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CoolUsername:
Besides all the things the poster just above me has said, I just want to add that not every atheist tells people to leave the church and many haven't left themselves.

Why haven't they left? What benefit could they possibly derive from being in a church when God is it's central discussion?

hopefulLandlord:
perhaps when water flows uphill

Water DOES flow uphill using the siphon or capillary effect.

The siphon effect has long been in use in ancient egypt since 30 BCE so I am surprised you never knew this in 2017 which is 2047 years afterwards. I wonder who it was who approved that comment of yours ignorantly yet you claim being knowledgeable of spiritual things when physical things still elude you.

So for 2047 years you have been ignorant! Wow just wow!

1StopRudeness:
You are one of those feminist...its hard to drive home a point with u.....u will always see it as an antagonistic move against women....
So because DNA exposes women..we should do it because it's not equal to exposing men as well ..the issue here isnt just cheating, it's concealing the product and forcing the man to raise it without him knowing...
The truth is... if a man is unfaithful which happens alot...and somehow his infidelity gets another woman pregnant..the man can never package that pregnancy or child for his wife as her own...she will be in the know..the decision is hers, to either forgive and continue or walk away from the marriage if she cannot see her self raise a child that isn't hers ....
But u women will keep it a secrete and let the man raise the child that isn't his...even some ladies that realize they are pregnant before marriage still go ahead and hide the fact from the new man man...going ahead with the marriage...just becos she doesn't wanna face the consequence of her actions....the stigmatising u are talking about is only the consequences of her actions she ran away from when she refused to tell her husband she got pregnant due to cheating

Those words in bold text are not true!

Since you also admit that men cheat A LOT where does their distrust emanate from? Its like saying men are proud cheats so women should either accept it or get lost. I am not a feminist even though i am female.

Niflheim:
@spacetacular,

NONE is particular to me, as there is no law which states that I must choose one that will be particular to me!!!

When i see pastors burning litle kids and claiming they are witches, i automatically switch to"misotheist"!!!

When scientifically illiterate nairalanders try to use Isaac Newton to prove god, I become a "physicalist" and a 'naturalist"!!!

When hypocritical christians ask me why i am listening to rock music, or oggling at a pretty lady..................................I switch to laveyan Satanism!!!

We do not have a 10 commandments like the christians, which says you should "honour your father", even though he were a child rapist!!!

So in a nutshell you are not an "Honest" atheist. Yet you call Christians Hypocritical. You are self explanatory so i do not need to hold a discussion with you. People have clearly seen right through you based on your comment. Thanks

Niflheim:
@spacetacular,

NONE is particular to me, as there is no law which states that I must choose one that will be particular to me!!!

When i see pastors burning litle kids and claiming they are witches, i automatically switch to"misotheist"!!!

When scientifically illiterate nairalanders try to use Isaac Newton to prove god, I become a "physicalist" and a 'naturalist"!!!

When hypocritical christians ask me why i am listening to rock music, or oggling at a pretty lady..................................I switch to laveyan Satanism!!!

We do not have a 10 commandments like the christians, which says you should "honour your father", even though he were a child rapist!!!

So in a nutshell you are not an "Honest" atheist. You are self explanatory so i do not need to hold a discussion with you. People have clearly seen right through you based on your comment. Thanks

Niflheim:
@spacetacular,

This might help you...............................

Adevist: The Indian Atheist who does not acknowledge the Hindu gods(Devas)!!!

Anthropotheist: One who believes that all gods are deified men!!!(great men who died and were eventually worshiped as gods)!!!

Apatheist: Don't give a Bleep whether religion exists and spreads or not!!! The "none of my business" attitude!!!

Dataist: The highest thing in nature, the most important thing we should cherish, is to store and pass on(upload) to the next generation!!!

Epicurean/Laveyan Satanist: Pleasure is the only thing we should live for!!! we must crave our indulgences!!!

Symbolic Luciferianism: Knowledge is the all and the key!!!

