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Derekmiles:
I have seen this exact same rhetoric from Americans, Italians, Portuguese, Portuguese was even recently, British, Germans... Dude brought out standard complains people give about their countries as a standard for success; do you think i don't watch the news or what?😂😂😂. Dude actually brought standard complains as a standard for success, your criterias are actually beyond wack😂😂😂.

You know what most of those countries citizens don't do en masse, including even "Crap" Botswana, illegally flock out😂😂😂.

Europeans don’t complain about their country in the same way Botswana does😂

A hopeless, impoverished country where the people senselessly kill themselves is not a success

And I’ll do what you do, people from China flock out of it. I guess it’s a shithole now too. Get that tether mentality out of your ahead.

Derekmiles:
What an excuse, long dead?, so the older Europeans were inherently more violent, not the younger ones😂😂😂... Your delulu is getting much more impressive, read an actual book for once😂😂😂, i shouldn't be the one telling an analyst master of the several stuffs that occured in the 1900s

You really do hate criticisms. Rather than just stating that blacks are more violent. You bring up something completely irrelevant.

And you say i deflect? You’re bringing up 20th century European history to prove your point. Those Europeans that did all those things are dead for the most part. Modern Europeans aren’t responsible for that but modern day blacks are responsible for their violent tendencies.

Is it really that painful for you to accept that Botswana and other black societies are inherently more violent?😂 stop using something that happened a century ago

Derekmiles:
So you've seen Botswana people say their country is mot successful, or you've see Botswana people complain about issues like every other country does liar?😂😂😂.

‘The place just feels hopeless. More so there is so much going for it that the powers that be could tap into but they choose mediocrity each time’

‘As a young motswana i can actually say the current government is depressing in terms of taking the nation forward, MPs are constantly seen being ridicule in parliament. Yes the government provides opportunities for the youth but the government has the mandate to move the nation forward but they are doing the opposite. There's too much corruption but no one is ever made to account. In a nutshell its depressing and frustrating. There's no happiness in that’

A successful coutnry is not meant to feel hopeless.

Derekmiles:
Inherently😂😂😂... Europe in the 1900s will disagree with you😂😂😂.

Your speaking as if most of the europeans that commited those things aren’t long dead
They definitely are, black societies are inherently mroe violent. It’s why I said you glorify criminal behaviour 😂

Modern Europeans don’t commit as much violence as Africans. Much of the crime in Europe is to do with Africans and carribeans 😂😂 black parts of the world are inherently more violent.

Derekmiles:
Dude deflects again... Dude deflects again, it's now "Comparable", and not worse of😂😂😂, are you not tired of deflecting, 10.5 and 22 is comparable😂😂😂.

Because you didn’t allow me to use WPR😂 and now that I’ve looked at macrotrends. That 10.6 figure is from 2021😂. It’s 3 years out of date. The WPR is at 2024.

Derekmiles:
You didn't catch anything, you're lying again😂😂..
Macrotrends doesn't use ranges you idiot, even when i sent the link to this idiot, he still wants to lie... WPR being the exception must hurt me, let me even go and check WPR to see if he's not lying... Several reviews put it at 10.5, and dude wants to now go for the only source, macrotrends is literally 2024😂😂😂.

The macrotrends data is from 2021

But go ahead In glorifying a criminal country😂😂
WPR has data for up to 2024.

And bri said general consensus that’s 3 years out of date 😂

Derekmiles:
Let them not Uncle Tom, we accept it😂😂😂; it doesn't change it being better.

Yeah we all know blacks are inherently more violent. Thanks for being it to me. Botswana crime is comparable to Nigeria and is 5x greater than India. There is nothing great about a violent country. This is why blacks will never succeed. Imagine glorifying violence?

Botswana kills themselves and eachother at a ridiculously higher rate than India and they are somehow in a better environment?🤣🤣

Derekmiles:
But yet, it is deemed, so whose criteria should i believe, your emotional terminology, or the words of Analysts😂😂😂... Are you an analyst Sladem?, because for someone saying that analysts are wrong, you seemed to follow the words of analysts on Indians Projections as Canon, undermineing serious factors like Corruption that can very much impede it. So if you blindly follow analysts, why all the sudden change😂😂😂.

Deemed by a couple of analysts. I can post this thread that undeems that. You keep on losing. Botswana people themselves don’t agree 😂😂

Derekmiles:
Every other review puts it at 10.5, who's biased now Uncle Tom?, i thought you needed multiple sources... So should i believe the exception or the consensus😂😂😂; well, i know you are delusionally always for the exception, but i as a sane individual will go for the consensus😂😂😂.

