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capacino:
Greetings NL!
I would like somebody to give me a hint about undergraduate degree programs for international students, can anybody share some light?

Are there universities/colleges offering free tuition fees as is known for Masters/Exchange programs?

What other universities/colleges offer cheaper tuition fee be it private or govt.?




Peace!

There is no tuition unless you apply to a private school. The biggest challenge with applying for an undergraduate program would be language. There are few undergraduate studies that are offered in English, so you need to be able to speak Norwegian. However, UiO includes a language course if you get admitted to one of their undergrad courses.

I believe NTNU has a language course as well, but with a limited amount of spots.

kleek:
bla bla bla, this is not a discussion over which European language is better. I really couldn't care less. You monkeys are trying to derail my point with strawman arguments. The fact of the matter is that all of them are better than African languages; French, German, Italian, Russian etc.

And this is because they evolved with a writing system.

I personally think the Lingua Franca of Africa should be English for self evident reasons. If you disagree that is just your stupidity, anyone with basic understanding of the world would not need to be convinced into this point of view.

And finally: The Yoruba language is not usable for science, you cant even go an entire day speaking Yoruba without inserting English vocabulary. No amount of brainless black arguing will change that fact.

Nice comeback. Bla, bla, bla is all you can say apparently. I just gave you a link to a collection of scientific terms in Yoruba and you answer by repeating the same nonsense yet again. Lol! It's like talking to a brick wall - unwilling to learn and accept fault. Oh well, that's your own shortcoming.

Perhaps it is your own lack of imagination and vision that makes you blind as a monkey.

The English language is not usable for science. You can't even go an entire day speaking English without inserting French vocabulary. No amount of brainless omo oyinbo arguing will change that fact.

pleep:
European languages are useful for science because they developed with a writing system.

English was selected (above French and German) as the language of science because it is simply better at expressing certain concepts than other languages. It is also not encumbered by useless rules like word gender (Masculin/Feminin) or different endings found French or the excessively complex grammar of German.

There is no Yoruba way to express the oscillation of a sequence of real numbers. There is no way to describe the ossification of cartilage tissue in underwater invertebrates or to properly explain the amalgamated calcification of mollusk shells. These are things that developed over countless years of work and research in the English language. Trying to translate all of this into an African language is like trying to reinvent the wheel.

The fact that you will argue against such a self evident truth displays the abject and insurmountable stupidity of the average black brain.

And I laughed out loud when you said that English vocabulary is useless and no one can learn it all. That is exactly what a low IQ person would say. I didn't need a dictionary to give the above examples, but i know you will need a dictionary to understand them. English is a language that gives the intelligent a way to express themselves as fully as possible. It sounds cold and dry to you because you are retarded. The complexity of English lies in the amount of nuance that can be conveyed in every idea. Instead of saying cold you could have said; frigid, Icy, frosty, chilly, stiff or dead. All providing a slightly different nuance/meaning to the idea you are trying to convey.

What a colossal fail this argument was, you low IQ people make me sick. Now lets watch the monkey resort to an even more feeble and brain-dead argument against the indisputable truth.

You're a very funny man, and certainly not a linguist. Nearly all scientific terms in English are French lol! What are you even talking about? Amalgamated calcification of mollusk shells. Lol! Three French words in less than one sentence. French is a very accurate language, so gender agreement actually clears up many ambiguities. As I've said before: any language can do extensive borrowing. Nothing special about it. You might as well speak French as it is the original source language of nearly everything science-related in English.

English was selected (above French and German) as the language of science because it is simply better at expressing certain concepts than other languages

Okay. So it had nothing to do with British and American dominance during WW2 and colonial powers. If you're going to come with ridiculous statements such as the one above, source it. Every one knows English as a world language has nothing to do with what you're saying, it's all tied to historical roots.


That English is capable of the most nuance, is a mere myth. Feel free to feed your own bias, but that doesn't make it more or less true.

