₦airaland Forum

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, so which means there is a generized criteria and a country doesn't need to meet all of them... The fact that Botswana is considered such means they meet the standard... Dude, going against analysts is literally funny.

You’re right—just because an analyst calls Botswana “successful” doesn’t necessarily make it true. Their view could be influenced by what they value most, like economic growth or political stability. Success really depends on how you define it. Some people might look at things like wealth and growth, while others care more about things like equality, social progress, or the environment. So, while Botswana has strengths, there are definitely areas where it still has a lot of work to do.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, so which means there is a generized criteria and a country doesn't need to meet all of them... The fact that Botswana is considered such means they meet the standard... Dude, going against analysts is literally funny.

But there is no generalised criteria. Botswana fails in all those categories.and it ain’t even close. Botswanna meets none of them

It’s not economically prosperous, read that article about how it’s dependency on diamonds has started to hurt it

Neither does the country have a high human development with a life expectancy of 68

A terrible social wellbeing with rampant crime, poverty etc

And it’s a very weak nation. It has no influence in the world.

In the geopolitical and QOL sense, India is much more successful. Accept it particularly in the geopolitical sense.

Derekmiles:
"I’m in delusional mode? You’re describing yourself. You keep saying most analysts. Are you telling me that all the analysts you showed me are all the analysts on earth"

When most of the analytical consensus leans this way, then yes it is most... Trying to find an article about that actually says Botswana isn't successful is like finding 2 needles in a haystack, this is a research i've actually done a while ago due to their 1st President; and most even won't say they ain't successful, they will just bring out their issues.

No and it’s not most
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2024/09/19/in-botswana-diamonds-aren-t-forever_6726556_19.html?utm_

https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/botswana/overview?utm_source

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, you didn't even get the gist... There are successful middle Eastern Nations, are there are not?.

Read about all the violent issues that went on in Europe for a lot of the 20th century, and i'm not talking about WW1 or 2 either, those are too obvious.

I don't deny the violent crime of Botswana, i don't deny shit, but that wack criteria isn't stopping them from being successful... Stop projecting, i have the Ghana example to show how wack your criterias are, Rwanda and even others could have also been used.

Modern day Europeans didn’t do the stuff you mentioned. That’s the fault of their ancestors. But modern Botswana. If a country can’t guarantee the safety of its citizens. That definitely makes it more of a a shithole and Botswana is dangerous.

Being an upper middle income country is irrelevant when your income inequality and crime is sky high. The fact that even Nigerians live in a safer environment than Botswana is ludicrous.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, you didn't even get the gist... There are successful middle Eastern Nations, are there are not?.

Read about all the violent issues that went on in Europe for a lot of the 20th century, and i'm not talking about WW1 or 2 either, those are too obvious.

I don't deny the violent crime of Botswana, i don't deny shit, but that wack criteria isn't stopping them from being successful...

The Gulf is not violent.
The Europeans that did those things are long dead.

Categorising an extremely violent, backward, depressed etc country as successful is hilarious. How is that wack criteria. Safety is not wack criteria. And I told you before that success of a country can be evaluated in different ways.

A successful country can be defined in various ways depending on the criteria you prioritize. Some common indicators of a successful country include:
1. Economic Prosperity:
• A strong economy with high GDP per capita, low unemployment, and high standards of living.
• Effective management of resources and industries that contribute to sustained economic growth.
2. Human Development:
• High life expectancy, access to quality healthcare, and education.
• A significant proportion of the population having access to basic services like clean water, sanitation, and electricity.
3. Social Well-being:
• Low levels of poverty and inequality.
• Social stability, low crime rates, and a high standard of living for most of the population.
• Strong social safety nets and support systems for vulnerable groups.
4. Political Stability and Governance:
• A stable political system, rule of law, and functioning democratic institutions.
• Good governance, transparency, and a lack of corruption.
• Effective public services and infrastructure.
5. Environmental Sustainability:
• A focus on sustainable development and responsible environmental management.
• Minimizing environmental degradation and addressing issues like climate change, pollution, and biodiversity loss.
6. International Influence and Relations:
• Positive diplomatic relations with other countries and active participation in global organizations.
• Security, trade, and a strong defense to ensure both national and regional stability.

