTRIBUTES, THEN U HAVE NO OBJECTIVE REASON TO REJECT SIMILAR ATTRIBUTES FOR CHRIST.

The issue of divinity is simply how its defined separately in the 2 religions.
u guys believe Allah is separate from his divinity and his attributes. So another person that has Allah's attributes doesn't mean he's Allah or has Allah's divinity.
That's why tawhid in Islam is problematic in theological sense because it shows Allah has parts. Allah's attributes are part of Allah and NOT ALLAH. ALLAH'S DIVINITY IS PART OF HIM AND NOT HIM.

we dont belive that in christianity. we accept something called the principle of divine simplicity- God is simple. He's doesn't have parts.

God's attributes cannot be separated from his divinity, equally his divinity cannot be separated from him; and God doesn't have divinity, instead God is divine.
God is inseparable from his from his divinity or attributes. God doesn't have existence, God is existence. God doesn't have omnipresent or omnispotent attributes, God is omnipresent and omnipotent. God doesn't have a name, He is his name.
GOD IS INDIVISIBLE IN ANY FORM OR WAY- HE IS ONE. HE CANNOT BE SEPARATED FROM HIS DIVINITY OR ATTRIBUTES.
SO WHEN HIS NAME OR POWER TO FORGIVE OR AUTHORITY OR GLORY PROCEEDS FROM HIM, IT'S HIS FULL DIVINITY THAT PROCEEDS. YOU CANNOT DIVIDE OR COMPARMENTALIZE ALMIGHTY GOD'S DIVINITY

That's why The Angel of the LORD is presented as a divine agent in the Targum. He's not just an ordinary angel.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 1:14am On Dec 30, 2025

doffman:
SIRTeee15

I will picked Abraham because is the specific prophet Allah use to laid the foundation and build the Mecca 🕋

Read Quran 2:125 :
And remember˺ when We made the Sacred House a centre and a sanctuary for the people saying˺, “˹You may˺ take the standing-place of Abraham as a site of prayer.” And We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify My House for those who circle it, who meditate in it, and who bow and prostrate themselves ˹in prayer

As you can see , Abraham and his son is the custodian of the Kaaba for prayers . Then also pray there and also circle it round and glorifying Allah name. Same way current Muslims are doing . This is direct instruction for God himself .

You should know that the place was full of idols by pagan and which were all removed .

Read Surah Ibrahim (14:35-41):

He prays for security in the city and protection from idol worship for himself and his offspring (14:35).

As you can see , Abraham's personally pray for his family and the future of Mecca from idols .

Let me now shock you more :

He prays for his descendants to establish prayer (14:40). This prayed is answered that is why Muslims are still there worshiping and praying .

Read also :

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:126):
"And [remember] when Abraham said, 'My Lord, make this city [i.e., Mecca] secure and provide fruits to its people—those among them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.'".

Allah also answer this prayer . This is why Saudi the desert area is richer and have peace than your Nigeria . I hope you are learning o .

Now let me go further . ..

There is difference between bowing to Kaaba and facing the direction of kaabah🕋 .

If truly Muslims are worshipping kaabah , why every mosques not place 🕋 image in the front of every mosque and be bowing to it ? Reason nah .

In islam , Muslim worship no any person or thing expect Allah . Kaaba 🕋 is only use for reference point for unified direction for all Muslim to pray . Allah commanded it and ask those who believe to prayed facing Kaaba 🕋.

Surah 2:144: I quote

"We see you turning your face towards heaven. Now We will make you turn towards a direction... that will please you. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque [in Mecca]—wherever you are, turn your faces towards it".

Surah 2:149:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque".

Surah 2:150:

"And wherever you are, turn your face toward the Sacred Mosque...".

As you can see,

The verses emphasize that turning towards the Kaaba is a command from God, not an act of worship towards the structure itself. It serves as a central point of prayer for Muslims worldwide, symbolizing unity.

