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Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 5:51pm On Aug 27, 2017
CatfishBilly:

My favorite Nairalander grin grin cheesy
Good to have you back.

Hi catfishbilly, why does everyone think I went off somewhere? Everyone keeps saying welcome back. I have just been a bit pre-occupied that's all.

Stop arguing all the time. It is not healthy and you should know this. Healthy living says smile, laugh, hugs and kisses and not all the negative arguments all the time. How are you though? Good?
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 9:17pm On Aug 26, 2017
701ecilana:

These Zkmbies never realize say you no be this Dr o. The Dr no fit even speak pigin English. And from wen do we shave dogs? Imaoooo.

lol Well dogs do get shaved and not just people. The weather here has been very warm lately and my dogs have been rather extremely restless lately. They are Pomeranians.
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 1:21pm On Aug 26, 2017
CatfishBilly:

People who recover from end stage cancer have a name attributed to the phenomena, it is called Spontaneous remission of cancer. With a pathophysiology behind it.
So, they weren't misdiagnosed, besides, cancer is not a clinical diagnosis there are too many diagnostic modalities that chance for errors are all but erased


People who recovered from brain death, what are they called? What's the pathophysiology behind it?


See your dead analogy?

At least you've been able to understand that definition is different from criteria. So I've not been wasting my time

My dear friend catfishbilly you do argue a lot. In my profession experience has always been our guide. despite being medically brushed up we still depend on individual experiences and scenarios we meet on the field to make decisions. All cases do not respond or follow same procedure. We work on an as is basis.

People with personal experiences often need no convincing because replicating such personal experiences are as good as not possible. Each experience is unique to the one experiencing it.

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Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 11:54am On Aug 26, 2017
analice107:

Been good dear. I just came back from a 1month ban for posting off topic. An offence which normally backs just a days ban, i was slammed 1 full month. But, am good.

Welcome back. These rebels here would've been so happy to find you gone. lol. believe me, you scare the wits outa them.

More threads Doc.


Sweetheart i was never gone so there is no need for a welcome back. lol. I wouldnt want to scare anybody though. A bit engrossed at the moment so when free i may put up something but no time for debates. My schedule is tight these days. Today for instance i have to take my dogs to the vet for their shave down, then i have grocery shopping then taking my daughter for a sleep over at her friends which would be after first tutoring her. I dread my off days sometimes.
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 11:44am On Aug 26, 2017
analice107:

By side, i mean, he is not against you. We are not here to Win, we are only just presenting our opinions from our different perspectives.

Yeah, the mentions are as a result of your moniker being mentioned back and forth by almost all the atheists here accusing him of being you.

A thread was even opened for that purpose. It's good you ignored them. Not worth it.

i have seen that thread already and it really was a silly one. Creepy yet silly. How have you been? I am taking my time to read through the discussions here
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 11:35am On Aug 26, 2017
analice107:

He is not trolling you. You are getting his mentions because he is being accused if being you. He mentions you to let them know you guys are distinct monikers. He is a great guy. And, he is on your side too.

alrighty then. That may explain why i got 49 mentions and they all looked silly. Thank you for the explanation. Well i am not really into sides. Just stating the obvious whenever i get the chance
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 11:24am On Aug 26, 2017
analice107:

Better.


And, Butterflylion, Come meet a good friend and a sister here. She was accused of being 4evergod, and now you are being accused of being her. lol.

Dr Meet Butterflylion. He is male, and you are female, for the purpose of clarity. lol

So thats your friend? He should stop trolling me. I got a lot of mentions from him.
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 11:08am On Aug 26, 2017
butterflylion:


Sorry I am not trolling you. People have been saying I am you oo. I no sabi Wetin their MAdness be ooo. cheesy

Well it needs to stop. Its getting creepy.
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 11:05am On Aug 26, 2017
butterflylion:


Wetin concern me with spacetacular. If you like her simply say so and stop this you pretence ogbeni. All this your mumu scoping no be am. Abi you dey find person wey go fo for you?

