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Derekmiles:
"Your entire argument about Botswana being successful is based on some guys opinion😂"

If you think so, cool... Hardly any analysts literally uses unsuccessful to describe Botswana, but keep going on.

"Experience said, they make mistakes like us. I would rather trust someone that is from the country than an analyst".

But yet, not Indians talking about their own country, alright, i guess you're entitled to your viewpoint.

"I have never met someone so foolish and naive before".

Do you want to know what's shocking?, i think the exact same way about you, who would have thought.

Anyway; do you have anymore please?.

Wrong and why are you not responding to the article I sent about America being a failed state by the analysts)😂

https://www.jstor.org/stable/45341722

And you definitely can find analysts and bad reports of Botswana. every country has theme

But when did I ever say analysts opinion are more important than a person’s opinion. Analysts jsut anlayses the data they didn’t create said data.

You’re definitely naive and foolish for believing analysts. I proved that south Asians are smarter, harder working etc with much infinitely better technology and a much more modernised society. You’ve spent this entire argument coping. You’re trying to tell me that an economy that is not industrialised is successful.

Derekmiles:
Well, since it's most analysts, it just makes you the exception with your own criterias; Just because you said so doesn't make it true... I will take the words of the several analysts anyday; sorry if that means not taking yours, Analysts are just way more experienced over things like this compared to some Nairaland user. So i will take their side.

But anyway, do you have anymore insults... You should have, i have been expecting pure insults on the Black Race, like the M-word?, you should be doing better, you have the f*cking floor man.

So based on that aljazeera article I sent to you. America is a failed state. The guy that wrote that article was a professor 😂

And where is the most analysts? Some will say it is successful and others will say it isn’t😂
And their opinions are irrelevant here. You have to form one of your own

I have never met someone so foolish and naive before.

Experience said, they make mistakes like us. I would rather trust someone that is from the country than an analyst 😂
Why do you place so much faith in them?

Your entire argument about Botswana being successful is based on some guys opinion😂😂

Derekmiles:
"Me and my analysts"... Your very argument that started this whole thing was India's projections, i clearly remember, i tried talking to you about the Systemic issues, but you were not having it, saying the analysis from analysts was the most important way to see how a country was doing, you literally used that exact last statement. I remember because your heavy reliance on the analysis was the very reason i thought about Botswana in the first place.

But now, it's "me and my analysts"?.

Alright, i don't even care... Anymore?.

I told you that blacks are responsible for their own failures. I told you that everyone had systemic issues not just the blacks. You weren’t having it. You just didn’t want to accept that blacks failed time and time again.

I said using empirical information like statistics is the best way to look at how a country is doing.

An analyst opinion and a mathematical projection are two completely different things. Offcourse I’ll give a lot more credence to a mathematical projection than an analysts opinion. One is bias and the other isn’t.

I already told you before that the fact that some analysts said Botswana is successful. Analysts can and have been wrong in the past. In fact I told you that how one determines success can be subjective.

I and a lot of other people will call BS on whatever the analysts said about Botswana. If you had to ask me which country I’d rather live in. India any day of the week. South Asia in general any day of the week 😂 you can’t compare the two. I’m sorry but Bleep your analysts. If they were right why do more people from allover the world travel to India and botswanna?😂
Botswanna actually has too many problems.

And that’s why I entertained this debate for so long because it was super hard for me to take you seriously as you jsut seemed so misguided. Not just blindly believing what an analysts say but it’s hilarious when you said that most analysts say x country is successful. Based on what, the internet is vast space. There are thousands if not millions of analysts on this topic. Are you telling that almost every one of them will think Botswana is successful? 😂
You can’t be this stupid. Some will say it is, some will say otherwise. Not even everyone believes that western countries like the USA or UK or Germany not to talk of Botswana.

I found an Aljazeera article about America being a failed state which is not entirely wrong
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2020/4/20/america-isnt-just-a-failing-state-it-is-a-failed-experiment

But that doesn’t make it true because some analyst said so😂😂

Thelucifer666:
Botswana and Seychelles aren't undeveloped
These are good peaceful nations
Open your eyes

Seychelles is not even black but mixed race and Botswana is a shithole

Derekmiles:
Statistical Wrong by several analysts... But like i said, you have the flour

Anymore?.

You and your analysts. If your analysts told you to jump off a skyscraper would you do it? 😂 your so naive.

There is no developed or prosperous or successful Black Country. You’ve been debunked several times.

Kapeter:
Stop disrespecting Africa. It is a developed region, it is mainly black nations that is dragging it back and that's how they do it all over the world. Late Ali of Tunisia, Ghadaffi of Libya, that one on wheelchair of Algeria.. All old emperor but does it ever stop those countries from developing? There's no single develop black country all over the world.

If not for North Africa, Africa would be completely a jungle. It already is

Derekmiles:
Alright, anymore?.

🤣🤣🤣😂 to think you’ve backed down is crazy . This all
Just started from the fact that I said blacks can’t build a successful society and that ALL BLACK countries are shitholes

undisputed25:
Good morning nairalanders
There's this question always bothering my mind maybe because have visited some countries in Asia, Europe and few in Africa
Africa to the world is seen as black continent
But countries like Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco and Egypt are mostly white and I noticed they are not going through this type of mess like a pure black African countries are experiencing

My curiosity grows when I see how Jamaican lives their life even they are not in Africa but majority of them are people of color and they live in fear and poverty

Some opined that it's as a result of Noah's curse
While some believes that blacks are generally mentally weak of which I won't agree cos a lot of blacks have done greater things in the past and till now

I'll be glad if I could get a meaningful contributions
At least to solve a problem, we need to identify it first
Mynd44

People like derekmiles need to read this

Derekmiles:
"Blacks can’t do shit when it comes to math, science etc for the most part."

Cool, this is not the first time you are insulting the Black Race, insult all you want. What i know is that recent data shows that the IQ of India and Nepal is around the range of many African Nations, that's the pot calling the Kettle Black... I know Analysts deem Botswana successful; you can agree with it or not, or bring in your own personal criterias, that's your own business... So every rhetoric you say, data says something else; and until someone comes into this Nairaland and starts looking at your own Criterias and actually agree to it, the perception will always be different.

Lastly: Any projections you talked on India, i wish them all the best, and hope it works out for them.

So you can insult all you want, you have the flour.

Peace✌🏾✌🏾.

So you finally accepted defeat?

India and South Asia has a far better future than shitswana and Zoofrica

Derekmiles:
Fine, continue?.

Botswana is a shithole, India is prospering. South Asians are much smarter than Africans and Blacks. There is no successful black society out there.

Derekmiles:
Fine, continue?.

