clefstone:
I agree with you 100% but you seem to have written more about founding than ancestry. There is no doubt the founders of Aboh were of Benin origin. However, the indigenous Aboh population today is made up of people of diverse origin and ancestry and they include the descendants of the founders as well as other people of diverse ancestry with the later population more than the former.

Ogedengbe's writing(some snippets I've managed to read) on Aboh helped me understand some aspect of the diversity of Aboh and the unique way the people came to live in peace together. It was difficult for me to understand it when my father would tell us that certain of our family members were not actually related to us by blood, but these family members of ours owned land in our quarters as inheritances. While we are descendants of the founders of Aboh, these members of our family are of other ancestry and sometimes are even of so called slave origin(yes, slave origin). Even within this large family(Ogbe), everybody knows his origin yet we are all fully Aboh people with mostly equal rights

The Aboh people even came up with ways to balance things up between the founders and other settlers, one of them being that the Obi(king) of Aboh must be chosen from the descendants of the founder of Aboh while the Iyasele(traditional prime minister) must be of an origin other than that of the founder. Also the Obi of Aboh(the Obi title most likely originated from Aboh) must be of dual ancestry, that is, paternally of the "founder origin" and maternally of the "non-founder" origin. Also the second in command to the Obi, the Iyasele must be of a paternal non-founder origin and a maternal founder origin. These attests to the fact that the people of Aboh understood their diversity and the need to balance the polity in order to foster peace and unity by sending a message that Aboh belongs to all of us. No way such a place can be regarded as Igbo(I respect my Igbo brothers and acknowledge the fact that we are linked by language and other factors)

I know you know all the above and most likely even better than I do, but I write it for the sake of all those that will read it now and in years to come(nairaland is an archive)

On the Nri-born native doctor migration story, I have read about it here on NL before. It really sounds interesting but it clearly has no oral historical backing and is an obvious cooked up narrative by someone with a predetermined motive

😏. Did you read that attachment at all ? Guy rest !

wesley80:

Important to also note that Akarai (Akarai Etiti and Akarai Obodo) are separate towns from Aboh and are still occupied to this day by the Akarai aborigines. Both villages still maintain very close ties but have distinct identities. For example, the now late Iyase of Aboh, Chief Fabian Obi was from Akarai and rose to become the Iyase of Aboh because his mom was an "Akpe" - a princess of Aboh. The person he was to take over from, a strong contestant for the position was a certain Chief Awani, an Itsekiri with maternal root in Aboh.

Well, that’s what good relationship and understanding can bring about. So if they recognize and honor those men due to their maternal relationship with the Kingdom, then it’s a good thing. If it’s also done because they know that by extension and origin the actual owners of the land were Akarai’s, it’s also a good thing.

wesley80:

I don’t think it’ll be fair to describe Aboh as anything other than of Benin origin - the evidence is compelling except perhaps one chooses to lend credence to the “Nri - born Native doctor migration story from Benin”, a theory I find inherently flawed. What is not in contention is that the people the founded what later became Aboh kingdom migrated from Benin. This is not to say there aren’t sizeable migrants from Igboland and elsewhere that arrived at various times and through various means, heck, my own family has its paternal root in neighboring [b][/b]Ashaka but we’ve lived in Aboh for over 5 generations. When the question of a people's origin is thrown, I believe the right answer is the origin of its founders and once the Akarai distinction is made, all that's left are the original migrants from Benin.

Your last paragraph that talks about the origin is what I also think it should be. Akarai’s( Igbos) , Aboh(Bini), Hence my statement earlier.

clefstone:
Just like the name Aro is almost everywhere in Igbo land. You'd notice that the Abohs in Igbo land are prefixed, for example Aboh-Mbaise. There are also Abohs on the Western side of the Niger, an example being Aboh-Orogun/Ebo-Orogun. There is however only one Aboh town worldwide, that being the Aboh of the mouth of the Niger Delta.

A very plausible answer to your question is that the Abohs in these other communities migrated from Aboh, a once very important and powerful trade kingdom, to their present settlements as is the case of Aboh-Orogun. Infact many places around Aboh have Aboh embedded in their history including the Itsekiris who acknowledge the Abohs as part of their ancestry(later immigrants)

Okay

clefstone:
It's more complicated than this.