Misotheist: Intense hatred for all forms of religion!!!

Humanism: Love all your fellow human and charity work is the all!!!

Dystheist: The god concept is inherently evil!!!

Physicalist: Only the physical realm exists!!!(No men with chicken wings in the sky)

Naturalist: No such thing as the supewrnatural!!! All is natural!!!

Theological Non-cognivist: Arguing about gods is worth than useless, since the religious do not have a single definition of what a god is supposed to be!!!

Theothanatology: GOD IS DEAD!!!

I asked for that which is PARTICULAR to you and not a list.

As i sign off tonight i wish to leave these resounding thoughts here for people to read. (i am beginning to get a hang of this website )

There is a law known as the Law of diminishing returns and in a nutshell it is used to refer to a point at which the level of profits or benefits gained is less than the amount of money or energy invested.

In Christianity as we go forward we experience an increase in self value, inner strength, Increase in Joy, peace, and every other morally beneficial aspect of life plus an increase in a desire to love and live to love.

However in atheism what we have is the effect of this law of diminishing returns in full swing.

The longer they are atheist the more withdrawn they become. The more meaningless life begins to look and I have seen a lot of atheists ask the ULTIMATE QUESTION which is :

WHAT IS THE VALUE OF BEING BORN?
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF LIFE?
WHY DO WE LIVE SO WE CAN DIE?

and I have seen a lot arrive at a profound conclusion that LIFE IS MEANINGLESS.

Now a lot of these atheists subscribe to evolution but not creation. They do not subscribe to THE FIRST CAUSE . However since a lot of them believe in evolution, they see plants show proof of their value and how they guard themselves from predators BECAUSE they see MEANING in their existence.

For example A ROSE is so beautiful but had to develop thorns to protect itself from being eaten by animals.

Cactus plants see reason for existence hence their spines which protect them from animals.

Foxgloves produce several deadly chemicals namely Cardiac and steroidal glycosides whose ingestion can cause nausea, hallucinations, vomiting, convulsions and death. This is simply a defence mechanism because they see VALUE in their existence.

How about lower animals like reptiles? They have a vast array of defences from biting to playing possum to camouflage to autotomy.

All because THEY SEE VALUE IN THEMSELVES.

Atheism would take you eventually beneath the reasoning of plants or reptiles and all you see about yourself is simply A CREATURE OF ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNIFICANCE. THIS IS A WICKED DOWNWARD SPIRAL!

This is all its hyped up to be. And it's at this point we have seen people get carried away in either straight jackets or body bags.

What a way to live! What a way to die!

Cheers people and remember to Infuse your life with action. Don't wait for it to happen. Make it happen. Make your own future. Make your own hope. Make your own love. And whatever your beliefs, honor your creator, not by passively waiting for grace to come down from on high, but by doing what you can to make grace happen to you, right now, right down here on Earth.

1StopRudeness:
Yes! it's only men that will always call for DNA Test cos a man's infidelity can never lead to him bringing a wrong spermm home to his wife's body....why would a woman even clamour for a DNA test, if she slept with Just one man and gets pregnant why would she even think of it. its only women that can collect another spermm knowingly or unknowingly and still keep quiet about it not letting the husband know a huge mistake might have happened.
Sounds like u are bringing gender equality issues into this matter by saying it's a target against women.... ...You are just being sentimental and not seeing the issue for what it is...no matter how much u do that, when it comes to sex and infidelity issues and the result....men and women are completely different..

A mans infidelity can never lead him to bringing someone elses child into HIS HOME but he can give another woman OUTSIDE HIS HOME A CHILD TO TAKE TO HER HOME right?

I repeat DNA in some ways stigmatizes women because everyone sees her as a receptor. But did she also give and receive at the same time? When a man impregnates a woman whom he is not married to and she takes that pregnancy to her home and keeps mum about it who or what exposes the man? When DNA is brought in everyone forgets that A MAN ALSO PARTICIPATED.

bobowaja:
Because most things I was told failed logical tests - most of it preaches dogmatism. I am also convince that the universe did not come by accident. So I decided to know the true story about creation and the Supreme Being. Or is it a bad thing to do?

