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FBS
Will check, thanks,

Where can I see this online?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=611266&sec=england&cc=3888

Manchester City have confirmed that Robinho is no longer at the club's training camp in Tenerife.

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Robinho has added to City's woes.

The Brazilian reportedly stormed out of the camp on Monday night after learning that the club would not be signing his international team-mate Kaka.

City's executive chairman Garry Cook told the BBC: "I do know Robinho is not at the training centre in Tenerife.

"If he has left the training ground it is a breach of club discipline. I am waiting for a full debrief."

It is believed the 24-year-old has grown sullen at Eastlands, as he has become frustrated with City's underperformance on the pitch, while his latest outburst threatens his own future at the club, with Chelsea monitoring the situation.

Robinho is believed to have flown back to Brazil to consider his situation at City, but the club have given no official reason for his departure.

The Blues smashed the British transfer record when they splashed out £32.5million on the 24-year-old in August last year and, on a personal level, Robinho has been a success, netting 12 goals for his new club - becoming an instant hit with the City faithful.

But the player has a history of problems off the pitch, with then-Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon claiming that ''his departure from Madrid [to City] wasn't just due to sporting reasons, there is something else, which I can't understand.''

Robinho has also hit out at City this season, criticising them for their "small-time mentality", which had many questioning his commitment to the club.

City's failure to establish themselves in the top half of the table under manager Mark Hughes is bound to be a further source of disappointment and it is believed a bust-up with the City boss is at the heart of the matter.

Ibime:
Just look at the happenings at Cobham, and you will know spending is frozen at Chelsea. Whether that means RA is struggling with liquidity problems, no one really knows. . . . but it is  a strong possibility.

I agree it is a possibility and I stated so. I was shocked at Nateevs reply really.

I just went through our squad list and noticed a few names that would have reduce OPEX at the end of the season.

Didier Drogba
Michael Ballack
Florent Malouda
Paulo Ferreira
Deco
Salomon Kalou
Carlo Cudicini
Mineiro - I think he's on loan?
Alex - He wants to leave
Juliano Belletti
Nicolas Anelka
Michael Mancienne


We should promote Gaël Kakuta to the first team

nateevs:
@Somze

There is one thing to make one cut, but when several cuts are being made all under 3months you can help but ask what happened to the Roman that paid £32m for Robinho on the last day of the transfer window? T

I don't understand the above, please kindly explain.

nateevs:
You are the one that should provide evidence to back up your claim that our revenue forecast should support players wages. We made £74m loss last year and wages are at an astronomical high. We can't support the current wage structure without Roman.

Last year figures showed wages were about 133m while revenue was about 190.5m. Using those figures, theoretically we should support wages but realistically we need to make cuts. Players like Ballack, Deco, Anelka, Drogba, Malouda etc should leave at the end of the season we can go for youngsters and give them time to grow under a good manager.

It does not make business sense to sack Scolari also except he leaves with nothing.

LINK: http://www.footballeconomy.com/archive/archive_2008_feb_17.htm

Nateevs,
Neither you nor Ibime work with RA so how should I believe the assertions you put forward. At best they are likely possibilities.

You need to categorically show that RA lacks liquid funds "AKA hard cash" to support the club. I have failed to see such evidence. Moreover, our revenue forecast should, in theory, support players' wages which seem to be the bone of contention here.

We have bought no new players so no extra costs exist. Stadium costs and other miscellaneous may be something to look at though.

Bottom line is rumours about RA's dwindling finances and intent to sell off the club are unfounded.

Nateevs,
Do you or do you not agree that Scolari had a major role to play in Bridge's transfer? If he did then what point are you making?

I think my statements where made on well informed assertions. See Akola's link for details.

Ibime:
I did pay attention to one statement he made. He said if Drogba can show his technical level is increasing, then he has a chance for the future.

You have a way of quoting (or mis-quoting) everyone else to inaccurately explain your points.

Since no one else got the chance to see this would you mind displaying references?

Ibime:
This is the first time I have heard a coach talk about a 30 year old players technical level and it just confirms what I have thought all along - that Scolari doesn't think Drogba has the technical skill required to play his brand of football.

