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Jodera:
Na that thing weak me sha. As I just see say him write that stuff, I just know say I gatz die the matter cos na two parallel opinions be that... We no fit ever agree.
And your example is really perfect.

And he called Tottenham as team that have weak attack... Like Tottenham??

I just see am weak

Stop twisting my words, I said Tottenham are defensive. It seems you don't know how to argue...

Fkhalifa:
Hope Hope Hope upon Hope Hope and Hope Hoping to Hope

Don't troll us o

Jodera:
All these XG, XL or XX you just dey talk as if na size of clothe we deh measure .

A strong attack will give you goals with respect to chance created... That's what we know.

Anyways, let's just disagree to agree on this matter.

You can't deny that Leeds score goals. They have scored 3x what we have scored this season. That's a strong attack please.

Fkhalifa:
Why do I have this feeling most Arsenal fans love Arterta for his looks,
youthfulness and being related with pep.

I do not think it was his decision to freeze ozil. Also
Arsenal have to finish nothing below 7th for him to be applauded, Fa cup or Carabao should not be used as determinant.

So you are now defining my terms for me?

Fkhalifa:
Arterta don suffer.

Of course Emery wasn't the problem neither is/was he the solution, I just hated why everyone was scapegoating,heaping blames and everything on him and leaving the players,board,scouts out of the issue.

My main problem with Emery was trusting useless and average players and also handing Xhaka captain armband.

I no too blame Arterta, the job and Arsenal's problem is too big for him.


Something tells me he'll try to win a trophy this season to cement his job and win over some fans again.

Arsenal need a klopp like manager who will find aggressive strong talented hidden players who can play fast attacking lovely football.

Arteta is inexperienced and also unfortunate to manage the club at a time when poor management structures are in place. I was one of those who campaigned for him, because he looks like someone who is intelligent and principled. I will still give him till end of season. He seems to have a plan and I am interested in knowing how it will work out. He made a terrible mistake freezing out Ozil after failing to sign an AM. So he has Jan to correct his error, by then we will see how he will do.

Jodera:
Spy, I remember a stat you posted wen you compared Emery 26 games to Arteta 26games(I think so), and how Arteta had a better win ratio.

I remember telling you that if Arteta continues like this, he'll win less games than Emery, but obviously with less goals conceded.
Now it's happening..

You are saying the opposite because Emery has a better win ratio.

Jodera:
Nobody will criticize Arteta if he chooses to go defensive against the big teams, after all that's what we criticized arsene Wenger for. But to do that against small teams Is what is paining every arsenal fan no matter how you wanna paint it.

The 6-0, 5-1 and 8-2 scorelines we're receiving still dey yield us top4 then.
But now the 1-0s and 0-0s scoreline dey carry us to relegation.

Me, I know which one I go pick sha

Here again you are right. So we are mixing it up somewhere.

Going defensive against small teams only means that he does not have enough attackers because no reasonable coach with a balanced team would do that. His team is not balanced so that explains it. I don't like it, it has affected us badly as we can't create enough to score. But we know that without the right personnel he can't play attacking football.

Jodera:
So an attack that squander goals and big chances is called "A strong/good attack" just because they create?

The fact that their xG is high, that is they create LOTS of scoring chances shows that their attack is strong. Whether those chances are taken or not is another stats.

Take for example teams like Liverpool, City usually have high xGs. While Tottenham, Burnley, Sheffield United have comparable low xG.

Jodera:
Lol... I know say na stats you go brings. That stats is really skewed and doesn't tell the full story.

A good attack is one that will give you goals with respect to the chances created. With that, I'll tell you that the reason Leeds are in the same position with us is not because of poor defence solely (yes they have one of the poorest defence in the league no doubt), but also poor attack.

Check it out, the have one of the highest (if not the highest) of chances missed and big chances missed. You think if that very average bamford and some of their players convert their chances they'll be in the same position with us? Lol.

They're lacking in two department... Defence and attack

We're also lacking in two department... Midfield and attack.

Leicester no be any of us mates cos they're good in those 3 to some extent.

No even try lump leceister and Leeds as teams with good attack. Leeds are suffering not just because of their poor defence, but their equally v.poor attack. In fact I don't even know between attack and defence which one even worse pass sef for Leeds. Those two departments are so damn poor.

I expected your first line just to dampen the facts and figures I brought up.

For your kind information, chances/goals missed also show strong attack. Analysts call it xG margins or expected goal margin. Leeds have a high xG similar to Leicester so all your talk is just out of point.

Mind you, do a research before opposing a view. Thanks.

Jodera:
That's our point.

...We saying Arteta prioritized defence over attack is just the breakdown of what we're saying not blaming Gabriel, Luiz or anybody.

I know and I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying the coach is right to do so based on the situation we are in.

