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stuffs2002:
How can Jesus Christ be a founder when he knew nothing about Christianity. No one during the lifetime of Jesus Christ was a Christian

Christianity started many years after Jesus Christ has risen to the heavens

Christianity means follower of Christ. If u believe in Christ, u are a Christian

Jesus clearly said follow me and I will make u fishers of men.
Christ means messiah.
Abraham, Moses, Isaiah and all prophets were all Christians because they believe in the messiah.

Previous prophets can never be Muslims because they all called God YHWH and Islam do not believe Allah is YHWH.

The law shouldn't be one sided. If the Senate thinks preaching in the bus constitute public nuisance, they should also ban praying in the street or blocking roads for prayer. They should also ban blocking roads for owanbe.

Mattswaggz:
Yep....we want a sane and developed country but we don't want to do what they did that made them as developed as they are today....we should chose religion over common sense and overall common good...while people who knows how this life works are moving forward and taking their countries to the next level you have a country filled with overzealous religious bigots and corrupt people asking why their country is backward.


Nigerians truly don't want a working country, they love this present system....they only complain when "it doesn't favor them and their families".... almost everyone is selfish and self centered and not concerned about the good or all in a so called "secular" country....we will get there when we are ready as for now let's keep going round the circle of self deceit and blaming others for our woes... imagine wasting valuable time and resources in the name of defending some BORROWED/FORCED UPON RELIGION in this time and in this age and it's not as if it has brought any goodness with it...the country and a lot of those practicing the said religion are both getting worst by the day.

Yehn yehn yehn

Religion is the problem but America and Europe became the greatest civilization ever built when they were strongly Christians. Now that they are atheist, we see how they are fading away.

Dubai is becoming the most successful city in the world yet it's in a conservative Muslim country.

Faith and religion is not the problem, ideology and the belief system is the problem stop confusing the two.

and to think some nigerians were comparing Mikel Obi to Lionel Messi way back in 2005.

mheen, Nigerians are so emotional, they have intentionally deprived themselves of rational logical thinking.

That's why our leaders take us for a ride and we cant make any meaningful progress into the future- we lack foresight as a nation.

olat45:
Your argument is so baseless and doesn't really worth it, well let me make it known to you thta I've passed the level of doubting this religion of Islam. I'll leave you with more doubts in that so called belief of yours.

It is only a confused being that will claim someone born of human, who shits, eats and also died according to your believe is God ( laughable, even your bible confirms Jesus isn't God. Have a look at the verses:

Mark 12:29 – Jesus affirms, "The Lord our God, the Lord is one."
John 20:17 – Jesus says, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Even Jesus affirms that Allah( God) is the true God.


And no where in the bible states that Christianity is a religion,therefore it can never be a means of saving mankind. But in Islam we've verses that affirm Islam as Religion;

Indeed, the religion in the sight of God is Islam Surah Al Imran verse 19.

Shalom be objective and be open minded about Islam

So I should accept a religion that lacks continuity with previous prophets just because a false prophet appears from no where and said an angel spoke to him!!!!!. U think that coolAid u people drink in your masjid will work here.

Objectivity means consistency and validity, something Islam lacks.
Islam is a religion strange to all previous prophets including Jesus, Moses and Abraham.

All previous prophets called God Father, Islam came and said God of the quran never said he should be called Father
All previous prophets called God YHWH- I AM THAT I AM, Islam came and refused to recognise YHWH as personal name of God.
All previous prophets affirm God can enter creation, Islam came and said God can't enter creation, yet we see Allah inside the burning bush talking to Musa

Surah 27
7. When Moses said to his family, “I have glimpsed a fire. I will bring you some news from it; or bring you a firebrand, that you may warm yourselves.”
8. Then, when he reached it, he was called: “Blessed is He who is in the fire, and He who is around it, and glorified be God, Lord of the Worlds.
9. O Moses, it is I, Allah, the Almighty, the Wise.
10. Throw down your staff.” But when he saw it quivering, as though it were a demon, he turned around not looking back. “O Moses, do not fear; the messengers do not fear in My presence.


God told Moses do not associate me with sacred stones because I hate it, mormor came and said Muslims have to bow towards a sacred stone before they can pray to God.

Deut 16
21 Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God, 22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.

All prophets understood The Messiah is the One to sent to the deliver salvation to the whole world, Islam came and said The Messiah is just a name for Jesus.

Islam is a false religion, the earlier u know this, the better. mentioning that the word Islam in your book means nothing. Joseph Smith said the same thing in the book of Mormon but u Muslims don't follow him.