What kind of football? Spurs - Draw, ManU - Draw, Liverpool - lost, Arsenal - Lost. Was Drogba the cause of that? He wasn't even in the team.

Well done for objectivity. Now we can safely conclude that Drogba is an evil spirit with supernatural powers.

Ibime:
Scolari also said that the players have to forget about the last 5 games and go back to the style of play they had before that. I think Scolari believes that Drogba's return conflicted the players as to whether they should revert to Avram/JM style or carry on Scolari style, especially in light of the defeats to Liverpool and Arsenal. The return of Drogba just accentuated this conflict; coupled with everyone's call for a Plan B. In the end, we stopped playing even Plan A.

How you can string people's statement to support your ridiculous assertion is award wining. You deserve the Oscars.

Ibime:
Scolari harping on about "players whose minds are on other clubs should leave" is probably borne out of his belief that Drogba would hinder rather than help his style of play. He knows Drogba is a hero to many and doesn't wanna upset anyone, but at the same time he knows there is no viable future for his brand of football if Drogba stays. Hence he is giving him the option to make real on his various threats to leave.

Once again you engage in your gospel of distortion.

Scolari named a couple of players and referred to no one in particular but it seems you are a champion at mind reading. Well done.

Alex also wants to leave btw but your hatred for Drogba has so beclouded your "objectivity" that you see Drogba in every evil . . . probably even in your failed lottery tickets. Brigde was chased away by Scolari too but you wouldn't think out of the Drogba box will you?

nateevs:
I also do not want this moment to pass by. . . if we had JM as manager, it won't.

all 3 subs LPS made had an effect on the game. . . . DiSanto(1) returned a cross with a long header to the front post for  belletti (2) to score the equalizer. . . and then Stoch(3) provided a long cross into the box to find anelka that eventually led to the 2nd goal. . .

Have your moment LPS!!

This is so misleading!

How come I don't see Ibime coming to rant about objectivity now? We almost lost the game and you still found a reason to praise Scolari, talk about hero worship / delusional.

So how do you rate our performance then? Let me guess 110% all thanks to Anelka?

Na wa.

Enough Already!

On to football matters now shall we.

Ibime,

Stop your Drogba hating

Akolawole:
Unknown to the Twin-friend, Chelsea has 101 problems, DD is just one. Majority of the remaining is still uncorrected by our world class coach.

DD and JM are Ibime's problem (let's not forget his sidekick - Nat. . . )  

I think a thorough investigation should uncover some sort of scandal.  

The world class coach offers attractive, free flowing footie . . . around the midfield area . . . sometimes  

Everyone on NL knows it is unwise to argue about language semantics and structure with the Prof. 

It takes a smart youth to know when the food on the table is meant for the elders. 

Who is Times quoting? Which reporter was around when Lampard was talking to the team? Na wa o.

Meanwhile the talk does not in anyway refer to Drogba. Here is what he supposedly said about Drogba -

Didier is a good personality and will take it in the right way. Hopefully he will come back like before because when he is at his best he is one of the best, if not the best, striker in the world. You always want those sort of people around.

He may have been referring to Deco or Anelka. Who knows?

Daily mail?

Who said what? Who are they quoting? Abeggy . . .

Dude,

He started in 2 out of 3 games in my last post. In your "20 days ago" stats we've only played those matches in the EPL and he failed to score even if he started in 2 of them and had more than 60minutes to play in the last, so what are you saying? Face it, he was dropped when his form diminished.

Now what of these games he started in like . . . Roma, Liverpool, ManU (@ home), Arsenal, Newcastle, Spurs.

The guy cant stand tough teams.

Deborsky
Sharrap dia   

Ibime,
I really don't want to get into this argument so I wont show the stats below -

Chelsea 2 - 2 Fulham - Anelka comes on at the 30th minute but fails to score
Chelsea 2 -0 West Brom = Anelka starts but fails to score
Chelsea 0 - 0 Everton - Anelka starts but fails to score, hell he was terrible.

Until yesterday Anelka had not scored for about a month - Goal Drought.