From my analysis in the post above, you will agree that there is an improvement in our defense. The problem like I have been shouting since is that there is no balance in the team due to we lack an AM, which hampers our attack. This I do not want to blame Arteta for (at least till Jan is over). But when you have to choose, in a case where there is no balance, I'll choose to be defensive. So Arteta is right to keep the defense intact. I bet you, with this inbalance in the squad, focusing more on attack will send us to relegation and we will be experiencing 6-0 scorelines against big teams.

Fkhalifa:
The bolded is not true, Signing a Sanchez and Carzola esque in LW/AM won't make Arsenal sit in 15th never.
The defense would be settled and will defend with calmness if the forwards can bury 2goals in first half.

After Mc Tomimay scored 2 yesterday, I saw Leeds mount pressure on utd's defence, but their attackers kept on countering the pressure on Leeds defence till they scored more and more.
If Only Leeds buried their chances, it could have ended 6-5 and that's better than losing 1-0 and no sign of your team looking like scoring even if much time is to be added.

Even When Mustafi was commuting errors. We were still scoring and winning games.

It's funny how too soon you have forgotten all those comics we suffered from our defense to the point you even feel we shouldn't have strengthened defense at all. OK. All those times you were crying for a DM have all disappeared abi? OK.

You think that with a Sanchez you will score 2 easy goals in the first half...

I am pretty sure if we did not have Aubameyang you would have said the same thing. But let me show you something...

............................P W D L GF GA GD PTS
2. Leicester 14 9 0 5 [26] (17) 9 27

14. Leeds 14 5 2 7 [24] 30 -6 17

15. Arsenal 14 4 2 8 12 (18) -6 14

From the table, you could see that both Leicester and Leeds have similar strength in attack but Leeds have a poor defense. Their strong attack has not helped the team at all. If they sign a DM or a defender depending on what they need, they would be like Leicester. Arsenal has a similar strength in defense as Leicester but are in the same position with Leeds because of poor attack. Let them sign an AM and they will be like Leicester.

But please note, Leicester are not an exceptional team, they only have a balance between attack and defense. You will notice that as you go up in the league table, teams with more balance in attack and defense are higher than those who have not irrespective of their individual team strengths.

Akinbahm:
Bro, sincerely Arteta dey fvck up but we shouldn't take the fact away that some of these players self are not good enough...

A layman compared Wolves team to our without bias bro those boys are better than ours.

If those boys playing for wolves get priviledge to play for Arsenal plus a good coach coaching them forget it they will compete for Top4.

Wolves aren't doing well either. I think you are just driven by sentiments. Leicester and Everton are pushing above their weights, they are good examples you can use.

As for Arteta, I think he is playing the fool for the board. They made him freeze out Ozil without replacement, now it's affecting the team and we now believe he is a defensively minded coach simply because he chose to strengthen our defense.

Let me tell you, 15th place would be a dream come true if we had not signed Gabriel and/or Partey and got only Aouar instead. You have not experienced what a bad defense can do, or probably you have forgotten the calamitous tears we had when our defenders became clowns every night despite that we were scoring goals.

The problem with this team is simply the lack of an AM and the fact that the DM we signed isn't playing. That's why I can forgive Arteta's errors as this team is so balanced. Once Jan is over and we have an AM and Partey returns from injury, then I expect this team to do a lot better.

Roland17:
Na wa oh! Just because we buy one defender? Abeg Lille make una come carry Gab back so some people go fit sleep and get some emotional victories.

This level of pettiness is unbelievable! Ask them to prove it now, dem go just dey turn amala around.

I give up oh! Na una win.. Dem prioritize defense, infact dem over prioritize am oh! Na una win oh..

My brother, the way people view things out of context is most baffling on this thread. But we keep correcting until they see through the right perspectives. One love.

elrony:
Una no go beg mods to close this thread?

We have plans to finish top four. We are not United, we are The Arsenal.

Meanwhile I hope say my wife is fine...

mostob:
Saka has always been good at the RW even more than Pepe. The way he cut in so cleanly is orgasmic. Also,the fact that he uses his right foot for cut backs is a plus too. As for Willian,i no even know wetin to talk.

Towards the end of the match Willian became impressive when he dropped deeper into central midfield. His ball carriage was good as he found Saka on the right several times and also helped opened up space for Martinelli. Just that we couldn't find time to plan our attack. If there is any sense left in Arteta's head he should use whatever formation he adopted towards the end of that match.

Jodera:
And why it's one of the best is because Arteta's hands are tied. The few inclusions he would have added to make it worthwhile he still chose Willian and nketiah.

To show that even if xhaka was available, he would still have put xhaka. Na why I dey vex with am

The last 10mins of the match showed a lot of insight. Willian was a good ball carrier in the No10 role and Saka was more effective in the RW than Pepe

Jodera:
Well... My main point still stands.
We need more than him as a 2nd striker

We are saying same thing. He doesn't b3ed to shoulder big responsibility for now, he needs to play and score goals for fun same as Foden in City.

