babsjnr:
Fck american top 5 most wealthy black on earth are african. I've been to states load of times.. america negro are really struggling to survive some lives in a blackout house no eletricity for dayz.

Ahaha it’s not that bad. But it is still quite bad. The ethnic group that have it the worse in NA are Native Americans. Their lifestyle while better than most Africans is not that much better. They live in reservations.

tensazangetsu20:


Honduras is safer than Nigeria. Crime rate in Nigeria is underreported. People are kidnapped and ransom is paid and it never makes it to the news. What of the killings going on in rural areas all across Nigeria. Many of such incidents happen and are unheard of in the news. At least when it happens in Honduras we all hear it. Look at what happened when a major drug lord escaped prison in Ecuador. It was all over the news and the army swept into action and he was caught. We had a prison break in Nigeria and till now we haven't heard anything regarding anything.

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country/

Nigeria has the 4th Highest Crime Index in the world.

DyingFetus:


Venezuela is better than Nigeria


If you wan compare Nigeria, use Honduras or Nicaragua

Nigeria HDI-0.531

Nicaragua HDI 0.584

Honduras HDI- 0.621

It’s an insult to Honduras and Nicaragua to even compare the two.

Gerrard59:


Entirely untrue. If Nigeria is one of the top five worst countries, what about other sub-Saharan African countries? Honduras is a murder capital for crying out loud. They shoot there for a living.

Honduras’s crime is a tear compared to Nigeria. Nigeria’s crime is woefully underreported. Nigeria’s crime index is the 4th highest in the world.

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country/

tensazangetsu20:


To be honest Christianity isn't the problem. We are foolish. Chile is an extremely religious country and even has religion Intertwining with politics and it didn't stop development. You couldnt even get divorced from your husband or wife until 2004 as it was against the bible. At a point in time it was illegal to not be catholic and not attend mass but it didn't stop anything. We are just foolish in Nigeria and Africa. Americans are very religious too and america is still developed. I have met very crazy religious people here and their faith is very strong. Honestly, even back then during the Renaissance periods in Europe a lot of the pioneers were very religious. One very good sculptor was asked why he was so efficient at his work and he said because if nobody is watching, God is watching. These guys did things with excellence. Look at European architecture from the very olden days and try to compare them to today. Religion isn't the problem. We are fools. Our traditional religion was even worst.

One thing to note from all of this is that secularity is basically a prerequisite to having a successful civilisation. Secular nations rule the world. All the nations that dominate our world whether that is technologically, militarily, politically, culturally, economically, socially and so on are either secular or irreligious. Examples include USA, UK, EU,Japan, China, South Korea etc.

tensazangetsu20:


To be honest Christianity isn't the problem. We are foolish. Chile is an extremely religious country and even has religion Intertwining with politics and it didn't stop development. You couldnt even get divorced from your husband or wife until 2004 as it was against the bible. At a point in time it was illegal to not be catholic and not attend mass but it didn't stop anything. We are just foolish in Nigeria and Africa. Americans are very religious too and america is still developed. I have met very crazy religious people here and their faith is very strong. Honestly, even back then during the Renaissance periods in Europe a lot of the pioneers were very religious. One very good sculptor was asked why he was so efficient at his work and he said because if nobody is watching, God is watching. These guys did things with excellence. Look at European architecture from the very olden days and try to compare them to today. Religion isn't the problem. We are fools. Our traditional religion was even worst.

Chile is one of the least religious countries in all of Latin America.

“In Chile, the proportion of people who are religious dropped from 92% in 1995 to 71% in 2015 according to Latinobarometro. Almost 17% of Chileans are atheist and 12% non-religious. In September 2011, a group of atheists founded the Atheist Society of Chile (In Spanish: Sociedad Atea de Chile).[22] According to Latinbarometer poll in 2017 Chile is the second most irreligious country in South America after Uruguay with 38% of the population not following any religion”

Look at the map, The most religious Latin Americans countries like Bolivia, El Salavador, Guatemala. They are also some of the poorest and least developed nations in Latin America.
The least religious countries of Latin America like Chile and Uruguay are the richest and most developed countries of Latin America.

tensazangetsu20:


To be honest Christianity isn't the problem. We are foolish. Chile is an extremely religious country and even has religion Intertwining with politics and it didn't stop development. You couldnt even get divorced from your husband or wife until 2004 as it was against the bible. At a point in time it was illegal to not be catholic and not attend mass but it didn't stop anything. We are just foolish in Nigeria and Africa. Americans are very religious too and america is still developed. I have met very crazy religious people here and their faith is very strong. Honestly, even back then during the Renaissance periods in Europe a lot of the pioneers were very religious. One very good sculptor was asked why he was so efficient at his work and he said because if nobody is watching, God is watching. These guys did things with excellence. Look at European architecture from the very olden days and try to compare them to today. Religion isn't the problem. We are fools. Our traditional religion was even worst.