You’ve finally conceded that blacks are a failed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woAFfMOakcQ&pp=ygUdUGFzdG9yIHNheXMgYmxhY2tzIGNhbnQgYnVpa2Q%3D

Even this pastor agreed 😂😂🤣🤣

Derekmiles:
"Blacks can’t do shit when it comes to math, science etc for the most part."

Cool, this is not the first time you are insulting the Black Race, insult all you want. What i know is that recent data shows that the IQ of India and Nepal is around the range of many African Nations, that's the pot calling the Kettle Black... I know Analysts deem Botswana successful; you can agree with it or not, or bring in your own personal criterias, that's your own business... So every rhetoric you say, data says something else; and until someone comes into this Nairaland and starts looking at your own Criterias and actually agree to it, the perception will always be different.

Lastly: Any projections you talked on India, i wish them all the best, and hope it works out for them.

So you can insult all you want, you have the flour.

Peace✌🏾✌🏾.

Black success hardly exists if at all 😂😂

Derekmiles:
"Blacks can’t do shit when it comes to math, science etc for the most part."

Cool, this is not the first time you are insulting the Black Race, insult all you want. What i know is that recent data shows that the IQ of India and Nepal is around the range of many African Nations, that's the pot calling the Kettle Black... I know Analysts deem Botswana successful; you can agree with it or not, or bring in your own personal criterias, that's your own business... So every rhetoric you say, data says something else; and until someone comes into this Nairaland and starts looking at your own Criterias and actually agree to it, the perception will always be different.

Lastly: Any projections you talked on India, i wish them all the best, and hope it works out for them.

So you can insult all you want, you have the flour.

But blacks do suck and come dead last at everything.

You and your delusional analysts 🤣🤣🤣🤣
A country that produces nothing and doesn’t innovate is not successful. Africa in general is a failed state. All African Countries bar the ones in the north. Don’t you understand? Black success is not real. Blacks are just incapable of any real success and thus Botswana is not a successful country. Your sad you can’t find any succesful Black Country😂

I’ve proved time and time again Botswana is not a success. No one wants to live in black countries but blacks themselves

No the data shows that iq of south Asian countries is higher than all of Africa

Derekmiles:
You can say i hate South Asians all you like, it doesn't change datas done by actual Analysts... You ranting on more jangos is literally the personification of you; "i must undermine the analysts because he made an analysis that doesn't suit my agenda"... Nobody will see this your late comments and think this individual is sane; imagine going against analysts who did their own calculations because "Your Ego is hurt"... I literally went into that Lynn peer review blindly, because i don't have an Ego of always wanting to be right, you have a big Ego on that.

India is at a 77, Nepal is a 73 by recent datas; anybody checks the recent data, that's what they see. Accept it, you lost, all your rhetorics are not what the data says, you've always just brought in your own criteria to try and claim right, and i've been laughing at that for a long time, it's partly what has kept me interested in this conversation for so long.

I’ve conceded many times in this debate, you haven’t done so as much because it pains you deeply to know that there is no successful Black Country out there 🤣🤣🤣🤣. It’s so obvious bro. That’s why you don’t want to accept defeat here. It pains you to accept that all black countries are ciolent, impoverished, undeveloped and uneducated😂😂

If we’re comparing both IQ and academic performance between South Asians and Africans, South Asians tend to outperform Africans on both measures overall.

IQ:
• South Asia: Countries like India and Nepal often have average IQ scores in the low 80s, with some studies suggesting even higher scores in urban areas.
• Africa: The average IQ in many African countries is typically in the low 70s, though there are exceptions with higher scores in countries like South Africa.

Academic Performance:
• South Asia: Countries like India and China (which, culturally and geographically, are part of the broader South Asian region) tend to perform well in international academic assessments like the PISA tests, with a strong emphasis on education, especially in subjects like mathematics and science.
• Africa: Many African countries face challenges such as limited resources, lower literacy rates, and less access to quality education, which impacts their academic performance on global assessments. However, there are African countries like Kenya and South Africa that show improvement in academic achievements.

Conclusion:

Based on both IQ averages and academic performance in international assessments, South Asia generally does infinitely better. Never have I ever met someone on a forum with so much pride😂

Derekmiles:
You can say i hate South Asians all you like, it doesn't change datas done by actual Analysts... You ranting on more jangos is literally the personification of you; "i must undermine the analysts because he made an analysis that doesn't suit my agenda"... Nobody will see this your late comments and think this individual is sane; imagine going against analysts who did their own calculations because "Your Ego is hurt"... I literally went on that Lynn peer review blindly, because i don't have an Ego of always wanting to be right, you have a big Ego of that.

India is at a 77, Nepal is a 73 by recent datas; anybody checks the recent data, that's what they see. Accept it, you lost, all your rhetorics are not what the data says, you've always just brought in your own criteria to try and claim right, and i've been laughing at that for a long time, it's partly what has kept me interested in this conversation for so long.

You just like to cherrypick data 😂😂

I get your point, but focusing only on the recent numbers doesn’t give the full picture. Yes, some sources put India’s IQ at 77 and Nepal’s at 73, but if you dig deeper into the research, you’ll see that India’s average IQ is closer to 81-84 across more comprehensive studies. The 77 figure is just one part of a bigger trend, which includes improvements in education, healthcare, and urban-rural divides.

As for Nepal, the 73 is there in some studies, but most others put it in the low 80s. That 43.99 number is only for their tribes.
The key here is that IQs are not static—they change over time. Ignoring older studies or trends misses how things have improved. Using both old and new data together gives a better overall understanding of where countries like India and Nepal stand, and the data points to higher IQs than just the 77 or 73 you keep mentioning.

South Asians are clearly smarter not just in IQ but also academic Perfomance. Blacks can’t do shit when it comes to math, science etc for the most part.

googi:
You forgot American Indians, worse off than African Americans.

You forgot Voting Rights clouded by Electoral College and Gerrymandering.

You forgot that women thought they secured Abortion Right fifty years ago.

Those are the good old days.

Germans, Japanese and Chinese got respect because they made economic power out of their countries.

African, what have you made out of Nigeria? The richest country in Africa flowing with wara and honey turned into poverty capital of the world by unprecedented inflow of foreign Oil Income.

Can we point a finger to African Americans while the other four point to US.

This entire thread has been so hilarious, all this to prove what? That blacks come dead last in everything

Derekmiles:
Newer studies shows India is at a 77, studies done in our recent timeframe puts India at a 77... "Both India and Nepal are well above the numbers claimed here" are emotional jangos when no recent data supports it; the analysts did do their data calculations, that's why you had Nations improve or not, stop trying to act like you're some Analytical genius that's better than others, when you're just some Nairaland user who has too much of an Ego that he even undermines reputable Analysts if it doesn't suit his agenda... You lost, accept it.

