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Surah 69:38 Now, I do swear by whatever you see.

Does allah swear by genitals and fecal matters?

LegalWolf:
Sure bro,... will be waiting and lemme know when u hit home. Safe trip

I want to know how this aids your argument. Is this supposed to be a thesis engineered to prove why allah used WE, US, OUR, HE, HIM, etc?

Even your hadith missed that point cos' the people at the time were polytheists. They continued black magic too. And, no one would dare question the quran lest he's killed.

So, why do you run to Yoruba language with low vocabulary. Did you know that the Yoruba language is limited in vocabulary in comparison to other languages? That is why it is easier to learn and teach.

Your points are absolute smear to sensibility. You do not know how to construct them to fit your narrative. The nerve to compare Yoruba to Arabic. Arabic is well founded and has endured civilisation. There is no reason why allah with be fluctuating pronouns and rotating it like a confused transvestite.

LegalWolf:
If we take this as a continuation of where we stopped, still you are not making sense sir. At which time did those languages not have enough vocabulary?

The exact example I gave, it was made in the a palace in Kwara South (quite a popular town I would not want to mention) when I accompanied a prince to the palace and they were even teasing me that I am now Yoruba. I do not know too much about Yoruba royalty but that was what was said at the Palace that year. But then again, the point is - that is a Language convention you cannot deny

I am home. Let's get into it.

LegalWolf:
Sure bro,... will be waiting and lemme know when u hit home. Safe trip

LegalWolf:
If we take this as a continuation of where we stopped, still you are not making sense sir. At which time did those languages not have enough vocabulary?

That is why I told you to take lessons before coming to me because you will mess yourself up. At what time did those languages lack enough vocabulary? I will tell you. In the 8th century when the caliphates invaded their territories. https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/12/19/Know-how-Western-languages-were-inspired-by-Arabic-

I posted a link so that your fellow muslims can teach you. Hope that you learn and quit being an ignorant slowpoke

LegalWolf:
I want to assume this is not what you want to respond to. Or have you bloodied that you are so confused on which thread to respond to> You are doomed today and even yhwh would not help

NOTE: I suspect this is a wrong quote, I will go back to the original thread and continue from there

on the wheels. Will get hime soon

LegalWolf:
Brother Nyamuri, one have to actually persevere when dealing with this lots because like I told you, they do not care about the truth and are empty airheads. This mor0n lied about Islam in order to prove a non-existent point and when he was caught (and clearly knows that there is no where to hide) see what he shameless said.

Sorry for the mentions and drawing your attention to it, I will do what I told you soon. And please have a wonderful evening ahead.

Shukran akhi

nyamuri come and I will show you what your prophet did. He was bisexual. Homosexuality became zina only when the British arrived Arabia

LegalWolf:
Brother Nyamuri, one have to actually persevere when dealing with this lots because like I told you, they do not care about the truth and are empty airheads. This mor0n lied about Islam in order to prove a non-existent point and when he was caught (and clearly knows that there is no where to hide) see what he shameless said.

Sorry for the mentions and drawing your attention to it, I will do what I told you soon. And please have a wonderful evening ahead.

Shukran akhi

Call him and his head will also get smashed. There will be more revelations from the quran

LegalWolf:
Lol, you just typed nonsense. You see are deceptive. First of all, you have refused countlessly to acknowledged that YOU LIED IN ORDER TO ATTACK ISLAM despite being called out so many times for it. Secondly, all you typed here is just gibberish. Complete nonsense. I made Yoruba example because I suspected you were a Southerner and the only southern language I speak is Yoruba. If not, I would have made reference to Hausa which is in the same Afro-Asiatic class as both Arabic and Hebrew. Thirdly, just for academic purpose, can you kindly list out the 9 Languages you have good command of, please?

Hahaha here in the North you are also a southerner. Tinubu is running onna southern ticket. I don't understand this misconceptions about southerner and how it corelates here.

Sir, it is morphing into a child's play

LegalWolf:
I scrolled up and I am just seeing this post. You didnt quote or tag me. I accept any challenge you throw to the extent that you keep to the rules of engagement. But please clarify the Question I asked earlier and try to make sure that all your responses is in one posts.

You can use headlines if you have so many topics to deal with at the same time. Yhwh cannot save, on G!

