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KNOWMORE56:
I don't do oil things in my relationship with God...I don't like to pray with it.

My question is why do people using oil for prayer don't make use of palm kernel oil or any other oil?

This post is not about what people do with oil
Or what kind of oil people should pray with.

This post is about the SPIRITUAL Experiences
That people have (enabled by the Holy) Spirit and not PHYSICAL OIL that people pray with.

It's not about the oily things people do
It's about the Spiritual things that God does with people.

webhead:
Good day sir,

I often feel heat in my heart whenever I read the bible or christian books.

Weirdly, this also happens when I listen to worldly music or watch worldly movies.

These never happened to me before I gave my life to Jesus.

What does this mean sir??

Sorry that It took time before replying you.
Please I would like to apologize to you for what that poster with the name "KOBOJUNKIE" did.
Please learn to ignore him on this post next time.

Now the experience of heat on your heart is a call for CONSECRATION .

Consecrate your self to God.
Shun worldly music
When you feel that fire on your heart when you are listening to worldly music - it is actually a sign that the fire is dissipating, evaporating, and reducing.

And this would lead to you not feeling it anymore if you don't Consecrate yourself.

What led to the fire is the things of God that you gave yourself to, and anytime you hear godly and reviving christian sermons the fire would intensify .

I'm talking you the things that are going on with me,
I am experiencing the fire on my heart too, and I could feel it right now even as I'm typing this reply to you.

I gave myself to consecration, and that has shaped my life in christ, and you will do yourself good to also Consecrate yourself to God, and get into relationship with the holy spirit.

Seek to know the holy spirit more.
Delight yourself in the presence of God
Give yourself to prayer, the Word of God, and walk in obedience.

This scripture talks about that fire you are feeling in your heart, and that is the origin.

Take Time and read carefully

Luke 24:13-32
[13]Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem.
[14]And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
[15]So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them.
[16]But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.
[17]And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”
[18]Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”
[19]And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people,
[20]and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him.
[21]But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.
[22]Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us.
[23]When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive.
[24]And certain of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said; but Him they did not see.”
[25]Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
[26]Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”
[27]And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. The Disciples’ Eyes Opened
[28]Then they drew near to the village where they were going, and He indicated that He would have gone farther.
[29]But they constrained Him, saying, “Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.” And He went in to stay with them.
[30]Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them.
[31]Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.
[32]And they said to one another, “did not OUR HEART BURN WITHIN US while He talked with us on the road, and while HE OPENED the SCRIPTURES TO US ?”

IT IS A CONVICTING FIRE
IT A REVIVING FIRE

IF YOU ALLOW IT BURN WITHIN YOUR HEART

YOUR WORLD WILL BURN IN THE HEART OF MEN
CONVICTING THEM
REVIVING THEM.

As it is written

Jeremiah 5:14
[14]Therefore thus says the Lord God of hosts: “Because you speak this word, Behold, I will make My words in your mouth fire, And this people wood, And it shall devour them.


THINK ABOUT IT

If you felt oil dripping on your head this is what it means.

This scripture talks about it

Luke 4:18-19
[18]“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
[19]To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

Kobojunkie:
He is simply who He says He is.

Who do you say he is?

AntiChristian:
He exist, this we are sure! And of cos, He is the creator of all that exists.

He created death and destined all to die after this lifetime expires according to their destinies. Even Jesus is not free from dying. He blesses whoever He wills and He punishes whoever He wills.

My LORD is not subject to His creations. He does not sleep nor slumber. Far is He from dying as His existence is continuous. Most of all this names are derogatory and shows weakness in your God. My LORD is not ancient of days. He does not grow old. He does not need partners. He does not die. He does not share Himself in to three. He needs no human blood to save his creations.

It's not about what you say or think or claim
IT IS ABOUT WHAT IS THE TRUTH, THE REALITY AND THE LIFE

AntiChristian:
Allah says what means:
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
Qur'an 3:85

John 12:44-48
[44]Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
[45]And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.
[46]I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.
[47]And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
[48]He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

KNOWMORE56:
More questions...
I have always wondered why many people ( I don't want to say all) with these experiences often indulge in sexual immortality?

2. Are these feelings the certification that somebody is in good relationship with God?

Yes you are somehow correct on your first question.
Many of those who walk in this graces battle with immorality because the devil won't fight you if you have nothing to offer.

Immorality weakens the manifestation of the Spirit in someone's life, and might lead to become lukewarm or losing the grace at the end.

Coming to your second question :
The fact that you experience these things doesn't mean you are in good terms with God.
God honors the Labours of men whether they are good people or bad.
That's why there are many anointed, and very powerful men of God today whose life are not in conformity with the ways of God.

There are many who are highly gifted with spiritual graces but the works of their hands are evil, but still they manifest power in an overwhelming degree - they even grow in the anointing.
As it is written
Matthew 7:22-23
[22]Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
[23]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

But to make a balance,
The manifestations of these things are somehow signifying that a person has done business with the SECRET PLACE and God is rewarding them in the open.