Macrotrends put it’s at 10-15. I’ve caught you in your lies 😂😂 world population review is the most up to date. That 10.5 data for Botswana is 2021😂😂🤣🤣

Derekmiles:
You never debunked the Defecation Issue, or all the countless "primitive" issues you spilled at the beginning when most was found to be in India, some widespread😂😂😂, all you did was deflect😂😂😂... You talking about debunk, i just used multiple sources to debunk another delusion again, how much more do you want; from Passports (I remember how he undermined that when he saw he'd lost), to this to several others😂😂😂.

No because India is safer despite having a worse defacation issue. I think violent crime is more important than defacation

I told you comapring the passport power of India to botswanna is irrelevant. Indians succeed abroad much more than Botswana in spite of the power differences. Botswana like the rest of Africans don’t have a brain to use that passport 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Derekmiles:
Then the biggest EMOTIONAL BS of all was "The analysts are wrong", i actually pitied you when you said that😂😂😂... It must be hard blatantly showing extreme delusion😂😂😂.

I said they are wrong because I don’t agree with their opening. Disagreeing is not emotional 😂😂

Derekmiles:
How can you use Macrotrends and say that😂😂😂. Macrotrends literally put them at 10.5.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Botswana/homicide_rate/

This was 2010, compare it with Macrotrends 2010 rates, you are so done😂😂😂

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/botswana/social-health-statistics/bw-intentional-homicides-per-100000-people

Compare😂😂😂😂. I could go on and on

The bias idiot thinking its just one source😂😂😂. Exception as always😂😂😂.

World population review puts it at 25 per 100k

Based on all data sets, botswna crime is either almost equal to or more than Nigeria

Homicide Rate (Violent Crime)
• Botswana:
• World Population Review: Homicide rate of 25 per 100,000.
• UNODC: Homicide rate reported as 10 per 100,000 in some sources.
• Macrotrends: Homicide rate fluctuates but closer to 10-15 per 100,000.
• Nigeria:
• World Population Review: Homicide rate of 16 per 100,000.
• UNODC: Similar to World Population Review, with a rate closer to 16 per 100,000.
• Macrotrends: Similar trends with a rate around 15-16 per 100,000

I used multiple sources

Derekmiles:
You've hit me with facts, but yet you just lied about a stat. again; and just spilled emotional BS... How can someone be "hitting" with facts when those facts have largely been debunked not to be true😂😂😂.

No you haven’t debunked stats but found a way to undermine them. You never debunked the violent crime stat. All you said was that based on macrotrends Nigeria is more when world population review has the more accurate and reliable data. You can’t just use 1 data set. Are you going to tell me that world population review is lying now about Botswana?

And the same thing with traffic fatality rate, you couldn’t find a way to undermine that stat but instead you said oh Saudi Arabian roads are more dangerous than India or Malaysia. Is it a shithole now? All you do is create strawman arguments and downplay the empirical information presented.

I’m interested to see as to what you will say about the world population review. Are they liars?😂

Derekmiles:
But yet, it is deemed, so whose criteria should i believe, your emotional terminology, or the words of Analysts😂😂😂.

That is not emotional Terminology or analysts 😂😂 stop undermining statistics.

World Population Review is a better source. And Nigeria is safer than Botswana 😂

Accept it

Derekmiles:
Let me give you the actual data; you lie so much, and when you're caught in the lie, you then go "That's the best data i could find", well do better.

Botswana:
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/BWA/botswana/murder-homicide-rate

Nigeria:
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/nga/nigeria/murder-homicide-rate

Botswana is nowhere close to as being as dangerous as Nigeria, as much as it pains me to say that... Is Murder rate an Issue in Botswana, at 10, of course yes, but it's not even close to how you've overblown it, even comparing it to Nigeria. Botswana has never had a murder rate in the 20s throughout the 2000s.

You’re so bias, why are you only using 1 data source? World population review put its at 23 for Botswana. Ive never met someone this bias you before. You try to undermine every stat.

World Population Review is generally more accurate for real-time, current data.

Botswana was 23.6

1. Botswana:
• Homicide rate: According to the most recent data (2022), Botswana’s homicide rate stands at approximately 25.3 per 100,000 people.
• Violent Crime: The country has reported challenges with various violent crimes, such as assault and robbery. However, the specific violent crime rate for the general population isn’t widely available but can be inferred from regional crime reports and homicide data.
2. Nigeria:
• Homicide rate: Nigeria has a reported homicide rate of around 20 per 100,000 people as of the latest estimates.
• Violent Crime: Nigeria, particularly in certain regions, faces high levels of violent crime, including armed robbery, kidnapping, and terrorism. However, this type of violence is often region-specific.