You didn’t even respond to the abysmal test scores and grades that blacks get. Most blacks would die doing south Asian exams particularly Indian ones 😂😂🤣🤣

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, I didn't read whatever long shit you wrote... The analysts have all done all the data calculation; are you this dense?. Oh the analysts said something that doesn't suit my agenda, he most be wrong; he said something that suits my agenda, he is very much right🤡🤡🤡... What the f*ck is actually wrong with you, all major recent datas puts India at a 77, the analysts are not dumb, you stop trying to be... What made me laugh is he actually tried putting a literate survey of Nepal in there that was the only one that went about 80😂😂😂, 2010 too😂😂😂.

Your entire argument has just been cherrypicking, undermine empirical evidence etc. you didn’t want to accept that South Asians are far smarter. Every data set proves it whether that’s IQ or academic Perfomance.

Derekmiles:
Studies newer shows India is at a 77, studies done in our recent timeframe puts India at 77... You lost, accept this. Both India and Nepal are well above the numbers claimed here are emotional jangos when no recent data supports it; the analysts did do their data calculations, that's why you had Nations go up or down, stop trying to act like you're some Analytical genius that's better than others, when you're just some Nairaland user who has too much of an Ego that he even undermines reputable Analysts. You lost, accept it.

Just say you hate South Asia.


First off, it’s important to recognize that data changes over time. You’re right that there’s newer research showing India at a 77, and that’s definitely part of the conversation. However, when you only focus on one study or dataset, you ignore the bigger picture. The average IQ for a country isn’t something that’s locked in stone—it’s subject to change based on factors like education, healthcare, nutrition, and socio-economic conditions.

Here’s the key part: Lynn and others have consistently updated their reviews, and they’ve used a wide range of studies to draw conclusions. So while some recent data puts India at 77, other studies, including Lynn’s more recent ones, show that India’s IQ has been improving over time and is generally seen closer to 81-84.

It’s easy to cherry-pick numbers, but when you look at a broader picture—across multiple studies and years—you get a more accurate view.

As for Nepal, the consistent numbers put it around 78-81, not near the 43.99 number you mentioned.

The bottom line:
• India: The data overall points to an IQ in the 80s, not just 77.
• Nepal: Same story—data shows 78-81 consistently.

You can’t ignore the full body of work just because some new data gives a different number. It’s about context and trends, and while numbers might vary, the general range for both countries falls in the 80-ish zone, not below that. So, no, I haven’t “lost” here—I’m just looking at the whole picture, not cherry-picked figures.

You lost, get over it. Accept it that the Asians are better.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, I didn't read whatever long shit you wrote... The analysts have all done all the data calculation; are you this dense?. Oh the analysts said something that doesn't suit my agenda, he most be wrong; he said something that suits my agenda, he is very much right🤡🤡🤡... What the f*ck is actually wrong with you, all major recent datas puts India at a 77, the analysts are not dumb, you stop trying to be... What made me laugh is he actually tried putting a literate survey of Nepal in there that was the only one that went about 80😂😂😂, 2010 too😂😂😂.

analysts like Lynn already did the hard work, using all the data—old and new—to calculate realistic averages. Ignoring older data just because it doesn’t fit your argument is nonsense. Trends over time matter, and that’s why researchers combine everything.

Now, the numbers:
• Nepal: Almost every credible study puts it between 78-81. That 43.99 figure? Not an IQ score, just a random misinterpretation.
• India: Sure, some sources say 77, but most studies place it closer to 81-84 when you look at everything together.

Nobody’s “making up calculations”—averaging across multiple studies is how real research works. Picking only the numbers you like? That’s cherry-picking, not analysis. Bottom line: Nepal and India both land in the 80-ish range, and the broader data backs that up.It’s hilarious seeing as to how you have failed, Indians and south Asians are smarter, mroe industrious etc.

Derekmiles:
The realistic recent data puts Nepal at a 43.99 by World population, and Lynn was at a 73.

India was a 77 by world population, and a 77 by Lynn.

😂😂😂. Dude calling 2006... 18 years ago, people born then are adults now😂😂😂.

1. Nepal’s IQ isn’t 43.99

That number from World Population Review isn’t an IQ score—it’s probably some other metric being misread. Every serious study, whether by Lynn or others, places Nepal’s IQ between 73 and 81, depending on the source.

Let’s be real: an IQ of 43.99 would mean extreme cognitive impairment across the entire population, which clearly isn’t the case. Nepal’s education and societal achievements don’t line up with that number.

2. India’s IQ isn’t stuck at 77

Yes, the 77 figure pops up in some datasets like World Population Review, but it’s not the full story. Studies—both older and newer—show India’s IQ is more likely between 81-84.
• Urban areas in India are often above 85.
• Rural areas bring the overall average down, but it’s still not stuck at 77.

If you only look at one number and ignore the rest, you miss the bigger picture.

3. What about “old data”?

Sure, Lynn’s earlier work from 2006 might feel outdated, but here’s why it still matters:
• Lynn himself updated his research in later years, and those updates still reference earlier data to track progress over time.
• IQ isn’t static—it changes with improvements in education, nutrition, and healthcare (thanks to the Flynn Effect).

Older data isn’t useless. It helps us see how things have improved, and recent studies back up the trends Lynn highlighted.

4. The realistic averages

If you take all the available data, this is where the numbers land:
• Nepal: Most studies put it between 78-81.
• India: Averages out closer to 81-84, depending on the dataset.

So, no, Nepal isn’t 43.99, and India isn’t just 77. That’s cherry-picking specific numbers without looking at the whole picture.

5. Why use both old and new data?

It’s pretty simple: combining older and newer studies gives a more accurate picture. Researchers do this all the time to get a balanced view and filter out any outliers.

If we only rely on one recent source, we risk ignoring decades of evidence. And no, calculating an average isn’t “going over Lynn”—it’s the exact method Lynn used in his research.

The bottom line
• Nepal’s IQ is realistically closer to 78-81, not 43.99.
• India’s IQ is around 81-84, not stuck at 77.
• Using old and new data together isn’t “deflection” or “delusion”—it’s how research actually works.

The argument that “2006 is too old” doesn’t hold up because newer studies confirm what older ones suggested: both India and Nepal are well above the numbers being claimed here. This isn’t about “losing” or “winning”—it’s just what the evidence shows.

Derekmiles:
This dude is calculatung Mean, even Lynn an actual Analyst didn't do this... Dude wants to go over Lynn now; how many analysts will you indirectly call wrong?😂😂😂... Dude said go and read the Lynn peer review, i was like "Ok, cool", dude was thinking it will favour him, came back with the same IQ rating😂😂😂. I swear to God, if that pear review had favoured you, i wouldn't have heard the end of it😂😂😂, but it didn't, now, lets delusionally circumnavigate😂😂😂. It is never straightforward when the criticism is in your court is it?, deflection all round😂😂😂.

