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MostHated:
Fixed. Thanks for the correction.

BTW, maybe if you had cared to take a look at the website, then you'ld have noticed that it actually wasn't copied "word for word".

Good thing you took correction unlike a certain chemystery who still insisted it was DOES and not DO.

I did read the website.

hopefulLandlord:
sermon starts, as expected; you've quickly dropped your "brushing teeth" analogy

I absolutely disagree that its a PERSONAL DECISION judging by the fact that most children end up living and dying as adherents of whichever religion their parents are in, that is the most telling effect of indoctrination; you might try to pull some fancy words here but I'm not manipulating anything, I'm simply saying it as it is

I have pointed out many times, the vast majority of believers follow their faith simply because of where they were born and raised (indoctrinated). A look at any world religions demographic map makes that obvious. If most of the people who had a positive influence over a child's life were of a certain religion, that child would want to emulate them, and maybe would be convinced that their religion is part of the reason they appeal to him/her and were a positive influence in their life. The child is at the core an emotional, trusting and dependent being that accepts that which it is told when young and then all subsequent knowledge is layered and fused, laminated into a ever stronger and more rigid bar as the child matures.

So the Child is a dependent being right? I wonder why? Should I then deprive my child of her much needed parental dependence and guide in what I LOVINGLY know as THE RIGHT DIRECTION?

shouldn't you rather be asking why my child was not born with an already inherent INDEPENDENT SPIRIT?

why the repeated cycle of BIRTH, DEPENDENCY, MATURITY THEN BIRTH AGAIN, DEPENDENCY, MATURITY.... etc.

Isn't there a lesson to be learnt in there somewhere? If such a trait was meant to be a disadvantage in us wouldn't you think that genetically we would have mutated that away?

Do you see such traits of dependency only in humans? Would you call those teachings being carried out by animals and insects on their offspring also indoctrination?

chemystery:
no choice but to clutch on straws. Why not go to education section and show yourself? It is DOES by the way. But I wont count that on you. English is not our mother tongue and not a yardstick to judge one's intelligence. I do make mistakes even in my local language. The most important thing is to communicate which he did flawlessly and effectively.

It is DO and not DOES. We learn everyday.

JackBizzle:
What matters is the message.

Some of the most profound comments I have heard were spoken in broken English.

That figures!

JackBizzle:
So you have turned to a grammar Nazi such that you don't even bother to address the point in someone's comments but rather judge the use of English?

Jackfizzle when someone cannot see how use of grammar can affect communication then it raises questions about their level of assimilation. I guess it wouldn't bother you much since you also suffer from assimilation so I guess you are showing support for a colleague.

hopefulLandlord:
That might be okay. But teaching your children that God killed the whole world because they were all evil except for Noah and his family. Or that he hates homsexuals that is why he obliterated Sodom and Gomorrah. etc.

Generally religious instruction is dangerous and manipulative, there might be some outdated morals taught but for the most part religion teaches, stupidity, narrow -mindedness, intolerance and bigotry and the teaching of it to children could even be regarded as being morally akin to deliberately exposing a child to HIV.

Teaching your children to be fearful of snakes or things that may harm them is perfectly reasonable, because it is based on experience and evidence. Teaching your children to be fearful of something for which there is no experience or evidence and which cannot be validated is just plain child abuse.

If something cannot be detected by sensory perception or instrumentation, then in what sense is evidence present? Information provided by our senses or instrumentation is necessary to claim that we have evidence.

No has been to hell or heaven and come back again to tell that Jesus and the devil are real and alive. Where is hell? Where is heaven? Where is God? Where is the devil? It does not make any sense to preach the fear gospel to children because how can you fear something that is not real.

Kids play pretend games all the time. That is ok. But they are not real and they know that. Pretending adds spice to life. Imagination is one of the greatest assets that a human has. But the religion is not pretend and it is presented and believed as being real and not a figment of ones imagination. Unlike Superman, and Batman and Santa etc

When you have your personal opinion about a subject NEVER attempt pushing it on another who does not share your position and assume he or she MUST accept what you say as how they think. THAT IS WRONG!

You See, there is something about religion or Christianity which you obviously failed to understand and believe. NOBODY FORCES ANYTHING ON ANYONE! PEOPLE CHOOSE what to believe according to their level of growth and exposure to the truth in the Word of God revealed to them personally by HIS SPIRIT.

Teaching about hell is not the bases for salvation. The death and resurrection of Jesus and believing in it is!

Telling my kid about Jesus and Santa claus or the Tooth Fairy means nothing to them until they arrive at the age in life when they CHOOSE BY THEMSELVES which is real and which is not BASED ON THEIR OWN PERSONAL FINDINGS AND EXPERIENCES.

When you read or hear about people becoming born again it's based on PERSONAL DECISIONS. some of them heard this message of Jesus maybe 10 years ago but still 10 years later ended up believing. Not everyone became born again by going to church and constantly being told the word of God! Many never had such experiences. Many were not born into Christian families. Many never grew up with Christian books in their libraries.

