check the post again

i'm not a girl , i have a right to speak as long as its the truth, why do you feel ashamed to hear about your role model?

or what, strap a bomb on yourself and blow up the site?

fizzybaba:

wal asri!

truth hurts but it has to be told. the man is not from God.

@poster and abuzola, this is the reason i won't reply you, ''Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words'' Proverbs 23:9

@abuzola, women are treated like properties, when one goes bad you just kick her out and pick up another.

eyah, what a concoction of a story

Was the original manuscript written in hebrew, aramaic or greek, nope man it was written in latin vulgate, that was a piece written after your so called prophet mo, meaning he didn't even know the book existed, STOP SPREADING LIES MAN.

JESUS IS LORD

olabowale, why can't you just think for once, i said the word mahmad is used to describe something precious or lovely that's why i gave you twelve other places its found in the bible,

sleek29:


1 Kings 20:6: "Yet I will send my servants to thee tomorrow about this time, and they shall search thy house, and the houses of thy servants; and it shall be, [that] whatever is Muhammad in thy eyes, they shall take [it] in their hand, and carry [it] away."

2 Chronicles 36:19: "And they burnt the house of God, and broke down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all its palaces with fire, and destroyed all its Muhammad vessels."

Isaiah 64:11: "Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned with fire: and all our Muhammad things are laid waste."

Lamentations 1:10: "The adversary hath spread out his hand upon all her Muhammad things: for she hath seen [that] the nations entered into her sanctuary, whom thou didst command [that] they should not enter into thy congregation."

Lamentations 1:11: "All her people sigh, they seek bread; they have given their Muhammad things for food to relieve the soul: see, O LORD, and consider; for I am become vile."

Lamentations 2:4: "He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand as an adversary, and slew all [that were] Muhamma[/b]d to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion: he poured out his fury like fire."


Ezekiel 24:16: "Son of man, behold, I take away from thee the [b]Muhammad of thy eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down."

Ezekiel 24:21: "Speak to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will profane my sanctuary, the excellence of your strength, the Muhammad of your eyes, and that which your soul pitieth; and your sons and your daughters whom ye have left shall fall by the sword."

Ezekiel 24:25: "Also, thou son of man, [shall it] not [be] in the day when I take from them their strength, the joy of their glory, the Muhammad of their eyes, and that on which they set their minds, their sons and their daughters." Hosea 9:6: "For, lo, they are gone because of destruction: Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them: the Muhammad [places] for their silver, nettles shall possess them: thorns [shall be] in their tabernacles."

Hosea 9:16: "Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay [even] the Muhammad [fruit] of their womb."

Joel 3:5: "Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my Muhammad things."

If this mutilation of Scripture seems to you ridiculous, it is meant to be as it shows the quality of the theory behind such an idea.

When taken to its logical conclusion it makes a mockery of Hebrew grammar. Why should an adjectival clause be translated a proper noun? Machmad already has a proper noun counterpart, but more closely related to the clause -- Chemdan (or Hemdan), the eldest son of Dishon of Anah the Horite. If machmad should have been written as a proper noun the author would have written Chemdan.

Think man and stop blabbing, Jesus means yehushua in hebrew but its Yisa in arabic how close is that?

@ olabowale, what's the meaning of all you have just written, incomprehensibe to say the least, the video didn't tell us what the word meant in hebrew rather it said it was mohammadin, what does it mean?, the praised one?, or what as other places its found in the bible its used as an adjective meaning something precious, lovely and not a noun.

and i was just disclaming the islamic idea that he said parakletos in full alos parakletos( another of the same kind that will be with you and counsel you, defend you e.t.c.)

what are muslims afraid of?, the fact that they know that their prophet is indeed not from God?, this has been a way christians has been lured into islam, i was a muslims, i know all of these lies, parakletos or periklytos, put my word in your mouth, ask yourselves this question, did mohammed ever mention this prophecies when he was alive, maybe in the hadith or the quran, did he say sprcifically that he was the periklytos?, this is the person Jesus told us about has all of these qualities:

Jesus said the parakletos is not a human being:
John 14:16: "he will be with you for ever" (a human doesn't live forever)
14:17: "he will be the spirit of truth" (a human is distinct from spirit)
14:17: "the world neither sees him, " (a human is visible)
14:17: ", nor knows him" (a human would be known by others)
14:17: "and he will be in you" (a human cannot be within others)
Jesus said that the parakletos has a specific mission; to point to Jesus:
14:26: "whom the Father will send in my (Jesus') name"
14:26: "will remind you everything I (Jesus) have said to you"
16:8: "he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin, "
16:14: "He will bring glory to me (Jesus), "
Finally, Jesus said that the parakletos is a spirit:
14:17: "the Spirit of Truth"
14:26: "the Counsellor (parakletos), the Holy Spirit"

http://www.hlinc-zionsake.org/Mud2-final.html

simple, the word mohammad is an adjective in hebrew, it occurred in a lot of places in the bible, you should stop trying to put this fake prophet in the bible, just because his name is mohammed doesn't make a man who had a huge sexual appetite, had a 9yr old as a wife, killed and ordered others to do the same,  A PROPHET.