Now if the God(Allah ) himself commanded us to face that place during prayer does, who are you or your fellow pagan to tell us not ?

Nkw , let go to your bible nah :

Before Muhammad arrived , previous believers have been praying to one God facing direction of Jerusalem . Read Daniel 6:10, which states that Daniel prayed with his windows open toward Jerusalem.

This is also supported by 1 Kings 8:29-30, Solomon's prayer for those who pray toward the Temple in Jerusalem,

and 2 Chronicles 6:20, which echoes this sentiment. These verses describe the practice as directing prayer toward Jerusalem or the Temple as a way of showing faith and remembrance.

Facing a sacred place during prayer does not mean you are worshiping them. As they face the place , they give the glory to Allah , the lords of all the words .

Every mosque 🕌 you see close to your house is facing Kaaba 🕋 direction .you can get compass 🧭 to confirm nah .

Pagan , as you can see , no be by force to be pagan like you guys .

About black stone in kaabah

You already know that Idol Worship is strictly prohibited in Islam and is a major sin. No muslim can dare to worship the Kaaba or stone if he is a true Muslim.
The muslims kiss the Black Stone out of utter respect amd emotion as Prophet Muhammad also used to kiss it out of respect only. Afterall, you guys kiss your god crucification cross nah. 😀

The saying of Second Caliph of Islam Umer (R.A) is sufficient to prove that no Muslim ever worships the Black Stone.

Al-Bukhārī reports that ʿUmar – Allāh be pleased with him – came to the Black Stone, kissed it, and said, “I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allāh’s Messenger kiss you, I would never have kissed you.

😀😀in the first place , does Quran ask you to bow and worship any stone ? Never ! Bring it on if you see one nah !

Na you Christian bow to Jesus sculpture , images and cross . So I can feel your pain . Ask me for evidence I will show you and you will cry .

See enn, if I see you again repeating this thing again , you wil need cane 🦯 be that o .

See this clown, quoting Quran and expecting me to believe. As if when I quoted the NT for evidence of Jesus worship and deity, he accepted it.

My friend, bring indisputable evidence that God told any of the prophets to bow before a stone. Go to the old testament and show me where any of the ancient prophets bow before any type of stone.

praying facing Jerusalem is not the same as bowing before a stone. Jesus prayed facing heaven...

John 17
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

Muslims do not pray facing a stone, they pray bowing before a stone. Something God clearly prohibit and condemned.

and pls do not compare bowing the temple filled with the presence of God to an empty kabba that has a pagan stone
When Israelites bowed before the temple, it was filled with the shikenah glory of God.
The Israelites bowed and worship the presence of God in the temple and not the temple.

2 Chronicles 7
When Solomon finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the Lord filled the temple. 2 The priests could not enter the temple of the Lord because the glory of the Lord filled it. 3 When all the Israelites saw the fire coming down and the glory of the Lord above the temple, they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the Lord,

2 Chronicles 5
Then the temple of the Lord was filled with the cloud, 14 and the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the temple of God.

The presence of God was never in the kabba. Never. If anything it was once filled with pagan idols.

3. Now answer my question. Show me where any prophet of God bowed before a stone, show me where God commanded any prophet to bow before a stone.

God cannot contradict himself. He expressly declared bowing before a stone is a sin and he hates it. How can the same God now contradict himself and tell another prophet to bow before a stone.
U sef reason am, the thing no make sense at all. Bowing before a stone is a sin.

U that bow before a stone and anyone bowing before any sculpture will burn in hell.

Lev 26
“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 11:26pm On Dec 29, 2025

Expanse2020:
He preach Christianity ke... Where in the bible
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jesus and his people didn't know Christianity..
The word Christianity start with Paul
from where to where
Abeg no bullshit us here oo

Be like say they don't teach u guys anything in that mosque.

Did Jesus Christ teach believers to be a Christian? Yes

Christian is from the Greek word Christianos which mean followers of Christ.

Did Jesus teach his disciples to be followers of Christ? Yes

Matthew 16:24
“Then Jesus told his disciples, If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”

Matthew 4:19
“Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.”