Read up on Age of Reason and Age of Faith (Dark Ages). One is a period where Europeans were ultra religious and superstitious (dark ages).
https://study.com/learn/lesson/age-of-reason-religion-summary-purpose.html#:~:text=The%20Age%20of%20Reason%2C%20also,the%2017th%20and%2018th%20centuries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Reason



One is a period where Europeans became far far less religious and superstitious (Age of Reason). Europe was at one point like Africa was today but that was over half a millennia . It was ultra religious and superstitious in the dark ages. But it was very poor, primitive and backward in the dark ages. What allowed Europe to prosper was the Age of Enlightenment. A period where the power and authority of the church was undermined. Religion began to play a much less important role in European society. Enlightenment Thinkers ranging from Cesare Beccaria, Denis Diderot, David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Lord Monboddo, Montesquieu, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Adam Smith, Hugo Grotius, and Voltaire were anti religious. They either wanted religion to have absolutely no relevance in society or wanted religion to play much less of a role in European society.

Age of Reason was all about Novelty over Convention. Reason over Faith. Science over Superstition. And so on. The Age of Enlightenment was what made Europe great and gave them the technological edge to conquer the entire world. It spurred the Scientific Revolution, Industrial Revolution and brought about Capitalism, Modernity and so on.
If Africa had its own Age of Enlightenment. This would be a very different conversation to what we are having now. But that will never happen.

tensazangetsu20:


To be honest Christianity isn't the problem. We are foolish. Chile is an extremely religious country and even has religion Intertwining with politics and it didn't stop development. You couldnt even get divorced from your husband or wife until 2004 as it was against the bible. At a point in time it was illegal to not be catholic and not attend mass but it didn't stop anything. We are just foolish in Nigeria and Africa. Americans are very religious too and america is still developed. I have met very crazy religious people here and their faith is very strong. Honestly, even back then during the Renaissance periods in Europe a lot of the pioneers were very religious. One very good sculptor was asked why he was so efficient at his work and he said because if nobody is watching, God is watching. These guys did things with excellence. Look at European architecture from the very olden days and try to compare them to today. Religion isn't the problem. We are fools. Our traditional religion was even worst.

I don’t know why this thread and nairaland keeps on acting funny. Some days it will work. Some days it won’t. But look at this map of the USA, The most religious states of the USA are also the poorest states in the US. The Southern United States of America (AKA Bible Belt) is by far the most religious region of America. It’s also the poorest, least educated in the US/ it’s always been that way. The Southern USA had an agricultural economy built on slavery. They were never as industrious as the North even till today. Hence why they got their asses handed to them in the civil war. Outside of Texas (which is becoming purple and thus filled with loads of irreligious, liberal people) and possibly Florida. Southern USA is the worst part of the US. The least religious states of the USA such as on the West Coast and Northeastern USA are the richest, most educated and developed regions of the country.

The USA is an example of how secularity drives prosperity. While the USA is religious for the standards of a developed nation. For the standards of a developing nation, It is irreligious. Americans are nowhere as religious or superstitious as Africans and never have been. It’s not even close.
The Founding Fathers of USA were deists. They never intended for the USA to be a religious nation. The US Declaration of Independence and US constitution were based on French Enlightenment Ideas.

Religion is also in rapid decline in the Western World.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1176206568/less-important-religion-in-lives-of-americans-shrinking-report#:~:text=Participation%20in%20houses%20of%20worship,%25%20and%2021%25%2C%20respectively.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Christianity_in_the_Western_world

Neither Americans or Westerners in general haven’t been ultra religious or superstitious for centuries.

Look at the Middle East, Qatar and UAE are less religious than Saudi Arabia and Iran. They offer a higher standard of living to their citizens.

Nigerians do not like facing facts.

I am happy that Nigerians are the most educated immigrants in US, but it does not make much difference to me as they tarnish the good part by being the most fraudulent immigrants in US.
The fact remains that people will never appreciate your good part if the bad part exceeds the good one.