Some people didn't practice the presence of God, they are sinners, but they receive this things as impartion from anointed men of God.

It's important for one to have something with which (or by which) one would reveal the reality of God to one's generation.
Men are looking for evidence of the reality of God, and not talk.

So these are some of the evidences that we indeed serve a living God, and our God is the I AM THAT I AM.
For he himself said

Isaiah 43:10-12
[10]“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
[11]I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.
[12]I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, And there was no foreign god among you; Therefore you are My witnesses,” Says the Lord, “that I am God.


WE NEED POWER
BECAUSE UNLESS SOME PEOPLE SEE THE POWER OF OUR GOD MANIFEST THROUGH US THEY WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN HIM
SO WE NEED POWER BECAUSE

WE ARE HIS WITNESSES THAT HE IS GOD

If you felt literal oil glued to your tongue
Then the lord had put his words in your mouth like Jeremiah .

Jeremiah 1:4-10
[4]Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying:
[5]“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”
[6]Then said I: “Ah, Lord God! Behold, I cannot speak, for I am a youth.”
[7]But the Lord said to me: “Do not say, ‘I am a youth,’ For you shall go to all to whom I send you, And whatever I command you, you shall speak.
[8]Do not be afraid of their faces, For I am with you to deliver you,” says the Lord.
[9]THEN the LORD PUT FORTH HIS HAND and TOUCHED my MOUTH , and the Lord said to me: “Behold, I have PUT My WORDS in YOUR MOUTH .
[10]See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms, To root out and to pull down, To destroy and to throw down, To build and to plant.”

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AntiChristian:
Well, I believe in Allah, the creator of Jesus and all other Messengers. I also believe Jesus is a man 100% and God 0%.

It is not what you believe that is the problem, but it is weather he in whom you believe ever exist, whether he is the creator of the heavens and the earth.
Wether he can save you from death, 
wether he has the keys of death and hades, Wether he can deliver your soul from death and hades, Wether he his the king of glory to whom the eternal gates of zion open for on their own accord,
Wether he is the I AM THAT I AM ,

THE ANCIENT OF DAYS, THE BEGINING AND THE END, Wether that one in whom you believe is not falsehood but THE FAITHUL AND TRUE,
THE MYSTERY OF ALL AGES, THE ETERNAL HOLY SPIRIT, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE LAMB UPON MOUNT ZION WHO REDEEMED MANKIND BY HIS OWN BLOOD, WHO DIED, AND IS NOW ALIVE FOREVERMORE.

ASK YOUR SELF WETHER HE IS THE ONE, IF NOT START SEEKING THE TRUTH SO THAT YOU EYES MAY NOT BE SHOCKED BY THE THINGS IT WOULD SEE,
so that your ears might not be troubled by the things it would hear, so that your legs may not tremble, so that your heart may not be troubled, WHEN YOU STAND on the day of judgment BEFORE the throne of the TRUE  GOD  and seeing

"THAT ONE IN WHOM YOU TRUST "

ALSO  STANDING TO BE JUDGE BY THAT THE ONE YOU are REJECTING now
SO THAT YOUR SOUL MAY NOT SHARE IN THE  LAMENTATIONS  THE SORROWING  OF THAT DREADFUL DAY.

I PRAY THAT GOD WOULD HAVE MERCY ON YOU, AND CAUSE HIS LIGHT TO SHINE UPON YOUR HEART SO that you CAN SEE THAT THESE WORDS ARE THE WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE AND NOT DECEPTION.

PEACE

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AntiChristian:
Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacre.



It seem it gets from bad to worse!

1 Kings 13:1-2
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."

Very sick indeed.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

[b] So you can beat your slave as much as you like, just make sure IT doesn't die, and I call the slave it since a slave is a mere possession according to the Bible.[

All you quoted have already played there own path, and they are shadows of things to come.
God revealed to man the problems man has through the laws in the old tastement, but he brought cure for that problem to man has a free gift giving by grace through faith to anyone who would receive.

It is not like those who go around forcing men into believing by the edge of the sword.

The fruit that we Christians bears today speak for us, and the fruits that the children of the bond woman bears today also speak for them.
Don't judge me  by my words alone but let my actions also determine how you judge me
And let it be the same to you, and let see you would be justified either it is the peace loving Christian or the infidel hating and killing children kedar.
ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS

Nekky5:
Thank you for these revelations. Mine is that i feel something like goose sensations all over me whenever am deep in prayers and worship. What does it mean? I also desire the gift of tongues.how do I go about it?

Thirdly MA.

For you to have a first hand experience of tongue , I would like you to (PLEASE) take patience and practice what I'm about to tell you because that how I first began to speak (pray) in tongue, and I'm extending the same thing to you now .