No its not a bad thing to do. However you also need to be aware that Logical reasoning is not entirely infallible especially when it is coming from a flawed or limited source.

What would make God meaningful to you is if you could first bring the understanding of his nature and his greatness into your small human frame.

Let me explain. You believe in creation and if you choose just an aspect of creation such as your body for instance it would always blow your mind at its beauty, purpose, functionality, togetherness, choice of strength and innate desire.

Are our feet simply made for walking or they are to get us to a place where purpose directs?
Are our hands simply meant for grabbing or holding or feeding or they are to help us build on our dreams and desires
etc

Somehow our earthly frame cannot contain the vastness of God so God had to give us a part of him to act as a buffer which is the holy spirit. So God is first downloaded to the Holy spirit and this holy spirit releases all about God little by little in a way we can handle.

I am just putting it out there that you cannot search when you may not know where to begin looking.

hopefulLandlord:
lol, at the end of the day she started mentioning cactus and straightjacket lol

I did begin that with "let me digress a little". It was a moment of revelation that came to me and when that comes I write it down.

Moving it now to where it can be read properly.

hopefulLandlord:
please stop this nonsense, if that empty sermon you gave up there was your end game, then I'm really disappointed, its dry and uninspiring

what you're doing is called preaching to the choir as it can only look good to those already favourably inclined to it

so cleaning blood is all "life meaning" lol, why not create a thread on that and let's see how it goes for you? I remember theists yapping on about it and couldn't give the objective meaning of life when pressed but only gave a subjective meaning lol, Dalaman can remember quite well, pages upon pages upon pages with no one being able to do that

I've always said that if belief in imaginary friends makes you feel better, kindly keep believing in them but don't expect others to join your delusion

You are hurt ! I can tell. I do not need your approval meter on anything I say or do. My reasons are satisfactory to me and me alone and as long as I am pleased about it, I am good.

My so called preaching to the choir has kept you returning here. It has brought all of your atheist colleagues here. It must have been effective if it ran for 10 pages thus far.

Life is like that. Curiosity keeps us going and gives us cause to live. But at some point atheism stops being curious but simply concludes. So what then is the essence of life to an atheist?

bobowaja:
So going by your word. Do you mean God hid himself? This is one of the reasons I neglected religion - it never answered my many questions. I was just told to belief whatever they told me and what was written which of cause doesn't answer my questions. Right now, I am on a journey to know the Supreme Being myself

I never said God Hid himself.

Do you agree that it's our seeker nature that brought about science? Or any form of development we have today?

The question is, why do we seek? Why do we even bother to know more? Why do we bother to understand?

It's like an inner push or pull not triggered by our brain. The brain simply calculates it but does not originate this deep craving for something bigger.

You say you are on a journey. Why?

It's because you crave it. Something in you will not stop craving it. Why is this so?

Student125:
Like I said before, you have already madeup ur mind to rubbish or disagree with any point raised here by 'atheist'. No correlation whatsoever with the OP and ur response. That made me conclude all you craved for was attention and you already got, hence I hope any reasonable nairaland will avoid ur future thread. Also, you are hell bent on believing u know it all. I hope you are correcting the queen's English too cuz you seems to know it more than anyone, I hope you can do same to your native language else .......xxxxx....
You are free to say anything, yes correct my english.
This will be my last response to the moniker spacetacular.

I never asked for your input did I? Neither did I invite you here did I?

If you failed to see why I did what I did and someone else could see it quickly (bobowaja) after a simple explanation then you are free to look the other way when you see any comment of mine.

I cannot miss someone I never knew.

bobowaja:
I get your point. Well understood.

Thank you for understanding it. I hope hopefullandlord does too and stops saying things like mediocrity simply because I (a human) kept him in the dark about why the story was injected.

