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pcachuks:
My sister Got the same reason , just that two reasons. What programming are u going for and which school ?

Is your sister going for PGD?

E be like PGD done cast

thesoj:
I will list all submitted documents in a few hours.

Nice one bro.

richcasey:
I studied Architecture in undergrad and currently work as an architect and a construction project manager and I got admitted to a one year course in construction project management at conestoga college. How on earth can you explain a refusal for purpose of visit and proposed length of stay? Even after i attached my portfolio (architectural designs & construction projects) to my application. Dumbas*s Visa officer.

im taking a break to finish my film project (hobby). Would reapply when I'm done

I lamented this PGD discrimination, I just might have been vindicated.
I believe a new protocol was introduced for PGD Applicants from fall applicants.

@thesoj, Nice one bro, congrats to your sister. I assume she applied for Msc.
Masters is the new thing we were no come get CGPA for Master wetin we go come do.

jagaban17:
My other friend has gotten his TRV with the course at Lambton...in fact I adviced him to . I'm also going for the same. Im still waiting for mine.

You see want I mean!!!!!

omooba2015:
Guy, I want you to still have HOPE, u will have ur TRV, just do as people said, call for gcms file and retire. How many days or weeks or months will it takes to see outcome of cic, on issue of gcms. Pls reply

30 days offically

hayqinsbFX:
It is well..

Boss came down, them go tidy you.
If them mess up then come make we go Australia go study.

TheBae:
@thesoj, @berexio1
Sorry guys, slept off last night.
You are so on point with your analysis. If he had included that in his initial list of documents I think it'd have been really obvious what went wrong. New school, different program, of course it's a brand new application and new things can pop up.
No one on the thread will even advise any graduate to go for advance diploma cos we know how badly it affects one's application.
@standupguy I think that switch showed a bit of desperation. I'm sure you addressed it in your SOP but the VO was obviously not convinced. It looks like a "by all means" situation + your brother being staying after school was like the little icing on the cake.
If you have the strength, you can do a final application with either a Masters or PGD admission, it's more suitable with your age and work experience. Success

I am inclined to agree with you but also note that advanced diplomas take 3yrs but for the fast track which is considered in most schools as a post graduate program takes 2yrs.
E.g the chemical production and power engineering program - accelerated at lambton college is listed as a post graduate program that offers advanced diploma on graduation. (2yrs).

Secondly why would schools create such discrepancies for CIC to take advantage of it?

I will be requesting for my file sha just to put this to rest at least.
We also need to clear it up so people don't fall into the trap.

It will be extremely painful if this was the only reason.

CoCoLav:
There's someone who applied five times in part 4/6 and was given the fifth time within 2 weeks. I like to look at things from the positive angle. Maybe the person meant to help you hasn't reached Canada yet or the company that is to employ you is still in pre-incorporation stage. Put your hope in God...he has a plan for your life.

Thanks for the encouragement

staydogged:
please dont give up.

look for a PGD program in your school that resumes january and transfer the tuition for that then reapply so you dont lose money calling back your money cos CAD don drop ganan.

the VO leaving out all other reasons to tick just two means they really assessed your application and they saw all your documents.

Bro thank you, I will have the school send the cheque to my bro in canada, so the money isn't coming to naija for now till I make my decision.
I am not really one to give up on things but on this one I have really had it, I no go lie.

staydogged:
That reason is exactly what the college gave it that was why they call it postgraduate.

but on the educational certificate chart, advanced diploma is a UG program.
that doesnt mean you cant get visa with it after bachelors, you just mst really be somewhat fresh from school.....not some big brother status.....if u get what i mean...

I feel you bro.

thesoj:
True @ admission requirements of both being post-graduate. The Conestoga one however results in a Graduate Certificate (same as PGD) while the Centennial one results in an Advanced Diploma which is not post-graduate in and of itself. I think this is where the VO may have become distracted by "progression of study" issues. The VO did not view it with the appropriate nuance.