Comparison:
• Homicide: Botswana has a higher homicide rate than Nigeria, with 25.3 vs. 20 per 100,000 people.
• Violent crime: Both countries have challenges with violent crime, but Nigeria’s regional violence (e.g., in the northeast) contributes to higher overall crime rates

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country/botswana-crime

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country/nigeria-crime

And I used both macrotrends and world population review. Nigeria is safer than Botswana 😂

Derekmiles:
Facts: Botswana QOC puts it as having a relatively high standard of living on average, India does not.

Facts: Botswana is considered an Upper Middle Income Country, India is considered a Lower Middle Income Country.

Facts: All the original systemic issues you deemed as Primitive majorly occurs in India, not in Botswana.

Facts: India is more corrupt, something that has an actual effect in government and running of a country.

Facts: Botswana has a higher wage structure in most occupations than India. I could go on and on.

Your biggest fact is 28% Electricity, and later twisting to Crime😂😂😂.

Fact: Botswana still runs on 3G


Fact: Botswana is a lazy, resource based economy that produces nothing of value

Fact: Botswana Roads are more dangerous than Nigeria or India

Fact: Botswanna has mroe violent crime than Nigeria or India

Fact: Botswanna life expectancy is lower than India.

Fact: botswanna is not industrialised as opposed to India that’s an NIC (Newly industrialised country)

Fact: Botswana suicide rate is also higher than Nigeria or India
Fact: Botswana has a low quality of life.

Facts: high crime, high unemployment, dangerous roads, terrible infrastructure etc all exist in Botswana but not in Nigeria.

No country that is not safe for its citizens to live in can be deemed as having a higher QOL.

Derekmiles:
Nigeria is literally not safer, Nigeria's murder rate is 22, Botswana's is around 11... Where in the world is that more dangerous, i have told you this countless times before, don't you have eyes or what?.

But it literally is, the homicide rate is actually 21 but Botswana is 23.6

• Murder rate: According to the World Population Review, Botswana has a homicide rate of 23.6 per 100,000 people as of the latest available data from 2021. This is relatively high compared to global averages.

Nigeria:
• Murder rate: As of the latest data available from Macrotrends for 2019, Nigeria’s murder rate is 21.74 per 100,000 people, showing a decrease from previous years.

Comparison:
• Botswana’s homicide rate (23.6 per 100,000) is higher than Nigeria’s (21.74 per 100,000) according to the most recent available statistics.
• Both countries have experienced fluctuations in violent crime rates over the years, with Nigeria’s homicide rate decreasing since 2016, while Botswana’s rate has remained relatively stable at higher levels

Nigeria is safer😂 even Nigerian roads are safer than Botswana. Can you imagine that Zoogeria has safer roads?

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, Nigeria's murder rate has not been 9 since like 2015, were do you even get this stats. from😂😂.

Is it that you can’t read? It literally says it right there from UNODC. But you’re right, it is higher but still lower than Botswana.
Botswana:
• Murder rate: According to the World Population Review, Botswana has a homicide rate of 23.6 per 100,000 people as of the latest available data from 2021. This is relatively high compared to global averages.

Nigeria:
• Murder rate: As of the latest data available from Macrotrends for 2019, Nigeria’s murder rate is 21.74 per 100,000 people, showing a decrease from previous years.

Comparison:
• Botswana’s homicide rate (23.6 per 100,000) is higher than Nigeria’s (21.74 per 100,000) according to the most recent available statistics.
• Both countries have experienced fluctuations in violent crime rates over the years, with Nigeria’s homicide rate decreasing since 2016, while Botswana’s rate has remained relatively stable at higher levels.

Thus, based on the most up-to-date data, Botswana has a higher homicide rate compared to Nigeria, indicating more violent crime in terms of murder per capita in Botswana at the moment.

That’s honestly the latest data I can find.

Derekmiles:
Nigeria is literally not safer, Nigeria's murder rate is 22, Botswana's is around 11... Where in the world is that more dangerous, i have told you this countless times before, don't you have eyes or what?.

Violent Crime Rates (per 100,000 people)

Botswana:
• Murder rate: 20.4 (2019) – Higher than Nigeria.
• Robbery: Robbery and violent theft are significant issues, but specific data is limited.

Nigeria:
• Murder rate: 9.3 (2021) – Lower than Botswana.
• Robbery: Violent crime like armed robbery and assault is common in urban areas.
• Boko Haram and Kidnappings: Especially in the northern and eastern regions, violence related to insurgent groups is a significant concern, adding to overall violent crime statistics.

Key Points:
• Botswana has a higher murder rate than Nigeria, which reflects a higher level of violent crime per capita.
• Nigeria, while it has a lower overall murder rate, faces more frequent instances of insurgent violence (e.g., Boko Haram) and organized crime like kidnappings, which contribute to violent crime in certain regions.

