₦airaland Forum

ClearFlair:
They have started. You know more than the person who did the thing? Funny people everywhere

You are too young to know why he was called the Maradona of Nigerian politics. But you should be smart enough to at least understand that there was a reason for it! IBB has always been a terribly deceptive, self serving man. You are the funny one for buying his lines.

happney65:
A friend who is currently reading the book told me he is on page 64 where Babaginda said things about the coup and that the coup isnt an igbo coup as widely believed.

I was surprised this is coming from Babaginda. But I am not surprised about the facts because I know the facts.

I have read first hand facts about the coup by one of the major plotters Adewale Ademoyega in "Why we struck". He said "At no time in our meetings.did we.decide to single out any ethnic group,we were honourable and all we did was for love of country"

Nzeogwu
Adewale Ademoyega
Emmanuel Ifeajuna

Those 3 were the ring leaders who later brought in others to join the revolution.

But we are in an era of people not wanting to believe the truth or the facts but only wanting to believe whatever they choose to believe

To them 2 plus 2 is 22 and not 4. So with people like that who live in a world of alternative facts and realities,It is a very unfortunte scenario.

What IBB says is what I have always said. Nzeogwu was a nationaist. Ademoyega was a nationalist. They believed they were doing the right thing, but the coup was hijacked.

Ifeajuna undoubtedly had other ideas, and working with others, the ostensibly nationalistic objectives were subverted. The failure of the coup was by design.

nairalanda1:
Well, you must be ignorant then.

And yes calling you that is not abusive. You said it.

Grow up

I am not sure what logic you feel you're applying here, but note that I don't really mind whatever you call me. I've passed my message and you would be wise to adopt it. That's all.

Orch1981:
Ibrahim Babangida (IBB) Clears “Igbo Coup” In His New Book
* The 1966 Coup Was Never An Igbo Coup
*Exonerates The Igbos

He Wrote: “For instance, the head of the plotters, Major Kaduna Nzeogwu, was only Igbo in name. Born and raised in Kaduna, his immigrant parents were from Okpanam in today's Delta state, which, in 1966, was in the old mid-western region. Nzeogwu spoke fluent Hausa and was as 'Hausa' as any! He and his original team probably. thought, even if naively, that they could turn things around for the better in the country.

“That said, it was heinously callous for Nzeogwu to have murdered Sir Ahmadu Bello and his wife, Hafsatu, because not only were they eminently adored by many but also because they were said not to have put up a fight. From that moment, the putsch was infiltrated by 'outsiders' to its supposed original intention, and it took on an unmistakably ethnic colouration, compounded by the fact that there were no related coup activities in the Eastern region.

“It should, however, be borne in mind that some senior officers of Igbo extraction were also victims of the January coup. For instance, my erstwhile Commander at the Reconnaissance Squadron in Kaduna, Lt-Col. Arthur Chinyelu Unegbe, was brutally gunned down by his own 'brother, Major Chris Anuforo, in the presence of his pregnant wife, at his 7 Point Road residence in Apapa, for merely being a threat to the revolution As a disciplined and strict officer who, as the Quartermaster-General of the Army, was also in charge of ammunition, weapons, equipment, vehicles, and other vital items for the Army, the coup plotters feared that he might not cooperate with them.

“It should also be remembered that some non-Igbo officers, like Major Adewale Ademoyega, Captain Ganiyu Adeleke, Lts Pola Oyewole, and Olafimihan, took part in the failed coup. Another officer of Igbo extraction, Major John Obienu, crushed the coup. Those who argue that the original intention of the coup plotters was anything but et

What you have just posted shows the exact opposite to your lead statement:

“That said, it was heinously callous for Nzeogwu to have murdered Sir Ahmadu Bello and his wife, Hafsatu, because not only were they eminently adored by many but also because they were said not to have put up a fight. From that moment, the putsch was infiltrated by 'outsiders' to its supposed original intention, and it took on an unmistakably ethnic colouration, compounded by the fact that there were no related coup activities in the Eastern region.

What IBB said here, in fact, means that the coup may not have sincerely started out as an Igbo coup, but it became one. Stop the lies.

Ojuntana:
There has never been an ethnic coup in Nigeria

Nigeria's military was too colonised to play along tribal lines in those days

Note this:
Aguiyi Ironsi became the first military head after the Igbo coup which killed two northern Muslims

He was killed in July in a counter coup and the man who emerged after him was a northern Christian who went on to become the longest serving military head of state we had.