1. Get a an exercise book and name it "BOOK OF PRAYER REQUEST ."
Write "I WANT THE LORD TO BAPTIZE ME WITH THE holy spirit AND FIRE (not just holy spirit alone but HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE) as your first prayer request.
The reason for this is to register it in consciousness, and keep a track record of your progress in prayer.

2. Create a time when there would be no one to distract you while praying.

3 . Take your bible and meditate on this scriptures for at least 1hour
Luke 3:16
[16]John answered them all by saying, I baptize you with water; but He Who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of Whose sandals I am not fit to unfasten. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

And also.
Acts 2:1-4
[1]When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
[3]Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.
[4]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

4. After meditating
Then start praying immediately, and make sure you exercise faith (not just have faith but EXERCISE THE FAITH YOU HAVE)
and pray very brutal asking the lord in prayers to baptize you with the holy spirit, AND FIRE (make sure you say "HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE)

confess this words while you pray :
Say ," HAS MANY HAS BELIEVED IN HIM HE GAVE THE POWER TO BECOME THE CHILDREN OF GOD "
and keep confessing till it happens.

Sing this song - COME HOLY SPIRIT COME LIKE THE DAY OF PENTECOST, COME DWELL IN MY HEART, AND MAKE MY HEART YOUR DWELLING PLACE, JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF THE APOSTLES COME HOLY SPIRIT COME AND GIVE ME YOUR POWER"

make sure you sing that hymn continuously after praying.

Now after all doing these SIT DOWN SILENTLY WHERE YOU PRAY(after praying) TO RECEIVE THE BAPTISM, if you didn't receive it while praying.

If nothing happens the first day continue praying the days after, and don't be discouraged but keep asking in faith.

And when the holy spirit comes on you the first thing you will know is that YOUR BODY WILL BE ON FIRE AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR SELF FOR SOMETIMES, the next thing again is YOU WILL START SPEAKING IN TONGUE (automatically) WITHOUT YOUR WILL, then after sometimes it would stop,
The next thing you will feel is PEACE THAT SURPARSES ALL UNDERSTANDING

Nekky5:
Thank you for these revelations. Mine is that i feel something like goose sensations all over me whenever am deep in prayers and worship. What does it mean? I also desire the gift of tongues.how do I go about it?

Sorry that it took long before I replied to your comment.
I was strolling through the post yesterday when I came across your comment, I never knew you were among those who commented earlier.

I wrote a reply to your questions, and only for me to round it up - my phone suddenly went off. I was notified by nairaland that you sent me an email but unfortunately I couldn't access my email box.
So I will like to apologize once again.


Now coming to your questions.

You said you use to feel "A GOOSE SENSATION" while praying or worship
And I felt something about that in my spirit.

But so as to accurately discern what you mean, I will like you to SUBSTANCIATE, AND ELABORATE MORE ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY "GOOSE SENSATION".

secondly you said you want the gift of tongues - IT IS GOD WHO GIVES THE GIFT AND NOT MAN.

Now I would like to call your attention that there are three (3) different types or manifestations of tongues

1 . speaking in TONGUE while praying.
That is praying to God by using the Spirit language of TONGUE (SPEAKING IN TONGUE) instead of the language you can understand.


2. Speaking in TONGUE when the Spirit of God as a spirit of prophecy
(not the gift of prophecy, not the Calling of a prophet) comes upon someone while in church when God want to speak to the church through one of the members in order to edify and strengthen up the church.

3. Speaking in TONGUES (one of the languages spoken in this world.
example =Arabic)
When the holy spirit gives you the gift (the ability) to supernaturally speak that language without you knowing the language beforehand.

Now I perceive that it is not the second one or third one that you want, but it's (the first one) that type people speak while praying that you want.

Now if it's the first one
All you need to do is PRAY THAT GOD BAPTISIZES YOU WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND YOU CAN START SPEAKING (praying) IN TONGUE IMMEDIATELY.

This kind of tongue doesn't need interpretation, because it's God that you praying to, so you don't need to interpret what you are saying to God, nor to yourself because you are not praying to yourself but to God.

Some people thinks it is the holy spirit that will Pray in tongues through them (so they are waiting for him to pray through them, but they don't know that it's them that will Pray in the Spirit, and not the Spirit That will open their mouth to pray in them.

If you already have the holy spirit dwelling In you then just go ahead and open your mouth and pray, stop waiting for the holy spirit to open your mouth and pray for you, instead you begin to exercise yourself and pray in tongues.


To have more understanding concerning the topic of tongues please check out this post below.
Click on them and read carefully.


‍Part 1
https://www.nairaland.com/6666676/diffrences-btwn-speaking-tongue-praying#105158023
Part 2
‍https://www.nairaland.com/6718888/difrences-btwn-speaking-tongueprayingand-speaking#105158281

AntiChristian:
Which laws does your King make that He is subjected to?




Allah created humans, Jinn and every other thing that exists! The Angels do not disobey Allah in His commands according to the Islamic belief unlike man and Jinn who have freewill.

