Minemrys: Morning, guys... I want to start a DC debate here... Do you know Kryptonite isn't harmful to Superman but rather it's the yellow sun? Let's talk.
It is, but he can overcome kryptonite if he wants to, by going berserk, but still, Supes won't do that.
As regards the Snyder fans vs non Snyder fans toxicity debacle, I take back my words and suspend it for the meantime, I'm going to do a study to find out the actual origin or cause of the whole drama. I love arguing with facts, so I apologise for bringing it up.
As regards the issue of Snyder fans numbers in the larger DC fanbase, I'm not talking about it on the ground of individual director's fanbase rather on the ground of Snyder fanbase against the general non Snyder DC fanbase. On this ground, going with social media data, Snyder fans are a minority with a large margin against the general non Snyder DC fanbase.
But if we're to look at the fanbase of individual DC directors, Snyder takes the lead in terms of fans, according to the data on social media.
#Xavier #DCian
Yes, even if we all are DC fans, we still have our preferred directors or writers that make us to fall in love more with DC. On that note, Snyder takes the major share. Funny thing is, actually, I wasn't even a Snyder fan before DCEU, but when I watched MoS (June 15th, 2013 at Genesis cinema. A date I can't forget)....mehnn....I was blown out by what he actual did, and cause I had never seen anything close to that when replicating a comic book page into an actual movie!
I don't like involving myself with all the whole Snyder drama. I'm a lover of good films irrespective of Director. I don't do Director's bias but when it comes to the DC fan base, Snyder fans are a minority. I'm speaking from evidence I've gotten from lots of social media groups I've come across and that I'm a part of. The non Snyder fans are the majority but to be candid, Snyder fans are way more than the Nolan fans.
As for Snyder's DC films, bro, Snyder's fans are not the only one supporting his films, most DC fans are. DC fans are lovers of good movies irrespective of directors and the funny thing is, majority of this DC fans supporting Snyder's DC films bash or troll Snyder fans which was the fault of Snyder fans anyway for starting the whole toxicity. For example, I personally supported MoS when people were bashing it, does that mean I'm a Snyder fan? No, I'm just a lover of good films irrespective of directors and MoS is one if the greatest CBMs ever.
Snyder's fans, due to evidences from socal media groups, were not the only one supporting ZSJL for Oscars, majority of DC fans if not all across these social media platforms were pushing for it's Oscar's nomination and when it was announced that ZSJL couldn't make Oscars because it was a remake of 2017 JL, come and see the way majority of DC fans were mad, this were the same people (DC majority fanbase) that bashes and trolls Snyder fans.
Majority or all DC fans supported ZSJL for Oscars because, one, it was a good movie and it was Oscar worthy. Two, they wanted DC representation and ZSJL was the movie that could stand a chance against competitors.
Personally I supported ZSJL for Oscars and I'm extremely mad that it was disqualified. Does that make me a Snyder fan? No, I'm just a DC fan that loves good films especially good DC films irrespective of director.
So dear, Snyder fans were not the only ones supporting ZSJL for Oscars, majority of DC fans if not all did. I can't say the same for Army Of The Dead.
Not everyone that uses the #RestoreTheSnyderVerse on socal media platforms, is a Snyder fan, lots of them are non Snyder fans that just wants the universe to continue because they love it's concept. This are the same people that will use the #RestoreTheSnyderVerse this moment and the next moment they're trolling Snyder fans. Bro, this are things I see with my two eyes. I'm not making things up here.
ZSJL wasn't successful because of Snyder fans, all DC fans supported that, majority of whom are non Snyder fans, according to social media evidence. Majority of DC fans if not all on this thread supported ZSJL and even called for the restoration of The Snyder Verse because one, ZSJL was good and two, they love the Snyder Verse concept. TheKingIsHere or BlackManta (either of them) that wrote a plea to WB to restore the Snyder Verse, are they Snyder fans? Funny thing even Minemrys has claimed that he isn't a Snyder fan but he supported Zack Snyder, ZSJL and the Snyder Verse.
So bro, don't you think that Snyder fans are the one giving ZSJL the momentum it has rather it's DC fans as a whole or majority of DC fans of which, according to social media evidence, Snyder fans are a minority.
According to social media, the Snyder fanbase is massive probably running into millions but when compared to the non Snyder fanbase, they're a minority.