Ibime,

I'm not going to say Anelka has not only failed to score in every big game but beca[i]me unavoidably absent[/i] in them.  

I'm not going to say Anelka was experiencing a drought before the so called "rude interruption" came along.  

I am not going to say you are undoubtedly the only one who saw Anelka do all those things in the game yesterday (well that's if Nateevs does not jump to your support)  

Just to avoid any arguments, I chose not to state any of the things outlined above.

Beating Southend is no big deal but it was a good reaction after a terrible terrible week.

We seem to be doing really bad at set pieces and that should be a worry for Scolari. We need to finish the season with our head up. I think we have the personalities to achieve that.

I think we should minimize if not eradicate the Drogba harassment. He will be needed.

Big ups to Anelka for scoring his 16th even in a game where he seemed unavoidably absent.

Akola,
As much as I do not want to get into another Drogba argument, you should know that the Gospel according to Nateevs and Ibime, Chelsea's problems are the fault of Drogba or Jm or both.

Ibime
Zola is in a class of his own. Those other players you named don't even come close.

It is possible mathematically but it depends on ManU and Pool to slip up.

Our five next matches seem like a walk in the park on paper except with Pool and Villa. The three first matches, I think, are at home and that is a worry knowing statistically, this season, we have performed better away than at home.

So this is all about some dude calling you names online? Welcome to Nairaland.

I've more at stake than that.

tkb
Thank you jare

FBS
I'm largely disappointed by your latest post. It exposes a shallow level of football knowledge.

I can not even start to explain how ManU in theory (and perhaps history) have the advantage. Our play has declined, we have only 1/12 points playing with the big teams, we had our full squad yesterday whipped butt naked, we've been dropping points against both moderate and mediocre teams etc. Our Season is over if things remain this way.

stop this heavy and biased criticism, can any of you do the job? haba, talking as if na them sabi football pass, laying theories upon theories,

This is a very myopic and shocking view coming from a fan.

Can Scolari do my job? If any of our 25 million subs fail to terminate calls as a result of my mistake I'd be in soup. Perhaps Scolari is one of our subscribers and has not been able to initiate calls for over a period of time, does he not have the right to question my competence. Can he do my job? He is getting paid to deliver and deliver he should do. So says my damn Chelsea Jerseys I've been buying with my hard earned money. So says all the fans who spend their money in buying season tickets, merchandise or engaging in online betting. This is no freaking charity so get that into your head or go play golf or something.

Eastbay,
RA wanted to see trophies from the first day he took over. This will obviously influence a manager's transfer request list.

We need to change our acquisition philosophy and I think Kenyon is working towards that. However fans need to be patient with the players.

tkb417
I can't agree more,

While Ibime and Nateevs choose to be bias about the issue, it is clear this issue is much more than Drogba. The issue stems from management errors from the very sack of JM, a man whom they disliked because of his tactics to their finance policies.

Our players were terrible yesterday and that is down to the tactics and LPS. LPS got it totally wrong . . . as usual.

Players like Deco, Ballack, Anelka, Drogba, kalou, Bosingwa among others should be offloaded at the end of the season. Of course LPS should leave way before then.

At the start of the campaign I criticized the buying of Deco and the appointment of Scolari . . . I think Nateevs and co can see sense in that now.

We were totally humiliated at OT. No excuses, Grant would have done better with the same team . . . actually he did.

another reason to sack scolari

ManU are the better team.

No more belief in our players. A lot of them need to leave at the end of the season.

For once i'm with ibime, drogba has been crap though anelka has failed to affect.

is there a law that says we cant take long shots?

sack scolari

What exactly are we tryimg to do? Win by possesion percentage?

dayo
Giggs attempted to cheat d ref.

that would have been a fowl against ManU not a corner replay.

Drogba should improve his game. Mikel's mistake caused that goal but i agree with ibime's comments.

Scolari has some work to do

Obviously you remain impervious to the fact that you will play the big fixtures all at home for the other part of the season thus aiding you at a time most important during the season.

You concentration on just this season also shows your bias.

Abeg free me jare . . . I don't do personal attacks no more