₦airaland Forum

Beaf:
When I mentioned Obama, it was to stress that our problem is not ethnicity, but govt structure. It will be ridiculous for a governor in the US to go on a state trip to see Obama. In Nigeria, it is normal - I don't know of any developed country that is as top heavy as Nigeria.

Agreed

lol true too many close relationships between the president and senators and govenors

like OBJ feeding daniels complete rubbish

Fashola is a good example who put his state infront of being Lagos indigne

what he does for the state is enjoyed by all ethnicities

FL Gators:
So true.

Some of us know that Nigeria is messed up, but nevertheless, when Nigeria is being criticized, we jump to defend her.
I get what you're saying, but how's that country first?

Because someone who exudes this type of mentality understands that he can't put his ethnicity( customs,beliefs or religion) before his country. If someone puts his  ethnicity( customs,beliefs or religion) before his country he automatically marginalizes those who aren't the same as him. (and im talking about those who govern in particular but those who govern are chosen by the governed us which is why i say country first).

i hope im not confusing you

FL Gators:
<sup>tears. I'm so proud of you right now.

No cursing. tears</sup>
ta lo bi e leere?

To me i see it as if Obama over everyone with no favoritism toward black, africans or Hawiians or where ever he was raised.

It can be done and within himself and he still listen to jazz and eat fried chicken like black people do, without imposing himself/his beliefs on others.

Thats what i call country before ethnicity

If you get what im tryin to say.

FL Gators:
^{Thank you.}

I understand. But people would identify themselves as Nigerians, but you know its their ethnicity that matters to do. With friction and tension within Nigeria, each person is holding on to their ethnicity. Holding on to your language, holding on to your culture and tradition, emphasizes the point that people actually really care about their eth. than being a Nigerian.

People would come on NL to form to dey say Nigeria comes first to them, when they know, that that aint true.

Correct I think folks are reading the question in different ways because its too Vague.

FL Gators:
sjeezy, we need to talk, you know that me and you can actually hold a discussion on a thread without insultive words.

[size=4pt]Try your post again and I'll reply.[/size]

I would feel the same as you but within ethnicities are smaller categories that people can also consider ethnicities too.

FL Gators:
Truth be told, ethnicity comes first.

Nigeria comes second.

lol we know you're from the jungle and i would feel the same as you.

But within ethnicities are smaller categories that people can also consider ethnicities too.

SapeleGuy:
Is the local government chairperson not usually an indigene of the local government they represent? Are they not also the same person that fails to deliver services? There lies your link to ethnicity.

What about people like those in rivers, delta or those in ogun state?

SapeleGuy:
This is what I mean:

Who should be responsible for your schools, health centres, sports facilities, libraries, street cleaning, job creation, road repairs, fire brigade - Local government, these are the things that affect the average man and woman on a daily basis and not events at Aso rock.

so what does this have to do with ethnicity?

^^^^^ LOL ok maybe the south can choose better people to run their country when sepreated since the north are putting Hausas in southern governmnents presently. (sarcastically)

SapeleGuy:
That is the only way that local governments can work, local issues, local context, local accountability and then the exchange of good or best practice. Sokoto can't solve Sapele problems.

My friend that is a noble ideal. In theory it is what we have supported as a country since independence but in practice it has failed woefully. I like the sentiment you espouse here and I think that it can be achieved with patriotism and a burning desire to do well for the people but i repeat that good democracies are local and local in our context involves ethnicity as our populations are not very transient.
We can pursue local development within a context of mutual respect. Everybody works hard and there are no passengers

what do you consider local governement?

^^^ you're a clown. Is it not the igbo elite that chill with hausa/fulani more then yorubas?

becomrich,:
let seperate it first and we do an experience and if it does not make our lifes better, we would come and beg you northerner to take us back now. So let seperate it first, while you people wait for us to return to you and beg you.

we seperate, then what?

still vote people like Tinubu and Kalu into government?

Cause that what the south is doing

SapeleGuy:
A lot of these ethnic nationalities predate Nigeria in some cases by nearly 1000 years. As has been stated loving your ethinicity does not make one a tribalist.

To borrow Tsiya's analogy, dependence on this 1 man can not keep 250 wives happy - in the long run dem go kill am.
It is possible for these 250 to keep themselves happy by taking responsibility for their own destiny and environment.
Or it could be saying we are going to make our place the best we possibly can, we will develop ourselves, develop our environment without subjugating others. Imagine if this was adopted by all ethnicities across the country, would we not witness a positive transformation?
My argument here is that all good democracy is local. I wish the man in Sokoto well but I am more interested in development on my doorstep in Sapele. 1 man or woman can't simultaneously be the best performer in 36 states. The best performer needs to be duplicated at state level, local government level and ward level. When things go wrong I have someone accessible to hold to account instead of 1 man at Aso rock.

These type of individualistic ideals would only lead to the breaking up of every country because within ethnicity the are  even smaller categories. Its just unrealistic, to have everyone performing at the same level in every local Government only for "whos onfront of their doorstep).

The only REALISTIC  way for a country to move ahead is for people to put the country ahead of their own ethnicity meaning what i do for my own ethnicity, i do for others.

Eziachi:
One of the reason I love forums like Nairaland is that it helped to see the mindset of all Nigerians from Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw etc. In the last couple of years through this forum, I had known Nigeria I never will ever had known and what I had heard or learned had strenghtened my resolve that the only solution to Nigeria problem is independent of all the home NATIONS.