If na lie i lie, please prove me wrong and stop being sentimental.

@osun queen

Better relax, otan-ile in obokun LGA na my second home town. You dey feel me now?

That stat is definitely cap. Nigerians are nowhere the Asian Immigrant group in the USA.

Akano5:


Africa needs serious deliverance

It needs more than deliverance 😂

Akano5:


Afghanistan has 97% access electricity, north african countries are trying their best building several power plants -- but Nigerian politicians refused to build new power plants, that's wickedness.

Africans are just full of wickedness and greed. it's too much...

Yeah, it’s embarrassing that Warzones are still able to provide better electricity than most African nations. That continent is a failure. Ukraine Electricity Access Rate is still higher than most African nations and they are being attacked by a very strong enemy. They are in a war for crying out loud. Russians have been hitting their infrastructure hard particularly their energy infrastructure yet they don’t struggle with power as much as most African nations. Africa is just a joke.

Gerrard59:


But that is exactly what I stated: East Asia is the only region that can be compared to the Western world. Nowhere else comes close.



It is not even the billionaire size that trips me; after all, India has a large billionaire class, but many parts still look like sub-Saharan Africa. My own is the comparison these so-called our "online elite class" make with the West. I have noticed that many so-called educated black people who manage to have money tend to place their shoulders with the Western world rather than looking inwards and seeing that we are far behind. It is why when they eventually visit East Asia, they are stunned that there is a region which actually measures up to the Western world. Their body dey calm down.

Black people are way behind in every developmental indices.

P.S. I don't consider Elon Musk to be an African. The concept of African in this context is a black man. White Namibians or White South Africans can always point to their richer cousins in the West as proof that they are developed.



Those are a bunch of clowns, and we have them even in the US who are African Americans. Always claiming nonsense and sh!t! Today, they want black anime; tomorrow, they are wondering why black people do not fancy Talyor Swift. Tomorrow, they start chanting mumbo-jumbo about certain tourist locations trying to "cancel" it, yet money dem no get. Always wanting to be like the Whites, yet dem no get money and high living standards. You have foolish Nigerian women going to Morocco and Lebanon because it is an "African country", then try to cancel it on the Internet. Meanwhile, the top ten source markets for tourists to the country, Nigeria no dey inside. https://www.hotelmanagement-network.com/data-insights/source-markets-morocco/?cf-view

The ignorance and arrogance which is garnished in chronic privation is befuddling.



Which is exactly the problem. As I write, there are miscreants on Reddit/Nigeria who believe Nigerians in Nigeria don't "warm" their soups. These arrogant ret@rds believe every Nigerian has a microwave and refrigerator. Meanwhile, statistics show that only 1% of Lagosians (where the bulk of the middle class resides) have an airconditioner. Imagine that figure in a tropical country, yet air-cons is the norm in a tropical Singapore.

I keep writing it, Nigeria exists outside leafy parts of Lagos, Abuja and Port-harcourt. Apart from Abuja, the elite areas in Lagos and Port-harcourt don't compare to the elite parts anywhere in the Western world. A place where there is no publicly piped water system cannot be described as an elite neighbourhood.

That’s true to be fair. East Asia is the only region of the globe that matches up to the Western world.

When the elites of Africa go and see the elites in the rest of the world. They will pipe down. If you take them to the Gulf Arab countries where they can see the life the elites live there or to the richest parts of USA/UK/ Canada and the rest of the western world. They will come off their high horse and realise that their wealth is nothing compared to elites abroad. It’s true Nigerians and Africans in general tend to think that the Western world is the only wealthy region in the world and thus the only other region that’s a rival to them which is far from true. Africa is far far behind the WORLD not just the western world. As I’ve said prior

Latin America is far far more developed than Africa

Asia is way way way more developed than Africa

The West is just overkill. It’s light years ahead of Africa.

I’ve heard many Nigerians and other Africans actually compare their nations to the ones in Asia and Latin America. Even the poorest nations of Latin America are either slightly more or less developed than the richest nations

There are even African Americans that claim that some of them are the native Americans. It’s like they want to be everything in this world 😂

And those appliances what do they think is powering them is not electricity? Most Africans either have epileptic power supply or no power at all. There is no electricity to even make use of such appliances for much of the population.

tensazangetsu20:


I cant imagine Nigeria at 2 times our current population. Our economic level in 1986 is the same level in 2023. If we double our population, our per capita income will be around 300 USD per head making Nigeria one of the poorest countries on earth in the leagues of countries like haiti and Burundi.

