HigherEd: My point was simple, Christianity wasn't intended to be practiced the way you see it today. Secondly, to nullify that your dictionary definition because it was weak. People could list it as a religion but you can't define it better than its adherent. To some, they practice religion. Good for them. To others we see it as a relationship.
Same way muslims claim islam is a relationship with allah; it doesnt stop islam from being a relgion. Christianity is not any different.
Dictionaries, Philosophies cannot define Christianity - they simply dont have the capacity to do so. I understand your obsession with placing us in that your little box called religion though. From there it is easier for you to deal with us or launch your attacks lol
Christianity is a religion simply based on the teachings and worship of jesus christ; a supposed supernatural being. The definition of christianity is devoid of ambiguity.
As per your usual rantings against God I have nothing much to say. When you've burnt in Hell fire for a hundred years the devil or his demons may be benevolent enough to answer your questions or protest. And yes, I belief that the Jewish Carpenter died so I could live. And my children and children's children would belief in that carpenter just like myself and my wife..
The above is the reason religionist cling to their delusions.We were all born with no religion but through indoctrination, the belief in an imaginary God was engraved in our cortex and very difficult to let go. Fortunately, some of us have been able to break free from the shackles of religion. A God who burns his creation in hell for eternity is a sadistic narcissistic and is undeserving of any form of worship.
Primesky: No one created Satan. Satan means an adversery, an opposer, an enemy. Lucifer was an angel made by God alongside many other angels, but he was particularly beautiful and wise, and like every other angel God created, he had his reasoning and will power. Angels are not robots, they have will and choices, just like man. So made God all of them.
But the angel, Lucifer, out of his beauty and wisdom, became proud, and sort to take for himself, what God hasn't assigned to him, that is to be worshipped by other angels lower in rank than himself and possibly man too. God denied him this and kicked him out along side other angels who supported him, and proclaimed an everlasting judgement upon them, because that was a treasonable offence, trying to compete with your maker. However, till today, the devil/satan/lucifer believes he has the right to be worshipped and has not stopped demanding it from anybody. He even demanded it from Jesus Christ, when He came on earth as a man.
That shows you the crazy and wacky desire of Lucifer. But till today, all the fallen angels led by Lucifer, are ever busy opposing God because He kicked them out of heaven. They have become so hateful of Him and His ways. Besides, they became very jealous of man because, man also sinned, but God chose to give man a second chance which they never had. But before you say why, let me tell you. The devil seeing he has been cast out of heaven, sort to hurt God in any way possible, and the only way was to attack what God loves most and destroy it. That thing is man. And sin destroys man. So he set out to deceive man, and man truly fell. Since man fell by deception, he was given a second chance, coupled with the fact that God loves man so much, He even paid the price of the second chance for man by allowing Jesus Christ to die for us. Man was His very image. So, if man falls again, or refuse to repent of their sins, it means they're acting deliberately, and therefore will go the way of the fallen angels, since they too have made that choice.
So, Satan came about by the choice of an angel and was never created as Satan. Just like no man can birth a child and say, this is an armed robber, but that child grows up and chooses what to become, good or bad and will also suffer whatever consequences that choice will bring.
Jesus Christ came to save. Seize the opportunity of a second chance and be saved. God bless you.
Car manufacturers are made to recall thousands of cars if its found that a particular model has a manufacture defect. They take sole responsibility of fixing these defects and are sometimes fined millions of dollars.
Most phones from reputable companies like samsung, apple come with a manufacturers warranty. So when your phones get faulty during the time frame, you are entitled to either a brand new phone or they take up the cost of fixing it. They take responsibility since the mistake came from them.
God created Satan. Since its his creation, he should man up and take responsibility for the defect in his creation. QED
Primesky: Oh my God! Jesus was a begotten son of God not created. Check out the meaning of begotten please. The angels are also referred to as sons of God, but they were created. I am a son of God as well and I am created in God's image.
