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Sahih Bukhari 4:54:417
from Abu Salama bin `Abdur-Rahman who had a dispute with some people on a piece of land, and so he went to `Aisha and told her about it. She said, "O Abu Salama, avoid the land, for Allah's Messenger said, 'Any person who takes even a span of land unjustly, his neck shall be encircled with it down seven earths.' "

Muslims have taught that Satan was created in the 7th earth but he worked his way up to heaven as a result of his GOOD deeds.

At that time, the seventh earth (Jahannam) was not an eternal place of torment. It was the location WHERE allah created Satan (shaytan). So, allah made Satan with the fire in Jahannam. That place is not referred to as HELLFIRE by muslims. So, Satan was created in hellfire with the fire inside of it. let that sink in. He took this hellfire to the heavens through good deeds. And he was with God and all the angels in heaven with this fire still burning allah and other angels.

The reason why he was thrown out of heaven with the hellfire of which he was made is because he refused to bow to Adam who was created in and was living in heaven. Now, Satan was created to destroy the creations that were living on earth before Adam and Even came to earth.

So, where is this seventh earth Jahannam where Satan is? Guess what! Muslim scholars out of desperation have claimed that The Seven "Earths" refer to the layers that literally make up the Earth

1. crust
2. lithosphere
3. upper mantle
4. astenoshpere ("sic"
5. lower mantle
6. outer core
7. inner core

OR they could refer to the "7 Continents" (in the context that "al-ard" means ground)

1. North America
2. South America
3. Australia
4. Asia
5. Africa
6. Antarctica
7. Europe

The lies that they have told over the centuries are beginning to unravel and the heat is just too much that they just want to kill you for exposing them.
If you quote the Quran, they claim that you are disrespecting it but they are the ones asking you to read it to find the truth for yourself and not to listen to others. I am confused. I have read it, and I can't tell what I have read.

BrokenEggShell:
I am not a Muslim. A quick cursory glance at my profile will reveal as much.
Moreover, I have already specified that I do not care where you get your information, so my answer to your rhetorical question would obviously be "no".
Finally, your last paragraph reads like a conspiracy theory. To my knowledge, both sides have, regrettably, had a long and rich history of engaging in shitslinging fights over petty details and ritual practices. For one more antiquated example on the side of Christianity: "Lex Mahumet pseudoprophete, a Latin translation of the Qur'an by Rpbert of Ketton in 1110 AD. Even the title alone should be enough to tell you about how fairly and favorably the religion was portrayed. Anyways, my initial statement was that "...in my experience, Christians are especially annoying when they are trying to "debunk" Islam". I latter added to that statement by stating that Christians have a lot of anti-Muslim content on YouTube as an example.


This is a very strange response. I said that I have no way of confirming any ornate details you tell me about yourself, because we are on the internet. You respond by providing me with even more details about yourself. Not to discredit you, but my point is that this is all irrelevant to me because, again, I have no way of actually confirming it. If this was a less "academic" discussion I would be able to ignore this point and believe you anyway just to be nice, but, since this is an academic discussion, I cannot do that.



I'm not a Muslim.




Actually, it is not that uncommon for a speaker of a language to know relatively little academically about the grammar of said language. As an example, the average American cannot tell you what a relative clause is in a sentence, even though English makes frequent use of them. It's certainly not something that I would expect anybody walking on the road to know about, because it's linguistic jargon.

Well, what resources DO you know about? I stated that the etymology is uncertain because the claims that I've seen on its etymology are either outlandish or uncertain; that is, there is no satisfactory proof. Explain specifically what your problem is with this statement.




Unfortunately, almost everything is wrong here.

Not all Modern European Languages are from Latin. The Uralic languages like Finnish, Sami, and Hungarian are not actually from Latin at all. English is not from Latin, either: It is actually a Germanic language, alongside German, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, etc. Greek is not from Latin - indeed, it was written even before Latin was, so that wouldn't make any sense (you even brought up Greek so I'm surprised you even made such a statement). Albanian is not from Latin either. These are all European languages, all modern, all currently spoken.

The Romans never majorly spoke Greek. Greek was the language of education so rich, educated people spoke and wrote in Greek - the same way that people of all tongues wrote predominantly in Latin in the medieval period. If the Romans majorly spoke Greek as you propose, there would be a lot more Greek daughter languages than there are Roman languages, but that is not the case.

