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GeneralDae:
can you state the reasons why you think so?

Only romans/greeks have the idea of god having children with humans...the jews dont have it..

GeneralDae:
Good, so also for the christian tradition, the animal that was killed points as a symbol to Jesus who was killed for the deliverance of his people.

So christianity is paganism because it was not God who ordered it..who asked for it?

GeneralDae:
can you state the reasons why you think so?

Is there anywhere in the entire old testament that speak of anything like christology?

GeneralDae:
And what makes you assume such about my thoughts on Judaism? Was there a passover sacrifice in Jewish culture or not?

The passover was to commemorate the day that God sent the angel of death to kill the first born son of the Egyptian and had to pass over the house of the jews...


So?...

GeneralDae:
Change what laws? The laws are there for those who want to keep them, he rather heightened the requirements of the laws and gave better ones under a new covenant.
The laws of Moses were not really special and they were strictly for the social life of ancient Isreal. With Jesus we see the laws of Moses clearly and have the laws of the new covenant in Jeremiah 29.

Who is jesus?

GeneralDae:
What do you want to get from me concerning Judaism? what's your point?

You seems to think that judaism is about animal sacrifice..

GeneralDae:
What don't you understand about it?

Did God ever say, through any prophet that he was sending his son(sic) to come and change his laws?

GeneralDae:
You are the one making assumptions here now. So tell me, where do you get the bolded from?

Quote..."Only the Jews and the Igbos accepted it"

Concerning the Roman's hijacking his commandments to create an idol jesus, that may have been possibly true 300 years after christianity began but not prior.

Early christian tradition has nothing to do with the hijacking of the Romans. If you say the catholic church of 300 A.D, then I may agree with you slightly.

Jesus is a roman creation.....or did you miss that?

GeneralDae:
The only sacrifice God accepts as you know already is the right heart, God has nothing really to do with animal or human sacrifice. They are just symbols.
The animal sacrifices on the alter ( e.g the lamb sacrifice on the jewish passover day) signified that due to the death of this animal ( as a hero), the jews were saved from death or extinction and in turn delivered out of bondage to Egypt.

This old testament tradition or story in the eyes of the early christian authors stood as symbols pointing to jesus as the real hero ( not the animal) whose death would save the jews.

It is not about God accepting this death as a human sacrifice, but rather the heroism of messaiah Jesus whom the passover animal represented 1500 years prior in Egypt.

I hope you understand?

Do you have any idea of what judaism is all about?

MaxInDHouse:
Just the same way you also often quote the Bible yet not a single person agree with you.
But my case is different because i already told you that my own spiritual family are all over the earth numbering almost 9,000,000 people having the same line of thought!

I laugh at you all for being the same...

Trust me, alot of people dm me for guidance after reading my post.

GeneralDae:
The only sacrifice God accepts as you know already is the right heart, God has nothing really to do with animal or human sacrifice. They are just symbols.
The animal sacrifices on the alter ( e.g the lamb sacrifice on the jewish passover day) signified that due to the death of this animal ( as a hero), the jews were saved from death or extinction and in turn delivered out of bondage to Egypt.

This old testament tradition or story in the eyes of the early christian authors stood as [b]symbols pointing to jesus [/b]as the real hero ( not the animal) whose death would save the jews.

It is not about God accepting this death as a human sacrifice, but rather the heroism of messaiah Jesus whom the passover animal represented 1500 years prior in Egypt.

I hope you understand?

I dont...where did you get this from?

Where did you get the bold from??

There is only one creator of all. We are all his children. He created us from the dust of the earth and his breath (or spirit). He gave us his children his simple rules to follow and obey in other to have a more fulfilling life with a purpose, only the jews and the igbos accepted it. They became the apple of his eyes and his chosen people. They were mandated to teach the world to follow God by obeying his commandments. Most times they did not even follow it and just as men use the whip to discipline humans, he has not relented in punishing them by using their enemies to overwelm them.
The romans hijacked his commandments and word and created an idol(jesus) and set him up as the new god for humans to worship. Ever since, God has turned his face from humans, just like the psalmist said in psalm 104:29-31.


We have to return back to following the laws and commandments of our creator. No more idolatry, or human sacrifice. No more worshipping God with other associates..There is no one beside the creator.

Isaiah 45: 1-12

I am enjoying this tete a tete...lol, its so amazing how both of you are quoting from the same new testament to contradict each other and counter each others point.

This is fricken hillarious.....

Jesus boys indeed.

The road that leads to life is narrow, only few find it...

GeneralDae:
The early christian tradition drew heavily from the Jewish scriptures not Moloch. Read the book of Hebrews in the new testament to understand how they interpreted these things.