So, can Machmad signify Muhammad? Wise men allow that when one verse is in doubt it is justified to explain one passage of the Bible by another. The word machmad appears twelve more times in the Old Testament. Since Muslims are so intent on finding the name of Muhammad in the Hebrew word "machmad," it is important that they remain consistent. Therefore, we have printed these twelve prophetic verses below and leave it to you to ascertain whether they fit. Note that we have been consistent in now translating this word as the long-neglected "proper noun" which they claim it to be.
1 Kings 20:6: "Yet I will send my servants to thee tomorrow about this time, and they shall search thy house, and the houses of thy servants; and it shall be, [that] whatever is Muhammad in thy eyes, they shall take [it] in their hand, and carry [it] away."

2 Chronicles 36:19: "And they burnt the house of God, and broke down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all its palaces with fire, and destroyed all its Muhammad vessels."

Isaiah 64:11: "Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned with fire: and all our Muhammad things are laid waste."

Lamentations 1:10: "The adversary hath spread out his hand upon all her Muhammad things: for she hath seen [that] the nations entered into her sanctuary, whom thou didst command [that] they should not enter into thy congregation."

Lamentations 1:11: "All her people sigh, they seek bread; they have given their Muhammad things for food to relieve the soul: see, O LORD, and consider; for I am become vile."

Lamentations 2:4: "He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand as an adversary, and slew all [that were] Muhamma[/b]d to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion: he poured out his fury like fire."


Ezekiel 24:16: "Son of man, behold, I take away from thee the [b]Muhammad of thy eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down."

Ezekiel 24:21: "Speak to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will profane my sanctuary, the excellence of your strength, the Muhammad of your eyes, and that which your soul pitieth; and your sons and your daughters whom ye have left shall fall by the sword."

Ezekiel 24:25: "Also, thou son of man, [shall it] not [be] in the day when I take from them their strength, the joy of their glory, the Muhammad of their eyes, and that on which they set their minds, their sons and their daughters." Hosea 9:6: "For, lo, they are gone because of destruction: Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them: the Muhammad [places] for their silver, nettles shall possess them: thorns [shall be] in their tabernacles."

Hosea 9:16: "Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay [even] the Muhammad [fruit] of their womb."

Joel 3:5: "Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my Muhammad things."

If this mutilation of Scripture seems to you ridiculous, it is meant to be as it shows the quality of the theory behind such an idea.

When taken to its logical conclusion it makes a mockery of Hebrew grammar. Why should an adjectival clause be translated a proper noun? Machmad already has a proper noun counterpart, but more closely related to the clause -- Chemdan (or Hemdan), the eldest son of Dishon of Anah the Horite. If machmad should have been written as a proper noun the author would have written Chemdan.

This claim is quite similar to the issue of the paraclete in the book of John (which we will refer to later). Many Muslims contend that it is another prophecy of Muhammad. Yet this prophecy in John 14 and 16 has been shown for what it is - a prophecy of the Spirit of God. We find it peculiar that Muslims will, in one text, base their claim on the meaning of one word at the expense of its pronunciation (paracletos versus periclytos) and yet with another text base their claim on the pronunciation of a single word at the expense of its meaning (desire versus praise)!

If these techniques of hermeneutics are just, then wouldn't it be quite in line to expect to find as a substitute for the word paracletos a prophet named "Perry Clinton," whose name really means "the desired one?" Absurd? Yes! That is the point. Using this technique one can conjure up a prophecy for nearly any prophet one happens to fancy, or even make up one on the whim.

Conversely, a Hindu could claim that in Sura 30:1, the word "al-rum" (for Romans), which can be written "Ram," must be referring to the Hindu God "Rama."

A further irony in this whole exercise is that Muhammad is not even the name which the prophet grew up with. According to Muslim tradition, in his youth Muhammad was called Amin, a common Arab name meaning "faithful, or trustworthy." Amin was his given name, a masculine form from the same root as his mother's name "Amina."

We understand the desire by Muslims to find any prophecy which will give credence to Muhammad, for without it Muhammad has no outside evidence to prove his prophethood. That then leaves the authority for the beliefs of over one billion Muslims hanging on the single testimony of just one finite man. We ask, however, that Muslims not twist or attack the scriptures in order to gain their own agenda. We are constantly amazed that Muslims should be at once both critics and stewards of the Holy Scriptures of Christians and Jews. It would be better to be of one mind.

If Muslims firmly believe the scriptures are inadequate then they should behave as such and abstain from picking and choosing what they like from what they deem a hopelessly inadequate book. We will not insult them for bravely allying with other enemies of the Bible. But it is hypocrisy to use data from a book they claim is crude and inferior to support an already illogical argument.

