Abuzola:

I love jesus, but your Bible and the vatican insults him which am stressing out here, didn't you see where i said according to the bible and vatican

oyb:

@ op, i thought you are a former Muslim, did you know so little about your religion before you 'converted' ?

ronkeenuf:

Olabowale is not one, there are many other Olabowales around just like Jesus is not one cos there are many other men who bear Jesus. if you read the post titled 'The Root Words of Allah" you would see that Allahuakbar can only best be translated in English as God is the greatest but in arabic there is no comparism. if you know a little about language and translation, you would not have a problem with understanding the word Allah. If the christians had a problem with calling God Allah in Arabic they would simpliy call him Illah.


all of this is just a matter of fundamentals of tranlation and please lets not start repeating issues cos this is already discussed.

olabowale:

ilah means God, or god(s), depending on who is saying it. for Ibrahim, his son Ismail, and Hajah, his wife and mother to his son, they used to say Allah in Arabic, in Makka. there is a story in which father visited his son in Makka. the first visit, the wife of son Ismail complained bitterly to father inlaw Ibrahim, without knowing the relation and what he may advise the husband, is to leave the wife. divorce this woman who can keep your secret from a stranger; change the threshhold at the door, was te simple yet full of meaning advise.

it is permitted for son to marry without the father being present, the reason the wife did not know about Ibrahim. she complained about what they used to eat; meat and bread, and drink is only zam zam water. Ibrahim left a prophetic message for his son about the must divorce this wife. the wife delivered the message and Ismail divorced her.

Ismail married another wife, and Ibrahim visited again when Ismail was not in. Ibrahim askes about their diet and the woman said Alhamdulillah(thank The God), the food that they eat is quite adequate. Ibrahim left a prophetic message with the wife, in this case for the husband to keep her and never divorce her. note that during the lifetime of Ibrahim, though the Kaaba was built by him and with the help of son Ismail, there was not a single idol (god) in its vicinity or in it. unless you wanna say that Ibrahim left one idolatry society and start another one for himself, with son Ismail being the leader of Makkan version of this new idolatry, then, Ibrahim, son, etc, as distinct generations worshipped in the Kaaba located in Makka, practicing their own basic form of Islam that was revealed to them in their official prophetic roles. that islam must have ended when idolatry became the official religion of the people, from islam of no idol in Kaaba to 360 idols of idolatry, until Muhammad(AS) became a prophet, raised in Makka.


the Kaaba idol free structue must have a name of The God, Allah attached to it, while worshipping, since it is believed as the first house built for the sole purpose of worshipping the one true Lord, The God. we also must know that the yemeni tribe which later settled in this land along with Ismail, from which he married twice, at least, in my above statement, used to speak a form of dialect or language that was later adopted by the whole of Makka! that language is Arabic, which is another semetic language, similar to Syric, Hebrew, etc. Afterall, we know that an accented form of Allah was spoken by Isa bin Mariam, calling The God, Eloi! look at the similarity; Allah and Eloi.

look at the similarity, Isa, to yeshua/yesa.

look at the similarity Mariam, to Maria/Mariama.

now, it is not impossible for Ibrahim to speak Arab as he must have had plenty of contact with the arabs  business people, all over the trading routes, with their presence in his founded city, Makka/Bakka, being headed by his son, Ismail. i only provided two visits to disproof the notion that he, Ibrahim just threw Ismail and his mother out on their seats, and never look back, according to the biblical narrative. he did not listen to Sarah either, nor did Sarah asked for the sending away of only son and younger co-wife. if she had, she would have been called by the muslims to be an evil woman, wife and later mother. and no muslim woman would have been named after her. afterall, no muslim is named after cain, the killer. so an oppressor is just as bad as a killer, if not worse!

now, back to my analysis; idolatry was going on in all cultures of the world, then and still continues by islamic definition, even tody. so the idolators of arabs before they began to bring their idols to KAaba in Makka, the new central and uniting place for all in the area, they called their idols their gods, and not The God, knowing fully well that there is still The God that they cannot see, The Creator, etc. so they used the idol as the middle entity, in their dealing with Him, the same way that the christians use Jesus for. so it is ilah that is used for gods, the ilah of fertility, is different from the ilah of war, and that is different from that of journey, and so on. but these people, as i have said, again know that their Creator does exist and they cant see Him. so they dont know how to make Him. He was simply called Allah; The God, with a capital, instead of lower case 'g!'.


Every society has her idol worshippers, and when pressed, they know The God exists, and it is not their ifa, or ogun, or shango, or orisha! these are some of yoruba idols, which are quite different from Eledumare/Oluwa/Olorun/Eleda (The God).

