@abuzola, Wisdom is too high for a fool;in the assembly at the gate he has nothing to say.Proverbs 24:7, keep your mouth shut if you don't have common sense and talk objectively.

@olabowale, if you insist that the original bible is not available then you are suggesting that God's word can be made to be extinct which to me is an insult on God's throne, no matter how much people have tried to make the bible look corrupt,its changing lives on a daily basis, infact every second, including my life, THE WORD WORKS, Its sharper than any two edged sword, i am a testimony to the awesome effect of the bible, if you don't still think its from God, then leave me and my bible alone, i have read the quran and it made me understand why muslims prefer the arabic one, because it doesn't make sense, sensual description of heaven is totally filled with lustful ideas.

If you think the bible is not God's word, I know it is,that makes the two of us, a fool will always view wisdom as foolishness and take foolishness to be wisdom, i hope you do get your 72 houris in hell

i'm not surprised at all, all these people never knew Christ, they just love the fact that islam allows them four women on earth and 72 in heaven.
and puffy loves em.

how come you had to make reference to the bible you all said is fake why didn't you make reference to the concoction called gospel of barnabas, you muslims would soon give up, and mind you Christianity is not a sect of Judaism as one is a religion and the other is not, if you say one fig tree was cut off which is Judaism, it was replaced by Christianity.

John 15:1 Jesus said''I am the true vine and my Father is the vinedresser,

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit

3 ''You are already clean because of the word which i have spoken to you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned

The Church is the new tree, God is the vinedresser, Christ is the vine and the Christians are the branches.

@abuzola, we are talking about one verse, why do you keep hiding, i asked you to explain.

Abuzola:

On inheritance lets see
Quran 4:11-12
11) 'Allah commands you as regards your children (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females, if only daughters, two or more, their share is two thirds of the inheritance, if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of inheritance to each if the deceased left children, if no children and the parents are the heir, the mother has a third, if the deceased left brothers, the mother has a sixth, after the payment of legacies he may have bequeathed or debts. You know not which of them , whether ur parents or ur children, are nearest to you in benefit: Are ordained by Allah. And Allah is ever ALL KNOWER ALL WISE

Note: This inheritance is all about children's inheritance, you can confirm yourself from the first sentence of the verse.


12) 'in that which your wives leave, your share is a half if they have no child. But if they leave a child, you get a forth of that which they leave after payment of legaches that they may have bequeathed or debts. In that which you leave, their share is a fourth if you leave no child, but if you leave child, they get an eighth of that which you leave after payment of legacies that you may have bequeathed or debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question has left neither ascendants nor descendants but has left a brother or sister each of the two gets a sixth but if more than two, they share in a third, after payment of legacies he may have bequeathed or debts, so that no loss is caused (to anyone). This is a commandment from Allah and Allah is Ever All knowing, Most Forbearing'

Note: This verse is all about the inheritance of a husband and wife if anyone of them demise, how the husband or wife inherit it, you can confirm from the subject matter of the verse.

Please i hope you know mathematics, if you do please do an example for me, 1son and 3 daughters, you just like dodging issues, what did you just do!!!

@abuzola, why did you dodge that verse, you know its a big contradiction, the sun and the moon is stable, and the earth is not like a carpet

Abuzola:

Why didn't you quote the verse in context. You dey fear, the 3 verses of inheritances are talking of different people to inheritance, the first one is for  children, second wife and third verse is for those who leave no inheritors.
Why don't you quote the verse and let the people judge

Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise. 4:11


for example, if a man has 1 son, and 3 daughters, the son has twice what one daughter would have according to that verse, and the daughters would have 2/3 of the entire estate, meaning each daughter would have 2/9, the only son would have 2/9+2/9=4/9

Adding up will be equal to 2/3(daughters)+4/9(son)= 10/9 which is more than 1 without even adding the 1/6 of the parents.




You see why those northern zombies said education is sin.

reindeer:

The topic of this thread just echoes what the 'boko haram' claims they are fighting for.'
shame

point of correction, i actually think they are fighting for a just cause, if they all go to school, WHO WILL BE THE NIGHT WATCHMEN,THE SHOEMAKERS, MERUWAS ?, WE STILL NEED SUCH PEOPLE IN THE SOCIETY.