Conclusion:
• Botswana has a higher homicide rate and generally more personal violent crime per capita, while Nigeria struggles with organized violence, insurgent activity, and other forms of large-scale unrest, making both countries face unique types of violent crime.

Again lies, Nigeria only has more insurgent violence. The homicide rate for Botswana is 20.

And when did I ever say that Saudi Arabia is worse than India or Nepal simply because of poor road safety? I just said that road safety and safety in general is definitely a factor in determining QOL. Nobody wants to live in an unsafe environment

Cousin9999:
I'm waiting to see how long this dude will keep going. Like, wtf. This is why nonblacks are lame af. They're constantly trying to convince themselves of all kinds of lies. And when the facts smack them, they just spam denial. This is what happens when someone's entire identity is based on bullshit. This is also why they'll burn everything down to protect racism. They have and are nothing else.

Yeah all black societies are failures, blacks are inherently more violent and dumber than the rest. It’s a failed race. You say I’m spamming denial when I’ve hit this dude with so many facts that he tries and fails to undermine. Afrocentrism is not reality. Blacks is just poverty and violence everywhere. The world 🌎 is controlled and ruled by Europeans and Asians.

Derekmiles:
I still don't get were you get this more dangerous than Nigeria, Botswana Murder rate is at 11, Nigeria is at 22 or so.

So i guess Saudi Arabia is not developed with a traffic fatality rate of about 22... I guess India is more developed than Malaysia😂😂😂, there are so many more😂😂😂.

BS it’s 2x higher than Nigeria

Based on the most recent data available, here’s a comparison of violent crime statistics between Botswana and Nigeria:

Murder Rate:
• Botswana: The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) reported a homicide rate of 20.4 per 100,000 people in 2019. 
• Nigeria: According to the UNODC, Nigeria had a homicide rate of 9.3 per 100,000 people in 2021. 

Organized Crime Index:
• Botswana: Botswana has a relatively low organized crime index compared to many African countries. The ENACT Organised Crime Index, which measures the level of countries’ criminality and their resilience to organized crime, places Botswana in a lower category, indicating less prevalence of organized crime. 
• Nigeria: Nigeria has a higher organized crime index, reflecting more significant challenges with organized criminal activities. The ENACT Organised Crime Index places Nigeria in a higher category, indicating a greater prevalence of organized crime. 

Other Violent Crimes:
• Botswana: While specific statistics on other violent crimes like armed robbery and assault are limited, Botswana has been identified as a transit and destination country for human trafficking, with vulnerable groups such as the San community being particularly at risk. 
• Nigeria: Nigeria faces significant challenges with various forms of violent crime, including insurgent violence, kidnappings, and armed robberies. The U.S. Department of State’s 2023 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Nigeria notes credible reports of arbitrary and unlawful killings, including extrajudicial killings, and torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment. 

Conclusion:

While Botswana has a higher murder rate per capita compared to Nigeria, Nigeria faces a broader range of violent crimes, including insurgent violence and organized crime. Both countries have unique challenges related to violent crime, with Botswana’s issues being more concentrated in specific areas and Nigeria’s being more widespread.

Here’s the most up-to-date comparison of the murder rates between Botswana and Nigeria:

Murder Rate (per 100,000 people):
• Botswana:
• Murder rate: 20.4 per 100,000 people (2019) (UNODC).
• Nigeria:
• Murder rate: 9.3 per 100,000 people (2021) (UNODC).

Conclusion:
• Botswana has a significantly higher murder rate compared to Nigeria. The murder rate in Botswana is more than twice as high as in Nigeria, indicating a higher level of homicide-related violence per capita in Botswana.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂... Nairaland user Sladem, the greatest analysts of them all😂😂😂, better than every other single analysts out there😂😂😂... When projections like Open defacation doesn't go his way, just deflect and find more nitpicking excuses😂😂.

I never said I’m the better analyst. I don’t just read what someone says and mindlessly believe it like you do. And why is that you’re still quiet on the Botswana vs Nigeria issue? You called Nigeria a shithole but at the same time Nigeria is also quite a bit safer than the country you call ‘successful’ 🤣🤣🤣

Derekmiles:
Dangerous roads which is even traffic related deaths is a sign of primitiveness?, yea, there are so many developed countries that proves that wrong... It is definitely an issue, but saying primitiveness is laughable.

A rural issue😂😂😂. The 28% of Botswanans without Electricity access are in rural areas like the San people who preferably live nomad. But i guess that will be twisted... India has constant power cuts in major Cities.