A country’s success is subjective and can depend on the specific priorities of its citizens, government, and international observers. For instance, while a country like Norway may be seen as successful based on human development and quality of life indicators, another country like Singapore might be considered successful in terms of economic performance and political stability

Derekmiles:
"What those analysts are saying is nonsense"

FULL ON DELULU MODE😂😂😂. THE EXACT WORDS I WAS LOOKING FROM YOU.

Dude couldn't fathom the fact that most Analysts actually deem Botswana a successful Nation... Dude was bombarding me with Projections that hasn't even happened yet, and insinuating "Believe", but the present that we live in is nonsense; Oh, they are saying nonsense only if its a Black Nation right?😂😂😂... YOU ARE OFFICIALLY IN DELULU MODE.

I’m in delusional mode? You’re describing yourself. You keep saying most analysts. Are you telling me that all the analysts you showed me are all the analysts on earth. Bro I can present an article that presents Botswana as a successful country and and as a failure. I could do the same for Nigeria and any other country. But that doesn’t matter as there are different ways of determining success. Your criteria of success is supporting a country where the citizens senselessly kill and slaughter eachother. It’s actually wild that Botswana is more dangerous than Nigeria and people always Nigeria is shit because of how dangerous it is. And the funny thing, you’ve actually as to how even Nigeria is better off than Botswana.

You just don’t want to accept that no black society is successful.

Derekmiles:
Bro is begging with his last statement, you're a fool😂😂😂... "Violent people are not successful", what a new low, are you this deep into emotional jangos now?, Your rebuttal to most analysts is violent people are not successful?😂😂😂. The Middle East has a lot to say about that... You talk about Violence, take an actual history book for once and read about Europe in the "1990s😂😂😂.

You’re doing what blacks are best at doing. Normalising violence.
So Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etcare successful? If I threw you in that country would you want to live there?😂😂 how is it an emotional Jango? Europe is nowhere as violent as the rest of the world. I know you argue, you like to backtrack and deflect from the main point. You still haven’t answered my question about violent crime. Is it that violent crime doesn’t matter at all when assessing how successful and prosperous a nation is?
Sure go ahead and think Botswana is successful and just ignore that it’s a crime hotspot😂 successful but can’t provide safety for its citizens?😂😂🤣🤣

European crime is nowhere the rest of the world

Derekmiles:
Slightly?😂😂😂, the U.S if i'm mot mistakening is at 7.5, Ghana is about 1.7-1.8... Malaysia has a way more dangerous traffick death rate than India, like double, Malaysia has to be bad right?😂😂😂. Saudi Arabia is nearly double, i guess Saudi Arabia is not a successful Nation right?😂😂😂... Wack criterias; you can't go against most analysts, shut up, and stop embarrassing yourself; the words of the analyst are more important than yours.

As of the most recent data:
• United States: The homicide rate is approximately 5.9 per 100,000 people.
• Ghana: The homicide rate is significantly lower, around 1.8 per 100,000 people.

This means Ghana’s homicide rate is roughly one-third of the United States’, indicating that Ghana is a much safer country in terms of homicides compared to the U.S. However, it’s important to note that Ghana, like any country, faces its own set of challenges when it comes to crime, but its homicide rate remains relatively low compared to global averages.
And the US is higher largely because of black Americans😂

Your again deflecting from the main point.

What those analysts are saying is nonsense.

Botswanna’s problems from unstable electricity to high crime, insecurity, dangerous roads, poor infrastructure etc are too many to make it a successful country. There are more than one than defining success. India is infinitely more successful than Botswana when it comes to economics, innovation, technology, safety etc.

Derekmiles:
Ghana is not successful... The U.S is literally more unsafe than Ghana, is the U.S not successful?; did the unsafeness of the U.S lead to the country not being a powerful Nation. Understand wack criterias😂😂😂.