Jesus was made so, (son) that we might be saved. That was the only way He could come to earth to save man. Now, in John 1:1-4, He was first referred to as the word of God. Please, tell me, can you create my words separate from me. Am I different from my word? Are me and my word two different entities?. He became the son, so He could become us (human) and so ,save us. Understand this. Thanks.
Since you claim to know so much, can you tell us the meaning of begotten ?
Cr7sBabe: No, but were did you come from, did you jump from the sky? you actually came from your maker, and he is God, who made heaven and earth. Only a fool will say in their heart that there is no God. have not been to heaven, but I hope to be there one day. I've not been to hell, and I'll never be dre.
HigherEd: I disagree 1000% with whatever dictionary defined the "Religion" you just posted here. What your definition really ascribes to is Theism or Deification not Religion
Now To Religion "There is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion. It may be defined as a cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, prophesies, ethics, or organizations, that claims to relate humanity to supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements." - Excerpt from Wikipedia
You went ahead to copy the first thing you saw on Wikipedia without bothering to read the whole article. If you had read further, you would have seen that Christianity was listed as a religion in that article so I dont understand your point. Are you saying that Christianity is a religion or not?
Now I do agree with the bolded part of the wikipedia excerpt because to some, Christianity is about a patterned way of worship, sanctified places, routinous behaviour. It is about going to church on a particular day at a particular time, reading hymn. Following well rigid ordinances like don't clap, don't dance, chants and all - that is the kind of Christianity that is dangerous, that is the kind of Christianity that I alongside others who disown religion are fighting against... We understand that people can actually be in that system for years and actually not be born again. Not knowing who Jesus is or what matter to his heart... They are good at keeping rules and can hide away inner most lustful desires that can come blasting out later.
True Christianity is in knowing a saviour who loves and cherishes you deeply willing to die for you. And that love just drives you like someone that is high. You would read about Him from the bible and from other authors voraciously, you would worship effortlessly and be moved with tears, you won't fear him at all even though you know he has absolute power and could kill you with a move of a finger. In another way it is like an Orphan lost at birth, now destitute and ravaged by hunger, he finally finds his father. The father is so excited, the son is so excited, they just want to be in each others arms. This is why the bible says that with every soul won to Christ there is a resounding celebration in Heaven. The Angels know what it means to God and that's why they celebrate. The true Christian experience is undescribable with words. It is better experienced. And when you experience it you would know the difference between religion and relationship... Selah
Christianity like the other 4,200 relgions in the world is a lie, plain and simple. Your brain has been conditioned to accept this lie from childhood and thats why you are blind to reason. You really need to question your belief system so that you dont transfer this lemming gene to your next generation. How can you; a black man believe that a Jewish carpenter died for your misdemeanor. This is the height of delusion.
There are no extra benefits one gets from belonging to a religion. We all live and die the same way. I believe that if there was a sky daddy, he would be more occupied with correcting the ills of this world than looking for who to burn in hell. Emancipate yourself from this mental slavery.
Cr7sBabe: No, but were did you come from, did you jump from the sky?
No, I didnt jump from the sky.. I am a result of a biological process called reproduction.
you actually came from your maker, and he is God, who made heaven and earth.
You have no proof for the above theory
Only a fool will say in their heart that there is no God.
Exactly! even a fool knows this. Its not rocket science.
have not been to heaven, but I hope to be there one day. I've not been to hell, and I'll never be dre.
You've never been to either of this two places but your brain has been conditioned from childhood through indoctrination to believe that they exist. You werent born with a knowledge of any heaven or hell, you were taught to believe in it despite all the evidence that points to no existence of a heaven or hell but you blindly believe it cause its in the bible.
CodeTemplar: Did Christianity exist before the concept of religion or did the concept of religion exist before Christianity/Biblical accounts?
Religion is almost as old as man itself.
I consider this question important because Christianity is based on personal conviction. To an unbeliever God doesn't exist according to biblical account, to a believer God exists.
Christianity is not based on personal conviction but propagated by indoctrination just like every other religion.