Excuse me? And why are you also trolling me?
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 11:02am On Aug 26, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
I told you and I'll tell you again--save it.
Where is butterflylion?
Now log in again and respond.
You go suffer today.


Please stop trolling me for whatever reason. Is there something the matter?
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 10:55am On Aug 26, 2017
analice107:

Wow. Am glad you're still with us. Whenever time permits, pls be with us, don't let these rebels get to you.

I am not bothered by them in any way. Just a bit divided in my interests and priorities right now.
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 10:54am On Aug 26, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
I expected this. I'm not surprised at all.
You're desperate.


Hopefullandlord

Mr Seun please i have asked that all these trolls stop bugging me or saying things that are crazy to me.
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 10:41am On Aug 26, 2017
butterflylion:
Atheist Sam Harris offers half-witted attack of Eben Alexander’s Near-Death Experience

The following is from an exchange between Dr. Sam Harris and Dr. Eben Alexander regarding Sam Harris’ blog post.

Sam Harris: …There’s nothing to debate either. He can’t reasonably claim that the relevant parts of his brain (not just the cortex) were “completely shut down.” It’s just not a factual statement.

Eben Alexander: Of course, it was premature for him to speak out based on the Newsweek article — he needs to at least read the book if he wants to avoid making embarrassing statements that he later regrets. Isolated preservation of cortical regions might have explained some elements of my experience, but certainly not the overall odyssey of rich experiential tapestry.

The severity of my meningitis and its refractoriness to therapy for a week should have eliminated all but the most rudimentary of conscious experiences: peripheral white blood cell [WBC] count over 27,000 per mm3, 31 percent bands with toxic granulations, CSF WBC count over 4,300 per mm3, CSF glucose down to 1.0 mg/dl (normally 60-80, may drop down to ~ 20 in severe meningitis), CSF protein 1,340 mg/dl, diffuse meningeal involvement and widespread blurring of the gray-white junction, diffuse edema, with associated brain abnormalities revealed on my enhanced CT scan, and neurological exams showing severe alterations in cortical function (from posturing to no response to noxious stimuli, florid papilledema, and dysfunction of extraocular motility [no doll’s eyes, pupils fixed], indicative of brainstem damage).

Going from symptom onset to coma within 3 hours is a very dire prognostic sign, conferring 90% mortality at the very beginning, which only worsened over the week. No physician who knows anything about meningitis will just “blow off” the fact that I was deathly ill in every sense of the word, and that my neocortex was absolutely hammered. Anyone who simply concludes that “since I did so well I could not have been that sick” is begging the question, and knows nothing whatsoever about severe bacterial meningitis.

I invite the skeptical doctors to show me a case remotely similar to mine. My physicians, and their consultants at UVA, Bowman Gray-Wake Forest, Duke, Harvard, Stanford and beyond were astonished that I recovered.

In an effort to explain the “ultra-reality” of the experience, I examined this hypothesis: Was it possible that networks of inhibitory neurons might have been predominantly affected, allowing for unusually high levels of activity among the excitatory neuronal networks to generate the apparent “ultra-reality” of my experience? One would expect meningitis to preferentially disturb the superficial cortex, possibly leaving deeper layers partially functional. The computing unit of the neocortex is the six-layered “functional column,” each with a lateral diameter of 0.2–0.3 mm.

There is significant interwiring laterally to immediately adjacent columns in response to modulatory control signals that originate largely from subcortical regions (the thalamus, basal ganglia, and brainstem). Each functional column has a component at the surface (layers 1–3), so that meningitis effectively disrupts the function of each column just by damaging the surface layers of the cortex. The anatomical distribution of inhibitory and excitatory cells, which have a fairly balanced distribution within the six layers, does not support this hypothesis. Diffuse meningitis over the brain’s surface effectively disables the entire neocortex due to this columnar architecture. Full-thickness destruction is unnecessary for total functional disruption.

