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McSquishi:
That makes no sense, actually.

So the new covenant has already taken place?? What year marked that?

So there was a new spirit? What does that consist of? Was there an issue with the old spirit?

You said the law as it was written was perfect because it came from God, so why was another needed?

The new convenant is a renewal of the old....when the messiah that God will annoint(not baptised) with a special oil. He will be a man like you and me..with a father and mother from the lineage of David through solomon his son. He will build the temple of God in jerusalem and resume the daily sacrifice to God. He will bring peace and teach men to follow the creator...

McSquishi:
since you don’t believe God can create a body for himself without using the sperm of his own creation, please inform me as to whose sperm and egg were used to make the first man and woman?


If you must know which prophet God told about what he was going to do before you believe it was done then To which prophet did he announce the birth of Adam? To which prophet did he announce the birth of Moses? The arrival of Joshua?? To which prophet did he announce he would test Job?

Also, any reference i point to in order to point out the predictions of the Messiah’s arrival you will say it’s out of context, disregarding the point I told you and Yahshua himself said he came not to destroy the law and prophets but to fulfill them. So when Matthew uses the Isaiah reference of a virgin having a child it is meant to be further confirmation of scripture being fulfilled... but if you won’t accept the 30-40+ fulfillment’s then it is a pointless exercise for you to ask which prophet predicted him.

Well maybe we evolved from other primates...lol

You really dont know what God is..do you?

GeneralDae:
Interesting! So how do you know the Torah is God's command and the New testament is not?

The Torah is divine..it has the name of God in it...the new testament has none..

GeneralDae:
what if I apply your logic to every religious book out there including seemingly awkward ones? Why don't you give the new testament thesame benefit of doubt or symbolical interpretation.

Thats as far as i can go...but when people start praying in jesus name...when we know it is all mythologies..? When clearly God commanded us "Do not have any other God before me".. He does not want any intermediary or mediator..so i dont see jesus as relevant to anything..he only makes people dusobey Gods commandments

McSquishi:
The reason you quoted “the letter kills, the spirit gives life” was to show me there is no need for them and it contradicts God’s commandments


No one is following anyone but Yahweh and the apostles do nothing but constantly point to doing just that? Have you read?

1 Corinthians 3:5-7

5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe--as the Lord has assigned to each his task.

6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow

7So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow


Are you aware even in the Old Testament that God chose men to lead and to deliver his message? so the apostles are doing nothing new by continuing to do that.

Those commandments you are referring to are now are now written in our hearts/minds, as Ezekiel 36:26 alludes to:

26...I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws

When God says he will put his spirit in us it means something other than life here because we all have the spirit of Yahweh that gives us breath and that was not enough to encourage the following of decrees and laws... it is referring to the Holy Spirit


That is the new covenant discussed in Jeremiah 31:31-34

...which I previously asked you if the old covenant was such a perfect law as you stated then why in the Old Testament did God say the day will come when he will make a new covenant with us unlike the one he made before?

The new convenant is the laws written in our hearts...nobody is going to read the torah to you. The new spirit will make it effortless to obey and keep...

There is no where that speak of God sending his "son" as a sacrifice for sins...

budaatum:
The entire book, both the Torah and the New Testament, is full of such absurdities. My favorite is a God telling Adam that on the the day they seek knowledge they will surely die, as if God is a member of boko haram. Pity most people seem to believe that stuff, without wondering why their stupidity kills them. And thank God that Eve never believed Adam.

The authors never said they where writting actual events or historical events...so i dont see the torah as historical. Because i know it was written by Ezra. (It was him who created judaism)as the national religion of the jews and he drew a lot from babylonian epics..

McSquishi:
You seem to be applying a much more carnal application to the story than intended. Yahshua the messiah was placed in her womb but it’s not like the creator had sex with her or defiled her. Using a virgin as a surrogate is not an abomination and even Joseph once learning she was still a virgin didn’t see her as defiled.

To me it seems you are having an issue with understanding the motives and purpose of God. Just as the other poster pointed out how making a law for a woman to sleep with her brother-in-law and cutting off a woman’s hand seems at odds with the righteousness and justice our creator is known for, so too can things like what concerns you be perplexing.

You not agreeing with the actions of the creator is not proof the actions never occurred.

Which prophet did God tell that he was going to do this...
Amos3:7 says "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet".. I have told you that isaiah 7:14 was talking about isaiah's wife the proohetess and the son was isaiah's son....the sign was an assurance for king Ahaz...

And to what end?..



So you believe a woman can become pregnant without a mans sperm..