Stop using the definition of religion in dictionary to influence your definition of Christianity. It is like Sharia and the Nigerian constitution. One gave permission to the other. One existed before the other.
jiggaz: I don't preach condemnation but when you constantly reject Christ, you are on your own. I checked your profile now and found out you are a satanist, you must surely be left behind and you already know what awaits you.... That's why you are scared. Your master Satan is also scared cos all of you will have a pool party in the lake that burns with brimstone and sulphur.
You've been brainwashed beyond redemption. I just hope that one day you wiil wake up from your delusions.
HigherEd: First of all, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship between earthly children and their heavenly father. And in every family, the way father relates to A is different with the way he relates with B.
God created us to be unique in our own ways and peculiar in our purpose. He stressed this point in the new testament with the analogy of a body system where the eyes must understand that it is different from the nose. Though the eyes and nose are different in functions but important nonetheless.
Now the problem with Christians is that we fail to understand Christianity beyond our own individuality and personal relationship with Jesus. For example God commissioned John G Lake a great apostle of God to heal the sick. And in the midst of deadly outbreaks it was reported how mighty God used brother Lake. However, John G Lake believed that a Christian must never use medication even if it means death. And on that I humbly disagree with Lake. Because it was the same God who commissioned Lake for the healing ministry that also commissioned Ben Carson for medical science. And Carson also testified of how many times God intervened in his medical practice to help save patients.
Towards the 1900s God began to raise Ministers against Witchcraft because at that time witchcraft ruled many parts of Nigeria. The likes of Ayo Babalola, Idahosa and many others took that battle out and were seriously pushed back by forces of darkness. In the next few decades the new generation of Christians would laugh and mock the stories of witchcraft and how they were confronted by ministers. Why? Because the battle was already won.
Prior to the 1980s Churches were poor to the point that CAC begged FG to take over her schools because it could no longer cater for them. It was so terrible RCCG founder instructed RCCG never to own schools. Pastorate was a job families never wanted for their kids because it meant a life of poverty. Tags like "church rat" didn't just become a Nigerian parlance. It was to let you know that even a rat inside church was really unfortunate than the rat that were opportuned to live in houses. Then soon men like David Oyedepo rose in the 80s and was proclaiming his ministry would have private jets, lol this was a man eating cerelac with his wife. Oyedepo in one occasion hid away from NYSC camp because his pastor friend had spent his whole preaching time to diss him at Camp for his prosperity message. Which by the way was not even showing in his life.
Today I study and I conclude that the move against witchcraft, the prosperity revival are all strategic moves of God for a time and season. Many wonderful heaven bound Christians would refute this and this makes it look as though Christianity is confusing but it is not!
I'm going to address only statement on bold cause the rest are irrelevant. I've seen christians make that statement a lot on this forum and i just conclude that its just ignorance or the christian way of trying to feel superior to other religions.
The Dictionary defines Religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Using this definition, now tell me how Christianity is not a religion.
jiggaz: Says the ignorant atheist.... Whether you believe it or not, it must surely happen!! You can argue from now till whenever but i know in your heart of hearts, you know it's true and you are scared cos you know you are doomed... I pity you.... And no, I'm not mediocre. I work with my time, meanwhile waiting for the day my Lord Jesus will call us up in the air.
jiggaz: Says the ignorant unbeliever.... I pity you.... And no, I'm not mediocre. I work with my time, meanwhile waiting for the day my Lord Jesus will call us up in the air.
Be prepared to wait for eternity
Its been 2000+ years and the jewish carpenter is nowhere to be found
You better start thinking of how to better your life because if you think you'll use the rapture as an excuse to be mediocre, you'll be very disappointed.
There would be no such thing as rapture and the world isnt coming to an end, not even in the next 100000 years.
Christianity is the most confused religion ever. Anybody can wake up and interpret the same bible anyhow to suit whatever purpose. Yet they claim they are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit of confusion.
NwaliE01: My prayer for you tonight is that you may receive the light of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. He shall be a lamp unto thy feet and light unto your path.
Your prayers are a total waste of time. If it weren't , Leah shaibu would have been released from captivity, Boko haram would have been decimated and world hunger would have been eradicated.
