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danigbo:
I know when this man was mad.
I use to see him around DMGS.
To God be the glory !

Are you sure the healed man is same as the insane man in the picture?

BuariCopyPaste:
I know this man.... infact I seize my breath anytime I pass him by.

This truly a miracle....... our Muslim folks are missing a lot since they don't perform miracles


Quote me and I shower you with strokes of cane

Are you sure the healed man is same as the insane man in the picture?

edicied:
No, they are saying the Mad man is the one they use to see no one here is making reference to the suppose healed man.

Okay then let me ask the witnesses on your behalf since you are reluctant to ask the right questions.

jbjackson:
bro I would have also doubt the miracle if I didn't know #belive bro God can use any1 at any time

I am female sir. So how can you attest to his psychotic tendencies? Give me examples since you knew him well enough.

jbjackson:
brother is not a scam cus I know this man too #every1 In awka road at onitsha has known him as a mad man for years #God is great

edified and catfishbilly more witnesses available at no charge.

edicied:
First of we don't know if the mad man is the same as the healed man that's why I ask "When last did those people who say they have seen him saw him last" No one is denying that the man was/is not mad.

A lot of people here who personally know him are saying he is the one. So where did the real insane man vanish to if an imposter is in his stead?

I am sure the local government authorities who came to assist also know about this man and would easily tell if he is or isn't the same person.

mazimee:
This man has been mad even before I started my secondary school education at DMGS. He has a kind of hut like house near our school in those days. I was really shocked because I have known this man all my secondary school days.

edicied and catfishbilly here is a witness. Can you direct your questions his way?

edicied:
This case hasn't been investigated to the root yet so chill

I hope you would be the one to carry out the actual investigation and not investigating by asking silly questions.

edicied:
All those saying they have seen this man when last did they see him??

I believe the picture was an actual picture taken at the time he was being prayed for.

Those who reside in his location know what he looks like and how he is. If right here on this website a lot of people could testify to knowing this formerly insane fellow and also mentioned his place of habitation do you not think that the live witnesses also knew the man and his habitation and duration of insanity?

Ask the right questions and not what you just did.

I see a lot of people here saying they know this healed man. So there are people who can attest to his mental status before and after.

Catfishbilly would you say this is another case of spontaneous remission or simply a coincidental occurrence?

I believe the one who prayed for him did not pray in any other name but that of Jesus (just in case you want to ask me WHICH OF THE GODS healed him).

Glory be to God alone.

By the way Mr hopefullandlord this had nothing to do with Hinduism.

hahn:
I don't think there is a modern version of god. Jehovah for instance still rides around in horses and it's angels use swords. A "modern" god would have a fleet of warships, fighter jets and automatic rifles. Or maybe lazer guns.



How do you know god is a "he"?



Because there is no proof it does



Broke me? How do you mean?

so this is your idea of what a God ought to look like? You watch too many movies!

A God does not need to have sophisticated weaponry around him or posh luxury when such weaponry do not work against him and when he simply needs to speak or blink or sneeze and all is done for. Even retaining luxury matters not to a God when luxury is his to command AT WILL!

BROKE YOU means made you an atheist.

hahn:
No I do not actually. You have not answered the question



Oh, it does to me



Most Nigerians are either Muslim or Christian. Most people are not even aware there are other gods and some even say Allah and Jehovah are the same



Let us begin with Allah and Jehovah but first I need to know which of these gods is the real one then we can continue

For the life of me why would you be concerned about which is the true God when you are against deification?

Why are you atheists here hard at learning? It's not about Christian or Muslim but about deification! That is all atheism stands for. How much slower am I to say this?

CatfishBilly:
I don't see why this is causing an argument.
Someone can be an atheist and a religious skeptic. They are not mutually exclusive.
I am an atheist and a religious skeptic, so I can discuss religion as I damn see fit.

are you agnostic?

hahn:
Yes it matters



Since we are Nigerians, let us start with Allah and Jehovah/Yahweh. Which of this god is the true god that deserves our attention?