#Xavier #DCian
Even if I tried to agree with all your points, but this one, I won't. I keep hearing Snyders' fans started the toxic thing, but no one will rather talked about the actually origin of why most snyder fans started going rampage. He is the most abuse director out there, either from he's employers or the fans/audience. Despite how great MoS was everything about it was still nitpicked to the core by both DC and MCU fans without trying to give the man a chance (since it was just the first movie of many to come). They still went ahead to use his daughter death to mock him and you still believed his fans started it. When I asked about the larger DC community, what I'm asking is: which director, movie or even series makes up the larger share of the DC Community. They are all DC fans, but I think in terms followers, Snyder have more than any other director or writer out there. Just like myself, initially, I tried as possible to praise and support anything from DCEU/DC movies, but when I saw how many/other DC fans outrightly blasting Snyder's DCEU movie(s) just for it being different from the implanted ideas most critics have brainwashed them to believe cbm is suppose to look like.
Skseries: same John campea who's fav super hero movie of all time is man of steel? Same guy who loves the Snyder movies that most ppl didn't? I don't he ever pushed for DCEU to be my MCU, I follow him.
Yes, he loved and said MoS is his best cbm, but outside MoS which other early dceu movie did he praise without bringing mcu into it. Bro, use the internet you will read/see more of his stands against the dceu initial take. He's one of those who spearheaded the words: cbm movies need to be lighthearted, fun, and have hearts. He, Grace, Jon Schnepp, and a few others really help MCU to destroy DCEU iswear...
I remember how she interviewed Zack and was forming closeness to zack and the gullible thought she was on their side. Lol
She used them to boost her followers from about 70k to almost 120k.
When she gave them the bitter pill some weeks back, they couldn't believe it
She didn't use any Snyder fans except the gullible WB fans that she was able to deceive that MCU's way is the only way cbm can be successful... There are many social media influencers out there that said the same thing about restoring the Snyderverse so those who really know the kinda shitty things she has been saying about Snyder's movies know better. She didn't! Even on this her video on The Batman she's still making reference to colour, duration and few other stuffs that might have hindered its numbers as against MCU, and these are exactly the tools she will use to turn Matt Reeves fans against WB fans if The Batman's box office numbers didn't get to a particular number..
That's why when she was still baiting some of them that was believing her bullcrap that Discovery is making some changes just dey vex me. I guess she gave them what they wanted to hear.
Oga, she never used any of Snyder fans. Those who truly followed Snyder from MoS knew her well that she never cares about DCEU talkless of Snyder's movies. She and the likes of John Campea are the ones pushing DCEU to be like MCU from the start so Snyder fans know her too well...
Watch how Grace Randolph deliberately left out the fact that Spiderman Homecoming-a reboot, didn't do a billion either.
Then claims The Batman-another reboot should have done a billion because NWH did this and that in a pandemic
Na negativity full that video
This has been the norm right from MoS but it was unfortunate that even DC execs and many DC fans jumped on their bandwagon to badmouth DC movies. Just because IM3 did a billion everybody (except very few of us who thought otherwise) saw MoS as a failure for not doing the same, without even taking into consideration that that movie was "part 3" of an already established universe banking on the great success from the first Avengers movie. It's a pity that we allowed the media to deceive us.
It has already been stated that both are in different worlds. What I am trying to say it, rather than create a different universe for Snyder works and actors, they want to see how they can continue the story to reach an ending with same actors but a different story. In essence, they may want to see if they can bring the actors back to progress the narrative. Atleast that is what I am interpreting cause the way it is, we can still have Cavill and Affleck and Fisher back in this continuity. Just a few changes to the story instead of recasting or discarding Superman for Supergirl. Both can coexist (in Russell Crowe's voice)
I got your point. I was only just emphasizing my own view that due to the current trend of multi-verse things being in vogue Discovery shouldn't just make a cross-over soon, but wait and build the hype so when it eventually happens, people will flock in huge numbers to see it multiple times even when the story is not ground-breaking.