So did God ever accepted or approved a human sacrifice ?

Jman24:
So in essence, biblical Jesus was in agreement that to love the only invisible God is worth more than burnt offerings and sacrifices(plural) according to verse 33.

So where did the Romans later get the idea that you need an ultimate sacrifice to reconcile self with God? When your only reconciliation is to Love God?

There is just one universal creator but so many gods..They must have gotten the idea from paganism.


There was child sacrifice to moloch....thats a pointer..

The creators of the jesus myth are really smarr. Look at what they have turned Nigerians into....arguing over the white mans bull shiit.


So sad, people with 6 credits in o level and a bachelors degree cant tell fictions from none fiction...so sad.

Continue, i am enjoying the foolary..

God is one. Universal creator of the universe. Just the nomenclature that is different...

Jesus is just a character in a story written by unknown authors....purpose of which is for social engineering..

As early as two weeks after conception. The feotus is already conciouse.....

It is the responsibility of every woman to carry it to term..regardless of hiw she conceived..

enilove:
I don't agree with you.

The old covenant is abolished by the death of Jesus on the cross .

The old covenant has to do with killings of animals as sin offerings & peace offerings .

The sledding of animal blood for cleansing of sins was a temporary measure meant to be abolished by the coming of the Messiah .

It is animal blood rituals that are no longer necessary in this period of grace.
The laws like killings , stealing , adultery , idolatry etc are not abolished .

The Pharisees and Sadducees are keepers of the laws and Jesus says our righteousness should exceed those of the Pharisees .
The reason being that we are under the leading of the Holy Spirit who makes our bodies his temples.

Are you in anyway saying that God gave the iseaelites his laws and commandments, then after sometimes he sent his son to come and abolish them? And father and son are 1. Something is not right..

FreeSpirited:
Hmm. You mean even Jews who wrote the old and new testament don't have the concept of devil? Sounds like a biblical paradox ...

The jews wrote only the old testament. They call it the Tanakh. It is the Romans that stole it and built or added their own paganism at the end of Malachi. Which they called the new testament. They called both the bible.

Judaism and christianity are two different religions.

Judaism has no concept of a devil that rebeled against his creator or a dual opposite of God. The orishas are all part of God. They represent laws and principles within God..

MrPresident1:
Jesus has a race, and his race is Hebrew, and the Hebrews especially the ones living in West Africa have grown a dark skin die o the intensity of the sun, and they have also become black due to the LORD's anger with them. But the LORD has redeemed his people and all those people that oppressed the apple of his eyes while he was away are going to be judged severely by the hands of these same people that they have oppressed

Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

If God has redeemed his people, why is there still oppression and war?

Because according to God, the purpose of that one redeemer was to end all wars and oppression. Isaiah says" they wilk hammer their swords into ploughshares....and learn of war no more"...
That is what the messiah was coming to do...so if there is still wars and oppresaion...it means the messiah has not come....

The sacrifices placed in the road junction is usually for esu. Esu is not the devil. Esu is the orisha or the cross road. The yoruba has no concept of devil just like the igbos or the jews.. The orishas has no power beyond that which God has entrusted them. Most times they need permission from God before they carry out any activity that is not in their job description. They all work for the creator..
God created both light and darkness, good and evil. All belongs to him. God is all powerful. His power is not restricted to good only. All means all..


I wonder where people get rhe power they give devil and the rest?

Can the created know the creator? Capital NO. Except of cause if the created , created the creator. You see, God created us, so that we will create him....

We are Gods just having a human experience. Hence it is called human BEING. We knew it is going to be hard. So the creator (us) created laws just to make it more enjoyable and fulfilling. "No Bleep another man wife, or close family relation, but nah when some people see another man wife, their prick dey raise. Honour your parents., No take person life without any reason, no thief, no lie for person head..no, some people no go hear, nah to talk wetin person no talk...and put people for danger be their stork in trade..

Well OP, when we die, we go back being God. We become part of the creator. Its up to us if we want to give the human experience another try. ..

Some people who has expereience it and passed all the life lesson come back as senseis or grand masters. Like Guru....

We are spirits or spiritual beings...

donnie:
You're mistaking the compilation of books (bible) for the scriptures (original scrolls). Scriptures have been stolen, some (like MESSIAH warned about) added and removed from scripture.

So in future, when they're forced to release those books/scrolls they stole and hid, we will be glad to use them to kick more butts. Jasher couldn't be said to have just come along after Joshua. You can say the compilation or translation, yes. The compilation or tarnslation doesn't indicate the origin of the scripture.

As per the JEW and JEW-ISH... just forget it, it probably is not for you. I suggest you quietly go and prayerfully study, seeking the truth. Then perhaps you'll understand.