In terms if origin/ancestry, the Aboh people are of diverse origin. There are many Aboh people of Igbo origin as there are many of Ijaw, Igala, Isoko, Itsekiri and Yes, Bini origin. Most Aboh people know their origin so it's not a speculation. These people of diverse origin to form a single identity- Aboh

The truth is that whether an Aboh man tells you he is Igbo or not, they do not have the Igbo consciousness

That’s alright. How they choose to identify themselves, so be it.

The name Aboh is almost everywhere in Igboland. What and where is the origin of the name ?

If an Aboh person tells you he/she is Igbo, it is fine .

If he/she also tells you they are Benin it is fine.

Make everybody rest.

🤣. They are free to choose any language of their choice.

RedboneSmith:
Interesting.

You are here, I was about to cc you. Lol. It is really interesting! I have many questions already. Let me just wait for you historians to discuss the matter.

Let me cc Igboid and Wesley’s Aboh brother known as Clefstone. 😁

I remember reading a thread in the past concerning Aboh and it’s origin, yourself and the names mentioned above wrote a lot. The attachment above is quite an eye opener.

RedboneSmith:


I just finished watching a lengthy video where Imasuen Awowie Izoduwa was arguing for a Benin origin for Ezechime.

It's interesting that I'm being tagged to see this on the same day. I have always said that the elders know the truth.

😂. Forget that guy, if he has his way, he would say everyone in the world is from Benin.

Samuk and his brothers come, see and hear what Chief, Epa, Odionwere, has to say about Eze Chima that you always twist to Eze Ikhime. 😂

Cc Redbonesmith

DaveHarry:
FIFA has announced that each player participating in the group stage of the 2023 World Cup will receive $30,000 (£24,000), with that figure rising throughout the tournament to $270,000 (£213,000) for the eventual winners. The overall pot of money available to each governing body has, however, risen from $30m (£24m) to $110m (£87m).

This is the best way. At least, the players don’t have to wait for their greedy FA’s.

OJEEMAH:
exactly!
And if you follow my comment, I didn’t condemn Ronaldo’s 14goals in 19games. I was just trying to tell him how 14goals in more games would have won them more points that will greatly impact their title bid considering the fact that they lost with a slim margin.

Well, based on the record shit the analysis wasn’t really needed too. Make everybody rest.

OJEEMAH:
You don't even understand what the argument was. well, I no get strength to do back and forth on the same topic the other guy and i have been on since yesterday.

You are correct but the record is yet to be broken.

Your analysis is just based on how better it is for a forward to be consistent with his /her goal scoring in the league. His /her goals need to be spread out, which is understood. CR7 scoring 14 in 19 is impressive and that’s what Udeh was saying.

Surely it’s still theirs !

OJEEMAH:
Only a foolish person will argue about the goals he scored in his prime.

14goals in 19games is a good number anyday, anytime. I am talking about the number of games he amassed 14goals. Out of 19games, he failed to score in about 55%. He accumulated 14 cos he banged 4, hattrick and brace in some games.

Talking about knock out goals, you mentioned Adriano whose goals were scored in the group stages. It was Messi’s record until recently that Haaland equaled it last season against Dortmund.

The point is , if in his prime he scored that amount of goals and still lost the league, there is no difference scoring 14 in 19 and still losing the league .. end point is he lost the league, but was it an impressive stat? Yes. So forget the maths cos that’s not what the argument is about.


The record is for scoring 5 goals a match and not the stage it was scored in. The records put those three names there, not me

OJEEMAH:
It doesn’t take a genius to know a player that scored 30goals in 20 or 25matches won more points for his team than a player that banged 30 goals in 7games.

And by winning more points, his team stand a chance of winning titles.

There is/was a reason Klopp prefers Salah to firmino in attack. Salah is consistent with goal scoring but we can’t say the same for Firmino.

There was also a reason Aubameyang was used ahead of Lacazette.

You just be noisemaker. Even in his prime he scored great number of goals in a season but still lost the league. It is now at 38 that he scored 14 in 19 games and lost the league that you are making noise about ? Are you forgetting he didn’t start the league from the beginning ? Earlier you had already said it was an impressive stat, but somehow you just want to look for a way to rubbish and downplay the effort. Shior.

P.s

Most Assist in the World Cup -Pele. 8 Maradona 8 , Messi 8. Pele would have had 10 , but FIFA started counting from 1966.