Open defecation is an issue, don't twist, i didn't twist the 28% ever since, don't twist narratives... Almost all your main points that you originally used as a sign of primitiveness almost doesn't happen in Botswana, bar the Electricity 28%; almost all your main points you used as a sign of Primitiveness largely occurs in India. I remember actually specificying all the things you used to deem "primitiveness" at the beginning, and showed how India had almost all of them, and Botswana had almost none.

We've not even started talking about the Dalit issues, and so many others, but i will just let those be because i'm actually tired of texting.

Rural areas of India are electrified even of lesser developed countries than India. I already told you that Africa is rural India 😂😂
Not having constant power in 2024 is crazy 😂

So lack of safety is not primitive?

The US is the only ‘developed’ country with a traffic fatality rate that is high. And it’s still like half of botswna. African countries have the most dangerous roads because they are the most primitive.

Again just ingorw that Nigeria has safer streets and less crime than Botswana 😂

‘Open defecation is an issue, don't twist, i didn't twist the 28% ever since, don't twist narratives... Almost all your main points that you originally used as a sign of primitiveness almost doesn't happen in Botswana, bar the Electricity 28%; almost all your main points you used as a sign of Primitiveness largely occurs in India. I remember actually specificying all the things you used to deem "primitiveness" at the beginning, and showed how India had almost all of them, and Botswana had almost none’

You’re the one that twists the narratives and looks for ways to undermine stats. It’s not just that almost a third of the population has no electricity but high crime and dangerous roads. Botswana is more dangerous than Nigeria. People call Nigeria primitive because of how violent it is in large part. The mroe ciolent a country is, the more primitive it is. Extremely High crime and dangerous roads is something found in Botswana but not India. Swallow that pill. The people your shilling yourselves for are more violent than Nigerians which is crazy 😂😂

Derekmiles:
Hmm, it's actually not more dangerous than Nigeria;

"India has lifted more people out of poverty than Botswana or any African nation can imagine. I said this once and I won’t stop saying it".

India also has more 7× more people than the closest most populated African country... Why wouldn't they have more people lifted out of poverty.

"Everything else about the country is just as bad as any other African country whether that’s the infrastructure, crime, healthcare, quality etc. it’s just as much as primitive, wasteland as any other African country"

Most of what you've used to describe primitiveness since, India has in abundance... Botswana barely has any... So this your primitive rhetoric makes me laugh. Botswana Infrastructure is very adequate for its population.

"You only focused on the power of the US not the QOL it received. You’d be absolutely nuts to think the US has higher quality of life than other developed countries simply because its citizens are richer"

Nobody thinks that, and since QOL is barely ranked, and even when ranked, it has relatively few countries. You can go and read about India's QOL.

"And it’s why I keep on telling that how you measure success depends on perspective, and why is that when talking about the success of the US. You only focused on the power of the US not the QOL it received".

That wasn't a measurement of success, i was stating your claim of Success being subjective... That wasn't even close to a measurement of success😂😂😂.

😂😂😂, never even compared Sub-Saharan african power supply... You are the one that tried to compare the power issues faced by India to the West; India faces everyday power issues in a lot of Cities bro.

😂😂😂, Anytime the dude stats. something that is India has relatively higher, he makes it sound massive... But state the HDI, oh, it becomes Marginal. the economic growth % though? massive😂😂😂.

Do you know were i knew you were deluded, when you said the countless analysts were lying... I was like, yea, i gave up at that point. Botswana QOL stipulates the country as having a relatively high standard of living on average; India is not even there... You talk about Gini, Nigeria has a lower Gini than the U.S, i laughed at that wack criteria a long time ago.

If you are the exception in a consensus, trying to force a narrative is then seen as delusional... You saying several things from today to tomorrow isn't going to change the narrative of how Botswana is viewed by Analyst, and it's definitely not going to change my Narrative, because i will take the words of the analysts over yours anyday.

‘India also has more 7× more people than the closest most populated African country... Why wouldn't they have more people lifted out of poverty’

They’ve lifted mroe people out of poverty than Africa convinced😂 and they have a smaller population.

‘Most of what you've used to describe primitiveness since, India has in abundance... Botswana barely has any... So this your primitive rhetoric makes me laugh. Botswana Infrastructure is very adequate for its population’

Adequate infrastructure yet its roads are more dangerous than Nigeria? I don’t understand why you keep on ignoring that. Even Nigeria in many ways has better infrastructure than Botswana.

