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maasoap:
Nov, I know your position. I'm glad to tell you that there is no diabolical angle, free your mind of all the bullshiitt we've been fed

u will know someone who has never done an independent research work in his life.

since people are claiming its juju, its important u investigate if such claims are linked to the case.
does the husband suspect the woman of infidelity, is her husband into diabolical stuff, is there someone who claimed he's responsible for their predicament. That's what diabolical angle mean- its not about believing the case was as a result of diabolical attack.

If we can establish that most cases are in no way related to diabolical claim, that reinforces the fact that the cases are purely medical. This is called circumstantial or empirical evidence.

For example, the one I witnessed, the husband vehemently denied he had a hand in his cheating wife's predicament and insist he's not into diabolical stuffs.

You can blow hot air that diabolical claim is nonsense, but unless u bring evidence to dispute such claim. Your own counter assertion is simply theory.

honesttalk21:
Surah 41:11-12 doesn't actually say the stars were made then. The Arabic wording is quite clear. What the verse does say is that Allah adorned (zayyanna) the closest heaven with lamps (bi-masabih). In Arabic, zīnah means making something beautiful, arranging it, or designating it for a purpose not creating it from scratch. When the Qur'an talks about creation, it uses words like khalaqa (created) or jaʿala (brought into being). These words aren't used here.

The stars are mentioned here only in terms of how they work and how we see them as lights that we can see and as an organized part of the sky not as things that were just created. So, the text makes a distinction between something existing and how it's arranged in the cosmos.

If you persistently wants to argue that this is a mistake about the universe, you need to prove using the Arabic text itself that zayyanna means created or that masabih means the stars were ignited. Just giving English translations isn't enough. A real argument needs to look closely at the Arabic words and grammar, and not just read meanings into the text that aren't really there. If you truly have concerns after doing this say so either I or whoever can explain in a form you will understand can address better. You sure have the capacity for independent research unless you need validation for assurance.

guy, I'm not arabic and I dont need to learn any arabic to understand what the verse is saying- its so clear. u are the one hiding behind arabic etymology to diffuse the contradiction and ignorance seen in the Quran.
I never said Allah created the stars after earth creation- we have gone past that already.
My point is what does adornment of lamps mean and u said it's about arrangement and visibility of the stars.
The sun is a star and it's obvious it emitted light and became visible prior to creation of the earth according to cosmotology and surah 79.
There can't be night and day without visibility of the the sun. so this idea that visibility came after earth creation is not supported by science or Quran itself.

maasoap:
So, what exactly is your position, Mr Native challenges?

first thing is to investigate all cases of penis captivus we know and verify what actually happened.
check how they were separated. cross check if there's any diabolic angle to these cases.
look for evidence of penis captivus in non cheating couples- u can easily get by systematic sampling of emergencies hospital records. u can also talk to pool of private hospital/A&E doctors- most cases will go there.
talk to witnesses of these events- lots of gist happen during the excitement, they may tell u other cases that happen elsewhere. verify those cases.
Then u can arrive on a logical conclusion and not some lazy arm chair pseudo-elitist random guess.
since u are too lazy or busy to do these, sensible thing to do is to shut up and keep an open mind.

honesttalk21:
In the Qur'anic verses we're looking at, the term lamps (masabih) points to the stars we can see, not the moment they were born or lit up for the first time. Similarly, adorn (zinah) isn't about creating something from scratch, but rather about arranging, displaying, or making it visible.

From a cosmic standpoint, stars might have formed before Earth. Still, they only become observable, organized, and relevant from Earth's point of view at a later time. The Qur'an's wording agrees with this way of seeing things, focusing on how the heavens appear to us, rather than the timeline of astrophysics.

There's nothing in the text that claims stars or light didn't exist until after the Earth. Stars are only brought up when talking about arrangement, distinction, and how we see them, not their initial creation. To interpret adornment as a creation sequence is to project a modern scientific or biblical timeline onto a description that's more about metaphysics.