You already have your answer since you say God or gods do not exist. So does whichever matter? I do not believe Yahweh and Allah are restricted to Africa or Nigeria. Remember your atheist definition says God or gods. So where do you wish to begin?

hahn:
Lol. Well you cannot blame us since even you theists have trouble agreeing on what/who god is, it's characteristics, it's temper, it's allegiance and hobbies are

Like Johnnydon22 said earlier, give us a proper definition of "God" and then we will be able to have a meaningful discussion. Till then, this is just another thread against atheism and none in favor of the god you want us to talk about

One of yours named Jackfizzle defined God as PRIMITIVE and I asked him to give me his MODERN version and he went mute. Can you assist?

Asking me to define God is laughable. You said he does not exist! Why do you say this and how did you know this? Surely your idea of how God is defined is part of why you refute his existence so what's your apt definition of God that broke you?

hahn:
Pardon me Bubu, but if atheists should discuss god and not religion then which god exactly should we discuss about?

Does it matter? Your definition of atheism refutes God or gods so feel free to take your pick. How many gods do you know about?

edicied:
M#ron i read mine from Quora where people who actually had them gave their experience you can google it if you like......Oh and no OBE doesn't go with NDE except maybe in some case which i actually don't know about

So NDE does not go with OBE? So one exists without the other? They are not related? Okay then sir. I can see I am chatting with an uninformed fellow.

Cheers.

edicied:
If hallucination made no sense then what do you think make sense Vision?

You are making assumptions here now guess who else does that?

Same thing happens to some coma patients so whats your point? that perception should only be when our eyes is open? and mind you i have experienced this to only difference i didn't attach anything spiritual to it

Have you had NDE b4? most of the cases i have read about they do not give details of anything around them except maybe you are talking about OBE? most of the times they talk about what they hallucinate about seeing bright like feeling peace and then complete darkness etc

Obviously you threw in lies in the midst of your comment deliberately. How come you only read about NDEs and OBEs which supports your lie? By the way OBE goes together with NDE so I wonder how you created your divide.

Perhaps you need to read a bit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-after-death-largest-ever-study-provides-evidence-that-out-of-body-and-near-death-experiences-9780195.html

http://iands.org/home.html

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html

Next time do not simply argue for the sake of it. Do it so you can learn.

Proudgorgeousga:
thread closed.

In such an insightful discussion this is all you could say? How did that put an end to the discussion when it's shown to be prematurely said.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think atheists can't do without talking about religion . They employ religious skepticism(which does not question the existence of God) because it makes it feel like atheism has more to offer than just lacking the belief in deities .

Atheism is empty , it focuses on the existence of deities , its gets emptier when you realize that it just rejects deification , it is not even a philosophical or scientific position that warrants arguments , logic or science .

They would never get this simple point.

johnydon22:
perhaps

as are obviously saving our time debating who is allowed to criticize religion or not



Below answer of yours answers this perfectly






Can a religious person also claim that his religious beliefs and ideas proves the existence of God?

You and I cannot deny people always use religion to ferry God, to deny this is to live in denial.

So if a theist can use religion to argue for God, someone else can also do same to argue against it.

The fair jurisdiction is: if an atheist cannot use religion against God when in such an argument centered around religion and God then a theist cannot use religion for God.

An atheist cannot use religion to argue against God simply because religion holds NOTHING against God!

For an atheist to use religion to argue against God they would need to dwell on fantasy and assumptions neither of which are scientific facts.

Which still brings us back to the fantasy world of atheists. Right here we have read atheists use fantasy to explain away God and you wonder why you should not dwell on religion as an atheist? It reveals your fantasy filled lives.

Dwell on God in isolation and present your scientific findings which rule out God. Can you do this without touching religion?

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly . No multiverse theory has ever worked , eternal universe models have no evidence to support them . All evidence show the universe has a beginning . Asserting that there could other universes before this one is mere speculation . The same way there is no reason to speculate infinite number of creators , Occam's razor deals with choosing simpler explanations . And since the advent of science , God has always been the best explanation for the universe .

Its funny how they scream "infinite regress" with the usual illogical question "who created God" but are ready to accept that the universe has been changing forms from past infinitude . What caused the change ? How does information pass from one form to another without any beginning ? They won't bother to answer . Its just not God .

Any outlandish unproven theory works for an atheist as long as it has nothing to do with an eternal creator God.

Even if a scientists proposes a theory that talks about cross universes that are linked via a time warp which enables us to experience other universes at the same time thereby giving credence to nostalgia or things like that and that the big bang was simply this universe warping through a worm hole so we can experience a universe we just interfaced with and eventually the big crunch would be us about to warp through another worm hole into another universe the atheist community would jump on it and begin to carry around this fantasy as fact during discussions.