I have tagged your lifeless handle on many threats and you pretend to be blind. Which is an exemplification of what you are spiritually so, it doesn't make ant difference

LegalWolf:
When giving the profile of Al-Haythami, and in order to justify the strength of your authority, you wrote and I quote

'...He was a respected islamic studies graduate, an islamic scholar, trained by a respected islamic guru. All his works were solely on Islamic education and studies. Moreover, his work was based on eyewitness report. He went further to provide the names of the eyewitnesses to authenticate his hadith. To concretize his respectable work, he was a contemporary of Mohammed and he lived within the vicinity of Saudi Arabia. He was closer to Mohammed that Al Bukhari. Therefore, his eyewitnesses were no strangers to Mohammed. According to Islamic history, that scholar remained a devout and righteous muslims until his death.'

You suggested that: (1) Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet and (2) relied on eye-witnesses who saw the prophet. Let's even assume you do not know 2 is false, you clearly know 1 is not true and you lied. Is that not correct?


And again, to tell you how dedicated I am to this topic, clarify on my question on how the debate should go regarding the Quran. Reference to Sunnah or not? Explanation or Not?. Lastly, list out the 9 Languages u speak

I said what I said. No apologies. Spread your legs apart and Shove it inside your A. Who bloody cares?

LegalWolf:
Like I said, you cannot debate me. You do not have the credentials neither is your pastor or even the pope. You have already started spamming my mentions again. The rule of engagement which we AGREED to (remember I asked you to make proposals but you did not) is for only one mention so everything will be clear and we have sight of all issues. After being caught pants down lying, you have already started spamming my mentions and digressing. Even from what you quoted, I was still telling you that isn't it tidier that all our responses is in one message. But here we are. You cannot run and hide

I will oblige you on this one. Here is the problem. You are not a linguist and neither do you have intricate knowledge of language. I speak Fulfude and Yoruba quite fluently and I confirm that even in YORUBA language, such speaking convention is well know. 'O' vs 'E' and 'WON' 'AWA' can be used to show deference.

A king, when referring to himself, can say 'awa la pase' (we are the ones who made the order) whereas he is the one who made the order and he is referring to himself alone. You don't and you are unwilling to know. I can't educate you for free. Your school did not, why should I?

Please if your yhwh tells you keep to agreement, why don't we go back to our AGREED rule of engagement

Is allah a king or a God?

Meanwhile the royal WE is used BY DECEITFUL HUMAN ROYALS and Monarchs. All these are man-made. Is allah too? I speak Yoruba and I am Yoruba too. There is not a single Yoruba royalty who would use E' or 'WON', or 'AWA as a title or as a way of stating his authority.

Why not try it in other languages and hear the resounding stupidity in this? Moreover Arabic is a language of civilisation and as a matter of fact, Arabic ia so whole that it complemented Portuguese and Spanish. Those languages didn't have enough vocabulary at the time.

Why is the hadiths not consistent with your point?

LegalWolf:
Lol, you just typed nonsense. You see are deceptive. First of all, you have refused countlessly to acknowledged that YOU LIED IN ORDER TO ATTACK ISLAM despite being called out so many times for it. Secondly, all you typed here is just gibberish. Complete nonsense. I made Yoruba example because I suspected you were a Southerner and the only southern language I speak is Yoruba. If not, I would have made reference to Hausa which is in the same Afro-Asiatic class as both Arabic and Hebrew. Thirdly, just for academic purpose, can you kindly list out the 9 Languages you have good command of, please?

I am a southerner. Whatever you call me, I am. We must dwell on this haha. Explain to me how I lied.

LegalWolf:
Like I said, you cannot debate me. You do not have the credentials neither is your pastor or even the pope. You have already started spamming my mentions again. The rule of engagement which we AGREED to (remember I asked you to make proposals but you did not) is for only one mention so everything will be clear and we have sight of all issues. After being caught pants down lying, you have already started spamming my mentions and digressing. Even from what you quoted, I was still telling you that isn't it tidier that all our responses is in one message. But here we are. You cannot run and hide

I will oblige you on this one. Here is the problem. You are not a linguist and neither do you have intricate knowledge of language. I speak Fulfude and Yoruba quite fluently and I confirm that even in YORUBA language, such speaking convention is well know. 'O' vs 'E' and 'WON' 'AWA' can be used to show deference.