So, the mistake isn't in the Qur'an itself, but in mixing up cosmic arrangement and perception with the question of where things originally came from.

u just making it harder for yourself as u continue to reinterpret those passages.
so God made stars visible from the earth after he finished work on the later. b4 that stars were not visible from the earth.
the closest star to the earth is the SUN which Allah already created and made visible prior to earth creation in surah 79.

Except u saying Allah made some stars visible and left the rest for later.

Look here, it's so obvious the authors of the Quran had poor knowledge of accurate cosmology. They simply followed the ancient theory which is creation was centred around the earth. Every extratrrestial elements were created to serve the earth.

DeepSight:
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No, it's fear. Once they are stuck they are terrified of getting caught and so they react to fast. It's nothing special, a real couple will keep it quiet and wait for the muscles to relax. That's all. A cheating couple will expose themselves through fear and imagination of juju.

penis captivus is very painful and could last hours. It's also exhausting and could lead to collapse of either couple. In most cases they need muscle relaxants to separate them.
The only case I've seen, the cheating couple had to shout for help when the man complained he was about to faint.

I don't have a problem if u argue it's a natural phenomenon but most medical journals agree it's very rare that some conclude it's a myth, urban legend or hoax; that's how rare it is. Others confirm it but admit its far in between. Yet in africa, there's no month we dont see cases of penis captivus making headline and it's always cheating couples.
don't just dismiss something because u want to apply foreign concept to native challenges. That's the problem with our ineffectual elites in Africa. They are quick to implement foreign solutions to local problem and in most cases, it doesnt work.

see below medical journals on penis captivus stating it's very rare.

In an article published in the British Medical Journal in 1979, Dr F. Kräupl Taylor reviewed the literature on penis captivus and concluded that while "almost all the cases mentioned in medical publications and in textbooks are based on hearsay and rumour", two papers published by nineteenth-century German gynaecologists – Scanzoni (1870) and Hildebrandt (1872) – who had personally dealt with cases of the condition "leave no doubt about the reality of this unusual symptom", which, however, "is so rare that it is often regarded nowadays as no more than a prurient myth".

Finding no later reports that were properly authenticated, Kräupl Taylor was of the opinion that the symptom "does not seem to have occurred in the past 100 years or so. If there had been, during that time, a case of penis captivus that needed medical intervention or admission to hospital it would have been eagerly reported in a medical journal with as much detail and evidence as possible."

In a letter published in the British Medical Journal in 1980 in response to Kräupl Taylor's article, Dr Brendan Musgrave recalled that in 1947 when he was a houseman at the Royal Isle of Wight County Hospital he had seen a case of this seemingly rare condition. "I can distinctly remember the ambulance drawing up and two young people, a honeymoon couple I believe, being carried on a single stretcher into the casualty department. An anaesthetic was given to the female and they were discharged later the same morning." To check the veracity of his memory, Dr. Musgrave had rung his old friend Dr S.W. Wolfe, "who was the other houseman at the hospital at the time. He confirmed my story, his exact words being 'I remember it well.'"

DeepSight:
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Nope. It happens all over the world. It's nothing like juju.

so its cheating couples that understand the consequence of being caught that will decide to make their case public

honesttalk21:
Your argument hinges on a chronological interpretation that the Arabic text doesn't necessarily demand. In the Quran, thumma doesn't always mean after in a temporal sense. Classical scholars have recognized that it often serves to shift the topic of discussion. If you disagree, it's up to you to demonstrate that thumma in these verses must refer to a time sequence; something the Arabic itself doesn't confirm.

Quran 2:29 and 41:11-12 make a clear distinction between the act of creation (khalq) and the ordering or beautifying (taswiyah, zinah). Stars are only mentioned when discussing adornment, not the initial creation or when they first began to shine. The text never actually says that stars, or even the Sun, were created or started emitting light after the Earth.

Therefore, the idea that light didn't exist before the Earth is being read into the text, not drawn from it. You're essentially projecting a modern scientific or even biblical timeline onto a metaphysical description. That's eisegesis, not a proven contradiction..

surah 79 already established Allah created morning and night when he formed the earth. so the sun precede the earth in that verse.