It beats my imagination really.

KingEbukasBlog:
It is not case closed . All I'm saying is that it does not make sense to argue endlessly about religion when it does not have anything to do with the existence of God that's why I called it 'stupid' . Time wasting , makes no sense , no purpose so why do it ? Why can't we always talk about God like we are doing now ?

To prove my point , I'll mention you whenever an atheist opens a thread about religion . He has to give us reasons or else its just empty fruitless unnecessary arguments he wants to engage in . But of course , his reasons would be that it questions the existence of God and we are back to square one .

Succinct!

felixomor:
An atheist is never aware of his own assumptions.

Amazing isn't it? They see everyone else's flaws but theirs.

KingEbukasBlog:
So you didn't see Vilenkin's comment on it ?




Scientists have already rejected the theory , there is no evidence to support the theory , it simply does not work - no eternal universe model has ever worked . What is there to refute ?





Let people speak for themselves , when did you become their mouthpiece . Your comfort zone is uncertainty , speculations and fantasies and you'll do anything to pull anyone into it .

The multiverse theory has never worked and has never been accepted! I wonder where he gets his "fantastic"facts from?

johnydon22:
LMAO

Exactly! Suddenly you can read again!

CatfishBilly:
Jesus Christ.
What part of "My position of the fine tuning argument was based on your stand that earth was designed perfectly to support life not the plausibility of extraterrestrial life" don't you understand?

I do not think you quite understand yourself.

Are you refuting my position just for the fun of it based on the fact that I had that position and naturally as an atheist since my position speaks for creation and an eternal being you just had the urge to use anything to refute it or you actually want to sound sensible?

Either way you simply refuted my claim using an assumption be it deliberate or for fun. Why do this?

You hold the belief that my claims of God are mere assumptions which is why you argue God daily but here you are making same assumptions and trying to dig up reasons why you made them?

Wow! Just wow!

johnydon22:
Please take people up on their arguments, I am not one with anyone. I am me, I have my own ideas and opinions.

Please focus your arguments and don't try to define a set of people based on an assumption derived from 1.

This will be my last reply to you here unless I am presented with something worth my time

My apologies Mr lofty. Good thing you noticed they are also ASSUMPTIONS!

Why don't you try presenting arguments worthy of our time or even mine. A lot of your posturing too has been built on fantasy and not scientific fact.

CatfishBilly:
My position of the fine tuning argument was based on your stand that earth was designed perfectly to support life not the plausibilityof extraterrestrial life.
Notice I said "could" it wasn't a definitive statement.
Besides a lot of scientists think its plausible.
If you want to discuss this, open another thread.

My question was a simple one. Why would you use an assumption to rubbish a claim? Is that how the science you know works?

The scientists who think this is plausible have they shown you proof or further assumptions? Why build your entire life and argument around an assumption?

johnydon22:
You are yet to show the post, please KingEbukasBlog help me correct this, I am tired of replying this outright misrepresentation due to lack of attentiveness

I always read ALL comments!
Your comments are not my problem but your underlying argument based on examples you cited.

Pay closer attention when making comments. Every comment has a motive. I saw yours.

johnydon22:
Please stop mentioning me every opportunity you get, take people up on their assertions and argue.

The way to argue is, if you negate a postulation then you provide reasons.

I see no reason why I am needed here unless you want me to discuss with you on the arguments of fine-tuning.

I need you to speak the truth. Being one of a kind with catfishbilly does not mean you have to brush aside his ridiculous assertions but when I make same you latch unto them.

He makes and has made some rather fantasy riddled claims and you suddenly could not read.

johnydon22:
Let me take you up on this now, I will like everyone to watch.

Coolusername, hopefullandlord, KingEbukasBlog. I have been trying to avoid this as much as possible now let me finish this in front of you all once and for all.

Now I'd like you to present a post of mine where I made an absolute assertion of the universe being either eternal or not eternal.

Its no longer funny, I will be waiting for you to show us that post

You should be able to locate your comments yourself. Why were you arguing with Mr king whose stand was a finite universe while you stood for an infinite one using Hawkings?

When he pointed out your error you simply said "it wasn't as simple as he thought".

Your comments are right here.