I will agree with you bro till i get my gcms file.
Thank you so far

staydogged:
a fast track advanced diploma can come handy after a bachelors if you are a fresh graduate or have relatively little or no years of experience in that field.
how can you have about 5years experience after bachelors then you decide you want to go learn the trade well, a PGD could have given it to you
in @standupguys case, i can say his age coupled with the choice of course nailed him the third time.

can i ask how old you are and how many years have you used working after school?

Wow a lot of us look at the college website while looking for Post graduate programs, also coming from a different educational background how is one supposed to know all these?
Post graduate is actually anything you study after you first degree abi? all this mix up nawa o.

thesoj:
@berexio1 @TheBae @Fhemmmy

What do you guys think? @standupguy's first two applications were for a PGD, but for his most recent application he changed programs to a different school (the old program wasn't open for admission). The new program is a fast-track Advanced Diploma program (same course) but not a PGD. For admission, the fast-track Advanced Diploma program requires a BSc or prior college diploma (stated on his admission letter). The program is originally a three-year program, but fast track students skip the first year.

The three-year version of the Advanced Diploma program does not require a prior BSc for admission, therefore I contend that the VO considered his fast-track Advanced Diploma admission to be lower than his BSc (and prior PGD he had applied with) because one doesn't need a BSc to be admitted into the longer Advanced Diploma program. And given that the fast-track is invariably the same diploma as its three-year version, I believe this is why "Purpose of Visit" and "Length of Proposed Visit" were ticked.

An advanced diploma is still lower than a BSc or PGD, at least in the eyes of the VO. I believe the VO was thus forced to view it as a completely different application, even if he/she initially hadn't intended to. Thoughts?

Edited: I think the VO should have been sympathetic to the nuances in his new application and still given @standupguy the visa, but these guys sometimes can be super strict on technicalities.

The Conestoga was tagged Graduate certificate and has a 2yrs duration, while the centennial was tagged advanced diploma fast track and 2 yrs duration.
Both programs are Post graduate program as specified by the admission requirements on both college websites.
Here is a screenshot of both acceptance letters i would like to hear your take on it too.

staydogged:
a fast track advanced diploma can come handy after a bachelors if you are a fresh graduate or have relatively little or no years of experience in that field.
how can you have about 5years experience after bachelors then you decide you want to go learn the trade well, a PGD could have given it to you
in @standupguys case, i can say his age coupled with the choice of course nailed him the third time.

can i ask how old you are and how many years have you used working after school?

30 worked 4yrs excluding NYSC

thesoj:
I just sent you another email a few minutes ago. Dude, I think I just figured out why the application was delayed and it wasn't because of your brother or finances. Also, it wasn't because the VO treated it as a new application, per se. I feel 99% sure.

We can share it with the house after I hear your response to the hypothesis in my email. @berexio1 @TheBae @Fhemmmy

You see my response.

I will order my gcms file from this last app to share it here with everyone, probably it will help someone in the future.

thesoj:
I agree that the status of relatives in Canada can affect one's application, and the best strategy is to disconnect one's purpose of visit from that relative as much as possible. Meaning: don't say you'll go live with them, apply for TRV using a school in another province, etc.

Also, I think you should not leave out data about relatives if they are your sibling or parents -- this could come back and bite you in the bu.tt later in the future. It is okay to leave out relatives' information if they are extended family.

How far?

berexio1:
Since his bro didn't come back after postgraduate studies..They are in doubt if he really intends to study and that makes them unsure of his length of proposed study..His finances are ok bro!

But he is not in the Country illegally na?
Post graduate work permit na 3yrs na and he is just a yr into it.

Fhemmmy:
Without being a VO, what i see in the bold is:
1. Family reunion
2. Incapable to finance your education and might end up being a strain on the system
3. Soon, another one will join you 2 and making 3 from your family.
Mind you, i agree with you that some makes no sense, but you play into their hands and what is said in first refusal is of no point but how you have played into their hands.
Me and I know, no job will wait for you but it that is all they wanna hear for you to get your VISA, so be it, tell them what they wanna hear and move on with life.