3G when the world is using 5G is not adequate

Not having constant electricity in the era of things like AI, Quantum computing etc

Their infrastructure is a joke

Rural Roads: Poorly developed roads outside of cities, making travel difficult, especially during rainy seasons.
• Electricity Issues: Frequent power shortages and reliance on imports cause occasional load shedding. It still doesn’t have consistent power supply.
• Water Shortages: Limited water resources, and rural areas suffer from unreliable water supply.
• Lack of Public Transport: Limited options for public transportation, especially in rural regions.
• Slow Internet: Internet speeds are slow and data costs are high, particularly in rural areas.
• Healthcare Access: While urban areas have good healthcare, rural regions are underserved with limited access to specialized care.
• Overburdened Urban Areas: Rapid urbanization is straining housing, sanitation, and waste management systems.
• Trade Dependency: Heavy reliance on neighboring countries for trade logistics, which can be disrupted
3G, terrible roads and infrastructure etc is not adequate

How much more primitive do you want? And the fact that Botswana crime is higher and the country is more dangerous speaks volumes. Civilised people don’t senselessly kill themslevws and other people. I love you continue to ignore that even zooegria is more civilised than Botswana with lower crime and safer streets 😂 violence is primitive.

‘Nobody thinks that, and since QOL is barely ranked, and even when ranked, it has relatively few countries. You can go and read about India's QOL’
The US is a third world country wearing Prada but I never said India QOL is admirable but far better than botswana.

‘That wasn't a measurement of success, i was stating your claim of Success being subjective... That wasn't even close to a measurement of success😂😂😂’

Because there are multiple ways of measuring success. Success can also be subjective. Safety isn’t a measurement of success? You think extremely violent countries are successful?😂😂

‘😂😂😂, never even compared Sub-Saharan african power supply... You are the one that tried to compare the power issues faced by India to the West; India faces everyday power issues in a lot of Cities bro’

India’s electricity access rate is still 100% no sub sharan African country is that high. It’s actually pathetic that you laugh at India’s power grid but yet Botswana still doesn’t have constant power. 30% of the population doesn’t have any electricity to speak of. And India is able to generally provide power constant power to its citizen like every non sub Saharan African country. You omitted the fact that the rest of the world has constant electricity but sub saharan Africa. Every country has power issues Daily but some more so than others. But I told you before not having constant electricity is EXCLUSIVELY AN AFRICAN PROBLEM. The rest of the world has constant power. Africa is the ONLY ONE NOT TO. The rest of the world electrified decades ago, India’s electricity situation is just like any other Asian or Latin country.
Africa is a dark continent. That map I posted proves it. 98% of it was pitch black😂

Successful nation and you can’t even provide constant power or safety for your citizens?😂 your a fool.

‘Anytime the dude stats. something that is India has relatively higher, he makes it sound massive... But state the HDI, oh, it becomes Marginal. the economic growth % though? massive’

A difference of 30% in electricity access rate is not marginal.

Every non sub Saharan African country on earth has constant power. I’ve linked this to you so many times

‘Do you know were i knew you were deluded, when you said the countless analysts were lying... I was like, yea, i gave up at that point. Botswana QOL stipulates the country as having a relatively high standard of living on average; India is not even there... You talk about Gini, Nigeria has a lower Gini than the U.S, i laughed at that wack criteria a long time ago.

If you are the exception in a consensus, trying to force a narrative is then seen as delusional... You saying several things from today to tomorrow isn't going to change the narrative of how Botswana is viewed by Analyst, and it's definitely not going to change my Narrative, because i will take the words of the analysts over yours anyday’

And you’ve now gone back to using analysts? I told you that the US is a third world country wearing Prada. The fact that America is mroe unequal is an embarrassment to America😂

When I knew you were deluded was comparing black potential to others 😂

You can’t have high standard of living if your country is extremely violent, unsafe, dirty and undeveloped 😂. Living in Botswana in many ways would be a downgrade to even Nigeria. Is it that you like violent societies or what?😂😂

How an analyst views botswanna is irrelevant. I linked a thread to you about people complaining about botswan and they were from the country. What they say has far more credence than some analyst. You keep acting like what the analyst says is golden. It’s not.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, Crime scene... This dude always forgets that he's talking about India. What really sweet me the most is when you started talking about Primitiveness and using certain systemic issues like Open defecation, Genital Mutilation. India had every single one, open defecation was even worse off, nearly half the population. Botswana had almost none... So if you're saying Botswana is primitive due to this issues, which there are almost none in comparison, what is India then please?.

High violent crime
Dangerous roads
No constant electricity
Is a sign of primitiveness and Botswana has all 3.
Open defacation is a rural issue in India, albino killings is worse in Botswana.

Derekmiles:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDZarFsTgoN/?igsh=MWRiamJmZGU2Mnl3dA==

Just tired of texting... 66% is crazy, i mean Nigeria should definitely be higher, we are beyond corrupt; but 66% is crazy.

I’m also getting tired of texting but what’s 66%?