Allah is not a human nor a Jinn nor any of His creations! So He is not subjected to the rulings of His creation!

Are you saying angels don't have freewill and are programed like robots so they won't sin?

Secondly, I wasn't talking about the law of God's creation but the laws that God himself put in place in his own realm (jannah)
Because there is no Lawlessness in jannah

MaxInDHouse:
The problem you have is the translation you're using!

And when that one comes, he will give the world CONVINCING EVIDENCE concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: John 16:8

God's Holy Spirit will never speak to or through any unbeliever after Pentecost because God only promise that His spirit will deal only with those who enter into the New Covenant {Joel 2:28-30 compare to Act 2:16-18} but God's Holy Spirit will dwell in the midst of true believers so that unbelievers can SEE the EVIDENCE that the believers have something unique! Matthew 5:13-16


So your assumption that God's Holy Spirit will convince unbelievers is a misconception!

You said [b]And when that one comes, HE WILL GIVE the world CONVINCING EVIDENCE concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: John 16:8[/b

HE WILL GIVE and not BELIEVERS WILL GIVE

So why are you contradicting yourself still?

The issue isn't my translation but your man made doctrine, and the traditions of men that makes the word of God of no effect.

As it is written

Matthew 15:8-9
[8]‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me.
[9]And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN .’ ”

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AntiChristian:
The question you should ask is why Yahweh did the followings in red

You should ask yourself what he did in red upon the cross of calvary, and go to the pool of Salim where your spiritual  blindness can be cured

There are different operations of the Spirit that were not included in the list I penned down on the post so if you're reading this post, and you have any question please be free to ask

SPTruth:
May God bless you immensely for this thread. I also feel good knowing I am not the only one experiencing such encounters. What does it mean for ones palms to shake vigorously during prayers? at times both palms or just the right or left palms? Also, please don't destroy your beautiful thread by arguing with that fellow on a mission to destroy your thread. this thread will be referenced by many in years to come, please don't indulge him by replying him, it will spoil the
sanctimony of this thread.

Thank you for the encouragement sir.

I have heard of The hand shaking experience.

I myself do run sometimes while praying from wall to wall in my room when I'm high in the Spirit.
sometimes I would began to move in combat mode (as if fighting with an invisible enemy)
My hands would take a folding form as if holding a sword, and after sometimes my palms would become so hot as if a coal of fire was therein, and if I use it to touch my skin it burns hot.

Sometimes
After writing what I learnt from Bible study
Two of my fingers would be hot, and even after I finished writing I could still feel the heat
It reached a time that even when I'm not writing I still feel the fiery sensation on the two (sometimes three) fingers.
And I knew it a grace for writing sermons (having giving myself to writing what I learnt for long)
But a time came I stopped written and the sensation stop, because when you stop they stop, if you continue they continue

(God doesn't take his gifts and calling back)

and sometimes I do leap too (as if I wanted to fly) while praying.

I never new the Meaning of the leaping until I had a dream where I saw myself walking on a lonely road at night, and suddenly I started LEAPING IN THE DREAM LIKE I USE TO DO WHILE PRAYING , and the next thing that happened was that I started ascending torward the sky to the heavens without having a feather .
As it is written

Psalms 24:3
[3]Who may ASCEND INTO the hill of the Lord? Or who may stand in His holy place?

So what I deduce from that the experience I had in the dream was that
THE LEAPING I USED TO LEAP SOMETIMES WHILE PRAYING SIGNIFIES THAT " I WAS ACENDING IN THE SPIRIT "

So every time that happens I knew I'm beginning to ascend in the Spirit.

Sometimes when I am high in the Spirit I do lift my legs or arms torwads heaven for long without getting weary in time.

Sometimes I would just began to laugh sporadically like - HAHAHA HAHAHA haha HAHAHA haha HAHAHA.
THE MANIFESTATION OF THIS LAUGHTER IS NOT DDMONIC AS SOME PEOPLE SAY.
IT AN OPERATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

The Bible says
Romans 5:5
[5]Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been POURED out IN our HEARTS BY the Holy SPIRIT who was given to us.
It also said.

Psalms 2:2-4
[2]The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
[3]“Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.”
[4]He who sits in the heavens shall LAUGH ; The Lord shall hold them in derision.


So all this signifies an operation in the Spirit.

Now back to your experience

When someone is electrocated by electricity there is a vibration that goes through the body,
Same way when the power of the Spirit surge into you there would be a vibration.

This scripture below explained that experience accurately and plainly
Take a look.
Daniel 10:10
[10]SUDDENLY , A HAND TOUCHED ME , which MADE ME TREMBLE on MY KNEES AND on THE PALMS OF MY HANDS .

TO FULLY COMPREHEND THIS :I WILL ADVICE YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE BOOK TITLED -
"he touched me" by Benny Hinn

Don't wait till you perish before you start seeking for the truth

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is God's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of God. [b]His is God over those who belong in His Kingdo[/b]m and declared to you those who belong to Him are those who do as He commands.