Now surah 41 is saying Allah adorned the heaven with lamps after he finished the works on the earth.
what does lamp mean in this verse and what does adorn mean. pls correlate it with cosmological realities.
what exactly did Allah do when he adorned the heaven with lamp. what was he trying to accomplish.
what does it really mean to adorn the lower heavens with lamps. Your scholars already said the lower heavens is the universe and lamp mean stars.
so what does it mean to adorn the universe with stars.

honesttalk21:
No. As I mentioned before, the Arabic word thumma (then) doesn't always mean things happened in order. It can also show a change in topic or be used to explain something. Take Surah 41, for example. It goes from talking about getting the Earth ready to talking about how the heavens were ordered, not listing creation in order. The skies are first described as dukhan,like primordial smoke (41:11), and then as being shaped into seven heavens and decorated with stars (41:12). The Qur'an never says exactly when the stars or the Sun were created, just when they were arranged or made visible. It's clear that the Qur'an makes a distinction between creating (khalq), ordering (taswiyah), and adorning (zinah). Stars are only mentioned in the context of adorning. Therefore, saying the Qur'an teaches that the Earth was created before the Sun or stars is reading a timeline into the text that isn't actually there.

The word 'then' and 'after that' no longer mean timeline when used in the Quran according to honesttalk.

This is surah 2.29 which showed Allah created before the heavens

Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

once again the verse said 'then Allah turned to heaven' after finishing the earth.

U cant have morning and night without light from the sun. and surah 41 clearly stated Allah adorned the skies with lamps after completing the works on earth. going by your explanation, Allah created the stars but they didn't emit light until after the earth was finished.
above makes no cosmological sense because the sun had been functioning perfectly emitting light b4 for billion of years b4 earth was formed.

You can't reconcile these errors and contradiction. no matter how u try, u cant.

honesttalk21:
1. Following the Earth's creation, Surah 41 details the completion of the heavens, including their embellishment with celestial lights

2. prior to the Earth's formation, the heavens existed in a nascent, smoke-like state (verse 11). Their finalization and organization into seven distinct layers took place subsequent to the creation of the Earth.

So u telling me Allah created the earth before the stars? Is that what u saying
That Allah created the sun after creating the earth!!!!!

honesttalk21:
Your argument falls apart due to Arabic semantics, not cosmology.

The phrase Thumma / baʿda dhalika doesn't always indicate a chronological order; it frequently signals a shift in the discussion or adds emphasis. Classical Arabic and the Qur'an itself uses it in a non-sequential way in other instances.

Surah 79 describes the organization and arrangement (the regulation of night and day), not the initial creation of stars. Surah 41 discusses the completion and assignment of roles in the heavens (jaʿala, zayyana), not the act of initial creation.

You're imposing a modern, linear timeline on what is essentially thematic Semitic storytelling.

There's no contradiction here.

It's simply a category error disguised as cosmology.

So in surah 41, when did Allah adorn the heavens with lamp, was it b4 or after creation of the earth.

2. The 7 heavens were INITIALLY CREATED when, was it before or after creation of the earth.

honesttalk21:
It's not a contradiction, just a misunderstanding of sequence versus description.

Surah 79 offers a broad overview of the cosmic order; the shaping of the heavens, the regulation of night and day not a strict, chronological account. Surah 41 provides a more detailed explanation in the Earth is made habitable first, and then the heavens are completed (sawwahunna), not brought into existence from nothing all over again.

The crucial point you seem to have missed is
creation (khalq) is not the same as completion or ordering (taswiyah). Regulating light (night and day) isn't the same as igniting stars from absolutely nothing.

The Qur'an often employs a non-linear narrative style, which is common in Semitic texts, including the Bible.

This isn't about being ignorant of cosmology; it's about mistaking a thematic description for a chronological sequence of events.

surah 79 itself confirms chronological order

Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth.