What you wrote is YOUR PERSONAL IDEA of what THE GOSPEL truly is. GOSPEL means GOOD NEWS so when you say we preach the FEAR GOSPEL it means you do not even know what you are saying. FEAR and GOOD NEWS (GOSPEL) cannot be used in one sentence.

You are the one trying to manipulate religion to fit your personal opinion when it's rather simple and joy based.

hopefulLandlord:
I'm yet to meet an indoctrinated atheist but indoctrinated theists are everywhere, infact religion (especially the Abrahamic religions) endorses and mandates indoctrination
It is unintentional child abuse.
Parents are themselves indoctrinated and have been terrorized by the notion of eternal suffering if they do not believe. And parents love their children and want them to be "saved". So they rush to soak them with all these ideas that are not even fit for kids, to ensure that sticks with them all through adulthood. Instead of giving them the choice to explore and decide on their own.

If I teach my kid how to properly scrub behind her ears while taking a bath and to always brush her teeth morning and night would you call that indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to always be respectful to those older than she is would that be termed as indoctrination?

If I teach my kid the nobility in education and always being a positively exemplary person would that be termed as indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to always be generous and help those in need even when she may not have e enough for herself would that be indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how not to cheat or finagle her way into relevance in the society would that be indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to love and live to love rather than hate would that be termed as indoctrination?

Please can you tell me which of these listed above is CHILD ABUSE?

When did positive living and teaching positive living become Child Abuse? Do you even know what Child Abuse is?

hopefulLandlord:
^ Our British Surgeon strikes again

That feeble attempt at understanding applied up there is applicable to anything and is even more so applicable to atheism as well wouldn't you agree?

MostHated:
So I came across this piece. Looks strangely very true to me. What do you guys think?


A group of scientists placed 5 monkeys in a cage and placed in the middle, a ladder with bananas on the top.

Every time a monkey went up the ladder, the scientists soaked the rest of the monkeys with cold water, which they hated.

After a while, every time a monkey went up the ladder, the others beat up the one on the ladder so they wouldn't get soaked with water.

After some time, no monkey dared to go up the ladder regardless of the temptation for the fear of being beaten.

The Scientists then decided to substitute one of the monkeys and bring in a new monkey. The 1st thing this new monkey did was to go up the ladder to get the banana. Immediately the other monkeys beat him up.

After several beatings, the new member learned not to climb the ladder even though he never knew why.

A 2nd monkey from d original ones was substituted and a new monkey brought in. the same thing occurred. He climbed to get the banana. The 1st new monkey that was earlier beaten for trying to get the bananas, participated in the beating of the 2nd new monkey even though he didn't know why he was beating the new one. He did so because others were doing same.

A 3rd monkey was changed and the same was repeated (beating).

The 4th was substituted and the beating was repeated.

Finally, the 5th monkey was replaced.

What was left was a group of 5 monkeys that even though never received a cold shower, continued to beat up any monkey who attempted to climb the ladder.

If it was possible to ask the monkeys why they would beat up all those who attempted to go up the ladder ... I bet you the answer would be ... "I don't know — that's how things are done around here"

Does their actions sound familiar?


Source-
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/6828/was-the-experiment-with-five-monkeys-a-ladder-a-banana-and-a-water-spray-condu

For someone who copied word for word from that website and only added the last sentence "Does their actions sound familiar?" Yet did not know that it should have been DO instead of DOES and it should also have been LOOK instead of SOUND since you are talking about actions and not words so it should have been DO THEIR ACTIONS LOOK FAMILIAR?

based on my written observation I could say that your conclusion was arrived at due to either illiteracy or an inability to comprehend issues based on a deliberate hatred for Religion.

Hate does blind one from reality of their own flaws such as I have pointed out here.

OtemAtum:
Clifford Orji did more than ten years before he was nabbed. Are u aware of this?

Who is Clifford?

Catfishbilly (Billycatfish) I asked that you use serpentfishbilly but you rejected it. Keep on trying

OtemAtum:
so u think madness can't be faked? This one is an obvious fake.

For 10 years? That must have been some very PATIENT psychotic episode wouldn't you think so?

felixomor:
Wow.
This comment will benefit the atheist I was addressing, more.

You can say that again! I deliberately ignored the caterwauling bloke.

OtemAtum:
forget it man.

All I saw was some gibberish so didn't take note of it. Your philosophical position has been observed though.

OtemAtum:
My post about this so called miracle.

I ask again, which post?

OtemAtum:
Sorry, u sound exactly like Samuel that's why. So what have u to say about the rest of my post?

The rest of what posts?

adepeter2027:
I like the part you said "ACCORDING TO PEOPLE"

So, case closed

Yes and there are psychotic Men in your location with those names also ACCORDING TO YOU!

your case was closed even before you opened it.