Given the prolonged course of my poor neurological function (seven days) and the severity of my infection, it is unlikely that even deeper layers of the cortex were still functioning in more than isolated pockets of small networks.
The thalamus, basal ganglia, and brainstem are deeper brain structures (“subcortical regions”) that some colleagues postulated might have contributed to the processing of such hyperreal experiences. In fact, all agreed that none of those structures could play any such role without having at least some regions of the neocortex still functional. All agreed in the end that such subcortical structures alone could not have handled the intense neural calculations required for such a richly interactive experiential tapestry.
There are 9 hypotheses discussed in an appendix of my book that I derived based on conversations with colleagues. None of them explained the hyper-reality in any brain-based fashion.


Sam Harris: And even if I granted that his brain had been shut down — it’s not shut down now. And there is absolutely no way for him to establish (or even to subjectively know) that he didn’t have his experience as his brain was coming back online. End of debate, as far as I’m concerned.

Eben Alexander: Again, he needs to read the book. In fact, I know that my experience happened within coma because of certain anchors to earth time in memory. Of course the whole issue of how I remembered so much haunted me from the beginning — before my coma, I would have stated flatly that someone that sick would remember absolutely nothing. And I would have been totally wrong. Memory extends beyond physical brain and physical universe (again, clues from transpersonal psychology, which I knew nothing of before). And time flow in that realm is very different. I would advise the skeptics to contribute to a much broader understanding, instead of just trying to deny, if they’re up to the challenge.

To any skeptic who thinks he has explained my experience as brain-based, he then needs to address the non-local nature of consciousness ~ the broad clinical experience in transpersonal psychology (notably all of the past life clinical work, the reincarnation work from Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker at UVA; also very relevant in terms of how I remembered so much) and address the overwhelming tsunami of evidence of the phenomena of non-local consciousness in Irreducible Mind

Source: http://skeptiko.com/sam-harris-wont-debate-eben-alexander-on-near-death-experience-science/


To any skeptic who thinks he has explained my experience as brain-based, he then needs to address the non-local nature of consciousness ~ the broad clinical experience in transpersonal psychology (notably all of the past life clinical work, the reincarnation work from Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker at UVA; also very relevant in terms of how I remembered so much) and address the overwhelming tsunami of evidence of the phenomena of non-local consciousness in Irreducible Mind

There is a book known as irreducible mind by Edward Kelly, Emily Williams Kelly, Adam Crabtree, Alan Gauld, Michael Grosso, and Bruce Greyson that deals extensively with this. I have come across it but was not really eager to read. Perhaps i need to get it this time.
Religion / Re: Ex-theists/atheists, How Did You View Atheists When You Were A Theist? by spacetacular(f): 10:19am On Aug 26, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
How many times will you people open this useless threads to tell these boring stories ??

Atheism does not question religious beliefs , religious books or religious doctrines or reject religion so I don't get why stories here are centered on religion

Questioning religious beliefs does not make anyone an atheist . Denying the existence of a transcendent creator of the universe does not even make you an atheist.

What makes you an atheist is when you reject deification or when you dont see anything -abstract or concrete - as a god .

99 percent Nigerian "atheists" are very ignorant and expect more stories based on their ignorance here .

cc : felixomor , butterflylion spacetacular,

Well i am a bit weary from reading so many mentions and trying to understand the reason for all the mentions but let me quickly say that yes questioning religious beliefs does not make anyone an atheist. Let me stop at that. Today is my off day so that means my rest day. Just came on to look around.

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Religion / Re: Who Is Butterflylion? by spacetacular(f): 10:00am On Aug 26, 2017
xklass:
I have been suspecting lately that the person behind this ID is felixomor even tho on the contrary, I'm sensing 4EVERGOD

The 1st comment made by this dude was on Hardmirror saga. As we all know, many people were banned on that thread and lots of alternate IDs were created.