The highlighted is a clear evidence of chronological order in the verse. except u want to tell me 'after that' mean something else in arabic.

the verse is saying Allah created the heaven, separated morning from night which cant happen without the sun which gives light. Then he proceed to spread the earth- whatever that meant.

But surah 41 is telling us Allah fixed the lights in heaven after forming the earth. which makes no sense at all. If anything surah 79 makes better sense since if follows cosmological order of creation. The universe precede earth formation

So if u telling us surah 41 is the detailed chronological order, then that's a big cosmological blunder because The stars existed b4 the earth. Quran got it wrong and shows the author of Quran lacks sound cosmological knowledge.

Eniitankorede:
If you understand simple English you will know that heaven was formed but not completed when He created the earth. It is so easy for a kindergarten child to understand. I am even surprised you are wondering if this is a revelation when you can see the truth depressions in the verses. Do they sound like someone telling the story of another person?

Oga explain the contradiction, leave kindergarten analogy alone.
You said Allah created heaven first but later came back to complete it.

The problem is surah 79.27-30 inferred Allah already created heaven, sun and moon - Allah separated night from morning which can't happen without the sun which is a star.

Then according to u Allah proceeded to create earth, fixed the mountains on the earth's surface, then went back to create light in the heavens- surah 41.9-12

How can Allah go back to heaven to create light when he already done that prior to earth's creation.

This is beyond contradiction, this is confusion and ignorance in full display. It is obvious the author of the Quran has poor knowledge of cosmology.

Eniitankorede:
Pentecostal growth is situated within Christianity. The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam. Read what AI has to say:

AI Overview


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Why Muslims are the world's fastest-growing religious group
Islam is projected to be the fastest-growing major religion globally, primarily due to high fertility rates and a young population, with forecasts suggesting it will nearly equal Christianity in numbers by 2050, though Christianity remains the largest faith now, according to studies by the Pew Research Center.
Key Factors in Islam's Growth:
Youthful Population: Muslims have the youngest median age compared to other religious groups.
Higher Fertility Rates: Muslim women generally have more children, contributing significantly to population growth.
Geographic Spread: Continued growth through migration and commerce, especially in Asia, America, and Europe.
Projections:
By 2050, the global Muslim population is expected to grow faster than the Christian population.
While Christianity currently has the largest number of followers (around 2.3 billion), Islam is close behind (around 2.0 billion) and growing rapidly.

U will do well to read what I wrote.
I said Pentecostalism is the fastest growing religion by CONVERSION.
When u look at rate of conversion to new religious movement, Pentecostalism has the highest not Islam.

Islam is the fastest growing religion by birth not religion. More people are being added to Islam by birth than conversion.

Fenrir:
This is a forum and is for debate, you cannot limit who replies to your claim.

The second you post anything its open for debate BY ANYONE.

The question is for those who believe Quran is the verbatim word of God to defend the claim with evidence.

If u don't believe in the Quran, why are u responding.

It's like asking teenagers who have menstrual cramps to discuss their experience and a boy is coming forward. What exactly does he have to say!!!!!

Eniitankorede:
You can’t shock me. But I will shock you, the religion with largest reverts in the world is Islam. You can’t compare the large number of Muslims to the small number in other religions. In fact, Christianity is fast declining in the west. Churches are turning to mosques in U.K. What is more shocking than that.

Forget about this bragging right about whose father's farm is the biggest.
Focus on the truth....

Is Quran the verbatim word of God?

Cosmological contradiction.

Allah created the Heaven first or, the Earth first (?)

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time He says that the Heaven was created first.

Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth.

Quran 41.9-12
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds." And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask. Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

Eniitankorede, kindly tell us which one did Allah created forst- heaven or earth.

Fenrir:
Im atheist fella, and if you want to play the contradiction game ALL religions are the same in that area and ALL religions have the same fatal flaw

The game is rigged, name 1 religion on earth where the god tells everyone the RULES TO HIS GAME DIRECTLY?

All religions are a cosmic game of Chinese whispers.

I didn't quite u so allow the person I quoted to answer the question. Don't drink panadal for another's man headache.