Modern Hebrew is not a derivative of Aramaic. Hebrew as we know it was basically a dead language by the time Jesus was alive, so he spoke Aramaic, but they still spoke Biblical Hebrew liturgically - in their recitations and prayers. Modern Hebrew was made when many Hebrew groups in diaspora eventually settled into Israel and all agreed to use Hebrew as the lingua franca. Aramaic is RELATED to Hebrew, but Hebrew does not come from it, in the same way that Spanish and French are related but Spanish does not come from French. This does not require any knowledge in linguistics to know, just historical knowledge.

Arabic did not "come up" in the third or fifth century, it just wasn't recorded until then. The next thing I will hear you say now is that Yoruba did not exist until the white men came to Africa.

You have said enough. To this point of Taqiyya, I bow to you.
You came to the point of disowning your own faith because you just cannot prove a religious point. I thank you for your time. Since you are no longer a muslim, I guess my mission is accomplished.

Well, let us see why you will delete me.

IRSYAD AL-FATWA SERIES 297 : WHOEVER INSULTED THE PROPHET PBUH SHOULD BE PROSECUTED?
Defending the Prophet PBUH is a Part of the Perfection of Iman (Faith)

Mukadimah

The issue of the insult towards the Prophet PBUH and Ummul Mu’minin Aisyah R.Anha is a serious and grave matter. Allah SWT states:

وَمِنْهُمُ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ النَّبِيَّ وَيَقُولُونَ هُوَ أُذُنٌ ۚ قُلْ أُذُنُ خَيْرٍ لَّكُمْ يُؤْمِنُ بِاللَّهِ وَيُؤْمِنُ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَرَحْمَةٌ لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنكُمْ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ

“And among them are those who abuse the Prophet and say, "He is an ear." Say, "[It is] an ear of goodness for you that believes in Allah and believes the believers and [is] a mercy to those who believe among you." And those who abuse the Messenger of Allah - for them is a painful punishment.”

Surah al-Taubah (61)
Hence, each Muslim is obligated to love the Prophet PBUH, for loving him completes our faith (iman). From Anas bin Malik RA, the Prophet PBUH said:

ثَلاَثٌ مَنْ كُنَّ فِيهِ وَجَدَ حَلاَوَةَ الإِيمَانِ: أَنْ يَكُونَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَحَبَّ إِلَيْهِ مِمَّا سِوَاهُمَا، وَأَنْ يُحِبَّ المَرْءَ لاَ يُحِبُّهُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ، وَأَنْ يَكْرَهَ أَنْ يَعُودَ فِي الكُفْرِ كَمَا يَكْرَهُ أَنْ يُقْذَفَ فِي النَّارِ

“Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Whoever possesses the (following) three qualities will have the sweetness of faith (1): The one to whom Allah and His Apostle becomes dearer than anything else; (2) Who loves a person and he loves him only for Allah's Sake; (3) who hates to revert to atheism (disbelief) as he hates to be thrown into the Fire."

Sahih al-Bukhari (16) and Sahih Muslim (43)

Among the methods to show our belief and love in the Prophet PBUH is to do what the companions of the Prophet PBUH and Salaf al-Soleh did, which is by defending him even through force. From Saidina Umar al-Khattab, there was an incident where a man was found guilty for insulting the Prophet PBUH. Thus, Saidina Umar sentenced him to death. Then, Saidina Umar said:

مَنْ سَبَّ ٱللّٰهَ أَوْ سَبَّ أَحَدًا مِنَ ٱلأَنْبِيَآءِ فَاقْتُلُوْهُ

“Whoever insults Allah SWT, or insults one of the prophets, then kill him.”

Refer al-Saif al-Maslul ‘ala Man Sabba al-Rasul ﷺ (pg.124) by Imam Taqiyuddin al-Subki

Gourdoinc:
delete you keh. Why will I want to do that to someone whose opinion is mean for the thrash bin. Take a look at the thread , how many people are viewing or commenting on I despite how provocative it is.

Get a loud speaker and shout it. Writing it isn't enough. Go to the street and share your opinion.

haha go to the street?? I know what is in your mind
I do not need many people to come here to comment. I need you, Gourdoinc to read this to see how sardonic your teachings are.
I am not here to promulgate provocative theories. I come with facts

hahaha you are inviting trouble.
they just can't
the more they post, the more they get exposed.