@ abuzola, how many people has MEND killed?, they only kidnap and blow up oil stations,MEND is fighting for justice and equality while they are fighting for foolishness, or what do you think BOKO HARAM means (education is evil) ,they want foolishness and so they should give them now!!!

fellis:

Sleek29, what do you mean by, 'education exposes the contradictions in the Qur'an'? Is your own Bible accurate? Don't make me laugh.
If there are errors in the Qur'an muslims are supposed to remain in the dark, about would Allah (SWT) have made reading the Qur'an obligatory on us like He did? And before you start telling lies about how the fight was started in order to conceal the contradictions in the Qur'an, you should ask yourself whether Jesus Christ commanded you to spread false information or to make assertions about things you are not sure of in order to 'win souls'.

Simple go and ask boko haram and other islamists why they tag education a western thing, they simply know that it brings light and so they prefer to remain in darkness, now tell me WHY DO I HAVE TO PRAY IN ARABIC ?, WHY DO I HAVE TO READ THE QURAN IN ARABIC?, WHY DO I HAVE TO DRESS ARABIC?, WHY CAN'T ONE PRAY IN HIS MOTHER TONGUE, it isn't different from ifa religion and other religions because they all demand that you speak and pray or recite incantations in its original dialect but the God i serve created all this diverse languages, CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION BUT A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD!!!, religion has brought more good than bad,it has divided societies, destroyed so much and of course we have religious Christians(Catholics) who carried out the crazy crusades, this is completely drifting away from what Christ really stands for, A Christian is supposed to preach the gospel and when you find it difficult to convert them, you pray for them not KILL THEM LIKE ISLAM TEACHES.

its simple, education exposes the quran's contradictions like the inheritance law, no wonder they were reluctant to have it translated, they don't want the west to uncover their secrets.

@olabowale, acts 1:8 was a statement made by Jesus himself before ascension,reading from verse 4,@@And being assembled together with them.He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, ''which'' He(Jesus) said you have heard from Me,(5) ''For John truly baptized with wate, but you (the disciples) shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.''
and then read on you'll see that they were having this conversations with Christ until the 9th verse when he ascended.

So the question is who are the disciples? The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch, he was talking to us all,when you become born again you receive the Holy Spirit and that makes you a disciple and a witness and as they were named in Antioch, a Christian

And the teachings of the Holy Spirit is found everywhere in the bible, the Spirit worked in the apostles ''And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues,as the Spirit gave them utterance acts 2:4

''Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise(the promise of the Holy Spirit) is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Paul did what he did because of the Holy Spirit, he received the Holy Spirit through the disciples, that promise is for all mankind, and as many as those who ask they shall receive.

Dozens of people have been killed after Islamist militants staged three attacks in northern Nigeria, taking the total killed in two days of violence to 150.

A BBC reporter has counted 100 bodies, mostly of militants, near the police headquarters in Maiduguri, Borno State, where hundreds are fleeing their homes.

Witnesses told the BBC a gun battle raged for hours in Potiskum, Yobe State and a police station was set on fire.

Some of the militants follow a preacher who campaigns against Western schools.

ANALYSIS
By Caroline Duffield, BBC News, Nigeria
Tensions are never far from the surface in northern Nigeria. Poverty and competition for scarce resources, along with ethnic, cultural and religious differences have all fuelled sudden violence.

But the latest violence is not between communities, it involves young men from religious groups, arming themselves and attacking local police.

Fringe religious groups in Nigeria have claimed links to the Taliban before - individuals have also been accused of links to al-Qaeda. But Nigeria is very different to countries like Mali or Algeria, where groups such as al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb operate.

The idea of radical Islamist militants gaining a serious foothold in Nigeria is usually dismissed, because of the strength of local identities and traditions.

The preacher, Mohammed Yusuf, says Western education is against Islamic teaching.

There has also been an attack in Wudil, some 20km (12 miles) from Kano, the largest city in northern Nigeria.

A curfew is in force in Bauchi, the scene of Sunday's violence.

Sharia law is in place across northern Nigeria, but there is no history of al-Qaeda-linked violence in the country.

Nigeria's 150 million people are split almost equally between Muslims and Christians and the two groups generally live peacefully side by side, despite occasional outbreaks of communal violence.