They are the ones that said Quran is the verbatim word of God- the all knowing and all wise.
So let's check if the claim can be backed by evidence.

Eniitankorede:
You can’t shock me. But I will shock you, the religion with largest reverts in the world is Islam. You can’t compare the large number of Muslims to the small number in other religions. In fact, Christianity is fast declining in the west. Churches are turning to mosques in U.K. What is more shocking than that?

Since u are not ready to engage in the truth but prefers to deal with irrelevance such as numbers of adherents, let's deal with numbers in the Quran.

IS QURAN THE WORD OF GOD? LET'S FIND OUT.

There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated

Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 2 (for heavens) = 4 days; and not 6 days.

So how long did it take Allah to create heaven and earth? Eniitankorede tell us.

Eniitankorede:
You can’t shock me. But I will shock you, the religion with largest reverts in the world is Islam. You can’t compare the large number of Muslims to the small number in other religions. In fact, Christianity is fast declining in the west. Churches are turning to mosques in U.K. What is more shocking than that?

Let me shock once again.

The fastest growing religious sect by conversion is Pentecostal Christianity.
Yes u heard right, the fastest growing religious movement by CONVERSION is not Islam BUT PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT.
Christianity is not dying in UK, what is dying is church of England and rightly so.
A church that promotes homosexuality deserves to die. Any church that promotes humanity over spirituality will meets its end soon because people have finally realised u don't need religion to be a good person.

Orthodox all over the world are struggling. Even in Nigeria, Anglican, Methodist and even Catholic are experiencing dwindling fortune so it's not a UK problem alone.
What is growing by conversion is Pentecostal movement and it's faster than Islam.
According to Pew research, 1 million people converts to Islam every year while 4 million people converts to Christianity mainly Pentecostalism.

Flangelo12:
Trunp does not speak for her constituents who have returned her 4 times.

He's only jealous.

Next, you would say mixed-race like Obama should never rule.

When that ends, you'll say those whose ancestors were enslaved should not rule.

You see how inane you sound?

Using Obama as example shows how illogical u sound. Obama's mum is white. The parent who raised Obama is white, Obama grew up in his white grandparents household. He has no cultural attachment to Kenya in anyway.
Compare that to Ilhan Omar who address her constituent in Somali language, reprimands her Somali people for acting as informants to federal authorities.

If u think above is ok, Something must be definitely wrong with u.

Ilan Omar is in federal Congress. She is making laws for America as a citizen from Minnesota. Laws she votes for are not only implemented in her district but the whole of America. If she wants to make laws only for her people, then she should contest for Minnesota State Congress or local mayor election.

Funny is that why that Lagos boy was rejected in last Lagos State gubernatorial election. He was accused of not identifying with his Yoruba root. Compare that to Adeleke of oshun who also has igbo mum and even speaks igbo fluently but has no issue winning elections in a core Yoruba state because he identifies with his elect

Flangelo12:
They have never been superior.

Maybe you are inferior to them, though.

Say it.

Personally I don't understand why people from inferior civilization should be allowed to rule over people with a far more superior civilization.

Somalia has nothing to add to america, it has no technology or any cultural value worth emulating.

It's a different ball game if a Chinese or maybe south Indian rules over america. Those guys have proven themselves beyond they have what it takes to build institutions and successful civilisation.

All these wokeism should end. It does nothing for the good of humanity on the long run, it only drags those above to the bottom making everywhere look shithole.

My take is 1st and 2nd generations migrants shouldn't be allowed to hold public office in their adopted homeland. They are too attached to their native land to show any sincere loyalty to their new country.

British Pakistanis sworn in as Mayors in UK council election were seen waving Pakistani flags during induction to their office. Some were known to divert public funds to support elections back home in Pakistan or Bangladesh.

It doesn't work. Trump maybe crude but he's right that Ilhan Omar has no business representing America in Congress.
She once said the main problem of America is Christian white male Americans. Ironically these are the people that made america the most desired place to be.