The annoying part is that people are breeding like animals in Africa. Africa is going to implode. Idiots breeding more idiots and they aren’t fit to raise family much of the time. When I was last in Nigeria, I could see woman beggars on the street with like 5 children around them. Whenever I passed by I felt like giving the women a hot slap or spit on her face and telling her to keep her legs close giving the children money to feed and take care of themselves. Why on earth should someone in that financial situation even think of bringing children to the world? Bringing a child into the world and giving that child a miserable life. It’s despicable.
Nigeria is likely to follow a similar path like Sudan and India/Pakistan. It will divide soon. No country where one half of the population is one religion and the other half is another religion can actually work. It’s never happened before. No there cultural and ethnic differences are too big.
Nigeria is on its way too becoming like Burundi.

Regex:


We are still in the stage of "die by fire...", suspecting everything is spiritual and believing in a sky daddy to do everything for us.

Other countries are now using nuclear energy, energy produced by fusing or fission of atoms. Here na, if you don't pray, you become prey...Pele.

Christianity and Islam have done more to ruin than actually help Africa grow. As Desmond Tutu stated
“When the missionaries first came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. when we opened them, we had the Bible and they had the land!"

How does one expect a society where the populace that never want to take responsibility for their actions and instead blame some supernatural force?

How can development occur if they are more churches and mosques in Africa than they are schools, hospitals, universities etc?

tensazangetsu20:


I have said it and I will keep on saying it. Africans have zero business with leadership. All of Africa should be handed to Europeans to rule for the next 1 trillion years and they can probably hand over back to us if we are civilized then. Let's even forget countries, see how black men run companies and businesses. There's no black company or business anyone wants to work for. It's always all shitty. See how even run basic things like family. Someone will have 10 kids that they cant provide for. A white man will never behave in such a foolish way.

They need to forget the Berlin Maps. It hasn’t got them anywhere. Africa wasn’t the only place to be colonised. Latin America and Asia were colonised but their lands are nowhere as screwed up as Africa. Many people assume that Africa will rule the world simply because Africa’s birth rate is higher than anywhere else in the world. After all 1 in 5 people by 2050 will be Black/African by 2050 which means that 25% of people will be Black.
https://www.planete-energies.com/en/media/article/africa-continent-future#:~:text=Africa%20Drives%20World%20Population%20Growth&text=simpler%20term...-,.,population%20will%20experience%20significant%20growth.

But why do you many see this as something to be proud of? Africa’s rapid population growth will be what impedes it from growth not helps it. African governments can’t even take care of the population they have now not to talk of 3-4x that amount.

tensazangetsu20:


1824 ke. You can't compare any European city of 1824 to African cities of 2024. Even Rome of bible times is more developed than Africa of today. The romans had roads and had clean water in biblical times. Honestly, if to say I was a white man eh, I swear I will kill black men. I go give them wotowoto. What a waste of species.

😂😂😂😂 And it’s true. This was New York in the 19th Century. Most of Africa doesn’t look as organised as that today. And it’s a shame because there are gifted Black people out there that could have made Africa great but fled overseas for a higher standard of living. I’m not going to say that the West was the only cause of Africa’s problems. Yes Western imperialism didn’t help Africa.The West greatly contributed to Africa’s downfall. But a lot of the problems Africa faces are also internal. Africans didn’t help themselves. Africans have failed to emulate the success of European and Asian Civilisations. China and India were colonised by the West but now they are serious competitors to the West. There have been fears of China overtaking America. Western policy has been aimed at even curbing their rise. Outside of North Africa, Africa has made genuinely no meaningful impact to human civilisation.

It’s interesting that there are virtually no successful black majority nations. Even Black communities in Western nations tend to be much poorer, much more likely to commit crime and so on.


India was colonised by the British. It transformed itself into a powerhouse centuries later. They recently overtook the UK to become the 5th largest economy in the world. Indians in the diaspora are doing all kinds of magnificent things rather that’s taking public office like with Rishi Sunak in the UK or Nikki Haley trying to become president or leading tech giants etc. China was not much better if not less developed than Africa in the mid 20th century. But in 50 years, That country turned itself into a superpower that stands rivals even the mighty America.

Africa is a lost and it’s sad.

tensazangetsu20:


Nigeria's case is even peculiar. Nigeria doesn't even have electricity. Something that has been solved 200 years ago. You can literally take en electrical engineering book and It will teach you how to generate electricity. Technology of 200 years we never crack na road, plane, universal healthcare and employment we go do.