If u can convincingly refute any of the points I make up there either with any scripture be it Quran or Bible; I will say my shahada tonight.

I repeat, If u can successfully prove that MORMOR is a prophet with the same belief as PREVIOUS PROPHETS either historically or epistemologically; I will denounce Christianity as false.


and to help u understand the gospel of Christ in case u are sincere.
Believing Jesus is God or believing in the Trinity as nothing to do with your salvation. U can believe Jesus is not God and reject Trinity but still make heaven. Those two theology are not the gatekeeper to heaven.
So repeating it here up and down has nothing to do with my salvation, it only depicts your own ignorance to think my Faith in God depends on them.

olat45:
Laughable you'll make a textual quote that not even a weak hadith referenced that the vlack stone is kissed in other to worship it, this shows the shallowness of your knowledge and where you still Agutan Olusho religion you know.

We'll I'll give you some substantial evidence to show thta we don't worship the black stone and not a confused being that call God's creation God, Son and holy spirit ( high level of daftness).

What the authentic hadiths do say is:
The Prophet ﷺ kissed the Black Stone during ṭawāf.
Reported in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
This establishes that kissing the Black Stone is a Sunnah during Hajj or Umrah if one can do so without harming others.

ʿUmar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb (رضي الله عنه) said:
"I know that you are only a stone; you neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Messenger of Allah ﷺ kissing you, I would not have kissed you."
Sahih al-Bukhari (1597) and Sahih Muslim (1270).

This hadith is important because it shows that Muslims kiss the Black Stone only because the Prophet ﷺ did so, not because the stone itself has any independent power.

There is an authentic hadith about the Black Stone's origin:
"The Black Stone descended from Paradise and was whiter than milk, but the sins of the children of Adam made it black."
Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who graded it ḥasan ṣaḥīḥ.

This hadith explains why the stone is black, but it does not say that kissing it erases sins.

Read and stop acting daft

See this olodo.
He be like say this one never jam me, I will force u to doubt that your false religion by the time I finish with u.

Kissing the stone remove sin. It's from your hadith, and on judgement day, it will ask Allah to judge with mercy those who kiss it very well.

U think na by joke people die to kiss the stone. They are hoping the mouth of the black stone will beg for them on judgement day.


It was narrated by at-Tirmidhi (961), who classed it as hasan (good), and by Ahmad (2796), that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said concerning the Black Stone: “By Allah, Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes with which to see and a tongue with which to speak, and it will testify for those who touched it with due respect.”

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Tirmidhi

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See the nonsense they are believing. A stone will be the one telling Allah who should enter paradise and who should not.
But if u tell them The Messiah Son of God will forgive sin or reconcile them with the Father on judgement day, Muslims will throw hands in the air and start shouting shirk !!!!

Una never ready to face the truth in that religion. U people should continue with your deception, when u ready for the truth, we will talk.

olat45:
Most of you're gullible that is why you speak like this way. I'll give you a simple task and I want you to post the result here. Ask ChatGPT does Muslim bow their heads to stone and do they worship it. Once you're done you can get back to me.

I rather believe your own sources than chatGPT. Your hadith says kissing the stone erases sin, that's why people fight and struggle just to kiss the stone.

Muslims will say Moses is a Muslim bla blah bla, yet God clearly told him 'Tell the people not to erect a sacred stone in the land because I hate it'.

I'm sure u will condemn any black person in Africa that erects a stone in his backyard and worship his deity by honoring the stone calling him a pagan; but u would travel to mecca, circumnavigate a black stone, bow before it to worship Allah, then fight the crowd just to kiss it. Yet u are here telling me it's not idolatry.
Eru Arab, pack well. Truth is objective and when u see it embrace it. Associating God with a stone is paganism simple.

I don't need chatgpt to tell me that.

QuinQQ:
All those bad conditions you mentioned (electricity, etc) were all in place yet local manufacturing was thriving. Pople got wealthy from manufacturing back then, before China. They cannot do that today. They couldn't pass theír factories to their children because no one can compete with imports from China!

epileptic power supply became an albatross in manufacturing and production in the early 90s. china wasn't even in the scene then. our imports came from Japan, south korea, indonesia and maybe europe. cHINA became a thing in the 2000s.

poor power supply destroyed manufacturing in nigeria, followed by unstable exchange rate that made importation of raw materials and chemicals very expensive. manufacturing was already dead in Nigeria when china took over. They only made the revival virtually impossible tus manufactuing remained dead.

QuinQQ:
How do you know when this factory closed?? My friend there are thousands of small and medium scale manufacturers that closed because of China



Because no matter how cheap you make it (ceramics in this case) they'll make it cheaper with their slave wages and currency manipulation!
Or they'll sell it for practically nothing (dumping) till the local competitor goes out of business!