Aremugangan:

The explanation of Heaven exceeds what your little brain can comprehend. How do you explain a time when there will be no death?
Q55:56-"Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has open their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them.
Q55:57-Then which of the favour of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny?
Q55:58-(In beauty) the are like rubies and coral.
Q55:60-Is there any reward for good other than good?
Q55:70-Therein (gardens) will be fair (wives) good and beautiful;
Q55:72-Houris (beautiful, fair females) restrained in pavilions;
Q55:74-Whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has open their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them
Q55:76-Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses.
Q55:78-Blessed be the name of your Lord(Allah), the Owner of Majesty and Honour
If you doubt the possibility of the above verses, please explain why the same sun that melts the butter hardens the clay

olabowale:

If I ever saw a former muslim who knew nothing about Islam while professing it as his religion, after Pilgrim.1 (Sorry girl, I miss you so much), it is Sleek29! I wonder where these horrible former muslims from my Yoruba tribe got their islam, way back when they practiced?

A blind man can see the superiority of the contents between the Quran and the Bible where they have come story theme.

@May kelly: Go sleep on it. Cursing and professing to be the matron of Christianity just don't go hand in hand. Relax woman. Before long, I hope you will put the same energy into Islam, without the curse, as you have put in Christianity. Abuzola seems to be shaking the root of your belief, people of the Books!

@Abuzola: Good job. May Allah reward you, abundantly.
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abuzola is making me a better christain as his dodgy answers to the numerous questions posed to him keeps assuring me that indeed islam is repackaged polytheism( allah,allat,al-ulla, al-uzza, al-manat), repackaged to make islam appealing to christains and jews, he put known thoughts at the time,sayings of ariatotle,hippocrates, put them in the quran which this modern islamists call scientific miracles (how can there bones before flesh), it has been found to be a saying by hippocrates, it's been found to be a false theory, and about the so called BLACK STONE well ancient pagan arabs also kissed and caressed the black stone too.

maybe you need to check this out for yourself http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm allah is a moon god.

[b]The Bible condemns moon worship:

1. "And beware, lest you lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven." Deut 4:19
2. "and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded" Deut 17:3
3. "For he rebuilt the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he erected altars for Baal and made an Asherah, as Ahab king of Israel had done, and worshiped all the host of heaven and served them." 2 Kings 21:3
4. "And he did away with the idolatrous priests whom the kings of Judah had appointed to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah and in the surrounding area of Jerusalem, also those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and to the moon and to the constellations and to all the host of heaven." 2 Kings 23:5
5. "And they will spread them out to the sun, the moon, and to all the host of heaven, which they have loved, and which they have served, and which they have gone after, and which they have sought, and which they have worshiped." Jer 8:2
6. "And the houses of Jerusalem and the houses of the kings of Judah will be defiled like the place Topheth, because of all the houses on whose rooftops they burned sacrifices to all the heavenly host and poured out libations to other gods." Jer 19:13
7. "And those who bow down on the housetops to the host of heaven" Zeph 1:5

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olabowale:

@JeSoul: My college roommate Rev. David Kayode is one of the Pastors, if its the Baptist Church in Times Square you are talking about. His wife is a woman I know since they started their relationship way back them.

Now if your idea of plagiarization is to stick on Quran, then you have to show me Surah Waqiah in the Bible. Or show me Ruth, Ester, Acts of Apostles, Epistles and Revelations in the Quran. You have to show me songs of David, too.

Let me return to Quran; Show me Surah Taha, Hud, Kahf, Ya Sin, Rahman, Muhammad, Qamar, Quyamma, Fajr, Takathur, Kafiruun, Dhuha, Qadr, Balad, Talaq, Mulk, Ala, Qalaq, Abasa, etc. Show me the last three Chapters? When you look through Quran, it has nothing about the Bible, except counter points. It is a powerful thing that you made such an accusation. But where is the basis for it?

Your parents will write an accurate book about your early life. Your sister's friend acquittance will write a less accurate book, becaus he heard your sister friend said that he/she jotted down some points from your parents book, when your sister was reading it to her over the phone.  Your sister express how much you were loved, but she did not read the whole book to her friend, who noted the essence of what your sister read.


The friend acquittance then took this points and ran with it, creating a book that she dubbed your life history.

Who is correct between your parents book and your sister's friend acquittance book?

The Quran is similar to what is from your parents. The Bible is what is similar to your sister's friend acquittance book. The Quran is from Alah the Speaker. The Bible, is part God, part angels, part prophets, part followers of prophets, part followers or generation that followed the followers of prophets. Paul happened to be the example I chose to show the followers of the follower of the prophets!

Abuzola:

@sleek, the Prophet never divorce Aisha, so what are you saying in regard to the above statement

Abuzola:

@sleek, why are you going off topic, is it because of your bible foul.

Do you have problem with English expression ? How does the number one question have to do with Aisha, second question: You are too blind to observe that the verse never state the earth to be flat but your bible says so, thank God for the vatican who quickly modify it, hahaha what a bible