Derekmiles:
"When most of the analytical consensus leans this way, then yes it is most... Trying to find an article that actually says Botswana isn't successful is like finding 2 needles in a haystack, this is a research i've actually done a while ago due to their 1st President; and most even won't say they ain't successful, they will just bring out their issues".

I literally had to copy and paste my comment again, because the image stuff ain't working... Read that comment again, and read your reason for saying i contradicted myself; the article never deemed it as Unsuccessful either, which is what never happens, they just bring out the issues like you'd see with almost any other country... "And most even won't say they ain't successful, they will just bring out their issues"

Looking at those satellite images of the world, I just realise as to how crazy you are.

South America:
• Population: Approximately 434 million people

Africa:
• Population: Approximately 1.55 billion people

Population Gap:
• Africa’s population is about 1.12 billion larger than South America’s

Yet South America is actually more lit up on satellite images than Africa is in spite of its small population. There is almost nothing in Nigeria or west Africa or Southern Africa (which Includes your precious Botswana)

Approximately 80% of South America’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast. This includes major urban centers like São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Lima, Caracas, and Bogotá (even though Bogotá is inland, its economic ties are strongly with the coast) And the vast majority of the coast which is where the citizens reside was lit up.

With Africa (and a specific emphasis Botswana) the complete opposite is true, only 40-50% of Africa’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast.The remaining population of Africa, which is around 50-60% of the total, lives in the inland areas of the continent. Thus, most of Africa should be lit up. But even in the population centres, there is almost no light. Northern Nigeria where most of the Nigerian population resides is pitch , Southern Africa which includes Botswana is also pitch black. All satellite images show all of afriva to be literally the dark continent and most of the population lives inland. 98%+ of Africa is black and that image is from NASA Observatory. Most of South American population is costal. Most of Africa is inland. You wouldn’t think that by looking at Africa at night. It’s literally the dark continent.

It was already concluded on another nairaland thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2668093/photo-africa-europe-night-space

The backwardness of that continent is actually crazy. Africa is a crime scene.

TonySpike:
Apart from big cities in South Africa namely Johannesburg, Pretoria, Capetown, Durban and maybe Port Elizabeth, the rest of South Africa is sparsely populated as someone once mentioned. Infact, a large part of South Africa in the West bordering Namibia and Botswana is geographical unlivable because of the Karoo and Kahalari deserts. If you have travelled across South Africa by road, you will see that these satellite images are justified as many areas of the countryside are farmlands.

98%+ of the continent is pitch black and most Africans are in inland

rawpadgin:
this is nonsense

those guys love painting africa black
they made us to believe that devil is a black man

Those are satellite images and like 98% of the continent is pitch black here.

Derekmiles:
Botswana's HDI is actually better than India's.

The economic growth are all up and have been for a very long time, when they start depreciating, let me know.

Crime: yes, i do agree with you on that... Average better living standards though for the average citizen, better wage structure on a lot of occupations.

I've always accepted the geopolitical sense😂😂😂... India is geopolitically stronger than many Nations that are economically better per capita on average, example, Estonia... 1.4 Billion people, it is great for them, but it's not really spectacular; but everybody knows about India's great geopolitical stance especially in the Central Asia/Asean Region.

It’s marginally higher than India in HDI. But there is a lot more to QOL than HDI.

Again comparing a diamond extracting economy to an economy that produces finished goods is the dumbest comparison I’ve ever seen. The Botswana economy is an absolute joke. It’s growing only because of Diamond sales. It has a very high unemployment, some of the highest income inequality, inconsistent power supply (it’s crazy that you tried to compare the power situation of sub Saharan Africa to the rest of the world when sub Saharan Africa is distinct In not having access to constant electricity as the rest of the world does, Sub Saharan Africa was the only region to be almost entirely black) you now tried to compare it to a region with 3 times less the population which. I’ve never seen so much Afrocentric cope in my life 🤣🤣. Africa is clearly distinct in that regard with its population centres having little to no electricity. Botswana economy is nothing compared to India. India’s economy has been growing at an average rate of 6-7% annually, making it one of the fastest-growing major economies. This growth is fueled by its young population, technological advancements, and industrial reforms.
• Botswana: Botswana’s growth rate has slowed to around 4-5% annually, with challenges in diversifying its economy and overreliance on diamonds. Thus botswna doesn’t usually outgrow India and how it’s growing its economy is not impressive. An economy that’s just solely based on raw material extraction is ass.

Economic Diversification
• India: India has a highly diversified economy, including manufacturing, technology, pharmaceuticals, agriculture, and services. This diversification provides stability against economic shocks.
• Botswana: Botswana’s economy is dominated by diamonds (roughly 70% of export revenue), making it vulnerable to fluctuations in commodity prices. Efforts to diversify into tourism and financial services are ongoing but slow.