Ruminate on the above statements and then maybe you can see the foolishnesss of what you are attempting to do here which is counter God's ruling in His Kingdom by submitting instead the opinions of men which supposedly stand against God's own declaration.

What is God's ruling?
What is the opinion of men?
Between me and you: who is it that quoted what God's ruling is
And who was the one who brought in the opinion of men?

Stop this deception, and save your soul

haekymbahd:
well it's ok if you don't but I personally do beleive he was the comforter to come because the holy spirit had already been in existence already. But it is ok if you don't believe it's fine..

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What made you believe he was the comforter?

You said the holy spirit was already present, but that not true.

The holy spirit was dwelling in the people of God but in only few people who are called to acquire certain offices.

But today the dwelling of the holy spirit is not only for those who acquire offices but for all who believes

Iceg:
Thanks for this sir ,really helpful , but I see myself more of a teacher of the word based on the revelations have had from God

Yeah.
The teachers ministry must time is tied together to one of the offices of the five fold Ministry.
Eg.
Some people are pastor and teacher at the same time.
Even an evangelist can also be a teacher, because the teaching ministry is also somehow tied to the remaining four offices.

Although there are people who have the special anointing of a teacher.

I will advice you to seek the face of God once more concerning your ordination because based on the experiences you claim to have, those are signs of a missionary evangelist.

But it's better to follow the conviction of the holy spirit that is inside you than the advice of men sometimes.

So seek God once more for a more clearer revelation.

Kobojunkie:
Again.. Jesus Christ said it is only when you use the understanding that you will receive more... those who do not use the understanding they have will have even the little they had of the Kingdom of God taken from them - Matthew 13 vs 10 - 12

1. Jesus Christ never taught His followers to attack unbelievers nor condemn them in His name.



2. Jesus Christ taught His followers that lust in one's heart after a woman , which He termed 'adultery' is what is sexual. He never taught us that such things as masturbation, lesbianism, homosexuality, LGBTQ are sins... no, He was clear that what is instead sin is the lust in our hearts after a woman- Matthew 5 vs 27 - 30

3. You show love to others by your yourself living in continual submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Law and Covenant agreement He made with each one who beloved in Jesus Christ and enters into the Kingdom of God.

The scripture I quoted is not my teaching, it's from the Bible, so make an exegesis on what those verses I quoted stands for, instead of being sentimental with love.

There is no love without truth
Where there is no truth there is no love even if there is LUST there.

Lust is not love

Kobojunkie:
Since you pretend to know better, then show us where, in the Gospels, Jesus Christ declared gayness as sin.
You should have no problem countering what I have said so far as far as what Jesus Christ, God's very own Law, declared on the issue.

I never knew this was where you coming from.
You should have told me that you are an enthusiast of the LGBT community, and that would have made our discussion soar to the right place where such topics belong.

Don't use christianity to justify your lust, instead play the advocate of them whom you are defending directly instead of maneuvering into christianity just to garner sentiments.

Read the scriptures below for yourself

Romans 1:26-27
[26]For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
[27]Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

awesome reply up there

haekymbahd:
well it's ok if you don't but I personally do beleive he was the comforter to come because the holy spirit had already been in existence already. But it is ok if you don't believe it's fine..

How is the Islamic prophet the comforter when christ said the comforter will ABIDE with YOU FOREVER?
Christ called the comforter a spirit, and said the world can't know him.

Last time I checked the prophet is a human, and the fact that you and I know his name has made it clear that he is known by the world.
The reason why you are not a christian today or haven't converted to christianity is because you don't know the comforter, but you know the prophet.


John 14:16-17
[16]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that HE may ABIDE WITH YOU FOR EVER ;
[17]Even the SPIRIT of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it SEETH HIM NOT , NEITHER KNOWETH HIM : but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I know muhammadin and you know him also
I know the parakletos but you don't know him

MaxInDHouse:
CONVICT differs from CONVINCE.
Of course it's after the Holy Spirit has worked out fine qualities in the gathering of God's people that unbelievers will shamelessly admit that true Christians have something unique! John 13:34-35

Where you're getting it wrong is thinking God's spirit will convince the unbeliever to believe God's word. If that's the case then everyone supposed to believe in God after all it's God himself that will convince them not what they're hearing from christians!

Jesus preached, taught people and performed the greatest miracles the world has ever seen throughout Israel for three and a half years but what does he have to show for it? Only 500 became believers!

If it's God's Holy Spirit that's convincing all those listening to him then what happened to the rest of the people most especially many of his disciples that stopped following him? John 6:66

My friend, the Holy Spirit only works with the believers so the unbelievers are left with their God's given conscience! Romans 1:20

Spell out what the scriptures you quoted says, and leave philosophies, and man made doctrines behind.
At least you should have refute the scriptures that I quoted earlier which says the holy spirit do convict the world.