He was removed and his replacement was a northern Muslim who barely lasted six months before he was also killed in a countercoup and the beneficiary was a southern Christian.

If you look at the trends of the aftermath of each coup, you'll notice the ultimate beneficiaries are not usually from the ethnic stock of those who carried out the coup

What are you saying? You start by saying there has not been any ethnic coup - then immediately talk about Ironsi, who was clearly of the same ethnicity as the majority of the plotters. That is baffling.

Next, you spend the body of your post citing examples of transitions of power between different religions. Ethnicity is not the same as religion. This is equally baffling, as it suggests that you were unable to find any examples to truly reflect your point. Which should suggest that you have an idea that your point is wrong.

Then, a key pillar of your premise is that in Nigeria, the beneficiaries of coups have been separated from their perpetrators. This is only true of the 1966 January and July coups. In subsequent coups, the beneficiaries were the lead perpetrators, being Buhari, Babangida, and Abacha.

You finally ended with what must be seen as an own goal. Since Ironsi was of the same ethnic stock as those who carried out the first coup, and other coups then, according to your (wrong) assertion, did not have beneficiaries of the same ethnic stock as the perpetrators, does this not then reinforce the Igbo coup narrative?

I don't understand what point you're making here.

nairalanda1:
Always best not to be abusive.

Grow up.

I've not abused you. I have merely presented the truth without sugarcoating it. You may feel insulted, but that's not necessarily bad.

nairalanda1:
The idea behind such hefty funds is basically to discourage members of the public from joining the criminal class.

Yes, let the criminal steal to fund it. More trouble for him or her. And anyway, there is the idea of sureties

Always best to desist from ignorant speech.

The goal of the justice system is primarily to deter crime, not create conditions that make it inevitable. Every additional prisoner is a strain on the budget of the nation, which should better be applied to development. Every citizen incarcerated for petty offenses is a loss to the society.

Even if you have no morality, you can have common sense.

Dshocker:
So what makes you feel or think he is lying, especially at this old age?

Besides, some of those officers are still alive today, don't you think some would counter his statement if they were lies.

Which officers? Nearly everyone he has accused is dead and unable to defend themselves. Such a despicable fellow.

Interestingly, though he claimed to have had incontrovertible evidence, he shared none, and none has ever been shared over the years. The sole piece of evidence against Vatsa has always been the fact that he gave 50,000 Naira to Bitiyong.

happney65:
Where you wan come put Lagos and Abuja?

The only expensive thing in these places is house rent, and you can't compare Lagos to Abuja. Abuja rent must be the most expensive in Nigeria.

So many idiots all around.

My advice is that you should give her all your money asap because foolish people shouldn't have any money at all.










But then is one of Seun's fake engagement seeking topics isn't it? Rubbish.

Wizzy13:
We broke up after having multiple quarrels.
We have dated for 3years and she became a part of me. We went our separate ways for close to a month now.
I started healing but these says she has been appearing to Me like every day and it hurts when ever i set my eyes on her.
She has moved on so quickly and she's dating now.
This is really hurting.
Now wishing i neva knew her
pls don't Say am simping its only who had loved for that long will understand.

After 3 years, you should have just gotten married. Haba - that's a significant investment in time and energy and if you could make it work for 3 years you could have made it work for 30 years. Don't be fooled by the fact that she has moved on - it's much easier for women to enter a relationship because they always have suitors.

What she is doing is rebounding into another relationship to cope with leaving you. You, too, just want her back because she is with someone else.

Anyway, there is no advice that will work here other than be patient. Time will heal you.

MissW:
Where is the rubbish? I just wasted my time replying a slow.poke

The rubbish is that you have nothing to offer. Screaming misogyny all over the thread, but can't explain how the misogyny occurred or why you are so insistent on it - that makes you an attention-seeking foo.l to be ignored.

Ta ta!

The most important part of this article is meant to be what exactly they did...but no mention of it. So tedious.

MissW:
I picked the misogyny word from the write up. If you want to know the acts that brought about the word in the lawsuit, you will need to contact the lady that filed it.

Lol. Rubbish.

MissW:
Are you expecting to see everything in a write up here? She also mentioned sex discrimination, victimisation, and unfair dismissal, why are you not asking how she was victimized or how she was dismissed?

Well, the article does mention a few facts which are enough for one to draw deductions but then yes I don't know too much nd that's why I am asking you.

I am asking you because you sound like you have all the facts already, which explains why you responded to that other poster in that way. You highlighted misogyny didn't you? Why are you then surprised I would ask about that?