Judging by the way he responds, (been insultive), I say he's FELIX.

If we all notice, spacetacular hasn't been active lately while butterflylion is 24/7hr active on religion section.

Morealso, I will love to clear the atmosphere about something, "SPACETACULAR is FELIXOMOR" and not "FOREVERGOD" like you all thought

The way he responds using PIDGIN, I Dae suspect Felix..
The Yoruba responses.


Please what are you on about? Are you one of those who insist on trolling me? Why are you talking about my ID?
Religion / Re: Atheist Neurosurgeon Finds God After Near Death Experience. by spacetacular(f): 9:57am On Aug 26, 2017
analice107:

This here is my erudite sister. It gladdens the hearts of the elders when they see that they have a future in their younger generation.

This is why The Master, said, "I have built my Church on the Rock, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it".

No matter how mush Satan through his agents fight, Christ will still raise the Bennyanns, the Analicendum107s, the Butterflylions, the Felixomors and the KingEbukablogs in every generation to carry the touch light to the next generation.

The Church will keep moving.

Bravo Bennyann.

Am suspecting Dr Spacetacular have yielded to what the urchins wanted out of her. She can not stand their idiocy and has left.
Oh My God.

Hi, i have been busy and off work today so just decided to check on here and was shocked when i saw 49 mentions. a lot were just crazy talk and so funny so i skipped those for yours. i am still very much okay with this website. Just trying to focus on my convention.
Religion / Re: All Things Work Together For Good To Them That Love God And Are In His Purpose by spacetacular(f): 6:18am On Aug 11, 2017
1Sharon:


Both events exists, but that doesnt mean you have anything to do with it.

The Trauma conference doesnt have a VIP rep.

Ekwuemee ooooo grin

Why does 1sharon look familiar? Is it the way she types or reasons? Ah yes she is the one who has her mind all up in arses.

You really do need to stop trolling me for whatever reason that rocks your boat.

So my conference has no VIP representatives yeah?

http://www.traumainnovation.com

Check it out. That was the attendance In 2016 and from what I gathered it's doubled in 2017. Been preparing for it a lot these days so haven't been on here much.

I am sure that since you don't have a dysfunctional reading habit you would see 95 VIPS from 14 countries on that website clearly written out near the top yet you say my conference has no VIPS? You need to stick your head back up the most recent arse you had.

Oh and also here

http://www.traumainnovation.com/why-exhibit

There you would see under WHO SHOULD EXHIBIT AND SPONSOR the very first on the list are APP DESIGNERS. that is where the App, CitizenAID comes in and I also come in.

And finally on the main website www.dsei.co.uk go to EXHIBITORS LIST for the 2017 conference and find us (citizenAID) listed there as one of the numerous exhibitors and we would be at stand N3-590

https://www.dsei.co.uk/visiting/exhibitor-list?&page=2&searchgroup=897A727A-exhibitors

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Religion / Re: Gunmen Kill Worshippers At A Catholic Church In Ozubulu, Anambra State (Graphic) by spacetacular(f): 5:39pm On Aug 10, 2017
If bodies could be piled together like this under these messy conditions then I wonder how those who survived would be treated by first responders or even at the hospitals.

My day just went from a great high to a great low.
Religion / Re: Gunmen Kill Worshippers At A Catholic Church In Ozubulu, Anambra State (Graphic) by spacetacular(f): 5:23pm On Aug 10, 2017
Liftkid:
Just this morning, during 6 am mass at st philps Catholic church Ozubulu Anambra state, Gumen invaded The church killing more than 150 people.



story had it that they were looking One rich man popularly know as Bishop a south African based from the town who built the new church


at the mortuary now but we aint allowed to take pictures


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbTvgtHxxa0

This is horrendous! Why were they stacked together in a pile like that in the back of that dingy truck? Even in death, bodies deserve some respect.