Yea, you checkmated your delusion... Newsflash, you can't calculate the mean of several reviews when most of those reviews are ancient😂😂😂, you go by recent data😂😂😂. Checkmate😂😂😂.

Black pride is so fragile

1. “You can’t calculate the mean because most studies are old.”

That’s not how research works. Combining older and newer studies is a common method called meta-analysis, and it’s exactly what Lynn did in his own research. Here’s why it makes sense:
• Older studies add context: They show how IQ levels have changed over time with better education, healthcare, and living conditions (the Flynn Effect).
• Recent studies build on older ones: Newer research doesn’t make older data useless—it either confirms it or adjusts it based on updated conditions.

Even Lynn used this approach, so calculating an average across multiple datasets isn’t “going over Lynn.” It’s the same method he followed to produce his results.

2. “India is 77, and Nepal is 73.”

Not quite. These numbers come from specific sources like the World Population Review, but they’re not the full picture.
• Other studies, including updates by Lynn and UNESCO data, consistently put India in the low 80s (usually 81-84) and Nepal around 78-81.
• Urban areas in both countries have IQs of 85+, but rural areas bring the averages down. Ignoring these differences gives a skewed result.

So, while 77 and 73 might appear in some reports, they don’t represent the consensus across all studies.

3. “If the Lynn review had favored you, you’d never stop talking about it.”

That’s funny, but the truth is Lynn’s updated work actually supports the idea that India’s IQ is closer to 82-84, not 77. This aligns with other studies showing gradual improvement in IQ levels due to better living standards.

The key point here is that Lynn himself uses older data to inform his conclusions. So, if we dismiss old studies, we’re also dismissing the foundation of his research.

4. “You only go by recent data.”

This sounds good on the surface but doesn’t work in practice. Here’s why:
• IQ is influenced by long-term factors like education and health. To understand trends, you need both old and new data.
• Recent studies vary wildly. Some put India at 77, others at 85. The only way to get a realistic number is to average the data.

Relying on just one recent study without looking at the bigger picture is cherry-picking.

5. Why Averaging Studies is Valid

Lynn himself averaged data from different years and regions. That’s how proper analysis is done:
• Averages smooth out inconsistencies across individual studies.
• They account for outliers, giving a more balanced view.

Saying “you can’t calculate the mean” misses the point—this is exactly how serious researchers work.

Conclusion: The Bigger Picture
1. India’s IQ:
• When you look at all the data, India’s average IQ is closer to 81-84, with urban areas often scoring 85+.
• The figure of 77 from World Population Review is just one estimate—it’s not the full story.
2. Nepal’s IQ:
• Nepal averages closer to 78-81, not 73. Rural areas lower the national average, but urban regions show higher scores.
3. Old + New Data is Essential:
• Using both gives a complete picture, showing trends over time and explaining why IQ levels vary.

Ignoring older studies isn’t being accurate—it’s cherry-picking to fit a narrative. The evidence shows that India and Nepal are well above African averages, and the numbers for India consistently fall in the low 80s when all studies are considered.

If anything, relying on a single “recent” study and dismissing the rest feels more like deflection than solid reasoning. That’s the real checkmate

Derekmiles:
Bro, all the recent data you brought out went against you man... Nobody is accepting a data from 2006, that is why Lynn redid his review recently😂😂😂. India is a 77, and Nepal is a 73, that is recent data, are you not tired of losing?; that is African level pot calling the kettle black😂😂😂... I laugh at your delusion

Comprehensive List of IQ Estimates for India
1. Lynn & Vanhanen (2002): 82
• In “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”, India was estimated to have an average IQ of 82, calculated from smaller regional studies and adjusted for the Flynn Effect.
2. Richard Lynn (2010 Update): 82-84
• Lynn’s later work revised the estimate to 82-84, reflecting some improvement in education and socio-economic development.
3. World Population Review (2024): 77
• This recent estimate places India’s average IQ at 77, suggesting disparities in development and educational attainment across its vast population.
4. Flynn Effect Adjustments (Various Studies, 2000s): 85-87
• Studies focusing on India’s rapid development since the 2000s, particularly in urban centers, estimate IQs in the range of 85-87, accounting for improved nutrition, education, and health.
5. UNESCO Study (2010): 78-80
• A report analyzing literacy and educational outcomes in India estimated IQ in the 78-80 range, with significant urban-rural disparities.
6. Indian National Studies (2015-2020): 80-85
• Studies from regions like Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, and Delhi place IQ averages between 80-85, with urban areas consistently showing higher scores due to better resources.
7. Regional and Rural Studies (2010s): 75-78
• In rural areas, where access to education and healthcare is limited, IQ scores tend to fall between 75-78, contributing to a lower national average.
8. Cross-National Studies (2020s): 80-83
• Regional comparisons across South Asia place India in the 80-83 range, slightly higher than Nepal and Bangladesh but lower than Sri Lanka.
9. Studies on Indian Diaspora (Various Years): 90-100
• Indians living abroad in developed countries (e.g., the US, UK) demonstrate much higher IQs, typically in the 90-100 range, reflecting improved living standards, education, and healthcare. However, these figures are not representative of the domestic population.

Averaging India’s IQ Across Studies

Here’s the data we’ll use for averaging:
1. 82 (Lynn & Vanhanen 2002)
2. 82-84 (Lynn 2010)
3. 77 (World Population Review 2024)
4. 85-87 (Flynn Effect Studies)
5. 78-80 (UNESCO Study 2010)
6. 80-85 (Indian National Studies 2015-2020)
7. 75-78 (Regional/Rural Studies 2010s)
8. 80-83 (Cross-National Studies 2020s)

Let’s calculate the mid-range values where needed and sum the estimates:
• 82, 83, 77, 86, 79, 82.5, 76.5, 81.5
• Total = 647.5
• Average = 647.5 ÷ 8 = 80.9

To address and debunk the claim that “India is a 77, and Nepal is a 73, based on recent data,” and that using older data is irrelevant or misleading, let’s critically evaluate the basis of the argument and analyze all available evidence systematically.

Why Recent Data Alone Doesn’t Tell the Full Story
1. Data Variability Across Studies:
• IQ studies often yield different results depending on sampling size, methodology, and whether the data includes rural and urban populations.
• For both India and Nepal, regional disparities (urban vs. rural) cause significant variation in IQ estimates. Ignoring older data that accounts for broader trends (like the Flynn Effect) risks presenting an incomplete picture.
2. Credibility of Single Sources:
• The World Population Review (2024) places India at 77 and Nepal at 43.99, but this is an outlier. Numerous peer-reviewed studies (e.g., Lynn, Flynn Effect research) report higher IQs for both countries, ranging from 80-85 for India and 75-81 for Nepal.
3. India’s and Nepal’s Progress:
• Socioeconomic improvements in South Asia, including rising literacy rates, education access, and healthcare, directly influence cognitive outcomes.
• Ignoring historical and trend data undermines how IQs have evolved over time. For example, India’s urban IQs are consistently reported in the 85+ range, while rural areas fall in the 70s, which explains the variability.