5. Population and Workforce
• India: With over 1.4 billion people, India has a massive workforce that contributes to its economic dynamism. However, unemployment and underemployment remain challenges.
• Botswana: Botswana has a population of just 2.6 million, limiting its labor market and domestic consumption, which impacts economic growth potential.

6. Infrastructure and Development
• India: India’s infrastructure is improving rapidly with investments in roads, railways, and digital connectivity. However, urban-rural disparities persist.
• Botswana: Botswana has better infrastructure relative to many African nations but still light years behind India in terms of scale, sophistication, and connectivity.

7. Foreign Investment
• India: A top destination for foreign direct investment (FDI), especially in tech, manufacturing, and renewable energy sectors.
• Botswana: Attracts some FDI in mining and tourism but struggles to compete with larger, more diversified economies

India receives $70 billion a year in FDI compared to punywana at $360 million 🤣🤣🤣🤣


India: Far stronger in terms of overall economic strength, growth potential, and global influence.
• Botswana: Performs better in GDP per capita and stability but is far more limited in growth potential and economic diversification compared to India.

And now we move onto crime and safety, most Nigerians or at least any decent person would view you as a fool for comparing a country that is more dangerous than Nigeria. People are scared of Nigeria as it is yet it’s not as dangerous as Botswana. Even Nigerian roads that people make fun of are still safer than Botswana. And you have overlooked this. Looking at the data, Things like armed robbery, homicides etc is the order of the day in Botswana as is car accidents. But it’s fine I know that Africans/blacks are known for encouraging and glorifying criminal behaviour. People complain all the time about Nigeria’s insecurity issue yet they are countries more insecure than it in Africa like Botswana. But insecurity is a sign of poor quality of life. If the government can’t provide security for its citizens, how is that a good place to live? You need a safe environment for prosperity and Botswana is not safe, higher homicide and traffic fatality rates than Nigeria is crazy. GDP per capita aside,safety is a crucial factor in determining the quality of life in a country. A safe environment allows people to live without constant fear of crime, violence, or instability.When assessing quality of life, safety often works alongside other factors like healthcare, education, and infrastructure, but it’s undeniably one of the most fundamental.

And it’s why I keep on telling that how you measure success depends on perspective, and why is that when talking about the success of the US. You only focused on the power of the US not the QOL it received. You’d be absolutely nuts to think the US has higher quality of life than other developed countries simply because its citizens are richer. The US fails woefully in all other categories against other wealthy countries whether that’s education, health, crime etc. it’s the least developed, developed country on earth. The US is a third world country wearing PRADA.your entire argument of Botswana being better is just centred on them having a higher per capita. Everything else about the country is just as bad as any other African country whether that’s the infrastructure, crime, healthcare, quality etc. it’s just as much as primitive, wasteland as any other African country. Nigeria is even better in many aspects than Botswana. That’s something you constantly overlook. Botswana is one of the most unequal countries on earth. Your actually safer in Nigeria than Botswana.

India has lifted more people out of poverty than Botswana or any African nation can imagine. I said this once and I won’t stop saying it. But Africa will never meaningfully industrialise. That includes all of sub Saharan Africa. Geopolitical pundits like Peter Zeihan have said things like this. It’s never going to do a China. The factors that allowed China and to a lesser extent India to become what they are today doesn’t exist in Africa and never will. I already told you that Africa is so irrelevant that if Sub Saharan Africa literally disappeared, it won’t shake the world. The continents GDP is like $3.4 trillion which is still lower than India which has like 30 million. The differences between all of Africa and India is crazy.

India: India’s GDP is around $3.7 trillion (nominal).
• Africa: The entire continent of Africa has a combined GDP of about $3.4 trillion (nominal)

India has 30 million less people.As of 2024:
• India: 1.46 billion people
• Africa: 1.49 billion people

So, Africa’s population is approximately 30 million higher than India’s.

But yet the GDP Gap is $300 billion? 30 million less people but then $300 billion additional economic activity 😂. Gap between Sub Saharan Africa and India is even greater. How can one country out muscle an entire continent? 😂

Derekmiles:
Wait, have we been texting since 2AM?, this is 12PM, not slept because of an argument😂😂😂... Thank goodness this is the festive period.

I don’t know about but I definitely slept 😂

Derekmiles:
So like i said, issues, no even called it a developing world, they just point out issues, mainly Diamond reliance, literally how i described; non said about the country having not attained success... Like i told you, i've never come across an article that doesn't deem the Nation as successful.

The article never deemed it as successful so you’ve just contradicted your point that you’ve never come across an article that doesn’t deem the nation as successful. I couldn’t care less about some analysts opinion. You can’t formulate an argument of your own