Donnie, you have always shoot yourself in the foot. Whether you delibrately see something i never said or should plain ignorant. Which ever case, they will not help you.
What i try to do and i think most of us do here is to try and interprete context and make sense of it. None of us was there to witness the events.

My own point is that whether the ancient jews where white or black is not important. What i am particular about it that there is no where in the old testament where it is written that the messiah is something other than a man that will be annointed with a special oil that was usually kept in the ark of the convenant..Messiahs are usually kings that deliver people from their enemies.

Jesus did not fulfil any of the criteria set out by the prophet. So he cant be the jewish messiah.

So from my own research i discovered that jesus was just a creation of the Greeco/Roman empire on the order of emperior constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire. So whether jesus is white or black, the whole concept is pagan and has got nothing to do with the jews or their God....


So stop playing the color card as if it changes anything..

OkCornel:
Are you surprised? That’s how Donnie behaves na. According to his responses, anyone with a contrary view to his delusions automatically believes the messiah or Israelites are whites

Dont mind him...he does not want to learn...

I find this hell fire concept very laughable. People still hold on to the idea because they do not know what God is and what man is. They just project their emotions on God. Those emotion was given to us to eneble us live on earth succesfully. God does not do emotions.

Fear, anger, jelousy are all mans property...NOT God.

"And God formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed through his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul(conciouse). .Genesis 2.

Send forth YOUR spirit and they are created and replenish the earth, take it and they die and return back to earth.....psalm 104.

The body returns to earth where it was taken and the spirit back to God who gave it...Ecclesiatis 12:7

So death is just back to initial state, so i will ask those who claim the existence of hell, what is going there?

Is it the body that will return to earth or Gods breath(or spirit ) that will return to him that he will send to hell?

The conciouse man is the soul. When the spirit enters the body, it becomes a soul.

So must people are of the opinion that if the soul has not fulfilled its mission on earth, God can still send it, this time in another body...to complete the mission. There is so much evidence to support reincarnation.

But for some reason we seems to forget our former life.

For those on facebook. Morgue gave a good explanation why we do...watch the video. It is less that 15 minutes.

donnie:
Don't mind that guy. He's all about fake white ISRAEL, and their fake babylonian religion. So like them he also rejects the Bantu black MESSIAH. But he loves Idolatory like die.

You are not well at all. Since i started commenting on your thread, or on this platform, have i ever mention any colour? Ass wipe like you.

Whether black or white, God never told israel to believe in the messiah, the messiah God promised has not come, if he has you wont be opening this stupid thread. There would be peace in the world, no oppression and suffering.

You extrapolating a white concept and painting it black is a moroon.

You just heard a small portion of the story and ran away with it like a man who is running home to his wife after watching a pornographic movie...

budaatum:
Christ is a greco/roman understanding of an idea that came out of Egypt.

You just do not understand the constant battle for ownership going on in the book itself, and you are not knowledgeable enough to even know the questions you ought to ask. (And do not you dare ignore that I have insulted you and fail to intellectually challenge me, Sonm!)

Go read Genesis 3 to see how that which is good is made to seem like the bad and you just might get it, and that's if you have not got it by the two creation myths that precede that.

You are the one who lacks proper understanding. There is only one creation myth there, the first is the creation of the spiritual man, the so called second is the forrmation of the physical man. (Made from dust)

Man is just spirit dwelling within a body made of dust. The real us is the spirit man(or woman) .
Genesis 3 is talking about God passing judgement on Man, woman, earth and serpent. God is not a prophet.

I dont know why you keep throwing that 3:15 as if it is a prophesy. It is not, it is a judgement. Men will kill snake by striking their head and snake can only bite out heels because they crawl on the ground..

Man lost immortality because he became aware that he was God. So God said his spirit will not abide with man forever and decreed 120 years...

The real mythology is about the seasons. Not a man who died a ressurected.

Death does not mean anything to God.

The oldest bible is the codex sinaticus......

budaatum:
Or some people who are ignorant of the Bible will fail to realise that "Out of Egypt", means out of Africa, and that the origin of the doctrines are African, and that it is we who are educating them, and not they colonizing us.

Got to paint Christ white first though!

Christ is a greeco/roman creation....except you are telling me they are blacks. This your comment is not flying with me..

blueAgent:
How does that mean that Man is god?

God made man in his image that means man has similar features with God.
But no where does it indicate that man became a god.

Well we are getting somewhere, so that means jesus cant be God.

Man is a spiritual being ( God) dwelling inside a physical body made of dust.

100% God the father + 100% God the mother(mother earth) = 100% Man.

The jouney of life is that of self discovery..

Do you understand this pix?