Luke 9:23
“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.”

John 12:26
“Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also.”

Lobatan. Jesus indeed preach for us to be followers of Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 6:08pm On Dec 29, 2025

Expanse2020:
Answer the question is he a Christian

Jesus Christ preached Christianity.

He told his followers to be Christians.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 4:21pm On Dec 29, 2025

[quote author=SIRTeee15 post=137948423],,

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 4:20pm On Dec 29, 2025

@ doffman This is my number 4 question u cleverly avoided.

My friend answer the question....

U brought Abrahamic prophecy here, no one forced u. What u don't know is that same prophecy was given to Jacob and Isaac....

I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

WHO IS THIS PERSON, WHO IS HE THAT CAME FROM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB THAT IS A BLESSING TO THE WHOLE WORLD.

Genesis 12
“I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

NOW GOD REPEATED THESE PROPHECY TO TWO OF ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS. WORD FOR WORD, LETTER FOR LETTER.

Guess who? Isaac and Jacob
God gave the same prophecy to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That the whole world will blessed through their seed.

Genesis 26.4
The LORD appeared to Isaac and said 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed .

God said the same thing to Jacob....

Genesis 28
14 The LORD said to Jacob Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.”

Now the question to clown doffman the bible expert who knows the bible more than pastors...

Who is that person who came from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who fulfilled this 3 prophecies.

Who is from the genealogy of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; and brought a message that became a blessing for the whole world?

Who is the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through whom the whole world is blessed.

GOD PROMISED THE BLESSING FOR THE WHOLE WORLD WILL COME THRU ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.
WHO IS THAT BLESSING?

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 2:46pm On Dec 29, 2025

doffman:
The certified pagan now shifting the post ahaaaa

After I bursted his lies about genesis 8 verses 😀😀😀.

When I daid I know bible than you , did I lie ? 😀😀

Stop deviating and answer the challenge in the previous post nah :

We all know you are a pagan that claim you worship Jesus .

I still challenge you , show me where God , Abraham or Jesus say people should worship someone apart from God?

You no nothing you need to come and learn .

You can be a pagan but you can’t force us to be like you nah

This clown has not answered one single question I asked him.
Not one.

I'm not answering any of your question until u answer mine.

Shame the devil and answer my question. Don't be ashamed of your Quran.

If Allah has a son, will u Doffman worship him.

Answer my question. I have asked u 4 question here and u avoided them all.

I will repeat them all...

1. If Allah has a son will u Doffman worship the son of Allah?

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 2:42pm On Dec 29, 2025*

doffman:
Just watch how I will finish you off 😀😀

Is gospel called bible ?

Yes or no

Good u agreed Jesus said Christians should preach the gospel.

Jesus quoted from the old testament multiple times. He told us to study the Torah.

Paul's letter are gospel because it was revealed to him by Jesus Christ.

Other NT letters are exegesis of the gospel.

Lobatan. So yes Jesus told us to read the gospel, old testament and NT letters.

Abi is that not what constitute the bible huh

Christianity Etc › Re: "Gay Marriage In Church Inevitable" - Most Rev Cherry Vann by SIRTee15: 11:47am On Dec 29, 2025

@ doffman

Doffman has joined the list of those Muslims ashamed of their Quran.
He's become another 'Pastor Iropoju', a Muslim apologists on Facebook who knows more of the bible than the Quran

The problem with doffman is he no even sabi the bible. He no come sabi his Quran or Hadith.

Paul is his headache. The clown thought Paul wrote the Old testament.

Doffman, don't be ashamed of your Quran. Answer my question

IF ALLAH HAS A SON, WILL U DOFFMAN WORSHIP THE SON OF ALLAH.

DOES THE SON OF ALLAH DESERVE TO BE WORSHIPPED?

ANSWER THE QUESTION, SHAME SHAYTANI AND ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THE ANSWER IS IN YOUR QURAN

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