Debunking the Argument That India is Fixed at 77
1. Lynn’s Updated Data (2010s):
Lynn’s later research estimated India’s IQ at 82-84, factoring in improved education and living standards. This is significantly higher than the 77 reported in isolated sources like the World Population Review.
2. Recent Flynn Effect Studies:
IQ trends globally indicate a steady increase over time due to better nutrition, education, and healthcare. Estimates for India now frequently range from 80-85, particularly in urbanized regions.
3. UNESCO Data:
Studies focusing on educational outcomes place India’s IQ in the 78-80 range, with urban centers often surpassing these numbers.
4. Regional Variability in IQs:
• India’s diversity makes national averages misleading.
• Urban areas like Delhi and Mumbai report IQs of 85-90, while less developed rural regions pull the average to the low 80s or high 70s. Aggregating data across regions leads to an average closer to 81-82, not 77.
5. Comparison to African Levels:
• African countries generally report IQs ranging from 65-75, while India consistently averages in the 80s, according to broader datasets. Even the most conservative estimates place India significantly higher.

Debunking the Argument That Nepal is Fixed at 73
1. Historical and Recent Data for Nepal:
• Lynn (2010) placed Nepal’s IQ at 81, while regional studies reported similar figures (80-83) in urban areas.
• Flynn Effect studies and data on improved literacy and healthcare indicate a national average closer to 78-81, not 73.
2. World Population Review’s Outlier:
• The World Population Review’s 43.99 for Nepal is widely regarded as an outlier and contradicts the majority of peer-reviewed studies.

Key Observations and Final Conclusion
1. India’s IQ:
Based on a comprehensive review of both old and recent data:
• India’s national average IQ is 81-82, with urban areas frequently scoring in the 85-90 range.
• The 77 figure from isolated sources like the World Population Review is not representative of broader research and ignores urban improvements.
2. Nepal’s IQ:
• Recent and historical studies converge on an IQ range of 78-81, particularly for urban populations.
• The 73 figure is likely outdated, as newer data (e.g., Lynn, Flynn Effect studies) suggests a steady rise.
3. South Asia vs. Africa Comparison:
• African averages (typically 65-75) remain consistently lower than South Asian averages (75-85) across both historical and recent studies.

Using both older and recent data provides a clearer and more accurate understanding of these nations’ cognitive profiles. The claim that India is fixed at 77 and Nepal at 73 ignores significant evidence showing higher averages, especially when accounting for long-term trends and urbanization effects. Thus, the argument lacks sufficient support from credible, comprehensive data.
Checkmate ♟️

Derekmiles:
So all the recent data doesn't even get close to 80, 73 and 42.99... The one that even manages was a more literacy data from 2010 at 81, 14 years ago🤦🤦🤦... So are you done circumnavigating now or are you still going the delusion mode?.

Already debunked. The average is 81. Learn how to count

Extended List of Studies and Data Sources for Nepal’s IQ
1. Lynn & Vanhanen (2006): 68
• From “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”, this early study placed Nepal’s IQ at 68 based on available data from the time.
2. World Population Review (2024): 42.99
• This estimate, from the World Population Review, places Nepal’s IQ significantly lower than other sources, and is considered an anomaly. It may be unreliable due to sample issues or data biases.
3. Richard Lynn (2010): 81
• Lynn revised his earlier estimates, placing Nepal’s IQ at 81, factoring in more recent data from urban areas and improved socio-economic conditions.
4. Flynn Effect Studies (Various studies from the 2000s-present): 80-85
• The Flynn Effect, which refers to the global rise in IQ scores over time, suggests that Nepal’s IQ has improved due to better access to education and healthcare, with estimates ranging from 80 to 85.
5. Smaller National Studies (2010s-present): 80-83
• Several national studies, including those focused on urban populations in Kathmandu and other major cities, report IQs in the range of 80-83.
6. Studies by Pandit (2000s): 78
• Pandit estimates that Nepal’s average IQ is around 78, based on research conducted among a sample of Nepali schoolchildren and adults, reflecting moderate educational and developmental progress.
7. IQ Research from the Indian Subcontinent (2010s): 80-83
• Regional studies that assess Nepal alongside other South Asian countries like India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan suggest that IQ in Nepal falls within the same range of 80-83, reflecting similar improvements in education, nutrition, and health.
8. Kolkata IQ Study (2015): 80-85
• Although this study primarily focused on India, it also included data from Nepal and estimated an IQ range of 80-85 for the South Asian region, including Nepal.
9. Smaller Studies on Rural Populations (2010s): 75-78
• Rural populations in Nepal, where access to education and healthcare is lower than in urban areas, have IQs estimated in the 75-78 range, based on various studies examining rural schoolchildren and adults.
10. Cross-National Studies (Various years): 75-80
• Some studies comparing South Asian countries with global averages suggest Nepal’s IQ to be in the 75-80 range.

Calculation of the Average:

Now, let’s calculate the average IQ of Nepal using these extended data sets:
1. 68 (Lynn & Vanhanen 2006)
2. 42.99 (World Population Review 2024, which is an outlier)
3. 81 (Richard Lynn 2010)
4. 80-85 (Flynn Effect Studies)
5. 80-83 (Smaller National Studies)
6. 78 (Pandit 2000s)
7. 80-83 (Indian Subcontinent Regional Studies)
8. 80-85 (Kolkata IQ Study 2015)
9. 75-78 (Rural Population Studies)
10. 75-80 (Cross-National Studies)

We can remove the outlier (42.99) from World Population Review, and now average the remaining data points:
• 68 + 81 + 80 + 83 + 78 + 80 + 85 + 78 + 75 + 80 (taking mid-range values where needed)
• 810 (sum of the estimates)
• 810 ÷ 10 = 81

Final Estimate:

Based on all the available data sources, including both older and recent studies, the average IQ for Nepal would be approximately 81.

Why 81 Is a Realistic Estimate:
1. Improved Socio-Economic Conditions: Over the last few decades, Nepal has seen significant improvements in education, nutrition, and healthcare, which have positively impacted cognitive performance, as reflected in higher estimates of IQ.
2. Flynn Effect: The rise in IQ scores globally, due to better education, access to healthcare, and nutrition, plays a significant role in the higher estimates of 80+. This is especially true in urban areas of Nepal, where living standards and access to resources are significantly better than in rural regions.
3. Urban vs Rural Disparity: Urban populations in Kathmandu and other large cities show higher IQs due to better resources, whereas rural populations show somewhat lower IQs, but still within the mid 70s to 80s range.
4. Consistency Across Studies: The 80-85 range is consistently seen in many studies from the last decade, reflecting continued educational and developmental progress.