Yeeees
China is a huge part of it. All the small and medium scale manufacturers have been forced to close

I think blaming china is just an easy way out. Yes china will impact export potential but definitely not local consumption if good protective policy is in place.

what is killing local production is ELECTRICITY AND POOR GOVT POLICY.
we need very cheap electricity to produce, very cheap and abundant. wage is not a big deal here in naija and regulatory is weak.
but another big issue is erratic govt policy, u are at the mercy of the selfish politician in power. one govt may come and ban importation of ceramics yet another will come and lift the ban because his friend is the largest importer of ceramics to nigeria.
another issue is multiple taxation, once an industry start thriving u start seeing all kinds of revenue agnecy from everywhere demanding cuts or levy, this also doesnt help in anyway.

china is china and they will continue to do what they know how to do best. produce massively but very cheap. nobody can stop them- Trump tried but failed, EU also tried but failed. Nigeria cant stop them.
we just have to build resilience by first becoming self sufficient ourself then working with other serious countries in africa to form a trade bloc. that's the only way out.

lawani:
Your cousin will be a manager in the security company and he must have worked for a long time. The salary will be above 4k pounds per month because how else could he have been able to cough out 100 million naira for a house in Nigeria? A 100 million naira net worth is enough to retire on in Nigeria because without working at all, it can secure you more than 15 million naira per annum as returns on fixed deposit and you can more than live on that. Does it make sense to have that and be doing security work in the UK?

Now, someone earning 150k per month in Nigeria in an average Nigerian city as a single person can be better off than someone on minimum wage in the UK but someone earning 60k in Nigeria can not be better off than the same person.

sit down there dey help someone else calculate him money. He's not manager of any security company. He's just your regular hustler in uk, been there for years. His wife is a nurse, so maybe she helped I dont know. this is open forum so I dont want to share too much personal info.

another cousin of mine in aussie who work as care support just built his own house worth over 100million, another cousin in London who runs a daycare bought a whole 6 flats in mushin for close to 200 million.

The owner of the house I stayed for airbnb in ikeja lives in uk, I asked the manager and he told me he bought it for 80 million in 2022 but now its worth 120 million.- just a flat.
people dey run things una go dey mock them up and down. Even my sister that work as HCA in uk is already hinting she wants to build her house back home- she just arrived 4 yrs ago. talk to property agents in Lagos and see what people abroad are doing with money in Lagos.

Leave people living in uk alone and focus on making Nigeria a better place. I just dont get why that message is too difficult to understand.

make una dey deceive una self. My cousin that work as security in London just bought a house for 100 million naira in Lagos.

How many people earning even 1m per month in naija can dare such.

60k is nothing in Nigeria of today, I just got back and I know what I'm talking about. when I was leaving, I gave my brother's wife 80k as gift, the look in her eyes told me everything- she was disappointed.

pls I'm not advocating for japa in anyway. the world today is a global village and u dont even need to relocate to thrive anymore. Even westerners are running to vietnam and dubai to escape the tax system in the west.
But making all these useless comparison makes no sense, out leaders should sit up and make Nigeria a thriving place for us all.

U want to probe American companies when Donald Trump is in power. I pity u, better ask Jonathan how they rubbished his govt when he demanded Nigerian crude oil should be purchased in naira and not dollar.

Or better still ask Canada wetin trump they take their eye see on top all these Internet companies taxation. Na everyday carney dey apologize to Trump.

Hezmatosky210:
In that same western world, we've seen and heard about womenn calling the police for their husbands just because their husbands did not alow them have peace with their boyfriends, and lastly the man will arrested and thrown out of his house, just to allow his wife enjoy with her boyfriend. Is it also conviction you're talking about? This is an abomination in Africa, equivalent to death

oga no legally married man will be thrown out of his house because his wife is unfaithful. stop with the lies.

The case is usually the couples are divorced or separated and the husband has no right to the joint house anymore. so whatever the ex-wife does with the house is none of his business. same way the ex-wife cannot barge into your new home anymore without your permission.
stop will all this fake victim mentality, the law applies both ways.

example is kanye west demanding to enter the house he paid for to see his kids without first asking permission from the legal occupant of the house- his ex- wife kim kardashian. she refused him entry because she was with her partner when kanye came calling.