Countries are out there are spawning technologies like Quantum Computing, AI, Blockchain, Robotics,VR and Augmented Reality, Genomics and are trying push the boundaries of what humanity can achieve. America sent Neil Armstrong to the moon in the 60s shortly around when Nigeria became independent. Now Elon Musk and his company Space X and with NASA etc are aiming to reach Mars to go out of this world and explore the universe meanwhile down in Africa, They can’t even give their citizens basic amenities like constant power, adequate infrastructure and clean running which was something that was achieved decades ago in the rest of the world. Africa is a lost cause. I sometimes struggle to believe that place is real. I don’t know how an environment with all that potential could turn to be such a failure. It’s embarrassing. It’s so far behind the rest of the world that’s in a different time period. Africa is in 1824 but the rest of the world is in 2024😂

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_in_Asia_and_Oceania_by_Human_Development_Index

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index




With the exception of the Middle East and certain parts of Southeast.The gap between Asia and Africa is dramatically more than between Africa and Latin America. Japan alone has a GDP of $6 trillion which is approximately 3x than the entirety of Africa added on to the fact that it’s in the G7 and it’s on par if not superior to Western nations in all forms of development e.g technologically, economically, socially etc and so is South Korea, Singapore and quite a few other Asian nations. Those Asian Tigers are not to be messed up. Even the poorest countries of Asia have a much higher level of development than most of Africa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_in_Asia_and_Oceania_by_Human_Development_Index

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index


Those ones think that Ikoyi, Victoria Island, Banana Island, Lekki, PH and Abuja are the only parts of Nigeria 😂😂😂😂. Those kind of people will make unfair comparisons between the elites of africa to middle class of the west and think that somehow means Nigerians are richer. Even the much of the rich in Nigeria would fall into upper or middle middle class in the West. It would seem appropriate to compare the elites of Africa to the elites in the other parts of the world and the difference is crazier. The African billionaires do not measure to the billionaires abroad. The richest 10 people alone in America have a net worth that around 2-3 trillion dollars. That’s enough to rival Africa’s entire GDP. It would be insane to even compare the likes of Dangote, Adenuga, Oppenheimer, Johann Rupert,Rabiu to the likes of Elon Musk(though born in SA, his mother was Canadian and he made all his accomplishments in both USA and Canada), Bill Gates, Larry Page, Bezos and Warren Buffet. The elite of Africa are little children compared to those overseas.




Afrocentrics and Pan Africanists are the worst of the worst. They claim everything as their own from Moses to Jesus to the Israelites to the Moors or Ancient Egyptians. Even The ones that compare themselves to the Western world deep down know that it’s a crazy comparison to make. Comparing Africa and The West is like comparing a jungle to a civilisation. They really shouldn’t try that sacrilege. And the worst part is that those are the same people that will still spend more time in the West than they will in Nigeria 😂😂

Those Nigerians that speak that make those comparisons are the ones that have never experienced real Nigeria. They are the ones in diaspora or are here but wealthy.

tensazangetsu20:


The water underground the street in front of my house started leaking. These guys first came with a machine to trace the exact point of the leak then the opened up the road fixed it and closed up the road. This was done in one day. I went out in the morning when they were opening the road and when I come back the road was as it was before they opened it. Whereas in Nigeria we are still building Lagos Ibadan expressway after 30 years. Common road we can't build. Honestly if I was a white man the way I will be racist to blacks eh.

Last time I was in Nigeria last summer as I was lining up to board the plane. Water fell on my head as the roof was leaking. China finished building that new terminal at Murtala Mohammed like a year or so go and I don’t understand how the country has already messed it up. I walked through there and it’s already shown signs of damage and some of the escalators weren’t even working.
And it’s sad because when one analyses the natural resources that Africans have under their feet. They should be the richest and most powerful region on this planet but they don’t know how to use those resources efficiently so foreigners like the West having been do so for the past 3-4 centuries and now China and Russia have joined in. Africa is just seen as a natural resource donor. The only way Africa will develop is if something quite catastrophic happened and odds of that are next to zero. Even if you paused life in the rest of the world to give Africa time to catch up. It won’t even get close. Never in a trillion years.

Hannania:
Better, yes! Far beyond? No! Brazil, Argentina, Chile might be better than most African Countries, but Nigeria is Paradise compared to places like Venezuela.