McSquishi:
Ok, so why are you quoting from those unknown authors to help make your arguments but castigating me for “following” them?

I am showing you that there was never any need for them, because they contradict Gods commandments...

God never asked you to follow another person, but just obey his commandments..

budaatum:
Funny how you seem to be selective.

Is the whole concept of a God creating humans by breathing into mud not worth questioning?

Why impregnante another mans wife? After commanding man "thou shall not commit adultery"...

And saying i will not profane my laws...

GeneralDae:
So what is this important message in a woman's hand being cut off for shagging a man's thing?

You have to understand the sybolism and numerology and iconography of the jews. ..a woman is a symbol of wisdom...the type of woman tells you the kind of wisdom..LovePeddler means a common wisdom or knowledge. .a virgin means divine wisdom. ..a man's penis is both for reproduction and pleasure....

So read the whole story and figure it out yourself..

Earth was created as a mirror of heaven...as above so below.

Google "the ouroborous".. Its a snake or dragon eating his own tail..

McSquishi:
Which unknown authors are you referring to?

You’re the one who quoted 2 Corinthians, not me. I just pointed out the hypocrisy of doing so when you are simultaneously calling the entire New Testament in question.

Nobody knows who wrote the gospels...it was the catholic church that added those headings before they could publish them.

budaatum:
Glad to see you were taught well by your rabbi in London.

Nah, you where eating grass and folders so i called you a maalu....

McSquishi:
Which unknown authors are you referring to?

You’re the one who quoted 2 Corinthians, not me. I just pointed out the hypocrisy of doing so when you are simultaneously calling the entire New Testament in question.

The whole concept of God impregnating another mans wife...is what i am calling to question...

It is insulting to say the least...

There are good stories in the new testament that i like, like the parable of the good samarithan..

But you acknowledging that God impregnated another mans wife to sire a son is just plain stupiid.
It is the romans and greeks that have such idea as part of their religion, not the jews..

budaatum:
But there is need for a rabbi in London?

Maalu.....

McSquishi:
You told me not to quote without context and now you’ve quoted without context. Once I gave you context you disregarded it and interpreted the quote for yourself.

That scripture does not refer to not taking the law literally, it is saying living under the law places a veil over hearts and minds. And those laws in Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Leviticus are literal. If you follow them you must follow them exactly. It is deadly not to do so. It is not an interpretive document.

It is not hard to follow...if you actually follow them you will know that worshipping a man as God is tantamount to idolatry and prohibitted by God.

Which do you think is hard?

budaatum:
You can insult me if that makes you feel good. I simply disagree with you that I need a rabbi to tell me what I can easily read in a book.

Happy reading...

All i have been saying is that there was never any need for jesus or the new testament. God created man in his image and likeness , man is God(spirit) dwelling within a physical body made of dust. God is existence itself. God is the totality of the conciouseness of the universe. When we die our conciouseness or spirit returns to the universe and becomes part of it.(one with God). Life is a choice and 100% our responsibility. There is no jew coming from the sky to save or rapture us..

All we need is to obey laws and live in peace within ourselves and our neigbours...a peaceful nigeria and the world is possible if we obey Gods commandments...and God will prosper us.

We have to desist from worshipping a man as God it is idolatry..and one of the sins that God hates most...

Peace to all men.

budaatum:
I hope you are aware that the Torah exists in English and that numerous Rabbis have provided English commentaries. A wise person would read widely instead of having their brain washed by any particular one, and only an ignorant fool would claim their own particular understanding is the only correct one, considering.

Dummy...i never claimed mine is the only correct one..just that the Torah belongs to them and they are the only people that can interprete it..not the romans or greeks. And definately not a Nigerian..

In one of my post, i did say my landlord was a jewish rabbi while i was in london...

So...

McSquishi:
They were not referring to the story of Onan but to a law in Deuteronomy that required a widow to marry her brother-in-law. Deuteronomy 25:5-10

And the one of cutting a hand if a woman is trying to break up a fight and touches a man’s privates is in Deuteronomy 25:11-12

It’s strange that you quote the New Testament yet don’t believe in the Messiah the New Testament speaks about.

“The letter kills, the spirit gives life”. the letter that kills being the law you called “perfect” and the spirit referred to here is the Holy Spirit of the Messiah (who you believe is fake) who lifts the veil over our hearts that is put there by following the law...

You dont care about Gods laws, you keep what some unknown authors said above the laws of the creator and you want me to obliige you...

Anything that comes from God is perfect..So his laws are perfect..

Dtruthspeaker:
This is Obviously A New Issue Departing from the Topic of this Thread!