Hezmatosky210:
So what are you driving at? We should not pray against temptations?
Joseph was even lucky to escape, because they got him arrested and took him to prison. If not she will get him. What if in a situation where all your livelihood to feed your family depends on that job with that kind of temptation? And there's no way out except you quit the job. Now, tell me what you'll do in this kind of case? Maybe you're a single mother of five, no support from anywhere. Please continue telling me what you'll do o. Or maybe you as a man, you travelled to America and Trump's wife as your MD is wooing you, and she has already promised you heaven and earth including your permanent stay with your family in Nigeria, please what will you do? Remember, nothing happens without God's plans

This is why the black man is the butt of mankind and the world. No respect from anywhere because na anywhere belle face as far as black man is concerned.
Do u even need to be godly to abstain from what u know is evil. Well let me shock u, u don't need God to do what is right all u need is conviction - something a black man lacks.
Muslims girls in France have refused to go to school because they wouldn't allow them wear hijab, Muslims wont take capsule medication because the gelatin in them comes from pork. These are people convinced about their faith and are unyielding irrespective what's thrown at them. That's why Islam is spreading fast here in the west NOT because it's true but because people noticed the conviction.

Oyinbo people don't joke with conviction. Wherever they see one, they respect it. because they themselves know they conquered the whole world thru conviction.
Unfortunately they look at black man and see no evidence of conviction in anything. The black man stands for nothing of value. Black man is ruled by his emotions and how he feels at that moment, nobody respect such character.

Realslimshady:
If it's a Muslim now..... 😂 😂 The comments will be very different. That's why I've learnt not to take you all serious

Nobody stops a Muslim from giving dawah publicly. Nobody cares. Go on social media and see Muslims converting people to Islam publicly. Have u ever seen anyone attack them.
Nothing dey your head, u just want to talk.

olat45:
Madness at its peak.

Why will I worship THE CREATED while THE CREATOR is there. How is that religion different from that of Idol worshipers?

If it were to be Muslims preaching like them, they'll start shouting ISLAMIZATION yen yen

Yeah, you guys worship the so called creator by bowing to a stone 5 times a day. God told Moses,' tell the people never to bow to a stone when worshipping me because I hate it'

U guys are confirmed Idolaters. If Jesus and Moses were around today, they will never join u guys in your pagan prayers because God told them never to bow to a stone.

TheStoriesOfMan:
iShowspeed God is CR7.

He only said "thank you bro" just to beef up your ego but he knows that no CR7, no football.

Anything you time more time to is your God.

I spend time thinking, brainstorming computing,scheming, manipulating and programming activities that will make me and my fellow friends stay off crime and help the society legally.

Brotherhood, peace, identity, progress, love, partnerships and relationships are all my gods.

That's why Argentinian fans told him to return to the zoo. The thing pain and die.
When he was mocking Messi because of his god - CR7, we no hear anything, but when Messi fans came down on him, we started hearing- they are racist bla blah bla

I said it in my previous post but some ignorant ones were attacking me.
This article proves this whole shameless scheme was orchestrated from the top right inside Tinubu's office. Gbaja didn't back this Adeniyi guy alone. That's why they want to use the might of FG to nail the guy.

As I said earlier, this govt is not smart at all. This agency might be one of the many set up to siphon money for next year election. They just chose an overambitious crook who was too greedy for his own good and wanted to milk the opportunity beyond what was assigned to him.

Shame shame shame

Brendaniel:
Just come back and read what you wrote, and this one will be saying he is praying for the progress of Nigeria by supporting Tinubu...

Firstly, You are not angry about the corruption but angry that the corruption was not done well.

Secondly, you are saying if the fraud involves Tinubu himself then nothing should be done, it should be swept under carpet...

No wonder the country is the way it is today, people who think and behave like you are in power now and they have supporters like you who behave like them.

The attention is on gbaja for now, not on BAT. If the spotlight turn on the BAT himself, then we can talk of impeachment proceeding against the President.
I dont jump into conclusion.
Maybe u should advise Gbaja to implicate BAT just like Adeniyi implicated him. That way all doubt will be removed the exact source of the oozing cankerworm of corruption in this administration.

Gbaja no smArt at all. And to think I use to like this guy!!!

In the first place why are u as the COS to presidency running things or dealing with a known fraudster. Someone exposed as a fraud as far back as 2017. Let's say u want to create a spurious govt agency that can be used for miscellaneous purposes, why use someone that has a questionable character for the job.

And what was gbaja thinking making a disclaimer on a fake govt agency that his own office approved it's budgetary allocation. Shows he not detailed or thorough enough as a person. That office is too big for him, he's running it as if he's the governor of one of those backward states in Nigeria, where the action of the governor must never be questioned.