Okay, tell us more about sex discrimination, victimization, and how she was unfairly dismissed.

MissW:
I feel sorry for even you. You didn't see this too "with accusations of sex discrimination, victimisation, and unfair dismissal"? You didn't see the word misogyny in the write up too?
It is in Nigeria people manage to cope with constant victimisation and hatred at work, not over there.

What particular act was done to her that qualifies as misogyny?

Kobicove:
Those people can file a lawsuit over the most frivolous thing?

I wonder how she is going to prove in court that a careless disparaging comment made to two other female employees during a retreat (Assuming it's even true) caused her to suffer financial loss

It's a rubbish lawsuit but that's not her argument.

She is arguing several different things and her argument as regarding financial loss is that she was unfairly dismissed, thus depriving her of her income.

Revealpanda:
It's in their blood.

*Anything Rape... Leave it for the descendants of oduduwa*

I just new some apes would be here to comment rubbish. Where did you read rape in that story? Sex discrimination means treating one differently based on their gender or sex. Ridiculous.

Assuming that girl falls into harm as she wanders around Lagos - will you not be the first person the police will pick? How will you explain yourself?


Such foolish youth.

OgaTheTop2:
Good initiative... That country will prosper in no time.


As for Nigeria....

So prisoners will farm the country into prosperity or what are you suggesting?

jaephoenix:
Some atheistic views align with Christian views. Example is do no wrong, love your neighbor, be charitable etc. I don't have to be a Christian before I do something right

Sounds like you presume to know all about Christian values then.

So you know that do no wrong, be charitable and so on are Christian values but you don't know that dressing modestly and holding each other accountable are also Christian values?

Justnation:
Illegal order, the fg has no right to issue such orders we are in democracy
We are not in a military government.

Was it an order or advice?

teacherbim:
Davido billionaire baba no dey ?

So Mike Adenuga is this still rich and couldn't give us good network from Globacom

Glo has the best network in Nigeria. I can promise you this. I have used both MTN and Glo in three different regions and Glo is 10 times more reliable.

The one thing I can take away from this thread is that the level of stupidity in this country is dangerously high.

MufasaLion:
Lol. I mocked the Nigerian military the other day they announced they killed him. I knew it was all lies as usual. Incapable military.

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The military has never said they killed him.

Such rubbish. Athletes are employees!

ricson11:
This was the moment a man caught his wife with another man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBw1FXo-aro?si=9gWCs9_e_hOO4Dv0

She didn't tell me she's married - man

Yet the woman clearly has on her wedding ring. With children in the same building! If you want to do evil at least be bold when caught.

Wallade:
When you said this to him:

"Is it not then obvious that you can't possibly understand the context of this discussion, which pertains to Christian values?"

Because he said he is an atheist and found nothing wrong with what Jerry Eze wore in comparison to David Oyedepo's outfit.

You despised his opinion because he is an atheist. You disparaged his opinion on the outfits because you believe he is not Christian so wouldn't appreciate the discus.

You are a Christian bigot. Your devotion to Christianity makes you look down on an atheist opinion.

So tell me who the dunce could be between you and I?

Ah yes, deflect, deny and just lie.

Disagreeing with an opinion does not amount to disparaging it you disingenuous nitwit. But then, clearly, I never commented on the substance of his opinion. If anything, I actually agreed with a statement he made - being "I don't see how this pertains to anything"

I then pointed out to him that he can't possibly see it because he doesn't share the lens through which those who see things in that way perceive the world.

I wouldn't have thought it was such a difficult point to grasp, but here we are.

So yes, unfortunately, you are quite a dunce.

jaephoenix:
Unfortunately many Christians still see my views as correct. It takes common sense (which isn't common, btw)

How is any of that relevant? Did I say your views are correct or incorrect?

The question I asked is, why do you expect to see things from a Christian perspective when you don't share the Christian perspective?

That's not common sense is it?

Wallade:
Merriam Webstar Dictionary:

Bigot - a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

So what is your point?

What a dunce.

1. a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions: Which religious opinion did I express(you called me a religious bigot)?

2. a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted: How would I have supposedly shown an obstinate or intolerant devotion to such opinion (assuming I expressed one)?

3. and prejudices: what prejudice did I show?

Do you know the meaning of these words?

Wallade:
Oh shut up! Address the point he raised and stop being a religious bigot

I have about 5 minutes for m.oron.s today. Congrats, you'll get two:

1. I am not interested in the topic and I'm not obliged to address anything other than what I choose.

2. Do yourself a favour and look up the meaning of bigotry.