Militants chanting "God is great" attacked the Potiskum police station at about 0215 local time (0115 GMT) - the same time as the raid was launched in Maiduguri.

The police station and neighbouring buildings in Potiskum have been razed to the ground, eyewitnesses say.

Two people have been confirmed dead and the police have made 23 arrests.

Fringe group

The corpses of civilians are scattered around the streets of Maiduguri, after being pulled from their cars and shot, eyewitnesses say.

The police and army are patrolling, firing into the air, apparently trying to clear civilians from the area.

There are unconfirmed reports of a jailbreak in the town.

In Wudil, three people have been killed and more than 33 arrested. The senior police officer in Wudil has been wounded.

Security is said to have been beefed up in Plateau State, to the south of Bauchi, where hundreds were killed in clashes between Muslims and Christians last year.

Mr Yusuf's followers in Bauchi are known as Boko Haram, which means "Education is prohibited".

They attacked a police station on Sunday after some of their leaders were arrested.

Correspondents say the group is seen locally as a fringe group and has aroused suspicion for its recruitment of young men, and its belief that Western education, Western culture and science are sinful.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/8169966.stm

It is not related that the Black Stone was connected with any special god. In the Ka'ba was the statue of the god Hubal who might be called the god of Mecca and of the Ka'ba. Caetani gives great prominence to the connection between the Ka'ba and Hubal. Besides him, however, al-Lat, al-`Uzza, and al-Manat were worshipped and are mentioned in the Kur'an; Hubal is never mentioned there. What position Allah held beside these is not exactly known.

The Islamic tradition has certainly elevated him at the expense of other deities. It may be considered certain that the Black Stone was not the only idol in or at the Ka'ba. The Makam Ibrahim was of course a sacred stone from very early times. Its name has not been handed down. Beside it several idols are mentioned, among them the 360 statues. (First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. Brill, 1987, Islam, p. 587-591)


"The verses of the Qur’an make it clear that the very name Allah existed in the Jahiliyya or pre-Islamic Arabia. Certain pagan tribes believed in a god whom they called ‘Allah’ and whom they believed to be the creator of heaven and earth and holder of the highest rank in the hierarchy of the gods. It is well known that the Quraish as well as other tribes believed in Allah, whom they designated as the ‘Lord of the House’ (i.e., of the Ka’ba), It is therefore clear that the Qur’anic conception of Allah is not entirely new." (A Guide to the Contents of the Qur’an, Faruq Sherif, (Reading, 1995), pgs. 21-22., Muslim)

According to al-Masudi (Murudj, iv. 47), certain people have regarded the Ka'ba as a temple devoted to the sun, the moon and the five planets. The 36o idols placed round the Ka'ba also point in this direction. It can therefore hardly be denied that traces exist of an astral symbolism. At the same time one can safely say that there can be no question of any general conception on these lines. The cult at the Ka'ba was in the heathen period syncretic as is usual in heathenism. (First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. Brill, 1987, Islam, p. 587-591)

The name Allah, as the Qur'an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Arabia. The common theory is that it is formed from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus al-ilah, the god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In fact, the name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic times from Aramaic. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85)

"If a Muslim says, "Your God and our God is the same," either he does not understand who Allah and Christ really are, or he intentionally glosses over the deep-rooted differences." (Who Is Allah In Islam?, Abd-Al Masih, Light of Life, 1985, p. 36.)

Now there dwelt in Mecca a god called Allah. He was the provider, the most powerful of all the local deities, the one to whom every Meccan turned in time of need. But, for all his power, Allah was a remote god. At the time of Muhammad, however, he was on the ascendancy. He had replaced the moon god as lord of the Kaaba although still relegated to an inferior position below various tribal idols and three powerful goddesses: al-Manat, goddess of fate, al-Lat, mother of the gods, and al-Uzza, the planet Venus. (Islam and the Arabs, Rom Landau, 1958 p 11-21)