Latin America is far beyond Africa. It’s not close. The continent is way out of Africa’s league. Africa is way way way behind the rest of the world. Heck even poorer parts of Asia or Eastern Europe are far ahead of Africa not to talk of Latin America that has some countries with a fairly high HDI.

Latin America is far more advanced than Africa whether that be technologically, economically, socially and politically.

The West invests a lot into Latin America as its shifting much of their manufacturing their. There isn’t really much if hardly any manufacturing in Africa.

“ Sub-Saharan Africa is, by nearly every measure, behind Latin America in regard to socio-economic development. It is much poorer; by most measures, Latin America’s combined GDP is between two and three times greater than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and it’s as much as seven times per capita. Only a handful of African countries have a higher per capita GDP than Honduras, the poorest country in Latin America. Africa lags by every social and economic measure: infrastructure, electricity access, power generation, education, and health care are all areas where Latin American states are far ahead”

https://www.isi-consultants.com/insights/doing-business-in-latin-america-vs-africa-how-do-they-compare

And the gap between Nigeria and Venezuela is also huge.

Venezuela Life Expectancy- 71 years old

Nigeria- 52 years old


Venezuela GDP per capita-$15,975.73

Nigeria GDP per capita-$2,065.75

Nigeria HDI-0.535

Venezuela HDI-0.691

Nigeria Infant Mortality Rate- 54 per 1,000
Nigeria Maternal Mortality Rate -1047 deaths per 100 000 live births

Venezuela Infant Mortality Rate-23.903 deaths per 1000 live births

Venezuela Maternal Mortality Rate-259 per 100,000

Venezuela Crime Index- 6.64 (18th Highest in the World)

Nigeria Crime Index- 7.15 (5th highest in the world)

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country/

Venezuela Infrastructure Ranking -0.211 (43rd highest in the world)


Venezuela poverty rate- 50.5%

Nigeria poverty rate- 65%

Over 2/3rds of Nigerians live on less than 2 dollars a day
So Yes, Latin America is far beyond Africa. Latin America is really not even that far behind Asia and it rivalling Asia doesn’t seem so far fetched either. Countries like Brazil and Mexico really have the potential to be global powerhouses. But whether that actually occurs is yet to be seen
Africa is by far and large the poorest and least developed continent in the world. And it’s not close. Not by any stretch of imagination
Latin America is far ahead of Africa

Asia is way way way ahead of Africa

The West is light years ahead of Africa to such an extent that they make Africans look like a lower form of humans 😂

Hannania:
The number of Unicons in Brazil is X2 that of the whole Africa gawwwn.. And there are promising firms that can increase that number by next year. There are opportunities in that country, but me no ready to learn Portuguese yet . Second passport is the goal.

That’s because Latin America in general is far beyond Africa in terms of development

BigBashiru:


I'm going to address your points directly...


The ambitions of the west has led to the development of their various countries and ease of life in general....

>> it's not a western thing it's a global thing....any ambitious country can succeed in anything. Russia first sent a man to the moon....western europe has not. Madagascar found the cure for covid-19 before western europe...for you to make an informed input you need to visit various African countries....you can't conclude the west is more ambitious than africa based on western media and propaganda....of course they will glorify themselves and say they are more ambitious than you. Every year tens of thousands of Nigerians return back to Nigeria from Europe America etc....they have realized the truth: overall Nigeria and Africa is better.

This is simply what Africans lack, curiosity!


That's according to the West. For colonization to happen, the colonizers must convince you that they are better than you. In fact, the LIFE of the collective west is dependent on the continued propagation and belief of this theory that Africans lack curiosity, are primitive, are lazy etc. That's why the BBC invests millions of pounds yearly filming poor kids (never mind the same poor kids are found in Budapest, Warsaw, Berlin etc. This is further reinforced in the colonial education curriculum that teaches Mungo Park discovered River Niger....I want to state now that Einstein Faraday and all those scientific laws named after Europeans were either stolen inventions or renamed inventions or claimed inventions. Know this and know peace.... keep an open mind and listen and think about what I just told you. In many cases the western brainwashing is complete and many Africans are permanently mentally enslaved.