But to put in a Quick One "death" is
1) Whatever A Creator of it calls it
2) Whatever The Creator of it Has created it to Accomplish
3) Whatever that has been created to Harm a creation which a creation is powerless to prevent!
4) Whatever that has been created to De-create or Uncreate a creation bringing about a termination and a discontinuation of the usual and normal living conditions which a creation is accustomed to living.



I have settled this before and it ended up in you insulting me when you could no longer offer a reasonable counter and it is also a departure from this thread!

Ok..so what is jesus saving by dying and how does it feature in Gods plan...

And how do you know death means anything to God if he drowned the entire earth, save noah and his family. (Contextually speaking)

McSquishi:
They were not referring to the story of Onan but to a law in Deuteronomy that required a widow to marry her brother-in-law. Deuteronomy 25:5-10

And the one of cutting a hand if a woman is trying to break up a fight and touches a man’s privates is in Deuteronomy 25:11-12

It’s strange that you quote the New Testament yet don’t believe in the Messiah the New Testament speaks about.

“The letter kills, the spirit gives life”. the letter that kills being the law you called “perfect” and the spirit referred to here is the Holy Spirit of the Messiah (who you believe is fake) who lifts the veil over our hearts that is put there by following the law...

Does Super man saying that human should give peace a chance means that it is a lie because does not exist?..common, a writer can make his character say anything . it does not mean it is a lie because the character does not exist...

The letter killeth means dont interprete the words of the scripture on face value or literally. There is always a deeper message....that is what gives life..

budaatum:
I should find a rabbi to teach me how to read?

Sounds like you are asking me to become a sheepie instead of use the brain and mind that God has blessed me with.

Are you a jew?..so you need one of them to interprete their books for you...

There are different layers of meaning to scriptures..

Dtruthspeaker:
This is Obviously A New Issue Departing from the Topic of this Thread!

But to put in a Quick One "death" is
1) Whatever A Creator of it calls it
2) Whatever The Creator of it Has created it to Accomplish
3) Whatever that has been created to Harm a creation which a creation is powerless to prevent!
4) Whatever that has been created to De-create or Uncreate a creation bringing about a termination and a discontinuation of the usual and normal living conditions which a creation is accustomed to living.



I have settled this before and it ended up in you insulting me when you could no longer offer a reasonable counter and it is also a departure from this thread!

No its not...death is body returning to dust. And spirit back to God who gave it.. .where does the soul comes from and where does it go when a man dies?..

GeneralDae:
so what moral lessons have you learnt from these mythologies and how do you differentiate mythologies from the real stories in the Torah/Tanach?

There are none..they are all mythologies...it is the jewish version of the igbo omenani.. Each community have their own customs and traditions. And mythologies...one is not more real than the others...it is the messages that is more important. The stories might varry..

The torah is still about Enki and Enlil..

GeneralDae:
By Torah being perfect and beautiful, what do you mean? there are a lot of strange stories and events in those books and some laws are strange like the cutting off of a woman's hand for grabbing a man's thing or the instant death of a man who refused to impregnate his dead brothers' wife, etc.

Lol..do you want me to teach you..they are mythologies. Read the stories and learn the messages they contain..

The case of oran refusing to impregnante his brothers wife is just calling your attention to the dangers of pleasure without responsibility...


The letter killeth, the spirit gives life..

Dtruthspeaker:
Mascots Prove this for they are made in the image of man eg Ben 10 Mascots, Captain America etc.

But the Difference between man and mascot
is Very Distinct and Clear!



Who else is going to supply the soul? Can the man who is still being manufactured do anything?

No, he can not, So it is God his Creator who has all the materials at His Disposal to finish the manufacturing process of the man.



I disagree this is the correct equation (Soul + Holy Spirit) + earth/flesh = "man"



I am not going into this again or now. Let's conclude on this issue first!

What is death?

But you only need two parents to create a man?..the man provides the spirit and the woman the body...and it grows inside the womans body...that is why geneology is transferred from father to son.

Let me put this in proper perspective...

Judaism and christianity are two different religions. Nobody should ever make a mistake about it. Judaism is a unitiary belief system while christianity is a duality. This means that the jews believe in only one God and lord who created and is responsible for both good and evil. While the christians believe in 3+1 gods. The three gods that make up in trinity and satan who is an equal opposite of the trinity. .The idea of satan in judaism is one who has no power or will outside that which God has given him and only those what God has permitted him to do and is very much part of God.

God gave mankind his laws and commandments to live by, the jews accepted it and wrote them down to pass on from generation to generation so they dont forget it for God choose them to be his people. He had a convenant with them, they heard his voice in the wildernessbut they did not see any image. They promised to obey his commandments and not to worship any other God apart from him.