Muhammad no more invented Allah than he did al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat. The Cult of the deity termed simply "thc god" (al-ilah) was known throughout southern Syria and northern Arabia," and it was obviously of central importance in Mecca, where the building called the Ka'ba was indisputably his house. Indeed, the Muslim profession of faith, 11 there is no ilah except al-ilah," attests to precisely that point: the Quraysh are being called upon to repudiate the very existence of all the other gods save this one. It seems equally certain that Allah was not merely a god in Mecca but was widely regarded as the "high god," the chief and head of the Meccan pantheon, perhaps the result, as has been argued, of a natural progression toward henotheism or of the growing influence of Jews and Christians in the peninsula." The most convincing piece of evidence that the latter was at work is the fact that of all the gods of Mecca, Allah alone was not represented by an idol. (The Hajj, F. E. Peters, p 3-41, 1994)

Allah, we can be sure, was neither an unknown nor an unimportant deity to the Quraysh when Muhammad began preaching his worship at Mecca. What is equally certain is that Allah had what the Quran disdainfully calls "associates": other gods and goddesses who shared both his cult and his shrine. The processional chant of the pagans of the Age of Barbarism was, we are told, "Here I am, O Allah, here I am; You have no partner except such a partner as You have; You possess him and all that is his." 103 The last clause may reflect what we have already seen was an emerging tendency toward henotheism, the recognition of Allah as the "high god" of Mecca. But it was not sufficient for Muslims, who put in its place their own manifestly monotheistic hymn: "Here I am, O Allah, here I am; You have no partner; the praise and the grace are Yours, and the empire; You have no partner." (The Hajj, F. E. Peters, p 3-41, 1994)

While Allah is best known as the principal god of Mecca, he was also worshiped in other places throughout Arabia as is shown by the occurrence of the name in Sabean, Minean and particularly Libyanite inscriptions." The Qur'an (xxix, 61) refers to the belief of the pagans in Allah as the creator of the heavens and the earth; and Muhammad's own father bore the name of `Abd Allah or `Abdullah, meaning the slave or worshiper of this god. In Mecca, Allah was worshiped in the Ka'bah and possibly represented by the famous Black Stone in that place. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)

In Mecca, Allah was worshiped in the Ka'bah and possibly represented by the famous Black Stone in that place. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)
Prior to the rise of Islam, these three goddesses were associated with Allah as his daughters and all were worshiped at Mecca and other places in the vicinity. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)

Allah (allah, al-ilah, the god) was the principal, though not the only, deity of Makkah. The name is an ancient one. It occurs in two South Arabic inscriptions, one a Minaean found at al-'Ula and the other a Sabaean, but abounds in the form HLH in the Lihyanite inscriptions of the fifth century- B.C. Lihyan, which evidently got the god from Syria, was the first Centre of the worship of this deity in Arabia. The name occurs as Hallah in the Safa inscriptions five centuries before Islam and also in a pre-Islamic Christian Arabic inscription found in umm-al-Jimal, Syria, and ascribed to the sixth century . The name of Muhammad's father was 'Abd-Allah ('Abdullah, the slave or worshipper of Allah). The esteem in which Allah was held by thepre-Islamic Makkans as the creator and supreme provider and the one to be invoked in time of special peril may be inferred from such koranic passages as 31 : 24, 31; 6 : 137, 109; to : 23. Evidently he was the tribal deity of the Quraysh. (History Of The Arabs, Philip K. Hitti, 1937, p 96-101)

When Mohammed proclaimed his creed: 'There is no God but Allah,' he was not trying to introduce a new God. His pagan countrymen knew and acknowledged this divinity. His name, Allah, occurs already in pre-Mohammedan times, both in inscriptions and in compound personal names like Abd Allah, 'servant of Allah.' The effective note in Mohammed's evangelistic preaching is that he is able to accuse the pagans of acknowledging Allah as the creator of heaven and earth, and yet failing to draw the only possible conclusion from their belief; which is, to worship Allah and none else besides Him. 'If thou ask them who hath created the Heavens and the Earth, and hath imposed laws upon the sun and the moon, they will certainly say, "Allah". . If thou ask them who sendeth rain from Heaven, and by it quickeneth the earth after it hath been dead, they will certainly answer "Allah"' (Sura 29, 6 1 and 63).