A king, when referring to himself, can say 'awa la pase' (we are the ones who made the order) whereas he is the one who made the order and he is referring to himself alone. You don't and you are unwilling to know. I can't educate you for free. Your school did not, why should I?

Please if your yhwh tells you keep to agreement, why don't we go back to our AGREED rule of engagement

You are no one to teach me languages, Sir. This man right here is an international father. I speak 9 languages comfortably. You are still in a local sewer and I have transcended that decades ago. You are talking to someone who speaks languages that fed the English language.

Why do you compare Arabic to Yoruba? Let me tell you something about the formation of language grammaticalization and language anthropology. The paradigm of linguistic rules are set by geography, civilization and incorporation of elements that evolves phonological syntax. Arabic is an offspring of Aramaic, syriac, Hebrew, and possibly Amharic.

You cannot argue that Arabic lost all the vocabulary and grammatical rules of the languages that birthed it. That is implausible. It is impossible to juxtapose Arabic with Yoruba. Only a language seedling like you can imagine that. By the time Arabic was popularized, the only thing largely missing were the diacritics forming the vowelizations which is also missing in Aramaic. And, by the 2nd century there are treasure troves of works that had already incorporated vowel letters in copied scripts.

The Arabic language at the time had seen civilisations that should have supplied it tons of vocabulary to buff the language. From literary works, you response if shitty. All islamic literary works never had the same mistakes that you are defending in the quran. Why?

Must must it be that the hadiths that followed the quran do not have the same problems that you defend the quran for? Go and fool your mullah. Never you compare Yoruba to Arabic again. Compare Arabic to Farsi, syriac and Hebrew.

And, do not disappear now. Cos' I have seen you online for the past 45 minutes. You suddenly saw my mentions and ran away with whatever you were typing because you are getting surprising shocks from me now. You will need another full week in absentia to interrogate your mullah.

You better post that stuff you were typing and stay on. It is a weekend and a holiday so your claim of busy work is irrelevant. I challenge you to a quran only conversation verses and a Bible only conversation. We will take it as we see it in these two books. Deal?

Which shafi'i? Who inspired him? See, the people writing these apocrypha are not Christians to us. We do not refer to them puritans and I am not combative. I lost interest in the entire thing cos you are playing a dirty rat game.
I am calm for a conversation if you will stick to your own rule.

Bro, you do not seem to know me deeply. I can decide to put aside all these Hadiths and stick to the quran all through our conversation. But, the problem we will have is you telling me that allah is senseless and then attempt to inject sense into allah's brain.

If you can promise that whatever I show you in the quran is the truth, acclaim it, and never need to proffer exegesis, I can take you up on that offer and we will surely enjoy this ride.

Nevertheless, if you ever refer me to a hadith or your islamic commentary or explanation, I will consider it a breach.

Deal?

LegalWolf:
I was busy over the week but not as much as that over the weekend. Moreover tomorrow is a public holiday. Now to my question. Did you lie that Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet in view of what you wrote that I quoted above. Yes or no I noticed a change of demeanor from being combative to calm. What is going on? I love this side of you but don't run. I am not tossing any scholar aside.

Okay let us put it this way. Since you know Islam and you are taking me on on the subject, Would you accept if I point you to authorities of even the Shafi'i madhab that says the hadith under reference is false? On the other hand, you would just point to ONE OTHER CREDIBLE SOURCE from the six major collectors of hadith who reported the hadith under reference (in any form whatsoever). Is that fine by you?

But would it not be sheer hypocrisy, logically speaking, for you to reject apocrypha stories but want to force the same fabricated stories down my throat?

Christianity is indefensible... This is just me making answering your own topic of the debate. We haven't moved to the authorship of the bible neither have we discussed doctrinal issues which I am so keen to talk about

LegalWolf:
Just a little digression - now that all explanations are under, isn't it tidier?

To your question - It seems you're clutching to straws. Again, Al-Haythami has knowledge of Allah and the above narration you quoted exists is in the imagination of those who fabricated it. Simple as that. The Musnad is weak and it was not even reported by ANY of the six leading of scholars of hadith (in any form).

But then again, I asked you two questions which have you not responded to. In order to establish the credibility of your source, you claimed that Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet. Do you acknowledge that is a LIE FABRICATED by you WITHOUT ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE to back it up?