There are published books released on Yoruba scientific terms. Feel free to browse a little: http://www.amazon.com/ENGLISH-SCIENCE-TECHNOLOGY-HANDBOOK-%C3%8CW%C3%89-%C3%8CL%C3%89W-ebook/dp/B00EXXDORQ

You can see for yourself the accuracy of the Yoruba language (same with many of our other native languages) and how it doesn't need to borrow words to express scientific ideas. Instead it binds words together like a thread. Elegantly. English can't do that, hence it borrowed.

macof:
You've made absolutely no sense man. You don't expect an independent people to abandon their identity for a foreign one
Try as you like if you aren't english you can never be english

Very true o.

pleep:
I want English to be the lingua Franca because i'm practical not sentimental.

Objectively, English is the best language ever created. It has the largest vocabulary, it is capable of the most nuance and complexity and more books are written in English than in all other languages combined.

If you look at Phyno's song "Connect" - it's actually a great example of what we're discussing.

He says:"dem say i no go go far, dey say am be local".

Now, what does local mean? It's a stereotypical (and often very true) description of the common man in Nigeria. Frowned upon due to poor command of the English language and usage of his/hers mother tongue.
If you don't speak English, you're not a civilized being. This is also why some parents ban their children from speaking their native languages.
Discrediting and down-talking our native languages for the sake of English pains me.

There are plenty of small languages in Europe capable of chemistry, mathematics, physics. There is nothing those languages can't do that English can. The exact same thing can be said about every single language on earth. English is neither grammatically complex or unique in any way. It's actually a pretty butchered language. The only thing it got going, is a huge body of loanwords. Some use that as a reason for it being superior, but in fact, a human can only remember so-and-so many words. A large portion of these words are barely used and more or less useless.

There is no good reason why someone hasn't sat down and said "ok, we need to create and improve the scientific capability of our languages - let's create some new ones". As I've said many times: morphology in our native languages makes it so easy to coin words to create new meanings. English has borrowed for the opposite reason - it's incapable of making new words. A staggering huge percentage of English is pure French/Latin. English borrowed for historical reasons, but also out of outmost necessesity and desperation (note: reason, historical, necessity, desparation - all of foregin origin).

At least to me, English carries very little emotion and expressiveness. It's a stone cold language, and thank goodness it's not my mother tongue. I lose your point of view entirely when you say "the most complexity and nuance". Abeg, u don leave your room? If you really want to use complexity as an arguement and as an "objective" measurement (which it is not), then there are far better candidates than English.

To pessimists saying you can't succeed with our languages - look at Phyno sef, look at Olamide, Wizkid, Flavour. They all succeeded because of their native tongues and they know it very well.

But as my signature says, were, were nikan njele. If you let the termite fester for too long, eventually it will take everything with it. Besides, if history has taught is anything, it's that world languages change rapidly. I see no reason why the next one couldn't be Yoruba, Igbo or Edo.
Je'ka jo.


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Interesting. Wetin he do for d forum sef, to sip sapele water?

No be say Buhari dey pay am talk rubbish?

If there isn't a word for yellow - make one. After all, that's how languages started.

Many African languages are underdeveloped, but that's not to say they can't be developed. It's a matter of effort and will.

Anyway, languages are slowly dying, day by day. At some point we will have to choose. I'm curious though, why you'd want English as a lingua franca. It's not native to Africa and can't express Africans values, ideas and concepts like our own languages. If you go to France and ask the people to start speaking English, they will refuse. If you go to Africa and ask someone to speak English, that person will be ashamed by his/hers inability to do so. Do you see where the problem lies? Africans always look outside their own continent instead of inside their own. They strive for foreign values instead of sticking with what they know.

Sadly, we as a poeple are supressed to mere shadows of our former kingdoms. People suffer and poverty has taken over. That makes the way for an overly materialistic society where there is no time for self-reflection.

I don't know how Naija will solve her problems, but I'll do my best to give her a push. I hope every one else will too.

O dabo.

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Bee ni. Zeynab is pretty good. I listen to here tunes on occassion - good stuff.

obiorathesubtle:
So.. You want to teach him how to spend his own money again abi?


How many times have you donated even one pure water bag to a hospital in benue state??

Don't mind your damn business.. Keep posting nosy threads!

This logic right here is based on pure greed. Greed is the reason we have poverty. Unwillingness to share and desire to buy useless items for show will be our downfall. If you see nothing wrong with this (if you see nothing wrong with 1% of the human race having 99% of the wealth), then you're a part of the problem. Every one has probably been greedy at some point in life, but probably not to the point where you buy gold to put on your shoes.