When in extreme danger, especially on the sea, the pagans call upon Allah (29, 65; 31, 31; 17, 69), but when they are on land again, and feel safe, they share His divine honour with other beings. Allah is supposed to have given certain commandments and taboos to men (Sura 6, 139 ff.), and the most sacred oaths are sworn in His name (Sura 3,r, 40; 16, 40). Thus, even though Allah was not worshipped as He deserved, the cult of Allah was not entirely neglected. A species of tithing, or offering of the first-fruits of grain and cattle, was offered to Allah as well as to the other gods (6, 137)

. But, above all, Allah was apparently regarded as ,the Lord of the Ka'ba,' the God to whom the cult of the highest sanctuary of Central Arabia was dedicated. In one of the oldest Suras (io6) Mohammed urges his tribesmen, the Quraish, to worship 'the Lord of this house, who allows the two annual trade caravans to be equipped, and who cares for them, and permits them to dwell in security. Concerning himself he says that he has received the commandment to worship 'the Lord of the house,' i.e. the Ka'ba. Apparently, then, the Prophet and his countrymen fully agree that the God who is worshipped through the ritual of the Ka'ba is Allah. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)


"The religion of the Arabs, as well as their political life, was on a thoroughly primitive level, In particular the Semites regarded trees, caves, springs, and large stones as being inhabited by spirits; like the Black Stone of Islam in a corner of the Ka’bah at Mecca, in Petra and other places in Arabia stones were venerated also, Every tribe worshipped its own god, but also recognized the power of other tribal gods in their own sphere, Three goddesses in particular had elevated themselves above the circle of the inferior demons. The goddess of fate, al-Manat, corresponding to the Tyche Soteira of the Greeks, though known in Mecca, was worshipped chiefly among the neighboring Bedouin tribes of the Hudhayl. Allat—"the Goddess," who is Taif was called ar-Rabbah, "the Lady," and whom Herodotus equates with Urania—corresponded to the great mother of the gods, Astarte of the northern Semites; al-‘Uzza, "the Mightiest," worshipped in the planet Venus, was merely a variant form, In addition to all these gods and goddesses the Arabs, like many other primitive peoples, believed in a God who was creator of the world, Allah, whom the Arabs did not, as has often been thought, owe to the Jews and Christians, The more the significance of the cult declined, the greater became the value of a general religious temper associated with Allah. Among the Meccans he was already coming to take the place of the old moon-god Hubal as the lord of the Ka’bah, Allah was actually the guardian of contracts, though at first these were still settled at a special ritual locality and so subordinate to the supervision of an idol. In particular he was regarded as the guardian of the alien guest, though consideration for him still lagged behind duty to one’s kinsmen." (History of the Islamic Peoples, Carl Brockelmann, p 8-10)


The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanuel, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the northern semites proper, which was the Sun. Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allâh, the Supreme Being. (Southern Arabia, Carleton S. Coon, Washington, D.C. Smithsonian, 1944, p.399)

", a people of Arabia, of the race of the Joktanites, the Alilai living near the Red Sea in a district where gold is found; their name, children of the moon, so called from the worship of the moon, or Alilat." (Gesenius Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures, translated by Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, 1979, p. 367)

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat (Three Early Christian-Muslim Debates, ed. by N. A. Newman, Hatfield, PA, IBRI, 1994, pp.357, 413, 426).

"The cult of a deity termed simply "the god" (al-ilah) was known throughout southern Syria and northern Arabia in the days before Islam—Muhammad’s father was named ‘Abd Allah ("Servant of Allah"--and was obviously of central importance in Mecca, where the building called the Ka’bah was indisputably his house. Indeed, the Muslims shahadah attests to precisely that point: the Quraysh, the paramount tribe of Mecca, were being called on by Muhammad to repudiate the very existence of all the other gods save this one. It seems equally certain that Allah was not merely a god in Mecca but was widely regarded as the "high god," the chief and head of the Meccan pantheon, whether this was the result, as has been argued, of a natural progression toward henotheism or of the growing influence of Jews and Christians in the Arabian Peninsula, Thus Allah was neither an unknown nor an unimportant deity to the Quraysh when Muhammad began preaching his worship at Mecca." (The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, ed. John L. Esposito, 1995, p 76-77)