Violent people are not successful and Botswanans and Africans/blacks are inherently more violent than Indian and Asian people. The US is higher than some of those African countries because of black Americans 😂. They literally commit 50%
Of the homicides. Just accept it that blacks are a failed race.

Derekmiles:
Ghana is not successful... The U.S is literally more unsafe than Ghana, is the U.S not successful?; did the unsafeness of the U.S lead to the country not being a powerful Nation. Understand wack criterias😂😂😂.

Aha what happened to talking about quality of life?😂 my guy has now switched to geopolitics. I told you that how you view success can subjective. India absolutely dwarfs any African country for geopolitical influence. You’re not even answering my question. Your deflecting. Botswana is more dangerous than Nigeria. How can a country be prosperous with high crime and the thing is people outside of America particularly in Europe and east Asia view the US as a third world country wearing PRADA😂

lucianohase:
Strong economic oh......Nigeria is far behind them in almost all things

Africa is in general

Derekmiles:
And my point has always been this are wack criterias to determine a successful nation... U.S has a murder rate higher than some African Nations, Ghana has a murder rate lower than India; Is the U.S now a shithole?, your criterias are literally wack... A Nairaland user is the one trying to go up against the words of most analysts, that is literally delusion. Nitpicking wack criterias that can easily be debunked by other Successful Nations is wack😂😂😂.

The US only has a slightly higher homicide rate than a few African countries but Botswana violent crime is 2x that of India. Success people are not violent. They don’t kill themselves and others at a very high rate😂 you’re telling me that Botswana is better to live when they don’t even have constant power, their roads are more dangerous than even Nigeria and so is the country 😂😂

Botswana is more comparable to Nigeria than it is to India. Nigeria is actually safer 😂

Derekmiles:
And my point has always been this are wack criterias to determine a successful nation... U.S has a murder rate higher than some African Nations, Ghana has a murder rate lower than India; Is the U.S now a shithole?, your criterias are literally wack... A Nairaland user is the one trying to go up against the words of most analysts, that is literally delusion. Nitpicking wack criterias that can easily be debunked by other Successful Nations is wack.

This what you do when you can’t d why my point. Crime
Is a bad analysis 😅? Your crazy. So a country can be unsafe and it’s still successful?
Why did you bring 😂 Nigeria also has a lower violent crime.

And again, most analysts have not said botswanna is successful. The fact that the Reddit thread I posted had people complaining debunks this idea.

How on earth is violent crime a wack criteria?😂 and I’m the one that needs therapy. Killing people at a higher rate is fine but your still a successful country?

Derekmiles:
When the man doesn't even mention Botswana, but India is spoken in great detailed😂😂😂, cope harder bro... Even your Asean neighbours hates you guys.

He said Africa is a shithole. Is Botswana not in afriva
https://punchng.com/trump-calls-africa-others-shithole-countries-earns-un-aus-anger/?amp

New flash that applies to all the 54 countries of Africa 😂😂

Derekmiles:
It is not, Japan has their stats. up to 2023, and Botswana was 16 at 2019😂😂😂.

So let me just get this straight

-High suicide rate
-higher violent crime than Nigeria
-higher traffic fatality rate than Nigeria
-Epileptic power supply
-higher unemployment
- higher income inequality

And so many more things shows that Botswana is successful. The advantages that India has over botswanna is greater than vice Versa. Botswanna advantages are also much easier to debunk.

Derekmiles:
So i guess Japan is now a shithole country, and Nigeria is not, i guess😂😂😂... Like i said, your criterias are wack; by the way, Nigeria is at 6.9 as alot 2019, i guess Nigeria was a better country than most European Nations in 2019😂😂😂.

You missed the point entirely. It’s not just suicide that’s worse but also violent crime.

Derekmiles:
And the congressman Patel gave a detailed insult on India😂😂😂... When the world thinks a single country is shit, what is it? SHIT.

The third region by the way was El Salvador.