Surah 72:23˹My duty is˺ only to convey ˹the truth˺ from Allah and ˹deliver˺ His messages.” And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger will certainly be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there for ever and ever.

So, if you disobey mohammed, you will rot in the fire of hell. Allah's mercy cannot save you from Mohammed. Mohammed has equal authority as allah. Hahahaha.

Do you believe in allah's mercy?

LegalWolf:
Just a little digression - now that all explanations are under, isn't it tidier?

To your question - It seems you're clutching to straws. Again, Al-Haythami has knowledge of Allah and the above narration you quoted exists is in the imagination of those who fabricated it. Simple as that. The Musnad is weak and it was not even reported by ANY of the six leading of scholars of hadith (in any form).

But then again, I asked you two questions which have you not responded to. In order to establish the credibility of your source, you claimed that Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet. Do you acknowledge that is a LIE FABRICATED by you WITHOUT ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE to back it up?

Surah 69:44-47 Had the Messenger made up something in Our Name, We would have certainly seized him by his right hand, then severed his aorta, and none of you could have shielded him ˹from Us˺!

Hahaha look at your quran exposing you allah hiding behind THEIR curtain.
OUR name. Who does allah share his name with?

Surah 69:38 Now, I do swear by whatever you see.

Does allah swear by genitals and fecal matters?

Balerion:
No doubt you Christians are good are evading questions that you cannot answer. Show me the verse where Jessus practised capentary, and I'll explain the verse you quoted

Surah 69:38 Now, I do swear by whatever you see.

Does allah swear by genitals and fecal matters?

Your mates are out there marching and you are cooking for a Nigeria that has failed you

Balerion:
You proved your point with the Bible, just know that he was more than a carpenter (though I doubt it) cos all the prophets at a point in their life were shepherds

Not all prophets were shepherds. We didn't read about Daniel being a shepherd. Jesus is the son of God. The second most powerful and important being in the universe.

LegalWolf:
Lol, Mr. Hypocrite. There is no hole for you to hide. I will make three points in response to you.

POINT ONE

These are your words:

'...He [Al- Haythami] was a respected islamic studies graduate, an islamic scholar, trained by a respected islamic guru. [b]All his works were solely on Islamic education and studies. Moreover, his work was based on eyewitness report. He went further to provide the names of the eyewitnesses to authenticate his hadith. To concretize his respectable work, he was a contemporary of Mohammed and he lived within the vicinity of Saudi Arabia. He was closer to Mohammed that Al Bukhari. Therefore, his eyewitnesses were no strangers to Mohammed. [/b]According to Islamic history, that scholar remained a devout and righteous muslims until his death.' (first bracket mine).

As any sensible person can see, you went ahead to demonstrate that He (Al-Haythami), in this circumstance was both a contemporary of the prophet and gathered reports from eyewitnesses who were also contemporaneous with the prophet. Therefore, you want us to believe you.
BUT YOU LIED. THESE ARE YOUR WORDS NOT MINE and you deliberately presented falsehood to give your authority more weight than it deserves. Back to just the question I asked you, from what you type which I quoted above, did you lie that Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet. Yes or no?

POINT TWO

I know you don't know and are more blinded by hate than anything. But I will just throw you a challenge - point to ONE weak hadith (that there is consensus of Islamic Scholars on) that the 'eye witness' did not hear or see the prophet. JUST ONE . And have you ever heard of what they call 'science of hadith' before?

I have more knowledge of christianity than you have of Islam. You do not know a single word of Arabic. More pathetic, your fable book called bible was originally written in Greek not the language the purported authors speak. More worrisome is that you know no modern Greek not to talk of the Byzantium Greek the bible was written and you have the nerve to debate. You must be insane.

POINT THREE
Lets even assume without conceding that you want us to accept a dhaif (or probably Maudhu hadith), would you be willing to accept criticism of Christianity if I rely on Apocrypha books? Like how Mary had a date with the idi0tic yhwh and how her breasts was fondled in the book of bartholomew? Or make references to more absurd stories?

If you want to use fake ahadith to discredit the prophet, you should be willing to let me use apocrypha books to discredit an already discredited yhwh and Christianity. Don't you think two can play the game?