Eniitankorede:
Your statements confirm you are in delusion. American soldiers who went to Afghanistan are turning to Islam. The ones in Saudi are reverting. Here in the west majority of reverts are into Islam. And you are here making empty brags.

So because whites are converting to Islam, it means Islam is true!!!!
Well let me shock u...
The biggest converts to Yoruba spirituality are whites. The biggest converts to Buddhism are equally whites.

So leave irrelevance alone and face the truth. Is Quran the word of God?

More blunders from the Quran

Surah 18:86 states that Dhul-Qarnayn reached the setting place of the sun and found it setting in a "muddy waters.
Allah ignorantly claims the sun has a resting place it runs to everyday and it's in a muddy waters.

Stars as Missiles: According to the Quran, Allah created stars as decorations for the lowest heaven and as missiles to drive away devils/jinns (67:5, 37:6-.

Allah claimed Jews called Ezra the Son of God. Surah 9.30.
A claimed not found in any Jewish religious literature. No Jew dead or alive is ever recorded to have called Ezra Son of God in any form or shape.

There are over 100 historical and scientific blunders in the Quran. Your prophet simply copied down the ignorant beliefs of people on his time or things he heard, just he heard ancient physicians saying semen is ejected from the backbone and simply added it to the Quran
A book filled with such ignorant comments can never be from God.

Even your Hadith confirmed people during his time knew Mormo was fabricating stories claiming it's from God.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3617
Narrated Anas:
There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-`Imran, and he used to write for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him."

Eniitankorede:
You are a liar. Show us the blunders, contradictions.

another blunder from the direct verbatim words of the all knowing Allah

Moon has light and earth was formed before the stars.

Eniitankorede:
Ask any doctor with good knowledge of embryology and they will tell you it is spot on. That’s the origin of testes and sperm cells. Your ignorance is the problem with you, not Quran. Your creator knows more than you.

embryology of the sperm cells is not from the backbone my friend, origin of sperm cells is from the yolk sac.

Now lets ask your ancient scholars in the tafsir the exegesis of verse

Asrar - Kashf Al-Asrar
He was created of gushing water, emerging from between the loins and the chest.
When the human individual was created, he was created from water thrown and spilled, a water that came forth from the back of the man and from the bones within the woman's breast.

Kathir - Ibn Kathir
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) meaning, the backbone (or loins) of the man and the ribs of the woman, which is referring to her chest. Shabib bin Bishr reported from `Ikrimah who narrated from Ibn `Abbas that he said,
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. It (the fluid) is yellow and fine in texture. The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids).'' Concerning Allah's statement,

It's even worse for u guys, the tafsir mentioned the fluids from backbone of the man and the rib of the woman makes a baby.
Isokuso

That's not even the end of it. The quran is not the first book to say baby comes fluids from the backbone of man.
ancient Doctors from Persia, Greece, Rome and Egyptian all said baby is made from emission that comes from the backbone.

"The Kahun papyrus is the gynecological text that enables us to examine ancient Egypt’s concept of human reproduction. Ancient Egyptians had two theories in regards to conception. They believed that a man’s semen originated from the spinal cord, as this was the belief spread by Egyptian priests who worshiped bulls and perceived that the bull’s phallus was an extension of the spine."


Quran simply repeated the ignorant medical knowledge of its time and lied it came from God.

Eniitankorede:
You are a liar. Show us the blunders, contradictions.

Plenty, like telling us the semen of man comes from the backbone

Eniitankorede:
I thought you believe Jesus has no father. Why was he referring to descendant of David? If you are descendant of someone, are you not son of that person by descendance?

Jesus himself answered your question by proving he's pre-existent.

Jesus asked the same question ' How can David call the Messiah my Lord, when the Messiah is meant to be the Son of David?'

Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”

“The son of David,” they replied.

43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,

44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’

45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Of course this Muslim will come here to say Jesus never said that because the bible is corrupt.

Eniitankorede:
How can we explain to ignorant ones? Quran is revealed by the creator of your bible writers and your Jesus and everything that exists. Does that make sense to you now?