Prayers that cannot heal an amputee, is that one a prayer?!?
talk2percy: Wizkid no dey fear for his life?? Tiwa will just fuk him and his career to death. He should ask the formal husband. But Tiwa no get shame oh, fuking a small boy that is young enough to be her son.
HappyPagan: It has been examined a lot - it's the reason it has many sects. It takes the form of the examiner.
Oh, dear Josh. I agree with you @bold. But it does offer enough evidence to foster doubt, and one who doubts should be encouraged to, if the belief system is true. Darkness lies in mysteries, light reveals the hidden, doubt is the lantern in which reason burns.
I do not seek to take your moinmoin. I've had my fair share. Like Eve, all I ask is will you try the apple in the tree of knowledge, your escape from Eden?
I see no love in the unfortunate death of a Jewish carpenter. All I see is a man who claimed to be God murdered by his own people. I feel some empathy for the man - he didn't deserve a cross, but a sanitarium. He was only a victim of the times he lived in.
The Cross is not a burden a black man should carry. Jesus never carried the burden of slavery. You did. Still do.
This is crazy. God set up a planet, and made one rule - do not eat. Somehow, a fruit led to his Son's death, and millions of others through misunderstood doctrines.
yet you still trust his judgment? This guy has failed so many times, if he was real I'd be dead for calling him dumbo.
You are mad.
Easy on him please. He's just a victim of indoctrination.
Primesky: If you depend on signs to deside which is which, then I can tell you that, you will likely miss it. We have an enemy who is hell bent on making sure we (humanity) perish. This malevolent fellow, is smart, intelligent and cunning. He has been around even before the creation of man, and as such knows more than man. I will never try to argue with him without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I may not be able to win him with mere human wisdom. His strength is in reasoning and arguments. But my strength is in faith. He seeks to fight on the turf of reasoning, outside faith, but I will maintain my position on my turf, faith.
We have so many religion today because of this bad fellow. He has been convincing many with all manner of proofs and lieing evidences. But the bible tells us, that the only way to decipher this bad guy and his colleagues, is by their fruits. So, again he begins to infiltrate Christianity as well, so that people will have no firm grip of it. Why do we have so many varing and divergent creed and groups?, it's deception!.
The devil has placed so much land mines on humanity's way in order to make it difficult for it (humanity) to identify the truth.
The one evidence I have for you is that, the founder of all other religions are dead and buried, but Jesus Christ died, and rose again just as He said, and He still lives, and He will still come back just as He promised.
Though Islam denies His death, but Islam affirms His coming back. If that be the case, the question will be, who is this person who continues to live after thousands of years ago, that will still come back again to save. Again, Koran directs it's adherants, to search for the answers in the Bible, that gives you a clue as well. The whole thing then, is like an objective type question, in which you will be given multiple choice to choose from of which only one is correct. By their fruit, you shall know them.
Of all the other religion, which did you hear or read that the founder gave his/her life for the adherants?. That's another clue. The bible is God's word. If you don't accept it, then is nobody's fault, but yours. Your salvation is to your own profit.
Jesus Christ is the way.
You've not answered the question but I didn't expect you to cause obviously, there are no answers to the questions.
I asked you not to use the bible as a point of reference but you just couldn't help it. The bible is a great work of literature no doubt but that's just it. It has its own share of myths, contradictions and exaggerations.
It's very ridiculous that you think a Jewish carpenter died for you: a black man from Africa and you believe its true because a book which was written aeons ago said so. Your whole believe is centered on this book and nothing more.
why do you believe so much in this book written by illiterate middle eastern nomads despite the numerous contradictions and evil exploits by Yahweh? What makes the bible stand out?
Primesky: The Bible is enough evidence. The one doing the saving has given us what He wants, do you give Him conditions?. Are our lives on earth itself not enough evidence to show you we need help?.