It's OK for the select few to bath in gold, but for the masses to suffer. Abeg, go look yourself in the Mirror.

macof:
Interesting, but if "E pele" really refers to "living long on the land" at what possible point and with wat factors did it change from "e pe ni'le"?


Although the "kun" in "Ekun" for Leopard doesn't sound the same with "kun" in "Okun" I believe they are linked but not the same as you are pointing out. . Cus I guess your translation of "Okun" as strength comes from "Ekun"

I agree with "fulfillment" . It is the same tone with "kun" as in "to fill"

"EKUN" LIKE "kun" as women say when they apply makeup "mo fe kun s'oju" but what this has to do with strength I don't know yet. "kun" here seems more like "to perch" or "to apply"(make up on the face)


I have a different idea of the etymology of "e pele" but I'm not certain ...
We have iwapele - character of calm, being of a sound and balanced mind. See when someone is not calm due to a deed against him/her, people say "e pele" which I would say means " call on to calmness" from "pe ele" but like I said I'm not certain cus I'm not even sure if "ele" is a real word

From what I can tell, the kun in ekun is "kùn" and the make up (to paint) is "kun" while to fill is "kún".

Interestingly enough, the leopard is a rather magnificent creature, and its dots are somewhat paint-like. To paint something is similar to filling it with color.

olujastro:
Well, I'm used to managing myself when it becomes necessary. I still can't believe I lived on 20k(5.5% of income) as pocket
money this month just to enable me meet up d 2.5m account balance in short notice.
My only worry about Norway is ones chance of getting a skilled job related to ones course of study after MSc, if one truly has only 6months extension to achieve such in a country with a different national language. Bros, I don't hope to return to 9ja as an applicant after leaving my job to gain knowledge about the field I'm passionate about. At least 5yrs of skilled work there will be a good reward.
I initially wanted Canada but I'm only trying Norway cos of the affordability and cos they offer the course I love to further on.

So many uncertainties...

I see what you mean.

Well, learning the language is definitely a must if you wish to increase your chances of getting work. Actually had a learn Norwegian thread going, but there was a lack of interest so probably not worth the effort. Whatever time you have left over, use it to learn then language. It'll benefit you long term and might secure you a job.

Good luck to us all, bros.

absoluteSuccess:
Language is bye product of intelligence,

We are not trying to hunt for english equivalent as if english grammar is some sort of standard.

But we are verifying the underlying intelligence behind common expression and mannerism as unique to us.

Starflux, why are you often conclusive?

Indeed. Apologies, my friend. It's not my intent to sound conclusive.

Radoillo:
Are our minds in sync or what?

Just this morning I was thinking of the possible etymologies of Igbo greetings.

I think you mentioned this in your post, but I didn't quite get it, so I'll ask: Can you explain the meaning of the Ekaa-/Ekuu- component of Yoruba greetings?

Kú is simply a greeting prefix (more or less), which is why you can say things such as e ku iduro, e ku ijoko (ati bee bee lo).

The concept isn't translatable to English.

Ezegozie:
why do you guys want Norway?
Why not Canada who speaks English and is fair enough in cost of living.
Cost of living in Norway is high.
And that certificate you will acquire there, is it well respected in Nigeria?

Good point. There may well be several reasons for choosing Norway instead, no tuition being one of them. There is definitely a language barrier, so it is something to consider.

It isn't that rare to find people who aren't prepared for the costs. A bag of food at any of the low-cost foodchains might very well cost 7k naira and upwards, so you can easily figure the cost long-term (though with some budgeting and smart purchases you can get by with less). It's a really bad idea applying for a course here if you do not have the necessary funds. It will make you broke more or less and won't be very enjoyable.

One thing I've observed is that people buy a lot of beer and then complain about the costs of living. There is free, clean water in abundance, what would you need beer for? Alcohol is one of the most expensive things you can purchase. The 2,5m naira fund requirement is actually not a lot of money in this country, believe it or not.