[b]"That Islam was conceived in idolatry is shown by the fact that many rituals performed in the name of Allah were connected with the pagan worship that existed before Islam. , Before Islam Allah was reported to be know as: the supreme of a pantheon of gods; the name of a god whom the Arabs worshipped; the chief god of the pantheon; Ali-ilah; the god; the supreme; the all-powerful; all-knowing; and totally unknowable; the predeterminer of everyone’s life destiny; chief of the gods; the special deity of the Quraish; having three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus), Manah (Destiny), and Alat; having the idol temple at Mecca under his name (House of Allah).; the mate of Alat, the goddess of fate. . , Because of other Arabian history which points to heathen worship of the sun, moon, and the stars, as well as other gods, of which I believe Allah was in some way connected to. This then would prove to us that Allah is not the same as the true God of the Bible whom we worship, because God never changes." (Is Allah The Same God As The God Of The Bible?, M. J. Afshari, p 6, 8-9)[/b]

"In pre-Islamic days, called the Days of Ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity, At Mekka, Allah was the chief of the gods and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life. Hubal and more than 300 others made up the pantheon. The central shrine at Mekka was the Kaaba, a cube like stone structure which still stands though many times rebuilt. Imbedded in one corner is the black stone, probably a meteorite, the kissing of which is now an essential part of the pilgrimage." (Meet the Arab, John Van Ess, 1943, p. 29.)


"Muslims are notoriously loathe to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms" (Southern Arabia, Carleton S. Coon, Washington DC, Smithsonian, 1944, p 398)

"But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity, Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities, Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)
"Islam also owes the term "Allah" to the heathen Arabs. We have evidence that it entered into numerous personal names in Northern Arabia and among the Nabatians. It occurred among the Arabs of later times, in theophorous names and on its own." (Why I Am Not A Muslim, Ibn Warraq, 1995, p. 42)

"Arabia in Muhammad’s time was polytheistic in its conception of the cosmos and tribal in its social structure. Each tribe had its own god(s) and goddess(es), which were manifest in the forms of idols, stones, trees, or stars in the sky." (Islamic Studies, A History of Religions Approach, Richard C. Martin, 2nd Ed., p 96)

"Before Islam, the religions of the Arabic world involved the worship of many spirits, called jinn. Allah was but one of many gods worshiped in Mecca. But then Muhammad taught the worship of Allah as the only God, whom he identified as the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews." (A Short History of Philosophy, Robert C. Solomon, p. 130)

"Allah: Originally applied to the moon; he seems to be preceded by Ilmaqah, the moon god, Allat: the female counterpart to Allah." (A Dictionary of Non-Classical Mythology, Marian Edwardes, Lewis Spence, Allah, p. 7)

[b]There were hundreds of such deities in pagan Arabia; the Ka'bah alone at one time housed three hundred and sixty-seven of them. Of all those mentioned in the Qur'an, four appeared to be most popularly revered on the eve of Islam, al`-Uzzah (power), al-Lat (the goddess), and Manah (fate); all three female deities, popularly worshiped by the tribes of the Hijaz, were regarded as the daughters of Allah (the god) who headed the Arabian pantheon when Muhammad began to preach. Allah, the paramount deity of pagan Arabia, was the target of worship in varying degrees of intensity from the southernmost tip of Arabia to the Mediterranean. To the Babylonians he was "Il" (god); to the Canaanites, and later the Israelites, he was "El"., the South Arabians worshipped him as "Ilah," and the Bedouins as "al-Ilah" (the deity). With Muhammad he becomes Allah, God of the Worlds, of all believers, the one and only who admits of no associates or consorts in the worship of Him[/b]. Judaic and Christian concepts of God abetted the transformation of Allah from a pagan deity to the God of all monotheists. There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that "Allah" passed to the Muslims from Christians and Jews. (Islam, Beliefs And Observances, Caesar E. Farah, p2-7, 26-35)

Before the name [Allah] came into Islam, it had already long been part of the pre-Islamic system, and a considerably important part, too, the pagan concept of Allah, which is purely Arabian—the case in which we see the pre-Islamic Arabs themselves talking about "Allah" as they understand the word in their own peculiar way." (God and Man in The Koran, Toshihiko Izutsu, Chapter 4: Allah, p96-119, 1980)