Should I begin to sleep around because I haven't had STDs and infection?, and begin to doubt it?. Why I haven't seen hell or heaven personaly, I have seen persons, not one or two, from around the world who have detailed their personal experiences. These persons by the way are not connected physically or relatated, yet their accounts are strikingly similar, and in agreement with what the bible says. By the way, seeing heaven or hell is not the issue, the issue is believing God's word. Man says seeing is believing, God says blessed are they who haven't seen, yet believe. If anybody have issues with that, let them deal with it. With God, it's either faith, or nothing.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
If you want to understand spiritual things, you will have to first have an understanding of physical things, because the physical world we are in, is a mere shadow of what is out there in the spiritual realm. Everything here is structured following spiritual order.
If a man commits a crime here, we are certainly sure he will do the time. If the time is forever, what becomes of that man, assuming he will never die, which is the case in the spiritual realm?. Such a person is doomed!. With that in mind, you now have a saviour who is offering to do the time for you, will you begin to ask Him conditions, signs, and evidences, when He has truly committed Himself? Wouldn't you grab such opportunity with both hands, knowing it's not perpetually open?. I guess the question we need to ask and answer is, do we know and agree that we have sinned and trespassed God's laws?., do you know such trespass attract punishment?. A sincere fellow will own up.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
The next question is, can you do the time, serve the punishment?. We certainly can't, because it's eternal death. However, the one who says no, and posit to have done no wrong, will have no reason to accept salvation, but that's a complete lie. We all have done wrong and we all need a saviour in this case.
The opinion of anybody, doesn't matter. Even though you're entitled to it.
Jesus saves.
the problem is that the bible is not enough proof for the existence of an afterlife in both heaven and hell. Every religion has a book which it claims to contain spiritual truth but there are no tested and trusted way to know which of this books is actually the truth.
So your job of evangelism is incomplete if you cant convince unbelievers like me about the existence of hell and heaven without mentioning the bible. We need empirical evidence. This shouldnt be rocket science for an omnipotent god.
hilaryxoxo: THEY WILL NEVER ALLOW YOU TO WRITE TOEFL WITHOUT YOUR PASSPORT. That was why they closed down the center in Ogunlana, Surulere - after they found them compromising the rules. You sef, why didn't you renew your passport on time. It's your fault. Say bye-bye to your 45k.
When i took mine, they allowed some guys after they showed them their toefl account and national Id card
crude90: gurus in d house is it ok 2 migrate tru this CGI international conference coming up on the 15th may...i hav already paid the conference fee..what do u suggest house ?
pseudonomer: Please, I have a very important question. Please, My International Passport was supposed to be renewed but the no booklet issue is really eating on me. I have this exam tomorrow.
Do you think I will be admitted for the test?
Go with your driving license plus the username and password to your toefl account. Plead with them, they will listen to you once they confirm that you are not impersonating the real test taker.
Ameeboh: I am a Christian, yeah, but if at your age and level of exposure you still think that everyone who calls his or herself a Christian is affected by the bandwagon policy of crucifying your enemy with fire or hating others who don't share the same beliefs with you, then I think your level of exposure is a waste.
As a Christian, I hate it when I see other churches carrying out prayers in the road while disturbing their neighbours because I think you are infringing on their freedom of worship. If everyone around you aren't Christians, don't you think it is stupid to disturb them with your prayers when you know they won't be happy about it. It isn't Christlike neither does it show love.
And about people who hate others based on religion, I don't know what to say about them to make them have sense. The person (Christ) who they say they're emulating was all about brotherhood, sense of community and love. It is stupid of them to do so and anyone who does that isn't a real Christian.
If because of what some people who call themselves Christians but aren't what they say they are, you think you should generalize the whole group and say evil about them, do well to continue.
My dear, don't stop criticizing about what you don't like, just try not to use abusive words while doing so.
Even if I call myself a Christian, I still think the greatest religion is love, that is what binds all religion together. In loving, you don't speak ill of your neighbour. Try love.
Christianity Etc › Re: RCCG GO Pastor Adeboye Want You To Call Him "Daddy" But The Bible Says Otherwise by sKeetz(m): 5:00am On May 06, 2018