If a simple human like me could prove the seeker status of man to him in such a simple way yet they still declare GOD DOES NOT EXIST Yet they still seek.

It's all absolute hilarity!

hopefulLandlord:
thank you, the thread descended into mediocrity

So say you of course

Simply because you couldn't see the big picture. I just showed it.

God is like that.

bobowaja:
Miss/Mrs spacetacular, I have gone through your thread and I have not seen where the link between your bloody scene and the question asked is located. You will do more to explain yourself.

Secondly, going through your thread I was disappointed. You as a learned woman should know that believing in spirituality doesn't amount to religion, there is a clear difference between the two. And about labeling people who don't belief in religion God/gods atheist, madam you are wrong there. People like me don't belief in religion but I know there is an intelligent being out there that designed all these things - I strongly belief in cause and effect and to me nothing comes by accident . So, with that will you label me an atheist or unbeliever? (I actually belief in higher being but not religion God). And in no where have I seen where religion is synonymous with the word believer .

And lastly, may I ask you why you are trying hard to protect and fight for your God? Is He not an omnipotent and omniscience as you guys posit Him to be?

Please live and let's live. Earth will be a more better place if we all can mind our business/businesses and love one another.

Good evening sister and other members in the room.

I NEVER labelled anyone. They labelled themselves. They volunteered themselves and their definitions and openly declared they are atheists. How then was I the one who labelled them?

My first incident inclusion was to show that man has a way of ALWAYS SEEKING. A few were insisting on knowing the correlation when it was a deliberate injection.

Man would always seek because that's who we are. We are seekers. Until we find what we seek we never stop.

Where did you see me fighting for God? I never did and never have. I was just discussing.

Let me digress a bit in aid of my atheist friends.

There is a law known as the Law of diminishing returns and in a nutshell it is used to refer to a point at which the level of profits or benefits gained is less than the amount of money or energy invested.

In Christianity as we go forward we experience an increase in self value, inner strength, Increase in Joy, peace, and every other morally beneficial aspect of life plus an increase in a desire to love and live to love.

However in atheism what we have is the effect of this law of diminishing returns in full swing.

The longer they are atheist the more withdrawn they become. The more meaningless life begins to look and I have seen a lot of atheists ask the ULTIMATE QUESTION which is :

WHAT IS THE VALUE OF BEING BORN?
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF LIFE?
WHY DO WE LIVE SO WE CAN DIE?

and I have seen a lot arrive at a profound conclusion that LIFE IS MEANINGLESS.

Now a lot of these atheists subscribe to evolution but not creation. They do not subscribe to THE FIRST CAUSE . However since a lot of them believe in evolution, they see plants show proof of their value and how they guard themselves from predators BECAUSE they see MEANING in their existence.

For example A ROSE is so beautiful but had to develop thorns to protect itself from being eaten by animals.

Cactus plants see reason for existence hence their spines which protect them from animals.

Foxgloves produce several deadly chemicals namely Cardiac and steroidal glycosides whose ingestion can cause nausea, hallucinations, vomiting, convulsions and death. This is simply a defence mechanism because they see VALUE in their existence.

How about lower animals like reptiles? They have a vast array of defences from biting to playing possum to camouflage to autotomy.

All because THEY SEE VALUE IN THEMSELVES.

Atheism would take you eventually beneath the reasoning of plants or reptiles and all you see about yourself is simply A CREATURE OF ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNIFICANCE.

This is all its hyped up to be. And it's at this point we have seen people get carried away in either straight jackets or body bags.

What a way to live!

branhampaul:
so why could you not answer them.. atleast atheists here answered your irrelevant questions.

And yours is somehow "relevant" right?

Hey Jackbizzle this right here is what a debate ought to be and not your sorry excuse for one.

Loving it!

I see someone being dodgy on "nothing". Good stuff here.

CatfishBilly:
Sure, fraud by pained theists, but nothing by actual scientific journals.
It hurts to see your private visual and auditory hallucination and ego massage sessions debunked don't it?
That's why y'all are running around shouting fraud where it is nowhere to be found.