I wasn’t talking about congress but trump. The world also thinks Botswana and Africa is even more of a shithole 😂

Derekmiles:
Oh, i'm not talking about Trump, the insult on India was beyond detailed bro😂😂😂... And Trump mentioned 3 regions, not 2... I know all about that the trump statement.

He called all of Africa and Haiti a shithole😂😂

Derekmiles:
It is not, Japan has their stats. up to 2023, and Botswana was 16 at 2019😂😂😂.

It was actually 17.7 but Nigeria has less crime than Botswana not to talk of India 😂😂

Derekmiles:
Japan is literally at 17, 17.6 to be exact; East Asia is literally called the suicide capital of the world, do you even listen to actual news about humans at all?.

Nigeria is safer than Botswana you realise? Not to talk of India 😂😂

Murder rate: Nigeria’s murder rate is around 16.3 per 100,000 people, according to World Population Review and UNODC. While this is lower than Botswana’s, Nigeria faces more complex challenges due to issues like insurgency, kidnapping, and terrorism in certain regions (e.g., Boko Haram in the northeast and militia violence in the Niger Delta).
• Violent crime: Violent crime in Nigeria is widespread and often linked to organized crime, militant groups, and political instability. Armed robberies, assaults, and kidnappings are more common, particularly in urban centers like Lagos and Abuja.

Comparison:
• Botswana has a higher murder rate at 21.5 per 100,000 compared to Nigeria’s 16.3 per 100,000. However, Nigeria experiences broader violent crime due to the presence of insurgent groups and widespread instability in certain regions.
• Botswana’s crime surge, particularly in urban areas, reflects the growing issue of violent crime, but Nigeria’s violent crime is more widespread and includes terrorism and insurgency-driven violence, which makes it more complex and extensive than in Botswana.

Conclusion:
• Botswana has a higher homicide rate compared to Nigeria but doesn’t face the same scale of insurgency-related violence and terrorism that Nigeria experiences.
• Both countries have their own distinct challenges, but Botswana’s recent rise in violent crime is notable despite its relatively lower levels of overall crime compared to Nigeria

A country that is even more violent and dangerous than Nigeria is what your comparing India too?

Derekmiles:
2021😂😂😂, be current bro, you are so outdated.

Wait, it's even 2019, i thought it was even 2021.

That is the most up to date data.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, you said it was at 52 before, which means it's a recent data, 52 to 45 is not significant improvement, and that will almost certainly be in a very short time... Delusion, is that you?😂😂😂.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/congress-mouthpiece-calls-india-a-shit-hole-country-064544724.html

The insult is very detailed and specific on India.

Learn how to read, the insult was directed at Haiti and Africa. It says presumably

‘He dislikes the developing world and doesn’t want immigrants from what he calls a ‘shit-hole country’, in which list he presumably includes India’

Donald Trump never explicitly used the phrase “shithole” in reference to India.

That’s just relating to Africa and Haiti. He called all African countries a shithole

Derekmiles:
Japan is literally at 17, 17.6 to be exact; East Asia is literally called the suicide capital of the world, do you even listen to actual news about humans at all?.

Your precious Botswana is 20😂😂
That’s why people said Botswana is an unhappy and miserable shithole.

Lesotho has the highest suicide rate. Most of the top 10 countries with the highest suicide rate are in Africa 😂😂

East Asia is not the suicide capital of the world. Africa is 😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Derekmiles:
Botswana's Gini is 45 and fastly improving, the rates can easily be seen on Wikipedia, keep up with your datas... U.S is at 41 and actually declining, i guess the U.S is now a shithole; Nigeria actually has a lower Gini than the U.S and Botswana, i guess Nigeria is a great country now😂😂😂... Your criterias are wack.

Because the US has a lot more wealth concentrated in its elites. Botswana’s Gini has not significantly improved in the last decade. It’s still high, which indicates that income inequality remains a persistent issue.The country has made some strides, but structural issues like over-reliance on resource-based industries and rural underdevelopment continue to drive inequality. Income inequality as a measure of success is wack and you that keeps on harping on about QOL?😂😂 and we know that in the geopolitical sense, nobody cares about Africa and Botswana. It’s an impoverished, shitbole.