Stuff like this is why Nigeria has overpopulation issues in certain areas. In this day and age having 7 children is a strain on the local community, but also the planet as a whole. Africa needs to stop the massive population growth so people can start living a worthy life. How can we seriously expect an increase in living standards when we have 7 children each and the economy has no chance of catching up with the growth?

Nawa o.. beautiful kids though.

macof:
nah. Nigeria without English would be a disaster, how do we communicate?


but we can still maintain the old logic behind Yoruba words
take for instance - Onisegun and Elero being scientist and engineer respectively, today nobody uses the words like that

Well, English will slowly devour until most if not all indengious languages are dead. I'd rather have it be one of our hundreds of languages doing the work, but it might very well be too late now. I find English a bland and very boring language. It has borrowed excessively and lost most grammatical peculiarities. A lot of people think it's the language of science, but really most of the scientific terms are French or Latin of origin. It doesn't posess the same creative ability to create words (which luckily Yoruba does) as those two other languages.

Came across this hymn: Onisegun nla wa nihin. Meaning seems to be retained here, not sure how old the hymn is as it seems to be a translation. Elero makes sense, so it's really a mystery why it's not widely used. I suppose mekaniki and enijinia is of preference for the lingustic ignorant. People these days don't even understand simple Yoruba coined words. They seem to think more like English where syllables are mostly meaningless and you only consider the word as a whole.

macof:
Long time.

It's obvious these are words made within the last 2 centuries

Deep and old yoruba
Encyclopedia = Ifa
Technology = Isegun
Machine = Ogun
Tool/device = ẹ̀rọ

Hello, indeed!

Most of these words are sourced from Beginner's Yoruba by Kayode J. Fakinlede and are very recent, indeed. There are, however, several inaccuracies in many of the translations. I'm not at the level of proficiency where can I point them all out, sadly.

Isegun definitely is science related and be used as a prefix in that regard. Eko is also very interesting and could possibly create many new words with little effort. It would seem ero has replaced ogun and now means tool/device and machine.

Very interesting, nonetheless and we should attempt to reintroduce these words you mention. Most technological words today are coined from several words from a source language, so one could theoretically break them down and make a translation. However, one language's logic doesn't necesarrily transfer to another.

The problem is that many of these words sound somewhat artifical due to them essentially being created with intent and is not the cause of actual development. The problem becomes more apparent when you attempt to explain these concepts. The words are just not there for the average speaker.

The main concern is that Yoruba and our other languages are not used actively for conversing and developing science. It does not bode well when the language stops being developed. I think the only way to turn the tide is for Nigeria to abolish English. I am unsure if that will ever happen though.

Meanwhile, we must do what we can and this thread is a start.

FriedPlantain:
Haha, now we are getting somewhere. At least, what you wrote up here is way more comprehensible than the gibberish you wrote earlier. By the way, it is 'advise him' and not' advice him' and 'shut the _fuck up' not 'shut the_fuck off'. (no offeinse)

Ehn baba plantain, wetin concern you now? Na naija forum be this. White man's language be ur pride? abeg, hand me some of dat plantain and make we go chop.

On topic: Dwelling on what you're going to do will only make things take longer. Tell her face to face and be done with it. It's really not that difficult all things considered.

chey, wetin kind senseless baboons be dat now. eehn, o ya mi lenu o every time.

see this thread, someone just died and tribalism is what they want to highlight. abeg, you guys are no better.

Rest in peace.

Colorful and powerful. Beautiful!

It is not an original Yoruba word. It's very easy to identify authentic Yoruba words. All words must end with a vowel and there are no consonant clusters.

Salut à tous!

Yes oo. I speak Norwegian and atm I'm learning French. It's a lot of fun and such a fascinating language. Both English and Norwegian have features that aid me in learning French, which I must say is my favorite of all.

Interesting to see people learning Asian languages, not bad!

Chey, poor guy

kclub83:
Thanks starflux.I really appreciate ur message. But if I don't have fund to transfer to the school,wot other alternative do u think I can do coz am planning to use my boss statement of account. Would really appreciate ur response.

You will need the money eventually, so there is no easy way I'm afraid :/

jonahndi:
Goodday guys, please this is my 1st time here and I want to ask a question. What Is the 1st tin I need to do if I must get a norway permit visa and does the place make sense to live and work there

What is your purpose? Studies, work etc.