Kobojunkie:
Can you please post the entire verse in context please so we have a better understanding of the context from which this was supposedly lifted.

But, this is not the subject matter is it?

uthlaw:
Jesus never go to church you people are going today!

hahahaha
that is always the shocker when fact is spilled. You will question until your head gets beheaded.
I asked my ex-manager who was trying to convert me to Islam only one question and I thank God that I survived it.

Samfloxin:
The quoted verses are incoherent,who even wrote the Quran sef? The story looks fictitious

No one is insulting what Islam itself teaches.
I am helping to spread Islam. Just because you cannot twist and coin tweak my point does not make me a hater. You just cannot handle the fact and all you want to do is hush me or delete me just as you all have done from time immemorial.

Just admit the fact and own it

Gourdoinc:
There is no need for this. Refrain from insulting the religions and beliefs of people.

Come on, bro! The girl in this case i a victim. She was in a space without the protection of her parent's without her parent's consent. Absolutely different from Chrisland girl.
Whatever she is, the premise in which this event happened does not absolve the security agents of the guilt. You must be a pedophile to be counting the bodies on these girls. I spit on your filthy face

MuslimIgbo:
You can't trust these girls...

Some are very very SLUT-MINDED, irrespective of their class and status....
Many have had sexual exposures even before they reached puberty... (I BLAME PARENTS).
REMEMBER THAT 9 YEARS OLD CHRISLAND GIRL...

An average Nigerian girl between 21-28 with tertiary education exposure has between 3-8 BODYCOUNT, INCLUDING AT LEAST ONE MARRIED MAN.

She might have been pregnant or trying to fucƙ her way out and since she was in custody, THERE WAS NO ACCESS TO THE DRUG THEY USE LIKE CHEWING GUM (POST... 2)

Sura 2:102
“They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut.

Sahih International
And they followed [instead] what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah . And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.

Allah sent two angels Harut and Marut to teach humans evil magic. And, he says that he will not give them Jannah if they buy the magic. He went ahead to teach them anyway.

How merciful is allah in this regard?

To say the least, Ibn Kathir, one of the most renowned of the Islamic world, actually disagrees with the Quran on this. haha. The keep tearing themselves apart but because all these were in Arabic, we were deprived for so long to see it.

It is shocking to see the lies they have been telling for centuries.
You can't believe how many stay blind and believing all these nonsense.
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BrokenEggShell:
E pain you .
I never even said it was YOU that did X and Y, I said that in my experience Christians do such things to Muslims with more fervour and passion than vice-versa. Just look up one or two Muslim videos on YouTube and the next thing you will start seeing is Christians "debunking" Islam en masse, but watching Christian videos you will rarely if ever see Muslim content. You never said where you did or did not get your information, so how should I know? I didn't check whether you copy and pasted.

Regardless of where I get it, is it fact or fiction? You want to know where I get the pieces of information that references your own hadith and Quran. What did I just say, Hadith and Quran? Oh, yes! How did you miss that? I quoted the Quran, didn't I? Your job should have been to verify it with the Quran you have in your possession.

To your claim that Christians discredit Islam, No Sir! Muslims over the decade have build up this preemptive wall to malign Christians and the discredit the Bible as spurious and adulterated. The built the wall so high to keep blind Muslims from considering the Bible and they took it 10 steps further to Christians and began amplifying all the narratives not only on megaphones but on television. Initially, they had a pass because these things were written and said in Arabic which was a strange language to almost everyone except the Muslim population. Overtime things went global and the internet connected liberal and ex-muslims with the academia. At that point one man discovered a thing, others want to break the ground to discover more. And, the movement exposed the many lies told by Muslim scholars. It then became an object of mockery. Because, the oil money attracted strangers to the Arab world, who then learned Arabic and have a copy of the Quran. I have 2 Qurans in my possession. One of my Arab friends moved out of our flat and left his Quran as an overload or excess. As I helped him pack, I told him to put his Quran in his suitcase but he asked me to keep it. It shows the utter lack of reverence he has for the Quran. This man took every essential but the Quran wasn't one of them as he moved to the UK for good.
The lies told by Muslims scholars overtime and made the Quran so illustrious is causing a damaging effect on Islam right now.