Let us begin by remarking that the name itself of Allah is common to Jahiliyyah and Islam. When, in other words, the Koranic Revelation began to use this word, it was not introducing a new name of God, a name strange and alien to the ears of the contemporary Arabs. The first problem, then, that we must answer is: Was the Koranic concept of Allah a continuation of the pre-Islamic one, or did the former represent a complete break with the latter? Were there some essential-not accidental-ties between the two concepts signified by one and the same name? Or was it a simple matter of a common word used for two different objects? ." (God and Man in The Koran, Toshihiko Izutsu, Chapter 4: Allah, p96-119, 1980)

Abuzola:

Thank you. They deliberately insult islam, is obvious, calling the Prophet a demon, phedophile, murderer etc, is openly offensive

of course abuzola, he's a demon because he was once bewitched
he's a paedophile because he slept with 9yr old aisha
he's a murderer because he killed lots of people and also commanded muslims to do the same
so why is it offensive, what other name can you call a serpent

point of correction abuzola, he came to promise you 72virgins in hell

The earliest complete Koran manuscript in existence in museums today are hundreds of years after Muhammad died:

The Muslim false claim:

"In other words: two of the copies of the Qur’an which were originally prepared in the time of Caliph `Uthman, are still available to us today and their texts and arrangement can be compared, by anyone who cares to, with any other copy of the Qur’an, be it in print or handwriting, from any place or period of time. They will be found to be identical." (Von Denffer, Ulum al-Qur’an, p 64)

The truth:

Although Muslims proclaim they have a Koran that dates to the time of Muhammad, the Reality is different.

Two ancient copies of Koran that are in existence are the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul. What many Muslim's do not know, is that because these two manuscripts were written in a script style called "Kufic", practicing Muslim scholars generally date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died. Had these two manuscripts been compiled any earlier, they would have been written in either the Ma'il or Mashq script style. John Gilchrist, in his book, "Jam' Al-Qur'an" came to this same conclusion. (John Gilchrist, Jam' Al-Qur'an, Jesus to the Muslims, 1989)

Now we do have one ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma'il style of script, that is housed in the British Museum in London (Lings & Safadi 1976:17,20; Gilchrist 1989:16,144). But scholar Martin Lings, who was not only a practicing Muslim, but also a former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum, dates this manuscript at 790 AD, making it the earliest. On the other hand Yasir Qadhi notes one Islamic Masters/PhD scholar who believes the Samarqand MSS is the ‘most likely candidate for the original’.

It is unknown, even by Muslims that authorities will not release photographs of the ancient Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul and so there are no known studies on it. This is why the Muslim apologist, M. Saifullah had to state "Concerning the Topkapi manuscript we are not aware of studies done it." (Who's Afraid Of Textual Criticism?, M. S. M. Saifullah, 'Abd ar-Rahman Squires & Muhammad Ghoniem) What is in this manuscript that Muslims are afraid to let the world see? After all in Qur'an 2:111 it says "Produce your proof if you are truthful."

Even the earliest fragmentary manuscripts of the Koran are all dated no earlier than 100 years after Muhammad died.

Add to this the fact that there is no archeological evidence dated at the time when Muhammad was alive, by way of artifact, manuscript or inscription has ever been found were Muhammad is actually referred to as "a prophet".

If you don’t believe me, listen to faithful Muslim, Ahmad Von Denffer, in his book, Ulum al Quran, in a chapter called, Old Manuscripts Of The Qur'an, "Most of the early original Qur'an manuscripts, complete or in sizeable fragments, that are still available to us now, are not earlier than the second century after the Hijra. [or 800 AD] The earliest copy, which was exhibited in the British Museum during the 1976 World of Islam Festival, dated from the late second century.' However, there are also a number of odd fragments of Qur'anic papyri available, which date from the first century." (Grohmann, A.: Die Entstehung des Koran und die altesten Koran- Handschriften', in: Bustan, 1961, pp. 33-

There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums

[b]''But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to me in Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth'' Acts1:8,  [/b]

Jesus told the disciples this before the ascension, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth, the Spirit that teaches us, gives us boldness to preach the gospel
''Behold I send the promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high'' Luke 24:49

The disciples had boldness with Christ around,every follower would feel that way when his master's is around and even after the crucifixion peter showed that lack of boldness by denying Christ which is why the resurrected Christ told them to wait until power came from above.
Christ was the logos(word,reason,intellect) in the flesh that we could hear,see,touch with our physical senses, The Holy Spirit is the logos that dwells in us,the one your physical mind can't comprehend.,