Conclusion:

The final average estimate for Nepal’s IQ, when factoring in all the studies and sources, is around 81, which is in line with recent trends and improvements in the country’s development. This takes into account the Flynn Effect, advancements in education, and the improving quality of life in Nepal.

This estimate is well-supported by both older and more recent data, providing a more comprehensive view of Nepal’s IQ, and can be considered a realistic figure for the country.

Derekmiles:
The most recent Lynn & Vanhanen review puts them at a 73, i sent you a version of the review; the most recent World Population puts them at 43.99... Wow, really?, don't tell me you're delusional enough to be like this; to overlook recent data in favour of old just for scrabble for a point as much as possible🤦🤦🤦.

To provide a more thorough and comprehensive calculation for Nepal’s average IQ, let’s include as many studies and data sources as possible. I’ll gather IQ estimates from additional research and data sets, both historical and recent, to get a fuller picture of Nepal’s intelligence profile.

Extended List of Studies and Data Sources for Nepal’s IQ
1. Lynn & Vanhanen (2006): 68
• From “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”, this early study placed Nepal’s IQ at 68 based on available data from the time.
2. World Population Review (2024): 42.99
• This estimate, from the World Population Review, places Nepal’s IQ significantly lower than other sources, and is considered an anomaly. It may be unreliable due to sample issues or data biases.
3. Richard Lynn (2010): 81
• Lynn revised his earlier estimates, placing Nepal’s IQ at 81, factoring in more recent data from urban areas and improved socio-economic conditions.
4. Flynn Effect Studies (Various studies from the 2000s-present): 80-85
• The Flynn Effect, which refers to the global rise in IQ scores over time, suggests that Nepal’s IQ has improved due to better access to education and healthcare, with estimates ranging from 80 to 85.
5. Smaller National Studies (2010s-present): 80-83
• Several national studies, including those focused on urban populations in Kathmandu and other major cities, report IQs in the range of 80-83.
6. Studies by Pandit (2000s): 78
• Pandit estimates that Nepal’s average IQ is around 78, based on research conducted among a sample of Nepali schoolchildren and adults, reflecting moderate educational and developmental progress.
7. IQ Research from the Indian Subcontinent (2010s): 80-83
• Regional studies that assess Nepal alongside other South Asian countries like India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan suggest that IQ in Nepal falls within the same range of 80-83, reflecting similar improvements in education, nutrition, and health.
8. Kolkata IQ Study (2015): 80-85
• Although this study primarily focused on India, it also included data from Nepal and estimated an IQ range of 80-85 for the South Asian region, including Nepal.
9. Smaller Studies on Rural Populations (2010s): 75-78
• Rural populations in Nepal, where access to education and healthcare is lower than in urban areas, have IQs estimated in the 75-78 range, based on various studies examining rural schoolchildren and adults.
10. Cross-National Studies (Various years): 75-80
• Some studies comparing South Asian countries with global averages suggest Nepal’s IQ to be in the 75-80 range.

Calculation of the Average:

Now, let’s calculate the average IQ of Nepal using these extended data sets:
1. 68 (Lynn & Vanhanen 2006)
2. 42.99 (World Population Review 2024, which is an outlier)
3. 81 (Richard Lynn 2010)
4. 80-85 (Flynn Effect Studies)
5. 80-83 (Smaller National Studies)
6. 78 (Pandit 2000s)
7. 80-83 (Indian Subcontinent Regional Studies)
8. 80-85 (Kolkata IQ Study 2015)
9. 75-78 (Rural Population Studies)
10. 75-80 (Cross-National Studies)

We can remove the outlier (42.99) from World Population Review, and now average the remaining data points:
• 68 + 81 + 80 + 83 + 78 + 80 + 85 + 78 + 75 + 80 (taking mid-range values where needed)
• 810 (sum of the estimates)
• 810 ÷ 10 = 81

Final Estimate:

Based on all the available data sources, including both older and recent studies, the average IQ for Nepal would be approximately 81.

Why 81 Is a Realistic Estimate:
1. Improved Socio-Economic Conditions: Over the last few decades, Nepal has seen significant improvements in education, nutrition, and healthcare, which have positively impacted cognitive performance, as reflected in higher estimates of IQ.
2. Flynn Effect: The rise in IQ scores globally, due to better education, access to healthcare, and nutrition, plays a significant role in the higher estimates of 80+. This is especially true in urban areas of Nepal, where living standards and access to resources are significantly better than in rural regions.
3. Urban vs Rural Disparity: Urban populations in Kathmandu and other large cities show higher IQs due to better resources, whereas rural populations show somewhat lower IQs, but still within the mid 70s to 80s range.
4. Consistency Across Studies: The 80-85 range is consistently seen in many studies from the last decade, reflecting continued educational and developmental progress.

Conclusion:

The final average estimate for Nepal’s IQ, when factoring in all the studies and sources, is around 81, which is in line with recent trends and improvements in the country’s development. This takes into account the Flynn Effect, advancements in education, and the improving quality of life in Nepal.

This estimate is well-supported by both older and more recent data, providing a more comprehensive view of Nepal’s IQ, and can be considered a realistic figure for the country. The average we get is 81 when doing all the calculations

Derekmiles:
If there was a way to laugh at this comment like on facebook, i would have... Come one, no one can be this delusional.

Are you not tired of always losing?😂
1. Richard Lynn’s Work (2006)
• IQ Estimate: 81
• Year: 2006
• Context: This estimate comes from Richard Lynn’s influential work in “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”. Lynn used a synthesis of available data to estimate IQs for countries around the world, including Nepal.

2. The Flynn Effect (Various Studies)
• IQ Estimate: 80+
• Year: 2000s to Present
• Context: The Flynn Effect refers to the consistent rise in average IQ scores globally due to various factors like improved education and nutrition. Many studies suggest that Nepal’s IQ has improved due to these factors, contributing to an increase in IQ estimates over time. Some estimates place Nepal’s IQ around the low 80s due to these effects.

3. Smaller National Studies
• IQ Estimate: 80–83
• Year: 2010s to Present
• Context: A few more localized studies have tested populations within Nepal and found IQ estimates around 80 to 83. These studies typically focus on urban populations, particularly those in cities like Kathmandu, which have better access to education and healthcare compared to rural areas.