If we truly believe the scriptures and desire to find prophecies within them, then we need to read them all and learn with an open mind. We need to truly submit ourselves to the authoritative and COMPLETE teachings of Scripture as has been diligently preserved throughout the ages.

JESUS IS LORD

sounds more like a man's decree to me, its all mo's idea man, temporary marriage, sounds like having a contracted sex partner to me(prostitution given a fine wrapper)

@abuzola, you are so low in intellect, my 7 month old niece seems to be more intelligent than you are.

@olabs, Christ has 2 different personalities, Romans 1:3, and Romans 1:4, one is born of the seed of David according to the flesh, the other declared to be the Son of God, the fact that he carried God's Spirit in its wholeness is the reason for that declaration, the flesh was killed but the Spirit cannot and will never die as the Spirit that dwelled in Christ is the very Spirit of the Father, the flesh (the one your eyes can see), was crucfied, the same way you throw the torah or the bible into the fire and it will burn, they are both books that contain God's word, and God's Power and Spirit lives in His word, you can only burn the book but you can't kill His word, Jesus was a living being that housed God's Spirit(the Living word) they destroyed the house but the Spirit rebuilt it.

and i asked you if asked for forgiveness or that he repented out of guilt, 2 different things, to repent is the first step,asking for forgiveness is the next, he had no faith, didn't believe he could ever be forgiven,paul took it upon himself to kill christians but still obtained forgiveness.

ask yourself this, Did he ask for fogiveness and he was denied, repentance is one and asking for forgiveness is another, he repented and commited suicide, and that last one was referring specifcally to those who'll take the message out, stephen was killed, peter was crucified, paul was beheaded, Jesus knew the devil won't want the message to reach all, its war only that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, read Ephesians 6: 11-17, you'll know its spiritual warfare.

@abuzola, who made him commit suicide?, God or the devil ?, and matthew 27:6 reads like this '' But the chief priests took silver pieces and said, ''it is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood'', its verse 5, read well before posting, he confessed to those that sent him, guilt made him commit suicide, he allowed himself to be used by the devil and he paid the price.

@abuzola, it isn't news that killing is allowed in islam,you us showed us how forgiveness has no meaning in islam, horrific

Abuzola:

@sleek, if God and jesus are one what i see is dual and not trinity, what about the ghost you people worship

Let me ask you a simple question, can you see God?

@abuzola, go and start building something and stop witch-hunting those who are doing somehing with their lives.

GET A LIFE MAN

Abuzola:

The bible is just as stupid as mule.
How can you love your enemy eh ?

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it

multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you can’t murder the lie, nor establish the truth.

Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder the hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence

for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do

that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that………… Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


Differenciate the person from his actions, hate the actons but not the person, hate the lie but not the liar.

Abuzola:

If trinity is in the bible i will convert to xtrianity. How can you let some set of people to be lying to you on trinity, did jesus not die ? And what about the two godhead

John 10:30, My Father and I(the word that became flesh) are one, The Flesh was led by the Spirit, making Him the Son of God(Romans 8:14), its like this, God Spoke(word), The word  came out of God and Jesus came to Be, since the word turned to Jesus it means Jesus came out of God, and then if you read Ephesians 6:17 (''and the Sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God),it shows that God's Spirit is inside His word, God's Spirit can be defined as His Personality, for example you can tell who a man is just by listenening to what he says, Matthew 12:34, For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.


It's all God, i believe that the word trinity can be misleading but it should be explained to this people well because the lack they gift of the Holy Spirit which is wisdom.

Abuzola:

Christian can't get reason normal, don't mind them ogaga

as long as the person is against christianity, islamists don't care if they're atheists or pagans.

and as for you ogaga, i'll keep praying for you, whether you like i or not JESUS IS LORD AND HE REIGNS FOREVER, get a life

moh'd saw it happen 

bunch of liars, nobody to back up their stupid clams.

Abuzola:

@last poster, you are the one who need to be updated. Christian Police were the one that killed over 150 muslim in jos, Amnesty int. also comfirm it

Did Christ tell them to kill anyone?

John 14:24, ''He who does not love Me does not keep my words ,

anyone who doesn't show love to his neighbour ain't from Christ man.

@abuzola, was she barren or she couldn't pass through child birth, had miscarriages because of her tender age?

Nezan:

None of them will navigate this thread

they won't, have they even asked themselves why aisha never had a  child?

moderate islam is found in the west(where muslims are in the minority), there is no such thing as moderate islam, its just a way of getting their religion accepted in a secular society, the moment they have a greater number of followers than non-muslims they'll declare an islamic state and then the real islam comes up.

to knw that some legislators wanted to increase marriage age to 17 but it was thrown out because they said its unislamic, their prophet married a 9yr old.

@abuzola, so what if you have the highest population, has that made the world a better place?, what does it profit muslims to gain numbers and still die in hell?