If you disagree with the scriptures then with what would you agree?

Argue with clearly spelled out scriptures if you have any important thing to say if not let's talk about how we can edify each other extend of arguing, since you disagreed with what the Lord himself said.

It's a waste of time to keep arguing.
I want to learn and also teach others.
I don't want to learn from those who are not in conformity with the mind of God, but the philosophies of men.

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AntiChristian:
Yeah Allah created us to worship Him alone without partners! He sure created the Angels to obey Him alone too. You are right in some ways some wars are offensive, some defensive and usually it was between the Muslims and the disbelievers.

Wether war is offensive or not war is war, and he didn't come down to fight by himself even though you claimed he is all powerful, so this has convicted you that even though God is
ALL -  POWERFUL  he showcases his greatly through men sometimes.

And you have done well to agree

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AntiChristian:
The king is the law maker. He is not bound to the law. This King needs no son to function. He needs no helper/ no wife/ no partner in His dominion!

The king is the lawmaker and why makes laws is because he doesn't want Lawlessness.
If he is not bound to laws neither would it be necessary for his subjects to be bounds to it,
They can go on and be lawless, because the laws of a kingdom are reflections of the mind, will, purposes of the King which are enacted to become the predominant lifestyle of the people.
If Allah is not bound by laws then is there Lawlessness in jannah?
Even though he is not bound by the laws, has he broken the laws?
If God almighty break his own laws, how then do you think his subjects who are mere mortals  won't break it either ?
If he breaks it because he is God how much more would his subjects break the laws because they are weaker vessel?

My friend think meditate, and seek the truth while it can still be found

4tunebest:
Thank you so much. I am deeply grateful beyond what words can describe.
I believe the Lord might have led you to create this thread to confirm certain things He has been drawing my attention to in recent times

Please concerning the dew as you mentioned it, do you mean it in literal terms or figuratively. I usually feel as if there's a wet substance on the fore part of my hair just in front of my head. I started having this feeling since January last year when the Lord instructed me to do away with artificial attachments on my head and stick strictly with my natural hair. This feeling I am describing is usually felt at least once a week, even when I am not praying. I never really understood what it meant. I will put my hands to dust out whatever it was on my hair, only to discover that I can't feel anything with my hands.
Please help me understand is that the dew you were referring to or is it the anointing? as I never really took that feeling seriously as it also happens even when I am not praying.

Thank you very much for your time. God bless you

Yes the dew is literal and not figurative.
You would feel fall on you and yet you won't be wet.

Sing praises to God alot and it will intensify
But don't let your praise be because of the dew but praise God for who he is, so that you praises can be accepted as an act of worship.

The reason for the the is hunger and thirst for the presence of God.
Intercessors who are dedicated would walk under open heaven, and would have strange experiences.

A time would come you would feel the water in your mouth , even when you are not praying.
But prayer and praise intensifies this manifestation.
Read the scriptures below
Isaiah 44:3-4
[3]For I will POUR WATER on him who is THIRSTY , And floods on the dry ground; I will pour My Spirit on your descendants, And My blessing on your offspring;
[4]They will spring up among the grass Like willows by the watercourses.’

Ezekiel 47:1,6-12
[1]Then he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was water, flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east, for the front of the temple faced east; the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar.
[6]He said to me, “Son of man, have you seen this? ” Then he brought me and returned me to the bank of the river.
[7]When I returned, there, along the bank of the river, were very many trees on one side and the other.
[8]Then he said to me: “This water flows toward the eastern region, goes down into the valley, and enters the sea. When it reaches the sea, its waters are healed.
[9]And it shall be that every living thing that moves, wherever the rivers go, will live. There will be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters go there; for they will be healed, and everything will live wherever the river goes.
[10]It shall be that fishermen will stand by it from En Gedi to En Eglaim; they will be places for spreading their nets. Their fish will be of the same kinds as the fish of the Great Sea, exceedingly many.
[11]But its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be given over to salt.
[12]Along the bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food; their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. They will bear fruit every month, because their water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine.”


Revelation 22:1-2,16-17
[1]And he showed me a pure RIVER of WATER of LIFE , clear as crystal, PROCEEDING from the THRONE of GOD and of the Lamb.
[2]In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The LEAVES of the tree were for the HEALING of the NATIONS .

[17]And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who THIRSTS come. Whoever desires, let him take the WATER of life FREELY . A Warning.

All these scriptures are talking about the same water, and how to have a drink is to THIRST FOR THE PRESENCE OF GOD,
IN PRAYER, FASTING, MEDITATING THE SCRIPTURES, singing PRAISES , AND WORSHIP, INTERCEEDING FOR THE HEALING (salvation) OF THE NATIONS and WAITING UPON THE LORD . etcetera
With a right motive: not because you want the water but because you want, and thirst after God.