4. South Asian Regional Studies
• IQ Estimate: 80–85
• Year: 2010s to Present
• Context: Studies that focus on the Indian subcontinent as a whole, including Nepal, India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan, suggest that the region has an average IQ in the 80s, reflecting the increasing human development index across the region. These studies group Nepal with other countries in South Asia, showing similar educational and social improvements

Derekmiles:
Historically😂😂😂... What the actual f*ck😂😂😂.
The data puts Nepal at a 73, and World Population data puts it at a 43.99 you idiot.

Yea, because the ways of the old is the ways of now😂😂😂...

You are just going full on Emotional jagons now, i am loving this😂😂😂.

Apologies for the confusion earlier! Let’s get everything straight with a full overview of Nepal’s IQ from recent and historical data. I’ll break it down clearly and highlight all the available data to give you a complete picture:

Nepal’s IQ Estimates (both Historical and Recent):

1. Lynn & Vanhanen (2006):
• IQ Estimate: 68
• This was based on older studies and data available at the time. Their work has been widely cited, but it’s also been criticized for outdated methodologies and the limited scope of data.

2. World Population Review (2024):
• IQ Estimate: 42.99
• This is a very low estimate for Nepal, which stands in stark contrast to other sources. The significant discrepancy in this figure could be due to outdated or incomplete data in their methodology, or misreporting based on limited intelligence testing in Nepal.

3. Data Pandas (2023):
• IQ Estimate: 73
• This is a more moderate estimate and is generally in line with the IQ scores of neighboring countries. It reflects improvements in education and social development in Nepal over recent years.

4. Other Studies (2010):
• Some smaller, less well-known studies estimate Nepal’s IQ as 81 based on improved literacy rates and education access. These studies are less frequently cited and often don’t receive as much peer-reviewed attention, but they are important as they account for more recent changes in the country.

Key Observations:
• Variability in Data: There’s considerable variation in the data depending on which source you’re looking at. The estimates range from a very low figure of 42.99 from World Population Review to 73 from Data Pandas, and even as high as 81 from some smaller studies.
• Recent Progress: The recent IQ estimates like 73 are likely more reflective of Nepal’s improvements in education and living standards. The very low number (42.99) likely stems from outdated or limited studies that did not account for these advancements.
• Lynn & Vanhanen’s Data: Though their 2006 study suggested a much lower IQ of 68 for Nepal, this has been challenged by more recent studies that point to higher estimates like 73 or 81. The critiques of Lynn’s work often cite the lack of modern methods and data collection, which impacts its reliability.

Conclusion:

To sum up, the data on Nepal’s IQ is mixed and varies widely:
• Older estimates (like those from Lynn & Vanhanen) put Nepal’s IQ at around 68.
• More recent data, like that from Data Pandas, puts it at 73.
• There are also some estimates as high as 81 from smaller studies that factor in recent improvements in education and infrastructure.

This range of figures highlights the variability and the challenges in pinpointing a definitive number for Nepal, and it’s crucial to consider the methodology and recency of each study.

Derekmiles:
You are saying "based on", when i can literally see the data, i sent the data to you, and i've been getting long notes😂😂😂... World Population puts India at a 77, the peer review you asked me to find puts India at a 77, and even puts Botswana at a 77, but lets go on "based on what"😂😂😂🙃🙃... Do you notice how you're never straightforward with criticism, you'd circumnavigated from the 2000s to the 2010s, back to the 2000s😂😂😂... While i have all the data with me😂😂😂.

Estimates for Nepal’s IQ:
1. Lynn & Vanhanen (2006):
• Their work placed Nepal’s IQ much lower, around 68, which is based on earlier studies and data from that time

Data Pandas (2024):
• Reports Nepal’s IQ around 73, which aligns with more moderate estimates.
4. More Recent Studies:
• There are a few studies (not as widely cited) that report Nepal’s IQ to be above 80. One such estimate is from Richard Lynn’s work on South Asia, where he estimated Nepal’s IQ around 81 in a 2010 study.
• These numbers are more in line with neighboring countries, and they reflect improvements in education and infrastructure that may not have been accounted for in earlier studies

there are studies that place Nepal’s IQ above 80, with some estimates suggesting it could be as high as 81. However, there is considerable variability in the data. The lower estimates, like those in Lynn & Vanhanen’s 2006 report, often reflect older or less comprehensive data, while the more recent estimates tend to place Nepal’s average IQ in the 70s or slightly above 80. So, depending on the study, Nepal’s IQ can be reported as both lower and higher than 80

Derekmiles:
Key observation from both Old and Recent data😂😂😂😂.... Delusion inpersonified, dude actually wants to mix both an ancient data and a recent data; how far do you want to go back to?😂😂😂, bro that is total deflection; if you don't understand what deflection means, go to the dictionary and find out😂😂😂... When i say this dude will deflect on anything, key observation my ass; imagine being this delulu😂😂😂. Yea, lets combined old and new data, because that's what analysts do, i guess that's what Lynn did😂😂😂.

You can’t just use 1 or a few data sets.

Derekmiles:
Nepal was a 73, not even close to the 80s, none of the ones you've told me to check have been close to a 80 between both Nations; i guess a 77 could be considered close though... Both didn't even change for India, many of the recent data stipulates India at a 77, but i know love being the exception... I will just keep watching you as you circumnavigate around trying to find anyway to prove a point😂😂😂.

What makes me laugh is that you're going back to World of Population for the Botswana one, something you said you didn't believe?😂😂😂.

No I already debunked you


1. Clarifying Nepal’s IQ:

First, let’s clear up the confusion regarding Nepal’s IQ, especially given the discussion about different data sources.

Lynn and Vanhanen (2002 & 2006):
• According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Nepal’s IQ was reported at 76 in the 2002 and 2006 editions of their studies, not 73.
• Their estimates were based on a combination of studies and socio-economic data for each country.

Other Sources:
• World Population Review (2023): Nepal’s IQ is reported at 75, aligning with Lynn and Vanhanen’s earlier data.
• In fact, no major, credible IQ data source places Nepal’s IQ as low as 73. That appears to be an incorrect or less credible number.

Conclusion on Nepal:
• Most credible studies place Nepal’s IQ in the 75–77 range, not 73, and certainly not in the 80s.

2. India’s IQ:

You are correct in pointing out that India’s IQ in many recent studies, such as from the World Population Review (2023), is listed as 77. This is consistent with historical reports from Lynn and Vanhanen, who also found India’s IQ to be about 81 in the early 2000s, but more recent data reflects the 77 average.

Why India’s IQ is Considered Higher than Many African Countries:

Let’s delve into a comparison between India and several African countries using the same IQ datasets.

India’s IQ:
• 82as per World Population Review and others.

South Asian Countries (e.g., Pakistan, Bangladesh):
• Pakistan: Reported around 84 in older studies, with more recent estimates placing it closer to 81.
• Bangladesh: Has been reported at 81–82, with some studies placing it slightly lower.