And He teaches us everyday, when the logos(word) gets into you, rhema(word for the now) is what comes out, so its easy for you to apply this divine wisdom to changing situations in life,for example how would you know porn movies are immoral since there wasn't TV at the time the bible was written,its the Holy Spirit that teaches you that its immoral.

its easy for you to have the Holy Spirit, just acknowledge Christ as your personal lord and saviour,study the scriptures and ask for the Holy Spirit to dwell in your heart and then you'll begin to hear from Him.

its easy for you to know if its the devil or God that's talking to you,its what you put inside that'll determine what you hear, you can't be reading or watching immoral things and then suddenly hear from God, and anything that contradicts what is written in the scriptures is not from God, for example you well know Jesus says you should turn the other cheek and a voice says you should retaliate,easy that's the devil speaking

''For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness,righteousness, and truth''Ephesians 5:9

you all have been dodging the inheritance law contradiction, its the most glaring mathematical error ever!!!!.

Abuzola:

@sleek, you are super dunce, how many hours make a day ? Isn't it 24 hours, from friday to saturday 24 hrs make a day. What a dunce

you seem not to understand simple English, i wasn't talking about 24 hours but i said on the third day(the first day inclusive), for instance today,tomorrow and the next, on the third day is different from ''in three days'' .

and why can't you people understand who a comforter is, ''somebody who helps to relieve other people's grief or anxieties'', Jesus came to relieve us of our grief,sadness with the gospel(good news), OF COURSE HE'S THE COMFORTER and the only difference is that the other comforter is going to live inside of us and not with us, Jesus lived with us but The Holy Spirit lives in us.

@olorunibe, they were known as disciples,apostles, brethren,followers and they were called christains because they did the same things Christ did

witches are also summoned at night

Explain to why it contains some scientific writings of a greek scientist Galen who lived 450 years before the quran and explain quran 18:86(the earth is spherical not flat) and yes the quranis from allah(the god) and not God.

on the third you fool, friday(1st day), saturday(2nd day),sunday(3rd day), you clearly have problems with english

Jesus said,i'll send you another comforter,of course he was the first one, why can't you just learn to know about the Holy Spirit and know that He isn't different from Jesus, Jesus was a teacher,the Holy Spirit does the same. and let me put it to you jews are the most cunny people i know especially those in the US ask them what happened to the world trade centre, planes or bombs

and he came back to life, but mo's grave is in arabia.

how come Jews prayed in synagogues and not mosques, and did Moses ever know the kaaba existed,or David or Solomon, stop all this lies.

@olabowale, , i said there were eye witnesses when the transfiguration happened and you always reply by writing stories.

HOW MANY PEOPLE SAW HIM FLY ON THAT HORSE, HOW MANY PEOPLE SAW HIM IN JERUSALEM, STOP ALL THIS FAIRY TALE LIES,are you educated at all, does it make sense to you,one man wakes up one day and says he received revelation that he saw alone, the Jews saw the sea part, the disciples saw the transfiguration, the disciples,his mother, mary magdalene saw the resurrected Jesus, and one man ,one man says he saw an angel in the cave and no one else saw it, how am i supposed to believe he didn't see a demon.

@olabowale, you're wrong about something, the jews (judaism) don't even acknowledge Jesus as someone sent by God (whether God or prophet or son of God), some say he's just a teacher(rabbi), while some say he isn't, jews asked for Christ to be crucified, even today ask any practising jew he'll tell you exactly that, the torah is what a jew believes in, they killed Jesus because he called himself the messiah (of which he actually is), if a rabbi mentions the name Jesus its followed by(may his bones grind to dust), so tell me where is the original injeel and don't tell me its that crazy gospel of barnabas as its just plain concoction, so where is the bible allah claimed to have been corrupted .

funny, i know some people witnessed the transfiguration of christ but mo sef the guy has wild imaginations ooo, and i heard he took a flying horse.

allah=al-illah = the god, allat,al-uzza, al-manat are his daughters and his original name is hubal (moon god),that explains the crescent moon you have in mosques and even one of the freemasons symbols,the fez cap has the crescent moon with an arabian sword on it, open your eyes.