The creator indeed. A book filed with errors, blunders and contradiction.
I'm sure 99% of Muslims know deep down that Quran wasn't written by any God. Except if Muhamed himslef is that god.

Tallherveze:
Who determine if the environment is good or bad? Is it not human being? You mentioned that you will explained to your househelp how you want her to dress, is that not telling her what you want in your house and not she wants. I heard some churches have started sending those with short mini skirt back home from the church now, is that not Islam is preaching? You still have a lot to learn.

You also talked about Human rights and freedom. To make this life safe for all of us, you have to control some Human rights and freedom citizen should get in the country. Don't you think some people think it is their right to carry guns and they have freedom to walk naked in the street?

I think that you should read more about Islam before you condemn it. Forget about social media information you are reading here and there.

The biggest lie u can tell yourself is to think u need religion to be a good person or to have good morals.
China and Singapore are mainly atheist nations, yet they have the strictest laws when it comes to societal discipline.
In return the level of discipline seen in the residents of those countries can never be replicated in so called Islamic shari'ah compliant countries.

U don't need religion to be a good moral person, all u need is a conscience and respect for humanity.

The problem with Muslims is they believe western nations are automatically Christian nations. And people living in European countries are automatically Christians.
Western nations are secular nations with secular liberalism ideology. They are not Christians and their lifestyle is not a representation of what Christianity stands for.

thatigboman:
Oyo empire that dahomey amazonsdecapitated thrice in war? Girls o. Dahomey girls from cotonou killed them all and burnt down their villages they called empires thrice.
The same cotonou girls destroyed abeokuta and drove families to live inside olumo rock.
And when Fulani came, their alafin calling himself king of yorubas had to write to the King of England and begged him to save him and his family.
Watch "The Woman King"

woman king is nothing but a glamourised hollywood version of hisotrical dahomey women fighters. They are strong fighters no doubt but they never achieved any remarkable victory of formidable enemy in war.
Oyo empire subjugated dahomey for more than 100 years even with their female fighters. this only ended after Oyo empire collapsed and king Gezo declared independence from Oyo empire. Oyo didnt even respond to dahomey's resistence because they were too weak to mount any offensive.

The female warriors were only successful against small villages and towns with reputation for notorious slavers, cannibalist and headhunting. Against abeokuta, they were crushed; and against the french, they were beaten blue black.

The Dahomey amazon warriors were never a threat to any Yoruba town at historical time.

Most of the Mino warfare was against other kingdoms and tribes in Africa. The Dahomean army, headed by the Agojie, subdued the neighboring kingdoms of Whydah and Popo in 1728 under King Agaja (who reigned from 1718–1740). They also distinguished themselves gallantly in the 1840 Mahee fortress capture at Attahapahms.

However, the Agojie suffered their share of losses and failures in Africa. Their humiliating loss to their venerable foe, the kingdom of Abeokuta (in present day Ogun State, Nigeria), was perhaps the most significant. King Gezo and the Agojie launched a significant assault on Abeokuta in 1851. The Abeokutans, who were well-prepared and well-equipped for combat, met the Dahomeans with tough resistance despite their reputation as formidable warriors.

The Dahomey army was forced to flee after a furious battle with Abeokuta that lasted several days, incurring heavy losses. As a result, they suffered a humiliating loss against the Egbas. However, although there were brief wars between the two kingdoms in the years that ensued, a peace treaty was ultimately reached in 1894.

https://worldhistoryedu.com/dahomey-amazons-just-how-fierce-were-the-all-female-west-african-warriors/

ultraviolet27:
Even from that bible text 'and will be united to his wife doesn't mean only one wife at a tim'e going by that logic men don't even practice monogamy as written in that matt 19:5 as even with their supposed uniting to their wives they still have concubines outside I don't think the bible stated havi6side chicks with the one wife what hypocrisy!!

The white who condemned polygamy because they want to reduce and control your populations okays homosexualism,baby mamarism and bestiality!.

The white man didn't write the bible. They had no input whatsoever in the authorship and compilation of the bible. There's no author of the bible who is blue eyes, blond hairs and pale skin.