150 people? How? Where were the policemen? Surely it would take more than 5mins to put down 150 people. So very sad.
Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 5:27pm On Aug 03, 2017
chemystery:
if you are confident enough to insult someone why can't you be proud to accept it than hiding under the guise of "observation"? People like you will call someone fool, idiot, slowpoke, retard, etc and call it observation. Any form of insult or ad hominem can be labelled as observation or which ever name you want to call it. I'm not perturbed anyway, each time I see ad hominem I don't see insult but an egocentric way of backing out or accepting defeat.

Are you sure you are alright? If I say you talk stupid or I ask you to shut up did I insult you by saying that? If I say your comment was either as a result of illiteracy or a lack of assimilation how did that become an insult? I have to ask again if you are alright.

If you have a personal complex then deal with it. Do not misconstrue harmless comments as harmful. You made an obvious uninformed error and I corrected you and you insisted on being correct even when you knew you were wrong and you now say I insulted you when I made my observation?

Well you are lucky I did not also say you were stiff necked or would you also term that as an insult If I did?
Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 2:57pm On Aug 03, 2017
sonofluc1fer:


You might have your haters, but you've got an admirer in me.


Son of the morning star, thank you! For the life of me I fail to see why and how I got so many haters so quickly. smiley
Religion / Re: Will Religion Ever Leave Planet Earth? by spacetacular(f): 2:05pm On Aug 03, 2017
edicied:

I think religion or spirituality is very important in a society

Can you tell me why it's VERY important?
Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 1:54pm On Aug 03, 2017
chemystery:
you want to correct someone but you don't want to be corrected. I understand you are ashamed to accept your wrong. It's normal with someone who makes a blunder while trying to correct someone. I'm not here to ridicule you or condemn you nor call you illiterate cos of that. If you call me an illiterate just for correcting you, I accept that I am one if this would help massage your ego. If you have other names to call me base on observation like you said, I accept all of them in advance. Anything to make you happy. But I'm glad you have learnt something today

Can you show me the correction you gave to me and my error? When did stating an observation require a correction when the one being observed had repeatedly shown the observation as true?

Maybe in your part of the world observations are termed as insults but where I am they are not! People take them, learn, improve/change and try not to have such observations made of them again.
Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 1:40pm On Aug 03, 2017
JackBizzle:



Good good.

JackFIZZLE smiley Today you did not fizzle out.
Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 1:36pm On Aug 03, 2017
felixomor:
The analogy defeats itself in this regard.

It was not initially meant to talk about religion

But the Op somehow wants to force his way and use it to speak about religion

Lastly, if we are to reason like the [b']skeptic[/b]'

How are we sure this SCIENTIST Who performed this so called experiment exists?
What is his name?

And a skeptic could admit a scientist could put monkeys in a cage for a reason, yet he cant admit a bigger God put man on this planet for a reason...

Yeah! Logic

I did say the same tale is applicable to other aspects of our existence and you just mentioned one of such aspects. I am glad you saw what I also did. smiley

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Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 12:28pm On Aug 03, 2017
JackBizzle:



'Does' can apply to 'their' if the 'their' is qualifying a singular object.

E.g. Does their cat eat meat?

Jackfizzle. The question in error initially was DOES THEIR ACTIONS SOUND FAMILIAR? THEIR ACTIONS is a plural subject. ACTIONS IS PLURAL OF ACTION.

He has corrected it to DO THEIR ACTIONS LOOK FAMILIAR? DO BEING THE PLURAL VERB QUALIFIER FOR THE PLURAL SUBJECT "THEIR ACTIONS ".

in your case, DOES THEIR CAT EAT MEAT? THEIR CAT IS A SINGULAR SUBJECT. CAT IS SINGULAR FOR CATS.

If you had said, THEIR CATS it would have become DO THEIR CATS EAT MEAT and not DOES THEIR CATS EAT MEAT.