Fast forward thousand of years later a scallywag with the name paul is writting letter to friends and community to discard Gods laws and believe in a messiah who came to change Gods laws(he never met jesus in the physical) he got this idea because he had a epileptic fist...so this man out of no where, he never studied the Torah and was never a rabbi..

It has come to men choosing paul over the creators laws.

Who da Bleep is paul to say men should no longer keep Gods commandments. Which tge creators said is for ever..

You guys should continue....follow paul ignore the creators commandments..

McSquishi:
And why did Yahshua say this in John 14:9 "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?” Or John 10 “I and the father are one” or the prediction in Isaiah that a virgin will bear a son and call him God with us?

The best answer that I can give you about Yahshua praying and referring to himself in third person or in a father/son manner is that everything that the Messiah did, every word uttered was in fulfillment and meant as an example to us.

Lol..God already gave us a perfect law to obey and follow in other for us to enjoy our human exoerience. .He never said he will impregnante another mans wife to sire a son. That is an abomination and insult in Gods eyes.

Isaiah was refering to his wife the prophetess. Isaiah had sex with her, she is a wife and mother, she cant be a virgin. .the son is isaiah's son. It was to assure king Ahaz that the two kings plotting against his kingdom will not succeed...read scriptures in context..

budaatum:
Seriously, this is far greater than a laugh. Instead of reading the physical book in front of us and learning how to live productively on earth, we create in our heads a stupid thing called God that we only read about in books then some people will come on here claiming that God spoke to them when they can not even hear nor see the physical beings in front of them.

Just think how absurd it is that we people claim a Jesus who's every teaching was about how to live in peace and fruitfully on earth is offering you eternal life and you might get my point when you begin to imagine how long three score and ten years is especially if you are living them in hell.

Humans are not asking for bread, but for scorpions and serpents instead, and by golly are there thousands to give it them!

This simply means you dont understand the Torah and what it means when it was talking about laws and leaving right.

Like i always say...it is God who created us like this. With the ability and capacity to make choices.

He gave us Mitvahs to help us make good choices so that we can live in peace amobgst our selves..

Find a rabbii to teach you the Torah..it is the most beautiful things i have ever come accross.


Match forward...God will path the sea for you...

Dtruthspeaker:
First it is Clear and Settled that the Raw Materials which was used to manufacture the man is from the earth, hence hu-man which means "humous-man" which means "earth man" which as you have said all the tribes of the earth agree and concede that man is from the 'earth,"

But where your problem lies is in understanding the Second Material Used in making the man which in my opinion is 2 materials which are not earthy but "Unseen Materials which we call spirit, which were Bound as a Single Unit at Creation, which is what we call Soul and I call the Second One, The Holy Spirit of God Himself.which I reasonably deduced from Genesis 2:7, Genesis 6:3 Ezekiel 37:14, John 1:9 and Romans 8:9.

As I have explained to you in the past, by The Laws of Creation, "A Creator Always has Great Power over His Creation and The Creator can do anything which pleaseth Him to Do To and Over His Creation with limitation ONLY to the Intention and Will of The Creator.

Thus, in the case of man, it pleaseth God to Put Himself and Join Himself with the soul of man exactly as man has created his cars and joins his car to power it.

And just like a car, man can remove himself from his car yet the car is Powered.

This same Application is what The Lord has done over us.

Now, like the car still being Powered even after removing yourself from it, you the man still have further power to
1) kill and dispose of it or
2) dispose of it without Killing it or
3) dispose of it in such a manner that it shall be killed.

And after you have done any of these things, does the man the creator of the car not continue with his Life while his car is dead and disposed of?

Same is what The Lord God our Creator can Also Do Unto his creation called the man!

Did you miss the part that says " in our image after our likeness?..

The earth supplied the physical materials while God supplied the spirit...who supplied the soul?

Like i said in my first post, soul = spirit + flesh.
Do you agree? If not where does the soul cone from?

What is jesus saving?..and when did God plan the human sacrifice fiasco?

McSquishi:
Yes, there is no one beside him. That is what I just shared with you, John 1st chapter reiterated that god is one. “The word was with God and the word WAS God... and the word (that IS God) was made flesh and dwelt among us”

Yahweh is a unity, three manifestations... just as we, the creation, are a unity with our spirit/soul/body.

So who was jesus worshipping and praying to?

And saying the father is greater than i...

Was he praying as part of a triune god?

Or trinity is just a pagan concept that the romans smuggled into the bible...

Wake up girl..