Africans had more input into christian theology and bible compilation than any white man dead or alive. Father Tertullian, Origen, and Augustine were all Africans, they gave us the Trinity and helped compiled the new testament sciptures; and Father Arian who is an african as well championed unitarian christian belief.

so dont bring that nonsense white man said polygamy is evil. I dont live my life based on white man's moral fibre but what the bible said. and no white man- dead or alive ever contributed to the bible.
chrsitianity is not a white man's religion. it had existed in africa and sub sahara africa for hundred of years b4 any western country became christian.

If anything we can accuse the white man of distorting the bible and adding corruption to it when it got to their hands as they did with anything they get involved in. Ethopians, coptic, armenians, syriac bibles are well preserved with little or no corruption. same can not be said of bible translations written by white men.

The bible clearly said one man and one wife not wives. It's clearly written in that verse. That men don't practice the faith is no justification to deny the verse. I dont follow the actions of men, I follow the words of Jesus.
If Jesus say one man shall be join to his WIFE- then so be it.

u are free to disobey the words of Jesus and follow your heart desire, there's a name for it- freewill. just be ready for the consequence.

Antichristian2:
Jesus Christ lived on earth for approximately 33 years, with about three years dedicated to his public ministry. The religion founded on his teachings was later called Christianity, named after Christ. However, Jesus did not explicitly settle many creedal matters before his death. Even Paul, who was allegedly commissioned by Jesus despite not meeting him during his earthly life, did not resolve these doctrinal issues. As a result, early church councils were convened to address and clarify these important creedal questions.

Definition of a Council
A council is a formal assembly of church leaders and theologians convened to discuss, debate, and decide on important doctrinal, theological, or disciplinary issues within Christianity.

Why Was It Needed?
Councils were needed to address emerging heresies, clarify Christian doctrine, and maintain unity in belief and practice as Christianity spread and diversified.

Why Not Just Follow Jesus’s Teachings Directly?
-Jesus did not provide detailed systematic theology or resolve all interpretive disputes.
-As the church grew, differing interpretations arose, requiring authoritative decisions.
-Councils provided a collective, guided consensus to preserve orthodox faith and resolve controversies, especially on core creedal matters.

1. Council of Nicaea (325 AD)
Defined the divinity of Jesus Christ, affirming He is "of the same substance" (homoousios) with the Father.
Produced the original Nicene Creed.

2. Council of Constantinople (381 AD)
Expanded the Nicene Creed, affirming the divinity of the Holy Spirit.
Reaffirmed the Trinity doctrine.

3. Council of Ephesus (431 AD)
Affirmed Mary as Theotokos ("God-bearer" or Mother of God).
Condemned Nestorianism (which separated Christ’s divine and human persons).

4. Council of Chalcedon (451 AD)
Defined the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union: Jesus Christ is one person in two natures, fully divine and fully human, without confusion or separation.

5. Second Council of Constantinople (553 AD)
Reaffirmed Chalcedon and condemned certain writings seen as Nestorian.

6. Third Council of Constantinople (680-681 AD)
Condemned Monothelitism, affirming Christ has two wills (divine and human).

7. Second Council of Nicaea (787 AD)
Restored the veneration of icons, condemning iconoclasm.

Why debate on all these if Jesus and Paul did clarify them in the Bible?

Same way Muhammed was sent to deliver to Quran but forgot to compile it in his lifetime.
His companions unfortunately forgot majority of the Quran after his death and had to gather the remnant they remember and write it down.

Let none of you say: ‘I have memorised the whole Qur’an.’ How does he know what all of it is? Much of the Qur’an is lost. Rather let him say: ‘I have memorised from what is left of the Quran.’”



Muhammed said Allah is one but didn't give the details. The companions were now left to define and redefine oneness of God until they came up with TAWHID- the central theme and doctrine of Islam not found in Quran itself.

no wonder DR Congo became all of a sudden good. beating both Cameroon and Nigeria to advance to the world cup play off.