Jodera:
Yeah... As a sub coming in with others not outright 2nd choice striker

I'm not against him for having opportunities, but he's too limited (for now) to be our 2nd choice striker


Modified: them don even say the goal record he broke sef na bad sign. Toh, so what are we saying

Stop listening to nay Sayers. Those agents of darkness won't wish to see any light in us.

Take it into context, apart from Francis Jeffers who was mismanaged (same thing I want us to protect Nketiah from) every other top England U21 goal scorers have made it big. They say he has spent a long time, that's absolute rubbish. Nketiah has only played 12games scoring 14goals. Compare that to Tammy Abraham 9goals 26games, Alan Shearer 13goals 11games.

Danhumprey:

Just give me one more night...

Jodera:
Na history I dey tell you so.

History made us keep diaby, wilshere, van persie, etc. Na dat same history made us to become perennial top 4 candidate instead of actual challengers.

If we wan buy good cm, Wenger will say we have returning diaby, if we wan buy good Am, Wenger will say we've returning wilshere, if we wan buy good striker, Wenger will say Giroud will come good.

Now, you wan make we tow that path with nketiah again, wen we should be upgrading on him. Lol

Nketiah broke the English record for goals in U21. That's a sign. Give him time.

As an Arsenal fan I'm disgusted by your comment. In all my years as football and Arsenal fan I've never seen a coach tactically better than Mikel Arteta and I think he's the best coach we ever have had. Back him and trust the process. We can still do this! We are Arsenal! COYG!

Roland17:
I get your position, I truly do bro but he is taking way too long and has stagnated without looking to expand his game. Worsestill, we are not playing to his strength but I think his future is outside Arsenal if you ask me.

He is still within his development age. It's due to the poor form of the senior players that Nketiah is being thrown out to face the dogs. At this stage, he should just be a support. This is his first full season.

Jodera:
All these remember remember dey make me laff sometimes .

You know how many people wey we don remember wey put us for this position?

History should guide us into the future.

kodded:
as usual willian and nkeitah were the normal suspects, i expect arteta to change them in the second half and then bring them back to the first team next match and remove them in the second half and then repeat again

Your head correct bro.

Roland17:
We need to move on from Nketiah. Since he transitioned to the first team, he has enjoyed significant game time but has not shown any improvement.

I think we should be patient with Nketiah. He's got the talent he only needs little fine tuning. Remember Harry Kane.

BlueRayDick:
Willian again? Did the free transfer we signed that bros includes an arrangement for him to start all matches when he's fit?

The formation is good. I love that Auba is dropped to bench as well as Bellerin. But Saka should not be saddled with defensive responsibility as he is our most potent attacking threat. As for Willian, let me just have faith that the last benching must have reset his brain.

kodded:
surprisingly arteta has more faith on willock and nkeitah compared to martinelli, Nelson, saliba and balogun






I wonder why

Arteta has never had the chance to work with Martinelli until now. I think he is going to be in the squad today. Even so, he should be eased in. There are many fixtures this December, we don't want him injured again

BlueRayDick:
Try and watch him closely going forward; although I wish does better going forward sha.

He will face a stronger challenge today... Lol

BlueRayDick:
I hope I'm not the only one that noticed the trashy football Tierney has been serving us in the last few weeks. I can't specifically point out what exactly the problem is; but there's definitely something not right with his game in the past few weeks.

In fact, the Gabriel some people have been stylishly trying to scapegoat, he’s been saddled with responsibility of constantly dealing with Tierney’s shiits thereby overworking himself and always being put in positions to commit needless foul if everyone was up to their job. I saw this clearly in that Southampton game; Tierney’s defensive game was just off

Really? I doubt this but I will not comment till I observe more.

mostob:
The only problem with AMN is lack of concentration. However, i will pick AMN over Bellerin.

I too prefer AMN but I will rather have him in midfield. His ball holding is good, he also dribbles. He can be our Partey 2.0

Roland17:
For anyone interest, Arsenal U23 2-1 Leicester City and Balogun scored the winning goal. This kid is ready for the EPL.
Arteta needs to start these young guns good minutes i. the first team and quickly.. Martinelli/ Balogun/ Nelson/ Saka/ Tierney/ Saliba should be getting good minutes with the first team in the EPL.
Sorry I have never rated Willock and Nketiah that highly.. They have had enough playing opportunities but have failed to progress.

Nketiah is a goal poacher kind of striker. He presses well too. I believe he is destined for greatness if given more responsibility. Already he has broken the record for goals in England U21.

I saw Martinelli train, this boy would easily fling away most of our present attackers.

kodded:
I'm not sure that teireny can be effective as an lcb compared to lwb, so for me i will bring in mari
for soares, AMN will shift to rwb while tierney will move up to lwb allowing mari to occupy the lcb position





and also I will remove willian from the substitute list and bring in martinelli or balogun

Your idea is equally good. Would you take Bellerin instead in the RWB position?