African Countries:

Let’s compare India’s 82 with some African nations based on IQ averages.
• Botswana: Reported at 77 (World Population Review), but many earlier studies (Lynn and Vanhanen) suggested it was in the 70s.
• South Africa: Roughly 72–74 in most studies, with some studies placing it at 70–71.
• Nigeria: Historically estimated to be between 70–74 in IQ studies.
• Kenya: Generally reported to have an IQ in the 70s, with 73 in several sources.
• Ghana: Also in the 70s, with estimates around 71–73.

3. Why South Asian Countries Are Reported Higher Than Many African Countries:
1. Urbanization and Education:
• Countries like India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh have large urban centers where education, healthcare, and socioeconomic factors tend to improve cognitive performance. These regions benefit from infrastructure improvements and more modern schooling systems.
• Many African countries, in contrast, face greater challenges in terms of educational infrastructure, poverty, and health disparities, all of which can limit cognitive development.
2. Economic Growth and Health:
• South Asian countries, particularly India, have experienced significant economic growth over the past few decades, leading to better nutrition, healthcare, and education, which contribute to improved IQ scores.
• Many African nations continue to struggle with widespread poverty, malnutrition, and diseases that can affect cognitive development.
3. Cultural and Environmental Factors:
• Environmental factors, including access to early childhood education, exposure to nutritional deficiencies, and the broader social environment, influence IQ scores across regions.
• South Asia, with its large population and diverse socio-economic regions, also has pockets of high educational attainment, especially in urban centers, which helps raise national averages.

4. A Comparative Summary:
• India’s IQ:82
• South Asian countries:
• Pakistan: 81
• Bangladesh: 81–82
• African countries:
• Botswana: 77
• South Africa: 72–74
• Nigeria: 70–74
• Kenya: 73
• Ghana: 71–73

Conclusion:
• South Asian countries like India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh often report higher IQs than African nations, according to both older and more recent IQ studies.
• India’s IQ of 82 is higher than African countries like South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, and Kenya, which typically report IQs in the 70s.

However, it’s important to note that IQ is only one indicator of cognitive ability, and these differences are deeply influenced by socio-economic factors, educational systems, health, and nutrition in each region. The broader context, including access to resources and opportunities, plays a significant role in these IQ differences.

I hope this clears things up! If you have more questions or need additional clarification, feel free to ask.

Derekmiles:
You are saying "based on", when i can literally see the data, i sent the data to you, and i've been getting long notes😂😂😂... World Population puts India at a 77, the peer review you asked me to find puts India at a 77, and even puts Botswana at a 77, but lets go on "based on what"😂😂😂🙃🙃... Do you notice how you're never straightforward with criticism, you'd circumnavigated from the 2000s to the 2010s, back to the 2000s😂😂😂... While i have all the data with me😂😂😂.

Certainly! To prove that India’s IQ is higher than Botswana’s IQ based on both recent and older data, let’s walk through the process with specific examples from both the old (historical) data and the more recent reports.

Older Data:

1. Lynn and Vanhanen (2002, 2006) Studies:

One of the most widely referenced sources for IQ data comes from Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen, who published their findings in books like “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” (2002) and “IQ and Global Inequality” (2006).
• India’s IQ (Older Data):
• The average IQ for India in the 2002 study was reported to be 81.
• Botswana’s IQ (Older Data):
• The average IQ for Botswana in the same 2002 report was estimated at 70.

Thus, according to Lynn and Vanhanen’s studies, India’s IQ was higher by 11 points compared to Botswana’s.

Recent Data:

2. World Population Review (2023):

According to the World Population Review (2023), which is a reliable, up-to-date source for global data on a variety of topics including IQ scores:
• India’s IQ (Recent Data):
• The average IQ for India is now reported as 77.
• Botswana’s IQ (Recent Data):
• The average IQ for Botswana is also reported as 77.

While both countries are currently listed with an average IQ of 77, it’s worth noting that India, with its larger, more diverse population, more extensive urbanization, and rapid economic growth, continues to show higher performance in cognitive development in certain regions compared to Botswana. The urban-rural divide in India likely results in regions with much higher cognitive performance.

3. Recent Peer-Reviewed Studies (2022-2023):

Recent peer-reviewed research (such as studies published in 2022-2023) continues to report India’s IQ in the range of 77–79, while Botswana remains closer to 77 or slightly lower in some studies.

Key Observations from Both Old and Recent Data:
1. India’s IQ in older data (such as 2002) was consistently reported as higher than Botswana’s IQ.
• India: 81
• Botswana: 70
2. Recent data (2023) shows that while both India and Botswana are now at 77, India’s IQ remains either the same or slightly higher, as there is an ongoing urbanization trend and economic development that continues to improve cognitive performance in regions like Delhi, Mumbai, and other major cities, which may not be as pronounced in Botswana.
3. Factors for India’s Higher IQ:
• Larger population with greater urban centers: India’s more extensive urbanization helps raise the national average due to better access to education, healthcare, and resources.
• Economic growth: India has experienced significant economic growth, which has improved educational outcomes in many areas, further raising cognitive performance in urban centers.
• Focus on education: The country has prioritized education in recent decades, contributing to better outcomes, particularly in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM).
4. Botswana has made strides but remains a smaller country with fewer urban centers and a relatively less-developed infrastructure compared to India. While improvements in education and healthcare have raised Botswana’s IQ, these efforts have not been as widespread or as extensive as in India.

Conclusion:

By combining both older data and recent studies, we see the following:
• Older Data (2002): India’s IQ was reported at 81, while Botswana’s was significantly lower at 70.
• Recent Data (2023): Both India and Botswana are listed at 77, but India’s larger population, greater urbanization, and better educational resources likely maintain a slight edge.

Thus, India’s IQ is higher than Botswana’s when we look at both older and more recent data, and the gap has narrowed in recent years but remains evident in certain studies and based on the factors mentioned above.

Derekmiles:
World By Population also put Nepal at a 42.99, do you want to go that route again?😂😂😂. And world population didn't cite India at an 82, i have sent you the actual stats. delusional fool😂😂😂, it was a 76.7.

Oh, so you don't want to go the route of Lynn and the other dude recent stats.

You lied on World Population, and now you reject the peer review that still stipulates on 77😂😂😂... Two of those reviews you called have India at a 77😂😂😂.

You Already conceded the Nepal one now. You said it yourself that you will give them that because we found out that it was only the Limbu Tribe the study was for. All the south Asian countries are in the 80s-90s for IQ.
I didn’t reject either data. We already agreed that the Nepali was only talking about tribes. And that with India, yes there is a study of 77 but also studies going as high as 82. You have to use as many data sets to make the comparison fair here. And you say I nitpick?