BrokenEggShell:
Anyway, your attempts to possibly scare me off with your fake chestpuffing and "credentials" is completely fruitless, since we both know that I cannot verify whatever you are saying. This is the internet, so you or I could be lying about whatever claims we brag about. Thus, I do not care what credentials you may or may not have, since the information that you posted could be acquired by anyone on the internet who is diligent enough to read a few articles.

If I wanted to scare anyone off, I would even post a thing to begin with. I take outta my busy hours to do this. I say no lie. I worked In Arabia for 3 consecutive years and supposedly, I should know a thing or two, one would expect. From My expression you can tell if I am a copy and paste guy. Not to scare you off. I am not a scarecrow. I invited you to the conversation so why scare you? It is not a do or die affair. I do not hate Muslims. I live in the north and I love them. I have great friends who are Muslims. We argue and we fight over some topics but we are grown men. We keep our differences aside and take qawha

BrokenEggShell:
I don't take Islamic certified sources as automatic proof because they are obviously going to be biased towards an interpretation that would serve their religion, so the chances of truthful, unclouded research being done by Islamic sources on a word with as much religious important as Salah is very tiny. I would rather listen to Afroasiatic, Semitic, or Arabic linguists' opinions on the matter, preferably with papers for me to read and actually examine the claims. This is where most of my information on Arabic comes from, after all. If I ever considered Islamic certified sources, it would be rarely, when they somehow coincide with any other research I might be doing. Hence my claims on the actual meaning of the root being unknown.

Bro, you cannot dictate a thing regarding your religion. That I know. Your Mufassir must be your guide. You may say what you want online but in the circle of Islam, you must follow the rulings or have yourself responsible for whatever ensues. Your job is to follow and not to question. If you do not take your Tafsir as automatic proof, that is fine. But, in this case I am not even quoting a Mufassir, I am quoting the Quran and the Hadith. Which is an autocratically accepted truth in the Islam.

BrokenEggShell:
This is not my explanation in the sense that it isn't an explanation at all. I simply stated that the etymology is uncertain. Most Islamic claims about the etymology are unfounded and far-fetched, and I have yet to see any convincing phonological justification for the core root meanings people have proposed. Is this too difficult for you to understand?

If it is difficult for an Arabic speaker like me to understand, how could you yourself? I am a polyglot. I speak about 9 languages. I have been about. I am not here to brag but at least, I can read and speak Arabic. I was taught and I can understand. I wonder what it is that you want to present that ranks above my range of understanding.
Let's put it this way, if it is too difficult for your to explain, it simply means that you have ran out of ways to coin it. It is just above your level of sophistry. The reason why you have this much difficulty is because, you do not know how much resources I have or know. You would have simply coined this neatly to a lame head dude. The more you try to explain it, the farther you create another message that you may find hard to rewind. You have now gone 3 steps already discrediting your scholars on the internet. That is a huge problem created by you already. Because the tafsir that you are posting here was also written by another Mufassir who has tried to defend the Quran using that logic. Now, discrediting scholars, means discrediting the same guy whose tafsir is your comment.

BrokenEggShell:
Your pet theory about Arabic being derived from Aramaic is laughable. I hope you are not just spitting nonsense here? Aramaic and Arabic are related, so they will obviously be similar in some ways, but that is not enough to prove that one comes from the other. A word being borrowed from one language to the other doesn't mean the entire language is from the other language. Igbo borrowed the word osikapa from Hausa shikanfa in pre colonial times, but those two are not linguistically related at all at all. English borrows words from other languages all the time too. If that etymology is correct (and the image only says it is PROBABLY correct), then since we know there were Jews living in Pre-Islamic Arabia, he could have gotten it from one of them. Same way the word "Injil" probably comes from the word evangelion in Greek, which just means "Gospel". Your picture doesn't prove what you are suggesting.

Okay bro, tell me the origin of the Arabic language.
Modern European languages are derivatives of the Roman Latin.
Hebrew is a derivative of Aramaic. Now think, Arabic came up in the 3rd or 5th century. By this time, even Aramaic wade fading away and being replaced with Hebrew. By this time, even the Romans spoke Greek majorly except those in Europe who spoke Latin which wasn't as dominant as Greek given the Greek contribution in education. Now, given the region in which Arabic emanated, the dominant languages were the Egyptian and the Hebrew. Every other languages were formed during the construction of the tower of babel

gold[quote author=Artiiclebeast post=115325947]Thank God for this one encouraging testament for once at least. Not the usual e no easy abroad blablabla

If you have the means and opportunity to jakpa and better your condition legally, I'd advise you to do so oh..