Even Trump called ALL AFRICAN nations Botswana included and Haiti a shitbole 😂😂

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna836946

Derekmiles:
Japan is considered a suicide capital. I guess Japan is now a shithole, most of your criterias are easily debunked with other Developed worlds😂😂😂... Come to the real world.

"Such a great country but yet people are killing themslees more often than the other country"

I actually am beginning to doubt that you know any colective metrics in your head beforehand.

You know what better countries don't do, shit on the street en masse.

Japan has a lower suicide rate than either but the point is if this Botswana is so great why are people killing themselves and eachother so much?

That defacation problem of India is limited to rural areas.

I’d take defacation over violent crime. But I get it blacks/Africans normalise violent crime. The violent crime of Botswana is 2x India.

Derekmiles:
Growth in economy, growth in HDI, growth in basically almost all metrics, and it's failing?😂😂😂... Anecdotal BS, is that you?.

Projections dude keeps going against most analysts... You are the exception, the world literally thinks the opposite, project your criteria all you want, Botswana is pushing forward.

It’s economy grows because it sells diamonds and minerals because of other countries. Bruh, that’s not even real growth 😂😂

It lacks diversification and manufacturing, a high unemployment, terrible infrastructure, skill shortage.

Botswana has higher income inequality than India. This is evident from their Gini coefficients, a measure of income inequality where 0 represents perfect equality and 100 represents perfect inequality.
• Botswana’s Gini coefficient: ~53 (one of the highest in the world).
• India’s Gini coefficient: ~35-37 (moderate inequality)

Resource based economies tend to have higher income inequalities as since it’s not an economy being powered by industrial activity. It’s being powered by a few elites selling diamonds and other raw minerals.

Derekmiles:
You did the opposite, i have more love now for my African brothers than i ever thought i did... What almost everyone in the world agree to though is that India is a shithole😂😂😂... What analysts agree to is that Botswana is successful😂😂😂.

No black/ African success does not exist. Cry about it 😂😂😂

Derekmiles:
You did the opposite, i have more love now for my African brothers than i ever thought i did... What almost everyone in the world agree to though is that India is a shithole😂😂😂... What analysts agree to is that Botswana is successful😂😂😂.

No I did because not only have you try to respond to my comment as to how your precious Botswana has more dangerous roads and violent crime than India and Nigeria.

But you’ve refused to accept the reality. Botswana economy is not impressive. There is nothing there. What an irrelevant country is something your trying to compare to India 😂😂

And it even has a higher suicide rate than India.

Suicide Rate: In 2019, Botswana’s suicide rate was reported at 16.1 per 100,000 people. 
• Gender Disparity: Males are disproportionately affected, with a rate of 26.3 per 100,000, compared to 6.4 per 100,000 for females. 
• Global Ranking: Botswana ranks 14th worldwide in suicide rates, indicating a significant public health concern. 

India:
• Suicide Rate: In 2022, India’s suicide rate reached 12.4 per 100,000 people, the highest ever recorded in the country. 
• Total Suicides: Over 170,000 deaths by suicide were recorded in 2022, reflecting a rising trend in recent years. 
• Global Context: India accounts for a substantial proportion of global suicides, with significant impacts on both male and female populations.

Such a great country but yet people are killing themslees more often than the other country😂😂

Derekmiles:
Then let it fail first, it hasn't failed yet, it hasn't failed since the "60s... If they fail should be non of your beeswax; that is projecting your criterias because most doesn't agree with you; analysts say it's a successful Nation, that's what it is... And a country being considered a successful Nation by most analysts goes way beyond being subjective, that is you projecting more😂😂😂! no analysts just speaks without some analytical concept... Botswana is successful, the definition of what's successful by analysts is more valid than some Nairaland user, sulk on that bitch😂😂😂.

And the dude that was mocked still talked about GDP, they laughed him to oblivion with the per Capita... Imagine masking a GDP when there are 1.4 Billion people within that GDP😂😂😂.