At this point I want to draw parallels between colonization of north America and Nigeria/Africa....the British called native Americans savages unable to think, who lack curiosity etc and who needed to be "civilized". After erasing the culture of 150 First nations in Canada thru genocide, forced assimilation etc they came down to Africa around 1856. They repeated the same script here: Nigerians and Africans are savages who need to be civilized who also lack curiosity and are lazy etc. That's the colonial script you hv believed. I've already told you a self sufficient person (Africa) doesn't need to start colonial wars - only barbarians (Europe) do that due to their poverty.

I was once like you till it clicked one day and I understood what's happening/happened....

Listing the African inventors and philosophers will take too long but over time I will on this thread....just don't hv the time for today but over time I will....

Nigeria and Africa are better? There is no alternative reality in where what you are saying is true. Offcourse the West is more ambitious than Africa. They explored the world and built modern civilisation.

Madagascar didn’t find the COVID cure before Europe. Its plant based “cure” was even deemed as unsafe by
the WHO.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/madagascar-slams-who-for-not-endorsing-its-herbal-cure/1836905

Most Russians are obviously white and live on the European side of Russia. In terms of ethnicity/race , Russia is is very much European. Geographically and Politically. The US sent Armstrong to the moon before the Soviets sent a man to space.

It was because of the Germans that the Soviets and Americans got ahead in the space race. Look at Operation Paper Clip and Operation Osoaviakhim
Neil Armstrong was of German and Scottish Descent.

Germany had an invaluable effect on both the USA and USSR. Without Germany, Those programs would not have taken off literally.

It was also Albert Einstein that showed the Americans the formula to create the atomic bomb.

Almost all important innovations, advances in technology were made by European and Asian Civilisations. The Brits were the first country in the world to become industrialised. Europe brought about the scientific revolution, introduced concepts such as capitalism, modernity etc.

Outside of North Africa, Africa has done Bleep all to improve the world.

YoungLionken:
CNN and BBC have made the Westerners believe that. That's why I hate that useless movie: "Woman King", like why Africa of all places??

People believe that the Westerners are the most educated, but I believe that they're the most ignorant! They still believe that Africa is a country, we wear animal skin as clothes, dwell in mud houses, use bow and arrow as weapons, etc. All thanks to the news media and fake movies...

Africans are the dumbest. I wouldn’t say that most westerners actually believe those African stereotypes actually especially the ones that have travelled more.

BigBashiru:


I'm going to address your points directly...


The ambitions of the west has led to the development of their various countries and ease of life in general....

>> it's not a western thing it's a global thing....any ambitious country can succeed in anything. Russia first sent a man to the moon....western europe has not. Madagascar found the cure for covid-19 before western europe...for you to make an informed input you need to visit various African countries....you can't conclude the west is more ambitious than africa based on western media and propaganda....of course they will glorify themselves and say they are more ambitious than you. Every year tens of thousands of Nigerians return back to Nigeria from Europe America etc....they have realized the truth: overall Nigeria and Africa is better.

This is simply what Africans lack, curiosity!


That's according to the West. For colonization to happen, the colonizers must convince you that they are better than you. In fact, the LIFE of the collective west is dependent on the continued propagation and belief of this theory that Africans lack curiosity, are primitive, are lazy etc. That's why the BBC invests millions of pounds yearly filming poor kids (never mind the same poor kids are found in Budapest, Warsaw, Berlin etc. This is further reinforced in the colonial education curriculum that teaches Mungo Park discovered River Niger....I want to state now that Einstein Faraday and all those scientific laws named after Europeans were either stolen inventions or renamed inventions or claimed inventions. Know this and know peace.... keep an open mind and listen and think about what I just told you. In many cases the western brainwashing is complete and many Africans are permanently mentally enslaved.

At this point I want to draw parallels between colonization of north America and Nigeria/Africa....the British called native Americans savages unable to think, who lack curiosity etc and who needed to be "civilized". After erasing the culture of 150 First nations in Canada thru genocide, forced assimilation etc they came down to Africa around 1856. They repeated the same script here: Nigerians and Africans are savages who need to be civilized who also lack curiosity and are lazy etc. That's the colonial script you hv believed. I've already told you a self sufficient person (Africa) doesn't need to start colonial wars - only barbarians (Europe) do that due to their poverty.

I was once like you till it clicked one day and I understood what's happening/happened....

Listing the African inventors and philosophers will take too long but over time I will on this thread....just don't hv the time for today but over time I will....

Your entire argument doesn’t comport with reality.
More Africans go to the West than Westerners go to Africa.Immigration levels from Africa to the West are at all a time high.