Let me make this simple for you. Can an unscientific mind give a scientific appraisal?

Can a non religious mind give a religious appraisal?

The answer to both is NO!

So how would a Scientific journal appraise prayer when even you claim SCIENCE IS NOT RELIGION AND RELIGION CANNOT MERGE WITH SCIENCE. Last time I checked PRAYER IS AN ASPECT OF RELIGION.

isn't that your own claim or the claims of atheists as a whole?

branhampaul:
so why are you running from people's question?? troller!

You mean you not PEOPLE.

What has location or religion or nationality got to do with natural disasters and Wars and everything else that is human caused? Are the people all over the world regardless of religion and nationality not human?

CatfishBilly:
Why are you moving the goalposts?
Show me a reputable scientific journal that called the research a fraud. Stop running about. If a research is a fraud, a scientific journal calls it out, not pained theists.


You asked for my own personal research and conclusion and I submitted them, did I ever call it scientific?
What is wrong with you?

You never had a goal post to begin with. Your Templeton study has been exposed as the fraud it is.

Your claims are unverifiable. Same thing you do to theists.

branhampaul:
your the one dodging my question.. so your the one deceiving yourself.! just how theist always behave when they can't prove what they claimed.. its obvious.

No theist has claimed anything on this thread. Only atheists have without any shred of verifiable personal proof.

So how can we prove what we did not assert?

branhampaul:
runaway!

I am quite content with reading comments and not having mine responded to. I am not addicted to this place unlike some of you here.

felixomor:
LMAO
She saw it

I did but felt it wasn't worth my attention. People "proof read" he obviously doesn't.

branhampaul:
Troller. I doubt next time you ask any question on nairaland a reasonable person will answer you. u keep asking questions but can't answer people's questions.. keep trolling.!

People fear what they cannot understand. So I know why you are this way.

CatfishBilly:
It's now a fraud?
Show me a reputable scientific journal that called it a fraud apart from pained theists after their private auditory and visual hallucinations sessions was debunked.

Your students didn't evaluate prayers alone as you would want us to believe. We read the excerpts you posted.

As for something I personally conducted, I have a whole thread I opened.
You've read the thread before, did it slip your mind?

You first of all said your reputable scientific journals confirmed your prayer fraud yet you wrote about your experience here on Nairaland. Is Nairaland a "reputable scientific journal"?

How can we verify?

branhampaul:
i see!. keep giving excuses.. Keep Trolling.!

Prove me wrong by first defending your reason for becoming an atheist then I might consider joining your group of "critical" thinkers

branhampaul:
Pricador, hahaha, join my fb group "AFRICA CRITICAL THINKERS".

If by critical thinkers you mean using does in place of do and not seeing anything wrong with it then I'll pass.

CatfishBilly:
I've got proof. A scientific study that was run by a religious foundation, a university and a hospital.
You don't want to accept it, that's your problem.

And I have shown that your proof IS A FRAUD!

I also showed you a credible study that shows how prayer and spirituality is now being made a part of medicine. I think prayer and spirituality now being accepted and conducted in 101 out of 135 medical schools in the USA alone is extremely significant wouldn't you say so?

show me something else. Perhaps something you personally conducted Afterall you did not become an atheist on the same day and based on the same reasons as hopefullandlord. So it's only logical that you have your own findings.

branhampaul:

Confused?

CatfishBilly:
It doesn't matter to which deity.
Prayers don't work. End of story.
Don't come and tell me your anecdotes, I won't even entertain them.
If you've got proof, bring a research paper where prayer alone was tested with a control group.
I'm waiting.

Again the finality. PRAYERS DON'T WORK!

where is your report on your foray to all the hospitals worldwide and all the homes worldwide or even your interview of each and every religious individual worldwide that made you arrive at this?

You are the one making the claim without evidence and you are asking someone else to provide his proof?

Are you for real?