Except this fraud comes from BAT himself, gbaja should be sacked, he's becoming as embarrassment to this govt

Gbaja no smArt at all. And to think I use to like this guy!!!

In the first place why are u as the COS to presidency running things or dealing with a known fraudster. Someone exposed as a fraud as far back as 2017. Let's say u want to create a spurious govt agency that can be used for miscellaneous purposes, why use someone that has a questionable character for the job.

And what was gbaja thinking making a disclaimer on a fake govt agency that his own office approved it's budgetary allocation. Shows he not detailed or thorough enough as a person. That office is too big for him, he's running it as if he's the governor of one of those backward states in Nigeria, where the action of the governor must never be questioned.

Except this fraud comes from BAT himself, gbaja should be sacked, he's becoming as embarrassment to this govt.

franchasng:
European football is dead, all thanks to their tight hold on LGBT that have turned their male youths to what I dont know. Even their military is gone too, reason Russia threatens all of Europe like he is cautioning a toddler.



The world is about to hit the turning point where the former leaders will become slaves, if and only if African leaders would have sense to start leading African nations with focus, sincerity of purpose and eye on the future.



Brazil escaped by luck.

Germany couldn't escape.

Netherlands is out.

Ivory Coast should help us beat Norway.



Morocco will beat Canada to qualify for round of 8.


Finals is between Argentina and France or USA

dont underrate Morocco, they could get to the finals. those guys are solid.

Mods take this to front page, show people that scientist also believe in God
It's not all the time u send Jesus hating post to front page while ignoring believers post

AntiChristian:
Jesus said "Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened". Matthew 24:34


What are "all these things"?
In the context of Matthew 24, "all these things" refers to the signs and events Jesus describes earlier in the chapter, which include:

Wars and rumors of wars
Nation rising against nation
Famines, earthquakes, and natural disasters
Persecution of believers
The appearance of false prophets and messiahs
The preaching of the gospel to all nations
The "abomination of desolation" standing in the holy place
Great tribulation and distress
Cosmic signs like the darkening of the sun and moon, and stars falling from the sky
The coming of the Son of Man in glory

But that generation don pass away tey tey o!

Jesus was talking about the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD

My own shock was the propaganda that the stadiums will be empty due to ticket racketeering and outrageous prices. Instead, the stadiums are filled to the brim, for a country that soccer is not their major sport, it's highly impressive .

if u like go carry beautiful lady put for house without any compatibility and zero emotional connection.

Na your brain go tell u. when u start arguing and fighting everyday over every little small thing.

she wont even submit to u because the submission of a lady is tied to her emotions.

If Satan wan come disgrace u, no come get money. That's when u will understand the definition of rudeness.

I want those Nairaland Jewish boys and whoever thinks Isaiah 53 is not about the Messiah to come here and tell me why Isaiah 53 is no longer read out loud in synagogues.
Why is it that Isaiah 53 is skipped during the public reading of the bible by the Jews in their synagogue.

If Jews are not confused about interpretation of Isaiah 53, why don't they read it during haftarah - public reading of the tanakh.

ften called the “Forbidden Chapter,” Isaiah 53 is a significant source of controversy. Not just between Judaism and Christianity, but even within Judaism itself. Up until Christ came, the Jewish sages and rabbis roundly agreed that Isaiah 53 was a prophecy about the Messiah.

But once the Christian Gospel started to spread, this chapter in Isaiah began to cause problems within Judaism because of its overt resemblance to the life and work of Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah.

According to Eitan Bar, a native Jewish-Israeli scholar:

The 17th-century Jewish historian, Raphael Levi, admitted that long ago the rabbis used to read Isaiah 53 in synagogues, but after the chapter caused “arguments and great confusion” the rabbis decided that the simplest thing would be to just take that prophecy out of the Haftarah1 readings in synagogues. That’s why today when we read Isaiah 52, we stop in the middle of the chapter, and the week after, we jump straight to Isaiah 54.2

—Eitan Bar

Expecting a girl to sleep with u because u bought her food is satanic idea.

So how will u as a guy feel if u hear your sister is bonking any guy that buys food for her. Her body count will break the metre.

Make we guys they reason small small. If u can't afford to buy food for a girl u looking to date, then u have no business thinking of sex or having a partner.

Instead u should go and double your hustle.

But if a herbalist blow a white substance on your face and u become disoriented and confused, that's not juju or jazz.
That's the effect of herbs on you which can be explained, juju cannot be explained.
The herbalist simply came upon a substance that has a numbing effect and this can be replicated by someone else in another place. That is not juju, this is native medicine or whatever u want to call it.

Na the guy dey ignorant, he has no idea what is juju.