MaxInDHouse:
The Apostles could say God's Spirit is speaking through them, they were talking to the people in the congregation who already BELIEVE that God is using the Apostles as the Spirit is working miraculously in the midst of the Congregation through the hands of the Apostles. So when they say God's Holy Spirit is speaking they meant this is God's message to them since the Bible (God's complete word) has not been sealed. But after the completion of the Bible no Christian will tell you God's spirit is speaking through him when you're not a believer! So telling someone who doesn't even believe in God or the Bible that God's Holy Spirit is speaking through you when he hasn't seen anything supernatural to authenticate God's presence with you is like complicating issues. You will cause more harm than the good you're thinking!


It's Jesus' Apostles with whom God made the New Covenant that's speaking here, after their death such things ceased {1Corinthians 13:8-10} WHY? Because God is not for confusion, there's a reason why He chose to speak directly with the Apostles and that's because all the information mankind needed to live holy lives is not yet completed in the Bible book of Genesis to Malachi but after the last Bible book (Revelations) God never spoke directly to anyone again, that's why He (God) could lay a curse on anyone who say "God said" when it's not found in the Bible! Revelations 22:18-19
If God still speaks directly with people after the completion of the Bible then there will be confusion and contradictions because many will say things that's unscriptural and since you want to believe that God still speaks directly with people there's no way to silence them. An example is a man from Saudi Arabia called Muhammad who claimed God's angel (Gabriel) delivered messages to him!



No it's your efficacy that will convince your listeners not God's Holy Spirit because it's not working in unbelievers but believers. So when God's spirit is speaking through you there are two responses you should be expecting.


ONE: if they're honest hearted they will be moved to admit that you're about to convince them so it's either they become believers or shy away with excuses but the message will continue to linger in their hearts! Act 2:37; 26:24-28

TWO: if they're dishonest they will become mad at you for saying things that's beating their conscience when they're not ready to yield so they will attack you verbally or physically! Act 7:54; 14:19

So God's Holy Spirit works with the believer not the unbeliever, it's the conscience that will make the unbeliever feel the energy (heat) in what is protruding out of your mouth {Hebrews 4:12} it's then left to the listener whether to act in line with what he heard as a believer (one trusting energetic word) or not! 1Thessalonians 2:13

You kept contradicting yourself, and that is a sign that there is a problem somewhere.
Open your heart and let that same holy spirit touch your heart sir.

You said the holy spirit works only in believers, but take time to read this words from the mouth of our Lord Jesus christ himself Sir.
Read carefully.
John 16:7-11
[7]Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
[8]And when He has come, He WILL CONVICT THE WORLD OF SIN , and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[9]of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
[10]of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
[11]of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

He said he would CONVICT the WORLD .

So why do you think you has a mortal can convict the Spirit of a man when you say God's spirit can't.
Are you greater than God?

Please sir let us submit to God in truth.
Let us humble ourselves before him and seek truth from him, and not just what our various denominations tells us.

The holy spirit is the Spirit of truth,
The holy spirit is a "He" and not An "it"

The holy spirit is a person not a force.
The holy spirit is the truth not just the words

If you have any questions please be free to ask.
You are free to make contributions either.

4tunebest:
Thank you so much for yielding to the Holy Spirit in drafting this piece. May God bless you abundantly as it has clarified the meaning of those ones relevant to me, which I didn'tunderstand the meaning before now.

To God be the glory.
I pray God give us the ability to discern their meanings.

4tunebest:
Please what do these mean:
1. Anytime I am praying in intense tongues during my prayer time, I actually experience deep groaning as the tongues come out of my mouth (as if the tongues are gushing out with force, with slight tightening sensations in my chest). This slows down the pace at which the tongues come out as I am "forcefully'' trying to bring it out of my mouth due to the compression/force I am feeling in my chest. I have been experiencing this for the past 5 years and it doesnt happen everytime I pray in tongues, only when I can shut out distractions and pray intensely.

This might mean one of these two things.
1. The tongues that come out forcefully from your mouth might mean YOU HAVE THE CALLING OF AN INTERCESSOR.

2.YOU MIGHT HAVE THE GIFT OF different types of languages (tongues)

But I think it mostly should be an intercessory operations of the holy spirit.

DO YOU INTERCEDE FOR PEOPLE?

4tunebest:
2. During prayer time, I sometimes feel slightly cold sensations on my palm or feet. The feeling is usually very brief

Thank you very much

Wow!
Hmm.
I it is a sign that you do practice the presence of God, and if you can continue something else would begin to happen to you.

If you can practice what I am about to say then something awesome would begin to happen to you.

"WHEN EVER YOU PRAY, Play GODLY, HOLY, SPIRITUAL SONGS WHILE YOU PRAY,
Download gospel songs of ministers like :theophilus Sunday, Lawrence oyour, Paul wilbur, mackdonald, michael with. Smith,
And play them loudly while you are pray.
Pray in tongues very much,
Try to fast moderately,
And always sit down and wait silently after praying for at least 30:minutes or less or more where you prayed.