Over 150,000 Nigerians applied for a US Visa 2023
https://punchng.com/over-150000-nigerians-applied-for-us-visa-in-2023-envoy/?amp

In first half of 2023, The UK granted over 130,000 visas to Nigerians.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/619375-uk-granted-132000-visas-to-nigerians-in-first-half-2023-envoy.html

“In 2021, the migration rate in Nigeria stood at -0.29 per 1,000 population. This means that the number of people leaving Nigeria is slightly higher than that of those entering the country”
Nigerians are definitely trying to JAPA out of that shithole of a country especially now that you people elected a former drug kingpin 😂😂😂 as your president. That’s why developed nations are tightening their immigration laws to curb migration from third world countries like Nigeria.
Africa has always lagged behind the rest of the world. It’s always been way behind European and Asian civilisations.
African nations and philosophers?
Give me African analogues of Einstein,Aristotle, Newton, Charles Darwin.
Outside of the North, Africa has made very little contributions to modern civilisation. Stop deceiving yourself.

VeryStingyMan:


Pan-Africanists continue to lie to themselves in order to justify their centuries of backwardness. Being unambitious ultimately led to the easy colonization by the French and the British and now, more than 60 years after decolonisation, the continent is yet to fix their problems - tribalism, corruption, extreme poverty, incompetent and greedy leadership, lawlessness and severely undereducated masses not to mention the fact that the lack of ambition still plaguing the continent till date.

I mean, why do you live in modern houses and not your "aesthetically appealing" round huts? Why do you use smartphones rather than depend on town criers? You don't prefer your ways, you simply lack the capability to evolve and make it better by yourself!



Think long and hard about this... What do you think any country on the African continent would be able to "bring to the table" in the next 2 centuries? Africans elect populist leaders who have no plan to develop their respective countries and when they're exposed as failures, they suddenly take a pan-Africanist, anti-west stance and soon become continental heroes - like the classic case of Museveni in Uganda.



I'd argue there's more freedom in the west. Hell, there's more freedom in North Korea but ok

I agree with everything you’ve said. Africans are the last people in the world to talk about nature preservation and being connected to nature. Humans in general are killing Gaea. She’s probably really pissed off with everyone living on her at this time. We are all killing the ecosystem. Africa is no different in this regard. Africa is even worse. Most Africans do not care about things like Environmental protection, Nature Preservation, Global Warming and Climate Change. The African Economy is centred on extraction of natural resources which is detrimental to the vitality of our ecosystem.
Africa is very behind on pushing for green energy, and tackling climate change compared to the rest of the world.

Would you rather bathe or drink water from a river in Africa or a developed nation? 😂😂

Compare the air and water quality of Africa to the rest of the world.

It’s hilarious that Afrocentrists/Pan-Africanists bring this up because they know there is nothing else Africa excels in.

Africa is by no means connected to nature when it’s destroying its ecosystem at even quicker rate than the rest of the world.

edgecution:


I actually did my service in BAMA. At the 202 Tank Batallion formerly 211 Tank Batallion in BAMA Borno State. I did not die. Go and ask people from Borno if there is no place like that.

That’s because Boko Haram has calmed down as it’s now gone into IS West Africa.

But please go into one of those regions where Fulani Herdsmen are likely to strike, let’s see how long you last 😂.

EazyMoh:

If there is only one country in Africa with stable electricity it is supposed to be Nigeria! Stop finding excuses for failure!

Subsaharan-Africa in general should do like the rest of the world does have stable power but it doesn’t and probably never will. sub-Saharan-Africa is a joke.

EazyMoh:

Stop repeating rubbish. If a small step as installing prepaid meters, many people will learn to conserve their power consumption. Many people still run generators daily, and running generator is definitely more expensive than NEPA. There are many African countries with close to 247 electricity why not Nigeria?
Stop finding excuses for mediocrity and failure.

Not many. It’s only North Africa that enjoys electricity like what is seen internationally. Sub-Saharan Africa doesn’t.

Wiseandtrue:

In this same Nigeria wey we dey

You don’t even make up to 1% of the population. Nigerians have to largely provide electricity for themselves. It’s not a grid system.

edgecution:
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Trash. Go and live in Southside Chicago or Detroit Eastside if you will last 1 year.

Go and live in Borno or Maidugri State and see how long you will last before insurgents slaughter you.

Or how about in the village where the Fulani Herdsmen just killed over 140 civilians?
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigerian-villagers-missing-two-days-after-suspected-nomadic-herders-kill-140-2023-12-26/