I hope assimilation still does not elude you.
Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 12:18pm On Aug 03, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


Hehehehehehehehe, now I'm lying lol grin

she would make her choice by herself, if she chooses atheism, so be it! its that simple, I see atheism as more of a destination and religion as a "way" to it, many never get to that destination and some do, so I won't tell her all those gods are fake, she'll chose herself; even my parents always take her to church when we visit them

"I DON'T KNOW" that's why I'm exposing her to various concepts and religion that claim to "know" so she can make her own decision on it, get it? I'm not telling her "hey all gods are fake, don't go to any church or mosque"

Religious (especially faith based) indoctrination should be illegal and termed child abuse

I will repeat my last comment:


Do what gives you joy and let others do same. It's your life and it's also their life. Your daughter mustn't mirror another and neither should you. Live your choices and may they bring you the joy you seek
Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 12:08pm On Aug 03, 2017
chemystery:
it's OK face the topic. Appealing to insults does not make you right.

Illiteracy isn't an insult but an observation. If you still think I am wrong then my observation stands true.

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Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 12:07pm On Aug 03, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


NO! that's the biggest difference between me and the religious, my daughter is 8 and has gone to church when she seemed fascinated by it, I've taken her to a mosque too while I stayed in the car when she watched a Muslim fasting program and was fascinated by Arabic, I've exposed her to all sorts of religion right now and try as much as possible to prevent religious indoctrination by neighbours and family where I can help it although its tough but I'm not that type that tells them there's a way and that's the only way; I'm also teaching her myths and "dead religions and dead gods"

if she then grows up and decides to become a Muslim or Hindu or Christian or Deist or Pantheist or whatever religion catches her fancy, I would NOT stand in her way or advise her against it, although if she happens to want to convert her father to whichever religion she chooses, she would face stiff opposition



cheesy you have exposed a yet DEPENDANT 8 year old to all sorts of religions yeah? Tell your story to the birds of the air because I am not one of them who feeds on every crumb I see fall.

Crumb in this case means lies.

By the way while allegedly exposing her to other religions why not also expose her to atheism it should help her carry out a proper review of all you claim to have exposed her to.

Oh and also I have read you say YOU DON'T KNOW when asked about creation and related things but suddenly you KNOW what's best for your daughter.

cheesy cheesy

Do what gives you joy and let others do same. It's your life and it's also their life. Your daughter mustn't mirror another and neither should you. Live your choices and may they bring you the joy you seek.

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Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 11:47am On Aug 03, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


I already went through this in my previous posts

have we gotten to the part where we start circling?

LOVINGLY KNOW? more like LOVINGLY HAVE FAITH is the right direction, that explains why a Hindu would do the same to his child, a Jew does too, a Muslim same, a pagan does the same but all claim to LOVINGLY KNOW as THE RIGHT DIRECTION, isn't the issue here very obvious that only one or none could possibly be indoctrinating the child with the "RIGHT DIRECTION"


If you detest the term LOVINGLY KNOW then feel free to take it out on nature and smack her for giving us these feelings towards our offspring and a deep desire to give them our best.

As an atheist I am sure you believe so much that atheism is the right direction so feel free to indoctrinate your child that way. All is well that ends well right?

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Religion / Re: How Religion Works; The Psychology Behind It. by spacetacular(f): 11:44am On Aug 03, 2017
chemystery:

All possessive pronouns apply DOES

DOES My
DOES Your
DOES Their
DOES His/Her

Well, let's face the topic and not derail the thread anymore

Stop showing off illiteracy and being proud of it. "THEIR" is a plural subject so you need a plural verb to qualify it. The plural verb is DO and not DOES.

You would have seen your mistake if you had put the subjects first in the sentence thus.

THEIR ACTIONS, DO/DOES THEY LOOK FAMILIAR?

the answer is THEIR ACTIONS, DO THEY LOOK FAMILIAR?

Which shows I am right and you are terribly wrong.

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