Most goals in a UCL match . Messi, Adriano, Haaland

obembet:
Reno share this on us Twitter handle, he wrote,



Source: https://twitter.com/renoomokri/status/1673439019273711616?t=YafornvoXvyud0dwe0L2IQ&s=19

Reno is just pained his oga didn’t win. 😂🤣😂. You can tell he is really sad about it. He can wail from now till he dies, we don’t care. President Peter Obi we know.

Ebi2233:
The 3 Largest Tribes in Nigeria is as follows.


Hausa, Yoruba and Ijaw.


Igbos only talk too much.
Half of who you call Igbos are actually Ijaws.

Okay, we have heard you. Tell them to start teaching history in secondary schools so that, this can also be taught too.

mrvitalis:
As an mbaise boy this is mere personal opinion obi cubana is married to an mbaise woman, not sure I think too e money wife is mbaise... It's just preference

My family had strong rejection of Rivers woman, my elde brother married an Okrika woman, best sister in law in the world for me... Everyone loves her now she is more popular in my village than her husband by a mile

Have a cousin marry from Anambra mbaide people generally prefer not to marry Anambra but trust me she turned out to be best in in that family

In fact just thought about it none of my siblings married mbaise... Just Rivers ( opobo, Okrika n ikwerre) and Anambra

It's even me that's interested in looking for an mbaise girl to marry

The the whole mbaise thing is just a social construct every day people line up to marry mbaise girls like crazy

Obi Cubana’s wife is from Obosi in Anambra state. It’s Emoney’s wife that is from Mbaise.

Mainnews:
Watch video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJsrFYL-Wc

If another Election is conducted today Peter Obi will not get up to 2Million Votes. President Tinubu has perform extremely well in just 13 days in office - Isaac Fayose


https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtWrNFhAqQK/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

😂🤣. Regret kor regret ni. Ogbeni, ko shi lor

Is it a coincidence that whenever you talk about the 2010 Balon dor award all you see and hear is robbery , robbery robbery ? No it’s not. When the blind , deaf and dumb found out about the eventual winner, each of em asked God for a personal miracle. If fairness, equity and justice was at play , 2010 and 2013 shouldn’t have gone to Messi and Ronaldo.

Snijeder or Iniesta 2010. Ribery 2013.

https://amp.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2018/04/24/5adf6ad9ca4741cf088b4613.html


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/535952-ballo-dor-2010-wesley-sneijder-snubbed-by-comic-fifa-in-favour-of-barca-trio#


https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/football/revisiting-the-2010-ballon-d-or-when-wesley-sneijder-made-a-case-to-win-the-award

😂🤣😂🤣😅

This matter go long, that’s if the people wey sabi this matter dey free to drop their opinions. 🤣. It’s always an interesting and educative thread just like the Benin vs Ife supremacy battle.

RedboneSmith:


Literally all of the Western World. They have created the most tolerant and accommodating societies the world has ever seen. They take in refugees. They take in economic migrants in the millions. They grant them citizenship. They allow them run for the highest offices in the land. And they don't make noise about how the immigrants must show gratitude. They don't feel threatened and use violent to stop immigrants from voting because they are afraid of who and how the immigrants will vote. When an Adewale or a Rajesh or a Chinedu or an Amina wants to run for mayor, they don't tell them to go and be mayor in Biafra or Bombay or Odùduwà Republic.

Racism is of course not completely dead in the West, but more than any other society in the world, they have gone farthest in ameliorating it.

Ya wicked sha. 😂😂

Pure acting ! Man is going to Al Hilal . Financial status of Barcelona can’t accommodate him, except he is willing to lower his salary, which I doubt he would. Messi, Busquet and Alba would be in Saudi soon.

kingthreat:


Many others did. Nairaland did too.

I never said others didn’t contribute, for me, Gistlover did major….

Shout out to gistlover. The person really created awareness concerning this matter.

AntiTerrorist:
I don't understand what's going on.

Yes it’s been removed. It was removed by Buhari. It’s not even in the budget that was signed for 2023. So brace up !

Reno Omokri, funny and cunning man . Nobody would insult you. Let everyone practice their culture in peace.

Highlight of the weekend for me is Bayern Munich fans chanting Cristiano Cristiano🥹🥹🥹. LCND !!

Highlight of the weekend for me, was Bayern Munich fans chanting Cristiano Cristiano🥹🥹🥹. LCND !!

Greatest ? My friend change the heading. It's just the most expensive bench.

The worst run ever by a Football club. Shitty club.