Another side to this story I am hearing, from YouTube is that Zaslav doesn't quite like what the current bosses are doing or the direction taken, and he is trying to bring the Dceu together in that he wants to re-integrate the former guys into the narrative. Not necessarily bring back the Snyder vision but create a continuity and unite the fanbase. In essence, there maybe reshoots that sees Cavill returning in black Adam, the story might change for Ben Affleck in the flash. Notice that the films shifted have some sort of connection or creates a kind of continuity with the old films. I mean, why would the flash that just finished filming take a year and 6 months for Vfx, same with Aquaman and black Adam, only for Shazam to be pulled forward, and I believe it finished filming after black Adam right or something. I think we might be seeing a change in narrative that brings Cyborg back. But in all, I see it having more to do with Discovery and Zaslav trying to ditch Killian and the old woman and Hamada visions. And the merger happens in April. I might be wrong Sha.
All DC fans are seriously waiting to see what this merger will definitely bring to the DC movie Universe. For the sake of multi-verse, I will love if they allow all the (already created) universes to exist parallel for now, and when the interest from the audience is at the rooftop...collide all into one. Seeing Batfleck and maybe Batison sharing one Gotham City so early won't resonate or give me that special nostalgic vibes/feeling like when they have been fully established in their separate worlds. I guess today suppose to be the date for their shareholder meeting...
This is what I called a CBM! This Mat Reeves' The Batman is one top-notch movie... This is just what some of us have been clamoring for, just give us something ground-breaking in a different way from the norms we usually get ever since Mcu becomes the order of the day.
TonySpike: Someone said in the comments that Snyder's fans are in the minority. The data says otherwise, ZSJL did the heavy lifting for HBO Max last year. And now, Army of Dead, may well be on the way to earn a fan favourite Oscars this year.
This is the streaming data WB was scared of releasing all the while.
Hail Snydra!!!
It's a known fact but WB just don't want to accept the truth nor take that route anymore. Something that crashed streaming platforms in some part of the globe....
If you read my article very well you will notice that I was talking about gross profit which is revenue minus cost and not net profit, net profit is due to the behind the scenes expenditures which will never know, so you can't predict it. But the thing is this with an $800M BO gross, Batman's net profit will still be good one, that's it.
Net profit deals with the money remaining after all expenditure is out, it doesn't go with the revenue minus cost model rather revenue minus all expenditures, tax and percentages. So with an $800M BO gross, The Batman will be making a net profit of $50M to $300M, it's gonna fall within that range, which is still good.
#Xavier #DCian
We all know what net profit is. You were making point of it's profit being $300m and that's why I contributed. For the record $50m profit is a disappointing one. We just need to accept the fact... I really want this movie to succeed cause of its realistic, dark and gritty take, and also never lean towards the fun and lighthearted thing we see everyday.
You dey mind am. Person wey I don dey follow dey read him articles since 2019 na im I no Sabi how he thinks or behaves based on his writing.
Go see as many people dey respond to am for that him Forbes The Batman review. Na person wey never see him past articles side by side go think say people just wan dey accuse am unnecessarily.
There are two writers that mostly cover or give reviews for cbm for Forbes. Watch out for Mark Hughes' review too. Scot is more of MCU while Mark is the opposite.
Bro, I don't even understand how you guys do your own analysis, and from the looks of things it seems you don't even understand how the industry works as regards financial analysis of Box office.
Batman has a budget of $200M, let's assume the marketing budget is $300M, that will bring the total to $500M, which means the Break Even Point (BEP) is $500M. The BEP is the amount a movie has to gross before it can be considered a profit or before it can be said to be out of the danger zone, at that point the movie is neutral, it's neither profitable except it goes beyond it or a loss except it gross beneath it. The BEP is always the budget amount which in this case is the sum of the marketing and production budget.
So if the BEP of The Batman is $500M (by assumption of a $300M marketing budget which will be the highest), a $800M BO gross will mean $300M gross profit, how's that a FAILURE?
But since we don't know the Marketing budget, the standard model to calculate the BEP is to go with the 3X multiplier of the production budget which will be $600M, a $800M BO gross will mean $200M gross profit. So how is that a FAILURE?
Note, I'm not talking about net profit, rather gross profit because for net profit, a lot of behind the scenes expenditures are going on which we will never know about, so we have to wait for the studio to tell us.
So which makes me ponder on how The Batman with an $800M gross is actually going to be a failure?
Now look at this, The Batman with such gross won't be a disappointment, not one bit, because
1.) The movie is a standalone film on it's own, it's not part of the DCEU where you will say it's a big movie of the franchise. It's just a movie on it's own so the whole "must gross a billion shit" doesn't affect it neither does it have it on it's shoulders.