STAY THERE WHERE YOU PRAY FOR FEW MINUTES OR HOW LONG YOU CAN STAY,
AND ONE DAY YOU WILL BEGAN TO FEEL THAT COLDNES YOUR USE TO FEEL, BUT YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT :
WATER WOULD BEGAN TO DROP ON YOU LIKE A DEW from the throne of God BECAUSE YOU HAVE GAIN THIRST FOR IS PRESENCE .

Read the book of revelations - chp 21 :1, 2, & 15,17 for more understanding.


it's like you have the grace for intercessory prayer that might be why those tongues blab out forcefully they way they do
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Read this :
Psalms 38:8-9
[8]I am feeble and severely broken; I groan because of the turmoil of my heart.
[9]Lord, all my desire is before You; And my sighing is not hidden from You.

Romans 8:26-27
[26]Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[27]Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

It's likely a grace and strength or manifestation of the Spirit of prayer and supplications

Psalms 79:11
[11]Let the groaning of the prisoner come before You; According to the greatness of Your power Preserve those who are appointed to die;


SO START INTERCEEDING FOR THE LOST SOULS ALL OVER THE WORLD, ASK GOD IN PRAYER TO ECOUNTER THEM AND SHOW THEM HIS SALVATION ,.

INTERCEDE FOR NATIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Intercede for the progress of the body of christ (the church) not just denomination.

DOWNLOAD SERMONS FROM GOSPEL REVIVALIST LIKE "APOSTLE MICHAEL OROKPO, APOSTLE AROME OSAYI, AND LISTEN TO THEM EVERDAY SO AS TO SUSTAIN HUNGER FOR THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT.

While prayers are made in the sermons try to also pray along, and ask for importation by faith.

SET time ALARM SO AS TO MASTER THE HABIT OF INTERCESSION
, and God will surprise you with wonders if you can be consistence and patience till your tree bears fruit like the tree of life

MaxInDHouse:
The above comments is a crime against God's Holy Spirit!

Help me understand how it a crime.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
First of all Jesus never taught his own followers to call anyone who doesn't accept his teachings "BROTHER" {Matthew 12:46-50} so for you to have referred to someone who openly told you he is against Christianity as "BROTHER" shows you don't know Christ at all.[/quote]All humans are brothers in the flesh having proceed from one man called Adam the Father of all mankind.
All true believers are brethren in spirit having being born of God, born again through the indwelling of God's holy spirit.

So when I called him brother you should have known what I meant, but at least now you know.

You said I don't know christ please pray for me that I may know him, and also pray for yourself that he may know you as you have known him, so that on the last day it might not be said to you = DEPART FROM ME FOR I KNOW YOU NOT.
As it is written
Luke 13:27
[27]But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
Jesus loves much more than you can ever imagine so if he set a standard on how to show love then try to follow his pattern! 1Peter 2:21[/quote]Absolutely correct, and it is standard that I am also following, and thank you for reminding me to keep Following.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
Saying God's Holy Spirit asked you to tell anyone anything is a LIE, it's due to your ability to convince your listener that they will feel that you've gotten something they don't have! Matthew 7:28-29; John 4:40-42[/quote]I think it is better for the scriptures to speak for themselves
Matthew 10:19-20
[19]But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;
[20]for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

The lord himself said here
John 14:9-10
[9]Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
[10]Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

So I think you should also spell out what does scriptures you quoted were saying so that I wouldn't feel as if you are trying to let me know you have what I don't have ,
instead we could gain more understanding.
So you will do well to quote out what the scriptures you quoted said.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
Stop lying against the Holy Spirit when you're unable to convince your listeners it's a sin against God's Holy Spirit and such a sin is unforgivable! Matthew 12:31-32[/quote]Do you said Lie?
1 Corinthians 2:13
[13]When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words GIVEN to us BY the SPIRIT , using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths.
The fact that you don't hear the Spirit doesn't mean others don't,
For he said "my sheep hears my voice. "
So I don't know where the lie you are talking about came from.
I thought
I am not the one who would convince them it is the holy spirit, so why I you contradicting yourself?


[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
When the spirit is speaking through you it's the power in the WORD that will touch the heart of your listener {Hebrews 4:12} and mind you faith is not a possession of all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} so only those having the right heart will receive the truth with joy! Matthew 13:23[/quote]You said when the Spirit speaks through you now, but you denied the same fact earlier saying I lied, I committed a sin.
Are you not lying now?
Haven't you committed the same sin sir?

So your answer is no, then I have been justified by what I said to AntiChristian
And if I am justified then why are you trying to refute my post sir?

We should learn to love one another as you pointed out that the lord jesus christ laid out as an example for us.
We should stop hating each other because of differences in doctrine or denomination, instead we should seek for the goodness, and blessings of our fellow man or brethren in faith.


[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=105446932
May you have PEACE![/quote]I thank you sir for this beautiful prayer, and may that be your portion also.