Ogbeni

Four of my siblings live and work gainfully in naija the youngest of them is 36. Only my immediate older brother is in canada, so my entire family in Nigeria just became useless because of one person in Canada?

2. The fixed deposit I already had was enough to cover my living expenses for 14 months if I was spending 1000 Cad a month. And my tuition is already paid off so I'm not sure of the financial incapacity you mean.

Negatively deciding a man's faith with his brother's who has actually done nothing wrong it quite cruel don't you think Bruh?

berexio1:
oh they said all these in ur gcms? In ur previous app, u just filled ur brother's address in canada in the family form right? That's what brought the assumption that u wanted to stay with him in the first place right?

Secondly, I think most of the VOs that pick up a file will most likely treat it as a fresh application. Am sure that's what they have been told to do. These pple don't even have time to read SOP(that's my assumption).For me, documents are the best things to help create an impression of your application.Let's not forget that this can also be quota playing out..

Yeah they did, and I made sure I addressed it.

berexio1:
So CIC still questioned standupguy's purpose of visit after paying tuition and writing powerful SOP.

His no assets were okay, that's why it wasn't ticked..If anyone is giving a reason why he was refused, it should be related to these reasons oo.

For me, I feel they now don't buy the idea of doing PGD, maybe masters is now their new logo.Or maybe the non-parent sponsor thing. Which one come be length of study again?How many years do they want him to study again? They should just tell him na if na 6months dem want make he stay there.

I feel really pained sha...

Personally I believe my indictment was because I have a brother in Canada. Which is funny because he sn't a nuisance but actually contributing his quota to development of the country.

Secondlt this there new found love for Msc applicant is something else to consider.

People still present none relative sponsors and get TRV.
So I don't think is has anything to do with my sponsor.

I wonder how I would have paidall that tuition to be purposeless in Canada.

Fhemmmy:
I asked you if you mentioned in your letter that you have a relation in Canada that left via student visa, if you never did, did your employer gave you any letter that your job will be waiting for you while you were away or not? I am yet to see something concrete as tie to homeland in what you said and i think that was the main thing here, there wont be much connection between your denied application and the new one, so if yo never submitted information about tie to Nigeria that will make you to wanna go back, that was an error.
Dont see it as an insult, see it as a delay and refire after tying all lose ends . . .see you in Canada

I submitted letter of employment but not a study leave which indicates the job will be waiting for me because honestly I don't believe that a job can wait for anyone for two yrs in Nigeria, it just doesn't sound and look right to me.
In my gcms file from my last app the V.O made a note that I wanted to join my brother because my school happened to be in the town where he lives now because I had no money to finance my education, so I had to clarify that by proving to them that he was still a student in another school and town at the time of my application so there assumption for false and unfounded but a mere coincidence which it truly was.

Finally my question is why didn't they highlight this in my previous refusals, two preivois refusal only talked about funds? Nothing changed so why didn't the two previous V.Os see this the reasons too?

[quote author=berexio1 post=36890740]This CIC pple are so annoying. Your docs were so onpoint.
2 questions I wanna ask...

Who are ur sponsors?Parents?
Secondly,ur headed to Ontario right?[/quote


Older Sister ( senior banking official).
Yes Ontario.

thesoj:
Boss, have you heard the Tupac song "the good die young"? That's my opinion about justice in the world -- it doesn't really exist. But we can always do our best and try to mitigate risks as best we can.

You done see am?

Fhemmmy:
My brother, with the bold, it is more than enough for them to question if you would return back after your studies.
When you are re-applying too, never assume they will continue where they left off, it is a new application and leave no stone unturned

of course the bolded in just between me and him.
How CIC wan take know that one.
Well I have no intention of reapplying because honestly it getting quit insulting. Begging for an over priced education with my own money? Haba e get as e be na.