I thought you were so busy with work. You seem to love this subject. No excuses at all. You make time to respond. Meanwhile, you hadith said that he heard from the eyewitnesses. You just didn't expect that logic from me hahaha. It stunned you a bit.

Well, you the one who is more knowledgeable than the scholars might seem to have more fables like your scholars. You know Arabic. Applause! If your Arabian scholar could be tossed under a moving bus by you, who are you, then to speak the truth of allah to me? How can I ascertain that your knowledge is allah's?

You are dragging the apocrypha's ears and I do not accept it nor will I ever pay attention to it. It is not the Bible that Mohammed confirmed was from God.

Did mohammed thigh aisha as a minor, YES or NO?

Jesus WAS KNOWN all over as a carpenter. It was not a secret. In fact, he was referred as his tradename.

Matthew 13:55 (ESV)
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Mark 6:3 (ESV)
Is not this[b] the carpenter[/b], the son of Mary and brother of James and Joseph and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

I will NEVER evade a question from a Muslim. Never. If you want a stand still debate I can provide such services and according to your terms. We can swim in that sludge. The above verse are up for read. He took up his stepfather's profession after his death to provide for the family.

You also need to read LUKE 5:1-7 to see that Jesus also went fishing in a boat. He worked for decent living. He didn't kill and eat the fruit of blood.

You will explain the verse to me? Hahaha you surely thrive in ludicrousity. Let us see how you perform. Ride on!

Balerion:
No doubt you Christians are good are evading questions that you cannot answer. Show me the verse where Jessus practised capentary, and I'll explain the verse you quoted

hahaha

godoluwa:
So na Obi be power supply company ABI


There's no way person go support APC n sound sensible

Try harder

Read the Hadith again.
In the Hadith, was quoting an eye-witness WHO SAW MOHAMMED. If mohammed had not lived an immorally reckless life and eventually dying on a teenager during an all-night sex romp, he would have lived as long as those eyewitnesses to meet the scholar. I am only quoting your book.

I am not debating you, Sir. I tried to but you are not the type. Your mates are in the cells. I see the kind of debate that you are accustomed to.

Do you accept that mohammed die during active service on a teenager?

LegalWolf:
Just a little digression - now that all explanations are under, isn't it tidier?

To your question - It seems you're clutching to straws. Again, Al-Haythami has knowledge of Allah and the above narration you quoted exists is in the imagination of those who fabricated it. Simple as that. The Musnad is weak and it was not even reported by ANY of the six leading of scholars of hadith (in any form).

But then again, I asked you two questions which have you not responded to. In order to establish the credibility of your source, you claimed that Al-Haythami was a contemporary of the prophet. Do you acknowledge that is a LIE FABRICATED by you WITHOUT ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE to back it up?

Surah 69:36-37 nor any food except ˹oozing˺ pus, which none will eat except the evildoers.”

Will evil doers continue to eat in hell?

AntiChristian:
I need verses on who were the customers of Jesus your carpenter in the Bible?

Which verse says he practiced carpentry to survive?

And Moses was a shepherd when he was moving about with the people?

You are a liar!

Most of them were shepherds for sometime of their life.

They weren't that for long!

The world of gays or...?

Urheadmaster:
Pussy rule the world

with pestle, yeah?

Karen2024:
She should be allowed to rape him back

He PRODUCED?? In an ELECTION?? PRODUCED??

And, how did his production perform??

If his production were Toyota cars, by now it would have been recalled. Right?

ofuonyebi:
This man called Emilokan is full of intelligent
He remains the most and best political planner and strategist Nigeria ever had
the results are all over the country...
A man who produced a PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT AT THE SAME TIME
A man who has produced many Senators, Reps members, governors, fed ministers etc

while he keep planning victory day and night, the Obi supporters are busy abusing him and seeking alliance with aimless wike
while the Atifkus are entangle in a battle of wits with arrogant Wike..

Cant you see the handwriting that BAT will soon be celebrating electoral victory come 2023

He is not the only one talking. Blame the one giving him the platform to talk too much

xpressionx:
Reno Mockery talks too much sha

Who might know?

LegalWolf:
MODIFIED: I don’t know if it the knowledge of Satan. and more importantly, the narration you’re quoting exist in the figment of your imagination

islam agrees that there is good and bad.
since it is not the knowledge of allah, is it the knowledge of Satan?

LegalWolf:
No.