Our Yoruba neighbours tend to play the ostritch game of sidon dey look, do nothing, maybe pray and one day things will change. They will rage and pull you down and tell you that it's either one Nigeria or nothing, to my obvious amazement as to why will anyone based on the past and present experience, will waste a second protecting Nigeria as one entity.

Until many Yorubas join other southerners and ask for separation, the north will never read the hand writing on the wall. Despite little or no threat from MASSOB, the reacting of the northern dominated central govt in Abuja towards MASSOB shows that the only thing that worries owners of Nigeria is the sound of separation.

lol you are clown and will forever blame the yorubas for igbo Elites faults also

You are not part of the Elite igbos and the Elite igbos that are moving to ABJ do not care about your well being.
SAME with the Elite yorubas and southerner period

Seperation of the country will not change anything for southerners except more money for OUR OWN to STEAL.

The Northern elites are no different from the south.

They didn't force ,Tinubu,Orji,Kalu to steal and not perform for southerners

They are all the same, all the south needs is their own leaders to perform well for us.

The south is scared shitless of the north no doubt

But the southerners are still not performing for their states.

So cant blame the SMART north leaders.

Both because right from jump they didn't see one Nigeria

Awo was good for yorubas only
Zik was good for igbos only, same with ironsi-
Balewa was good for the north only

The current politicians realised this and are now using it for their own Interest. Elites are from every region.
When something isn't favoring them, they use tribalism to rally support.

Tsiya:
Well, Imam and Afla doesnt have much power.

I can name so many Pastors:

Father Pius Kii (Rivers Stater)
Adeboye
Oyedapa
Pastor Chris
TB Joshua
Okotie and host of others


How many Alfas or Imam do you know?

Despite the fact that Islam is a fundamentally conservative, the religious leaders are not hold with high esteem as it is in Christianity

LOL they aren't?
Because last i checked the topic outlined pastors being kidnapped and not imams

If the Pastors where held in HIGH esteem they wouldn't be kidnapped IN CHRISTIAN POPULATED REGIONS. When have you ever heard a IMAMS being mistreated in muslim dominated regions? NEVER

Lets tell the truth the whole south is pacifying the islamic north. Because the south is scared of the mayhem the north will unleash. Muslim Leaders can break Nigeria in half with a simple sentence. That is power, what Pastors have is wealth NOT power in anyway.

Not to mention the current state of the country is being controlled by the North sokoto caliphate who are considered religious leaders.  That is power

OK but if a islamic leader was kidnapped his follwers would pay the money in NO Less then 2 days. But afterwards the muslims will go crazy and start their own killing in return. lets be honest.

Imams/Alfas have just as much power in Nigeria if not more than pastors

Simply the kidnappers who are christian themselves are Scared of muslims

The answer is simple
Everyone from all tribes always recalls their "Heros" from decades ago.
but fail to realise these people do not exist in the current state of Nigerian politics.(few close to none).

For all west, what have any Western politicians done for you particularly since the 1960's?
For all East what has your Eastern politicians done for you particularly since the 1960's?
Same Goes with all other regions ,

Everyone screams PDP is the problem but within PDP your tribesmen are willing to sell all tribes short for personal gain. Even without PDP What has Tinubu done for Lagos state(except Fashola)? What have Orji, Kalu done for Abia state? They are not part of PDP and still cant perform in the interest of their citizens, yet people are supporting their tribemens who are failing. Mind you these people gained governorship from votes by THEIR OWN ETHNICITY and not massive rigging as people always cry about.

PDP isn't installing hausas in government in the EAST and they are not installing Hauas in WEST OR SOUTH SOUTH.
look at KALU dude wanted to run for president and tried to rally support from "his people"after he robbed Abia state blind.

When one says loyal to ethnicity that can be equated as voting for the same tribesmen that slapped you in the face for years.
When one says loyal to Nigeria that can be equated as voting for the best performer for the country. Meaning whats good for one ethnicity is good for all others.

lol this list IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THOSE FROM THE EAST OR WEST

lets be honest

i know this and we all know this

so lets stop lying to ourselves

FL Gators:
then he'd just be another sjeezy. lol

se oju e fo?

sjeezy8:
ode go on and get better internet service instead of yawning - one minute youre on the next youre off.

queen of Florida everyone knows you to be an asweo

im going to sleep jo

make sure you take care of those big breast for me aiight

goodnight . . . . iyamatanga lookin ass chicken head

FL Gators:
Yawn. . . . .

ode go on and get better internet service instead of yawning - one minute youre on the next youre off.

queen of Florida everyone knows you to be an asweo

im going to sleep  jo

make sure you take care of those big breast for me aiight

goodnight . . . . iyamatanga lookin ass chicken head

We re na your type of dude be dat.

thank your stars you were away at school while your family got caught doing fraud in MN.

FL Gators:
lol thank you, orangutan

olo ju gorilla lol

you're from biafra which isn't a damn country lol

just admit it yall nigguz lost lol

chic2pimp:
Nah mate. Your jokes are too dry . Your insults are even worse.

shut your stinkin mout little rat of a person

FL Gators:
Who should shut her mouth? ori e, o fokasible

ewo na  and its fokasibe not fokasible
you dis chimpanzeee

FL Gators:
you're not tired anymore

@chic
maada lohun jare

shut yo mout jare im even giving you guys small plate of insult ill have better ones tommorrow

FL Gators:
Not from your village. My village is what your village calls "America"

your village is the place where yorubas say every damn word with a lips/ s at the end

oceans baskets  peoples everyones

i can imagine how peeps dey make jest of you

what village are you really from?

FL Gators:
you should be tired. you've been talking shit all week. rest.

chicken head village asewo gal