OtemAtum:
Samuel, what if the so called witness is one of them? How do we know that the so-called nairalander witness isn't among the actors?

Here we go again. And who might Samuel be? You are the same one who asked me if I was female and I told you F beside my moniker represented Friday yeah?

adepeter2027:
I'm not trying to discredit the miracle as been fake or not. But something I want you to understand is; "THIS IS NIGERIA EVEN THO I'M AWARE OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A NIGERIAN FAKING BRITISH"

Not every mad person in Nigeria you see on the street are truly mad.

Now, I'm gonna cite live scenarios to you
1. Over here in Sokoto where I base, there is this so called "mad man" (previously and currently still mad, it's about 20yrs now) I know of by name AYAYA. If you see him, personal you won't believe he has iota of insanity in him. According to history, he was a soldier, but got mad as a result of the hard drug SOLDIERS do take. (NOW, FROM SOME OF THE TESTIMONIES ABOVE, SOMEONE SAID, IF YOU GIVE THIS SO CALLED MAD MAN BIG MONEY, HE WOULD REJECT IT. WHAT DOES THIS IMPLY?).

May I add that, AYAYA speaks English fluently.

2. In Ibadan, there was this so called mad man who uses people for ritual at SOKA. History has it that, they ve known him to be mad for Atleast 10yrs.
Unknown to the public, he's perfectly OK and Infact, he has children studying abroad.
Unfortunately, the veil was taken off people's face when they realized he was into ritual and they burnt him down.

So madam,,, this story can't be trusted

Whatever belief you wish to hold and be comfortable with go ahead and have fun with it.

Perhaps he was deliberately moving around in rags and unshaven and almost nude for about 10yrs (according to those who know him here)

Perhaps he also has deliberately rejected large monetary gifts and opted for less (according to another witness) Only an insane person would be offered FREE money in large sums and would turn them down for peanuts.

You can chatter on all you want but your position has already been discredited by LIVE WITNESSES! cheers!

zionmade1:
Hahahah atheists and shifting posts. For the first time many nairalanders are attesting to this miracle. i was surprised u didnt say that the pastor paid them to act as witnesses. Now u re asking if the guy knew him in 2015.
anyway where is catbillyfish is he not done consulting his medical books

He has been pouring through those books as catfishbilly, dogfishbilly, Lionfishbilly and I suggested serpentfishbilly.

I am also a medical personnel so I am waiting for his spontaneous remission theory.

When actual witnesses have spoken up. People who never knew this formerly psychotic man or are even in his location seem to think they know why and how this happened according to atheistic theories.

edicied:
anas calm down

Who is anas?

OtemAtum:
For how many years have u seen him mad? Was he mad in 2015?

A witness below:

mercylicious234: 4:33pm
God I thank you ooo.
I know that mad man. He has been mad for about ten years.
Jesus ooooooooo. Igwe.
See how young he actually is in the after pics.

This is real oooooo. Not acting

edicied:
I am not arguing with you. Me and spectacular we are trying to confirm something

You are trying to confirm. I am simply watching you do nothing in your attempts at confirmation.

Lionfishbilly you can try using serpentfishbilly that might work!

Catfishbilly (dogfishbilly) I can tell you are desperately trying to put up one of your medical journals in order to prove that this has a scientific explanation. Keep trying. I will be waiting!

While trying to do this also look for a journal that speaks on perfect timing and perfect scenario for spontaneous remission would you?

Ebubeze:
God is great indeed, I know him in Onitsha. God is moving around healing and spreading blessing to his people.

How sure are you that the healed man is same as the insane man in the pictures?

edicied:
It might be another stroy

One of them mentioned in the story has a facebook page. Reach out to them for further verification. He is one of the chairmen I think. Recognised him with the picture here.

https://m.facebook.com/honfitex.chukwudumjp

edicied:
No, they are saying the Mad man is the one they use to see no one here is making reference to the suppose healed man.

I have assisted you with your job.

mazimee:
This man has been mad even before I started my secondary school education at DMGS. He has a kind of hut like house near our school in those days. I was really shocked because I have known this man all my secondary school days.

Are you sure he is one and the same in the pictures of the healed and insane men?

Sheila5535:
I know this man...he was a popular mad man .this is true,God is indeed alive

How sure are you that the healed man in the picture is same as the insane man you claimed to know?

mercylicious234:
God I thank you ooo.
I know that mad man. He has been mad for about ten years.
Jesus ooooooooo. Igwe.
See how young he actually is in the after pics.

This is real oooooo. Not acting.

How sure are you that the healed man is same as the insane Man in the pictures?

Manbryto:
I know this man, he passes thru my shop and people gives him money all the time. If your give him big money he will reject the it and accept small money like #10, #20

Are you sure the healed man is same as the insane man in the picture?