2.) $800M gross in standard Hollywood rating is a high grosser, as a matter of fact, in Hollywood, from $700M upward is regarded as a high grosser in standard Hollywood rating. So any movie that grosses that level is seen as a high grosser, so yes The Batman with a $800M BO gross is a high grosser, even with a $700M gross, it's still a high grosser
3.) The movie is the first movie in a trilogy, it's not even the climax but just the launcher of the trilogy. So why will it or should it shoulder such responsibility of being a billion dollar grosser to be termed a success. Nobody in his right senses will even heap such responsibility on the movie except the person just want to be unnecessarily bias. Right now, the expectation especially from the studio is for the movie to be a high grosser (from $700M and above) and to be profitable.
So there's no way an $800M dollar The Batman will be termed a failure, if you think otherwise, then it's just in your head. The standard Hollywood analysis says otherwise. It's just something you sat in your house and conceived, it doesn't exist which means your statement is purely based on emotions not the FACTS.
#Xavier #DCian
Your analysis would have been spot-on if you had taken cinema houses into your points. Making $800m from $500m doesn't translate to $300m, cause, those filmhouse you see, especially the foreign markets will likely take away more than half of that profit if the movie gross or success mostly comes from its international market... Film House (cinemas), for the first and likely second week tickets sales mostly go to the studio (WB) while from subsequent weeks a sharing pattern (ratio) is introduced and gradually that pattern will end up favouring the film house. That's why in some cases movies with heavy front-loaded favours the studios more...
Come to think of it, since when Cavill Joined the Witcher na only Sherlock Holmes from Netflix I don see am in. Anybody remember other films he's been in asides Netflix?
Although I think maybe the face thing is cos Netflix got a brand they need to sell — The Witcher. Another iconic role Cavill is known for is as Superman. So prolly have those two side to side makes for some conflict of interest.
He's been pushing Black Adam for well over a decade, so he was always going to get the part. It's an unfortunate situation, but we can only hope that he will do his best.
But why should he? He is one of Hollywood's highest-paid actors, thanks to being a one trick pony.
Then he should leave some roles alone for those who are diverse when they come knocking. There are roles you don't bring your one-way cocky style of acting into.....you need to be the character and not the character be you, which Black Adam is also inclusive of.
Am starting to think he purposely wants to be a bad actor cause he keeps getting work and has less time to research his character.
You are definitely not far from the truth, brother. That guy is one bad actor. For me, I don't think I will find the Black Adam's movie really interesting if he ends up with that American accent no matter how good the story is. The purpose has already been defeated by just that singular act.
Not everyone. Those who are familiar with the character won't find it funny. That's the problem of The Rock, he never wants to go out of his comfort zone.......
Everything looks so good and promising, but I don't recall when Black Adam start speaking with American accent... I hope it doesn't speak that way when we finally watch it.
NHW is simply a fan service masterpiece that brazenly exploited our nostalgia by bringing our favorite characters to life. Suffice to say, it wouldn't make much of a difference if it was released in February, March, or June; it would still do similar numbers.
I think I disagree with the bolded. It won't do that numbers. Holidays are one major factor that really boosts cinemas tickets sales, brother.
There's a lot more to it than that. I won't get into specifics, but it entails conveying a deep and emotional personal story while weaving in multiversal Spider-Man characters, yet navigating through the mayhem to deliver a more than adequate end product.
Ye, but all your points were possible for the mainstream audience to really binge (in the context of multiple views) on it because of the luxury time/period it was released. I bet you No Way Home will not do the numbers it has done (now) if it was released in Feb or March.
Note: I had to take my younger ones to see it too because they were out of school during that period....
Abeg, make we dey calm down with all dis our shoot for the star guesstimation for The Batman. I think with what I have seen, I really want it to do perfect numbers at the end, but that shouldn't blindfold me to start making some hyperbolic predictions and when it doesn't measure up I'll start blaming covid-19 and the rest.... We should not forget that No Way Home was released at the perfect time - a time when "people just really want to catch fun", no matter the obstacles in front, why The Batman will not be having that luxury....
TV/Movies / Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by SMUAG(m): 9:17am On Mar 29, 2022 