Do not, and I repeat, do not put your hopes Obidienting, Athiefkulating, or Batifying...

None of these guys can handle or change Nigeria from the many ills currently eating it up.

By the time anyone of them does his first 1 year as the President you guys will begin to understand what's up and a nickname will soon be coined for that President as usual.

The battle and sickness plaguing Nigeria aren't what one President will just come on and solve in 8 years.

Okay, I'll concede that Peter Obi is perfect for the job in an ideal situation/country, and holds more promise than the other 2 major kleptos. Is Nigeria an ideal country as it is right now?

How about the same Obi acknowledging Atiku as his boss, mentor, and e

Peppysco:
Aren't you so delusional right now? Your parents are being killed in your villages by the same group of terrorists most of you supported a while ago, yet, Tinubu is your problem. Don't worry, all of you will dance to the masquerade dance you have all invited to perform. These Russian roulette campaigns you're all doing, we will all be here to witness the outcome.

My parents live in England. Far away from your nuisance. Now, who's delusional?

I am not Igbo to begin with. Why do you all think that all Yoruba people are monolithic? I am a proud Lagosian who has been financially favored by the southern and northern brothers. I see beyond tribal differentiation.

I speak fact and not tribe. Tinubu has never reached out to any of my relatives. He's not the a saviour of the yoruba people. I follow Christ not a weeny pissing man.

Moses did not bring this kind of message from God. None of all the prophets that Muslims believe ever brought such message from God. Why was Mohammed's message different from ALL?

Men are clearly advised to admonish, starve a woman of sex, and finally beat her up.

There is no room for TLC tender loving care for a woman. No room for a man to listen to a woman to know her plight. Even Esther was paid attention to.

This is disconcerting to every sane mind. That is why the women have to cover up to cover the black eyes.

Kindly compare this to how Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David and all the other men of old treated their wives. Their is undeniably no link to this surah. How can the same God be so contrasting with, not only his message, but his principle.

Nigeria is slowly becoming unlivable. The reality is that the citizens are slowly becoming immune to violence of this order. The youths are jobless and left to cater to themselves. The parents have no jobs and the society just don't care. Politicians keep looting and everyone keeps mute until this very violence will take us all one by one.

The government just doesn't care and to have a rotation of these old faces in power is an insult to young people at this point. Tinubu has been representing you in office since Davido was born. 5 December 1992. So, when Davido's circumcision dressing was being removed, Tinubu was in power representing Lagos state in the Senate.
Today, Davido has many children and the same Tinubu wants to represent Davido's children.

Atiku would have been a running mate for Abiola in 1992. Atiku and Tinubu had been friends since the inception of democracy in this country. They are the same ilks.

Until we all get eaten up by this, we will never learn. Soon, we will seek asylum in Ghana or Cote D'ivoire.

If Tinubu's cohort could unravel information of 1992 about Atiku, they can easily discover who killed Bola Ige. This tells me that they know how Abacha died and how our cash is looted out of this country.
Whoever provided information about Atiku in 1992 can easily provide information of who looted what, and to where?

We are tired of digging. We simply want to dig you all, the diggers out. That will end this erosion for us

I cried

The moderators here are jihadists. They block you if you try to expose the sophistry of Islam. At least let free expression reign on both aisles. The bias is solidly telling.

I can clearly see why these Christians stand by any pastor regardless.

Now, i accept that there is an islamization agenda.
How I am blocked from commenting on the topics that I created.

Say any evil.about Christians and you have a pass. Speak the evidential truth about Islam and you will get blocked outrightly

chijokz:
If you own an international company where each regional branch remits revenue to the HQ's account in Nigeria, won't you appoint your fellow Nigerians you know and trust to oversee those branches than strangers in those countries?

Thank you. Very logical. Company haha

BrokenEggShell:
Don't worry about my eggshell biko

Anyway, in my experience, Christians are especially annoying when they are trying to "debunk" Islam. Imagine a Christian that will not devote time to master Biblical Hebrew but will be rummaging through the Qur'an, taking mini Qur'anic Arabic lessons on the internet just so they can debunk somebody on Nairaland. Na wa o.

As one respondent has already previously stated, words are not often equivalent between language, for many reasons. I'm sure any bilingual individuals can come up with several examples of words that mean multiple things in one language, but are more specific in the other. It's not an odd thing at all.