‘Then let it fail first, it hasn't failed yet, it hasn't failed since the "60s... If they fail should be non of your beeswax; that is projecting your criterias because most doesn't agree with you; analysts say it's a successful Nation, that's what it is... And a country being considered a successful Nation by most analysts goes way beyond being subjective, that is you projecting more😂😂😂! no analysts just speaks without some analytical concept... Botswana is successful, the definition of what's successful by analysts is more valid than some Nairaland user, sulk on that bitch😂😂😂’

Yeah a country that doesn’t have stable electricity is successful 😂😂 and it’s already failing. You saw what that guy said with over dependence on raw materials and high unemployment 😂😂 they don’t work cause they’re lazy and they kill eachother. Their homicide rate is 2x that of india. Yes how successful a country can be subjective.

I’ve already told you why Botswana is a shithole 😂

It’s so irrelevant as a country. Sure they win on GDP per capita but that’s just because they’re much smaller in population. When India overtakes their per capita, what will you say next. An economy that is based on industrial activity will do better than an economy that is based on resource extraction😂

Derekmiles:
A GDP of 18 Billion to 2.5 Million people is way more impressive than a GDP of 3+ Trillion to 1.4 Billion people😂😂😂... It's not even close... And it's 21 Billion, stop reducing.

😂😂😂, the projections of Chinese illegally migrating has been getting way lower for years than Indians, Indians illegally migrate everywhere😂😂😂... It does matter, there is no shit you will say on this earth that will convince people that mass illegally migrating doesn't have some view significance on the country they're illegally migrating from.

You are done, reality speaks completely different from your delusions.

No especially when that GDP is just down to selling diamonds as opposed to selling finished goods 😂 why can’t Botswanans produce anything? They lack the mental capacity to do so? No sub Saharan African country will every industrialise buddy 😂😂

‘😂😂😂, the projections of Chinese illegally migrating has been getting way lower for years than Indians, Indians illegally migrate everywhere😂😂😂... It does matter, there is no shit you will say on this earth that will convince people that mass illegally migrating doesn't have some view significance on the country they're illegally migrating from’

Not really true but you’ve deflected from the fact that the Chinese diaspora is almost the same size as the Indian one. Chinese diaspora is 30 million and India is only slighter at 32 million. There almost as many Chinese people outside of China than India. China is a shithole based on your criteria 😂😂🤣🤣

Just accept it, I’ve crushed that useless black, Afrocentric pride of yours 😂😂

Derekmiles:
Projecting again i see😂😂😂... If they say they are lazy and irresponsible, then that's their view, not the view of analysts; most countries think they need to be doing better😂😂😂... The view of the world on Indias is "Shithole", the view of analysts on Botswana is Success.

I used your logic against you bro, I don’t think a comment on a chat forum matters much but it’s clear that some of your fellow Botswanans view their country as lazy and irresponsible. And they’re actually from the country. I sent you a post of guy that said Botswanna is screwed. The world views all of Africa as a a shitbole. Africa is synonymous with poverty, corruption, violence etc. Botswana is a violent shitbole 😂

Derekmiles:
Diamond is a very valuable natural resource product that's traded... Product goes way beyond man made😂😂😂... Cry louder😭😭😭, your projecting criteria doesn't click to the real world😂😂😂.

You don’t produce it, you pick it from the ground. That’s why I told you that Botswana is irrelevant😂😂. The world wouldn’t notice if Botswana disappeared.
There is nothing impressive about selling something on the ground. It’s not mentally challenging😂😂

A resource-based economy is often seen as a joke because it puts all its eggs in one basket. Relying too much on things like oil, minerals, or diamonds means the entire economy can crash if prices drop. Plus, it stunts growth in other areas like tech or manufacturing, leaving countries stuck with outdated industries. It’s like living paycheck to paycheck instead of building long-term wealth—it works for now, but it’s not a smart way to plan for the future. When those resources have depleted. What happens next? You have to use your brain. Not what is under neath your foot. But I get it, intelligence is something that doesn’t really exist in Africa.