AlomoReloaded:
House, y'all are doing a very very wonderful job here... pls, I need. Very urgent answer to what's bothering me now..... I av been following this thread, and it seem there ain't any medically related issue being addressed here... pls, how possible and convenient can a newly graduated doctor proceed to Norway for a Residency Program on a medical or surgical subspecialty Pls house, treat as urgent, cos am tired of the whole fuss about USA and USMLE.

You need a job offer before you'll be granted the permit. That's mostly the toughest part (though you can go on a tourist visa and try, but you are not allowed to work). The alternative is to study 1-3 years in Norway and then apply for a job seeker visa before your student visa expires.

kclub83:
Thanks starflux,but if I can get sponsor's statement of account,is there need for me to send fund to the school account again as people were saying u will need to transfer money in Norway currency for proof. Pls I need urgent response

Yes, the money will have to be transfered eventually. You will get an invoice, then do as Inxyz has already said:

Dear Niralanders
please how did u transfer Money to Sio deposit account Access Bank has refused to do the transfer unless the University sends an invoice with figures in dollars. and the deadline is close


Inxyz
Transfer the money to First, GTB or Diamond. Then use form A. This should help. GTB understands this transaction.
Hope this helps.

ichoku:
Starflux and others. I want to apply for a university in Norway for a place this year, B.Sc. Is it late to do so now?

Yes, it's too late. You'll have to wait for 2016. Applications can be sent from around october and to the end of around december for master's.

Folzy124:
For those in Norway or about to be in. Please can u put me through how u passed through the health insurance stuff. Where did u get it or is it not needed. Thanks

You are automatically insured as long as your stay is longer than 12 months.

malaoluolateju:
@stepweipeter @inxyz and elders in d house,lol. Pleasewhen applying to NTNU, is it necessary to provide my sponsors statement of account or is his letter of recommendation for sponsorship enough to cover proof of financing?
Tanks

Yes, it is a requirements and you won't be granted a visa without such documentation as Inxyz stated.

kclub83:
Hi guys,I heard there is free tuition for MSC in Norway
. how true is dis. Anyone with accurate info?

Na true.

ikswiss:
Hey fam Erasmus is not offered only to an Eu citizens
Versagod

Now that you mention it, you're right. Was always under the opposite impression. Thanks.

I recommend against antiperspirants. The aluminium content (though I don't think it has been proven, yet ) could potentially be toxic over time. It also blocks the body's natural ability to sweat. Instead use a good normal deodurant that doesn't contain antiperspirants. They cover up the smell instead of blocking it.

Mogenerous:
Good afternoon, been following up for quite a time now, I want to know if students in Norway can do personal business, like hairdressing, because I heard it earns more then

@ lobito007
You are allowed to work part-time. No more than 20 hours a week. I'd guess for an unskilled hairdresser without an education within the field, you'd earn around 130NOK per hour ~ 3240 naira. Working in a grocery store would probably earn you slightly more 140 - 150NOK. Hairdresser might be easier as there's quite a few African saloons at least in Oslo. Most notably a Ghanian saloon that runs very well and not every one speaks Norwegian. If you don't know the language then that's one of the few available jobs.

Another reason not to waste time and learn the language as fast as possible.

Lykke til

southernbelle:
lol what a coincidence, I'm from Edo state-bini precisely. few days ago, I was thinking about this man and this song and I was trying to remember the story behind this song too(I was close to my grandfather and he told me lots of stories then). I think Joromi went to the land of the spirits to get something and he had to fight with them, ok..that's what I can remember
if anyone else knows the story better, it would be nice to learn.
hmmm feeling nostalgic already

Oh, I see. Thank you for your insight. Yes oo, these tales are very interesting. My father also told me some in the past, but I can't recall anything but minor pieces sadly.

Hopefully someone with a better memory comes by to enlighten us.

I was listening to Victor Uwaifo when I came by Joromi. Could anyone tell me more about the origin of this tale and its age?
I also notice it is pronounced with a J-sound, was this sound present in Edo far back?

Other tales would also be greatly appreciated.

Thank you


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