In English, the word "prayer" comes from Latin precāria, the substantive feminine of the adjective precārius, which means something obtained by entreaty or by favor. The noun form, "pray" comes from a related word: precor, which means "to pray, beg, beseech". The archaic sense of "beg" is still preserved in older English phrases like "I pray thee" which just means something like "please".

In Arabic, ṣalat (صَلَاة) comes from the root ص ل و (s-l-w), whose meaning is ultimately unknown as of now. Some have linked it instead to the root و ص ل, which has the sense of "linking" or "joining", but I am doubtful. Anyway, since Salah refers specifically to the ritual prayers and not the average prayer (which is Du'a), it makes sense that it probably doesn't come from an easy source. It's inaccurate to simply translate as "prayer" for reasons specified by other comments.

Something similar happens in Biblical Hebrew, actually. The Modern Hebrew verb פילל (pilel) comes from the root פ-ל-ל (p-l-l). The root is used in 1 Samuel 2:25, where it says: אִם־ יֶחֱטָ֨א אִ֤ישׁ לְאִישׁ֙ וּפִֽלְל֣וֹ אֱלֹהִ֔ים וְאִ֤ם לַֽיהוָה֙ יֶֽחֱטָא־ אִ֔ישׁ מִ֖י יִתְפַּלֶּל־ ל֑וֹ וְלֹ֤א יִשְׁמְעוּ֙ לְק֣וֹל אֲבִיהֶ֔ם כִּֽי־ חָפֵ֥ץ יְהוָ֖ה לַהֲמִיתָֽם. Here, we're looking specifically at וּפִֽלְל֣וֹ (u-pillow), the fourth word from the right. Most times it means "to pray" but in this passage it means "to judge", and it is referring to God doing the action. This has also carried over into Modern Hebrew in the verb I mentioned above, which can mean "to hope, pray for, believe possible" but also "to judge, mediate". With your approach to translation, that passage would mean "If one man sin against another, God shall pray to him; but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall entreat for him?"...

On one hand, you insist that we tale lessons from the net, yet again copying and pasting articles that YOU found on the net.

I am not a net jerk Sir. I lived in Saudi Arabia and been taught Islam by sources more authentic than the ones around you. I have paid attention before coming to a conclusion. You can bet that I speak and read Arabic too.

You may leave other topics outta this and focus on the question at hand. Too much said but little covered.
I never cared about Islam until it was served to me by Muslim sheikhs. Your brother demanding that I provide the meaning of Salah and I did from Islamic certified sources.

You are here debunking your scholars by devising an explanation that plunges you deep in this trench. The question is, who chooses the right context in the translation? That man becomes the allah.

You root word in Arabic etc are totally Bullsheet because Arabic is is a 1st or 4th century language Originating from Aramaic or so. Check the attached

Preacherrr:
SERPENT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REASONABLE TO COMMENT GO AND SLEEP. BECAUSE WE ARE TIRED OF ALL THIS KIND OF FOOILSH COMMENT ALL IN THE NAME OF ATTACKING THE CHURCH. WHAT IS WRONG WITH A NIGERIAN PASTOR A CHURCH IN ANOTHER NATION. YOU SHOULD BE MORE CONCERNED IF THERE IS NOBODY AT ALL TO PASTOR THE CHURCH. BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE SUBTLE AND WICKED LIKE SATAN YOUR FATHER, THAT IS WHY YOU ARE POSTING TRASH.

Hahaha you need help. How is this comment negative? It is a question. Rather than attacking me, present your logic

GreyLaw:
That's all you saw in the post? People from Swaziland don't die too? Church isn't an organisation you just set an administrator over. Let them run their thing the way they want to. There are lots of foreign businesses in Nigeria being run by people from the country or continent of he owners.

In the church there are also people from other countries heading zones and regions. They check the age of the church there, the spiritual growth and maturity of the people there and when they are mature enough the a rep is chosen from amongst them to head those regions. You don't head a region simply because you are a native of the place.

I love your comparison to secular establishments. That is gold to me. Thank you for stopping by

soilsista:
Swati!

Thanks bro. Good to know.

Isn't that the racism that we are fighting against that you are promulgating? Do you know how racist of a remark your comment is?

desiredhome:
White men don't do church, they do service to humanity........

If you practiced what you preach to others, your last line would have served you good.