Fhemmmy:
Did you send them a letter from your employer that your job will be waiting for you while you are gone? Mind you families living in Nigeria is not enough as the distance between and them is a flight ticket. . . .Further more, did you indicate in your SOP that your brother studied in Canada and if i may ask, where is that your brother today, in Canada or he returned back to Nigeria after his studies?

The thing is my previous refusal never questioned these things, they only complained of finance so I assumed they were ok with those but finance.
Both previous refusuals were just Insufficient finance and personal assets, so does it mean I pay 40k application fee for them to review one aspect and ignore others?
My brother fortunately did well in school so he got employed immediately after graduation, he is still on his graduate work permit.
Yes it was clear that my brother came for education.

thesoj:
Ok just replied your PM. Check your email.
Btw, I didn't mean to infer any incompleteness on your part-- i read your old posts a while ago and you were detailed in addressing the "insufficient funds" issue. I was just trying to reconstruct how CIC could have invented a new reason this time. Maybe they didn't read your SOP? I'm having a hard time understanding how they could be this malicious and heartless.

I done send am.

Fhemmmy:
What was used as your tie to home country?

My entire family lives here in Naija except my older bro who completed his post graduate degree in Canada.

I have an employment and little assets and finance as shown above.
not sure what else would suvice for home tie, it wasn't highlighted though.

thesoj:
@Standupguy
Dang. I'm so sorry to hear that dude. This is really perverse of CIC to have denied you for a new reason after you had addressed the insufficient funds issue. Very annoying and unethical of them!

Question: did you refer to your reasons for previous denial? I'm wondering if the VO treated it as a new application without considering that you had only been denied for insufficient funds before.

Accept my request so you can take a look at my SOP.
Everything was addressed with details.

So my own wait is over so is my quest to study in Canada.
Got a refusal mail right now, abeg no condolence please, at least i have ascertained that CIC is an organization with no laid down procedure nor rules. My Only regret is that i should have listened to Mrnilbrown earlier.
After i was refused for insufficient available finance for tuition and living expenses in my first app.
The second app i was refused for insufficient available finance for living expenses and personal assets. (Both time my sponsors finance were very good but i didn't include my SOAs and Assets though i stated my employment status and earnings.


Well this time around it is purpose of visit and length of stay can you imagine that ?

Well this what i submitted for this final application

SOP
Letter of Introduction from Employer
My SOAs 250K, 50K, 10K
My Fixed deposit 2.2M (This fixed deposit was made since Dec last year).
My Stock evaluation and portfolio (250k).
Tuition receipt Payment (27,205 CAD).
Degree result
Neco result
My Resume

Sponsors Affidavit of sponsorship.
Sponsors Letter of intro from Employer stating salary (8M).
Sponsors SOAs 3.4M/1M.
Sponsors Property documents.
Birth certificate.

I changed institutions from Conestoga to Centennial because my program at conestoga didn't have a September intake.
Both programs where the same and post graduate programs and i explained this in my SOP and even put there website to buttress my point.

What i would like to know is how CIC suddenly realized that they dont understand my purpose of visit and length of stay after two applications were refused for financial reasons but not for purpose of visit sounds quite phony.
In conclusion CIC is rogue organization!!!!!

Well it has been a pleasure being part of this wonderful family.
Thanks to everyone and God bless you all

louisilva:
Applied on the 24th of june. I av tried the numbers agian.

http://www.vfsglobal.ca/canada/nigeria/trackyourapplication.html

Did you click on the link as specified?

teesboy:
No offence but I think you did not read my post very well and you are replying the wrong person.
1. What I have said consistently is that all study permit applications are processed in Ghana (Online & Paper) which is true, until such a time CIC says otherwise. I have never said all Categories of application are processed in Ghana.
2. When I replied @Thebae that CALA was online route and GHAN being paper route I was refering specifically to study permit applications only.
I will encourage you to please read posts very well and reply the appropriate nairaland moniker that you agree or disagree with.

Bro your worries about where is thing is proccessed is kind of inconsequential in my own opinion.
Na make them answer person first be the wahala.