March1117:
Swazilanders complain give you say dey want one of their own as head of the church instead of a Nigerian?
E just better make we dey mind our business.

Benny Hinn in Nigeria did not come to see white people, did he?
And, a church is not a village affair, is it? It should be from the Bible, right?
Paul did not go to Corinth to meet the Hebrews. Barnabas did not go to Lystra to meet his compatriots, did he?

MuslimIgbo:
U know weda Na Nigerians full the church?

And, that is the church of God of ALL NATIONS?

desiredhome:
It's the same Nigerians in Nigerian church setting.........

Imagine if he dies and kamala becomes the first female president.

Is there no Swati capable of being the head of the branch there? Must it be Nigerians heading Nigerian churches?

haha this came as s shocker. People on both aisles are torn apart but I am not as a maverick.

I am not in the habit of judging people. I love to spit facts and let intelligence triumph over intolerance. This imam and the Priest are brothers from one ancestor. The only divide is religion. We should all learn to bless others than curse one another.

Nevertheless, the habit of blessing a car is atrocious. He should have laid his hand on the man and not the car. There is no silliness as telling as the fact that blessings are from God and in line with his way. This man does not represent God while doing this but himself. This is a friend or a neighbor blessing another friend. You can refer to them by their names and not their titles. As long as they wear those titles, they remain parallel.

This question is not as stupid as you might think. It is raised as a result of the discrepancies surrounding Muhammad’s birth:

TWO WEDDINGS

Muhammad’s grandfather, Abd al-Mutallib and his father Abdallah got married the same day.

In his biography of Muhammad, Ibn Hisham says that the father of Muhammad, Abdallah, had sexual intercourse with his wife Aminah bint Wahb in her father’s house immediately after the marriage. Aminah became pregnant with Muhammad (It is undisputed fact that Amina became pregnant with Muhammad just after becoming married. And multiple sources confirm this).

Muhammad’s grandfather Abd al-Mutallib and his new wife Hala also had a son Hamza, who was Muhammad’s uncle, Hamza.

WHY IS HAMZA OLDER?

“The Book of the Major Classes” by historian Ibn Saad says that Abdallah died a few months after his marriage at the age of 25, when his wife Amina was pregnant with Muhammad.

We don’t know when Hamza was conceived, but the earliest Hamza could have been conceived was right after the wedding, just like Muhammad.

The problem now is that Muhammad and Hamza should be about the same age. If Hala and Amina both became pregnant soon after their marriage, Muhammad and Hamza would be the same age.

If Hala became pregnant a few years later, Hamza would be younger than Muhammad. But Islamic history informs us that Hamza was older than Muhammad.

In his book “Finding the Truth in Judging the Companions”, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani writes that Hamza was born two to four years before Muhammad. Ibn Saad says in “The Book of the Major Classes” that Hamza was killed at the Battle of Uhud when he was 59 years old. Ibn Saad adds that Hamza was four years older than Muhammad.

SO WHAT HAPPENED?

There is just one logical explanation here: Muhammad was conceived 2–4 years later than Hamza. But the problem is that Muhammad’s assumed father, Abdallah died 2 months after the wedding!

So what happened?

Again, the logical conclusion would be that Abdallah was not Muhammad’s biological father, and that Muhammad was not of the influential tribe of Quraysh!

Or could it be… a miracle?

A 7th CENTURY ARAB “MIRACLE”

So, instead of admitting the possibility of Muhammad being not fathered by Abdallah, some Muslim scholars go on tangents to declare that fetuses can stay in the womb up to 4 years!

After all, it happened to Muhammad, so it’s a biological fact!

The famous opinion is that ‘Abdullah died in the second month of the pregnancy of lady Amenah with the Prophet and this was confirmed by Ibn Kathir who was born 730 years after Mohammed was born, in 1300, Bosra, Syria. Other less authenticated versions narrated that ‘Abdullah passed away during the Prophet’s infant years and other version suggested that the Prophet was two months old when his father died and others said 28 months or 9 months.

The man, Ibn Kathir that holds the most authenticated storyline surrounding Mohammed's birth was born 730 year after Mohammed was born. hahaha Let that sink in for a minute. It is synonymous to Lilibet, the daughter of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle who was born this year, confirming the birth of the son of King Edward I 'Longshanks of England born in the year 1292. Hilarious isn't it? And