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Sirchiboy:
I went through traumatic childhood dUE to over religious woman called mother.
A mother that worship and cherish money more than her own kids.
I have studied this world and discovered that most people that are living good life are actually non religous people.
I stopped going to church in 2006 because I had no single clothes to wear.
I was putting on one trouser every Sunday while the woman called mother will buy clothes every Sunday and still buy for her pastors wife yet her kids wear rags to church.
My life would have been much better if I was born into non relgious home.

The purpose of Christianity is not to give you wealth or riches in this life.
Infact in one of Jesus temptation Satan offered to Jesus all the glory of this world. Jesus knowing fully well that that part of set by his father is full of pain, suffering and rejection rejected Satan's offer chosing the cross, by thus Jesus set an example for all his followers who wants to follow him. No man can serve God and mammon, the modern teaching in many churches that is geared towards prosperity, health and wealth came because men like esau want the temporary pleasure and glory of this life.
Scripture said when we have food and raiment we should be content and grateful, and even when we don't have we should be grateful.

The most important thing in life is to believe in Jesus Christ and follow him, by so doing we will be saved and lay our treasures in heaven, another thing is irrelevant in the long run no matter how serious we think it is.

Sterope:
Mark 16:9-20 never existed

You quoted Mark 16:15 . Mark 16:9-20 were never part of Mark.

Earliest manuscripts according to Eusebius (4th c.) and Jerome (late 4th c.) commented that almost all reliable Greek manuscripts of their time ended Mark at 16:8.

Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus also stopped at verse 8. These are all the earliest manuscripts of the Bible we have so far. There were some Bible that actually pointed it out as footnotes that they were probably additions.


Jesus was sent to all the nations of Israel never the gentiles

Jesus’ mission was for the nations of Israel. All of his disciples were Jewish, and he commanded them along with the people to uphold the laws given to Moses which were to Israelites.

So when he said, “proclaim to all nations,” it wasn’t about the entire world. He was speaking about the twelve nations of Israel the tribes descended from Jacob.

As Genesis 35:11 records: “God said to Jacob, ‘A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, and kings shall come from your own body.’”

unlike, the Koran that is just one book of which when information is lost there will be no way of recovering it.
The Gospel is made up of four books; mathew, Mark, Luke and john which are complementary to one another and also from church traditions. When an info is not in one it can be gotten from the other sources and used to fill it.
The command to preach to other nations is also in the book of mathew.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Sterope:
Exactly!

“And He has no partner in His dominion, nor has He any protector out of weakness. And proclaim His greatness.” (Qur’an 17:111)

“They say, ‘The Most Merciful has taken a son.’ You have certainly made an outrageous claim. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation, that they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.” (Qur’an 19:88–92)

He doesn't have a companion nor a partner now why and how would he have a son.

My God has no companion, no son.

Your God has a mother, a son of himself, he regrets and he rests!

🤣 so Allah need a companion to have a Son?
Allah is dependent on girlfriend to have a Son.

Sterope:
I pray to God.

And my God is not a God of regret, not a God that rests, now a God that lacks knowledge, not a God the devil would have the audacity to tempt, nor a God that was created.

But Allah cannot have a Son except he has a girlfriend.

Surah Al-An‘ām (6:101) reads as follows (translation by Saheeh International):

> "He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion, and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing."

Sterope:
Now you are lying he never said he came for the gentile. The Cannanite woman had to convince him to help her. Lmao!

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.- Matthew 15:24
Mm

you forgot to add that after Jesus resurrection he commanded his disciples to preach to all nations.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Islam is simply a religion of ignorance. No wonder it beeds terrorists, Muslims are victims of Islam. I pray that more muslims will come out of that darkness called Islam.

Janosky:
John 17:7
Jesus Christ doesn't OWN anything .
Rather, Jesus confessed he received whatever he has.

John 20:22, Jesus did not breathe any being on the disciples.

Oga,Stop deceiving yourself.


"Very nature" you quoted is not in any Greek manuscript at Philippians 2:6.

Adding maggi & medemede.



What is not true can never be true, no matter how it is whitewashed & painted with seemingly fanciful laguage

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Jesus owns all creation.
Col 1:16-17

Janosky:
In the screenshot evidence did the Jews say " I am" is the correct expression @ Exodus 3:12-14 for Hebrew lexicon 1961?
The Jews disagreed.
Jews Proper translation " I shall/will be".
Not "" I am".

Did the king James bible dictionary say " I AM " is the correct expression for "@ Exodus 3:14 for Hebrew lexicon 1961?
No, KJV dictionary disagreed

Is Olaniyi in Yoruba language , the same correct expression for Olaniyi in Igbo?
No,not at all.
Oga, Stop deceiving yourselves.

whenever God is using tense to describe his eternal presence he uses "I am". Jesus used I am to describe his presence in the past making him eternally present.

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala jàre since it's not written in the Bible God warned His worshipers not to copy anything from pagans:


The Lord your God will cut off before you the nations you are about to invade and dispossess. But when you have driven them out and settled in their land, and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” ‭Deuteronomy 12:29-30 NIV

So if Trinity is not found among God's people but history reveals that it's pagan traditions i rest my case!

No pagan has any God that is trinity.
But you as a jehovah witness you do not believe that only Jehovah is God, you believe there are other gods that jehovah created, you make jehovah an idolater even when he said there is no god besides him.

MaxInDHouse:
Just QUOTE the word "TRINITY" in any version of your choice and save yourself the stress of all these epistles!

That is the blasphemy Jehovah's witness organization has taught you.

gohf:
even husbands are Lord

Afterall Paul also wrote the head of the woman is her husband and the head of the husband is Christ and the head of Christ is God 😊

Notice how she dodges questions by bringing up irrelevance.
Since Jesus is the one Lord does that mean the father is not Lord. So according to your own words, the christian woman has two Lords, which are christ and her husband?

gohf:
everyone who read the Bible knows that the word of God is eternal, it existed before the creation of our world and like Grok puts it, it's God's agent and means it creation.

Did the word of God come into creation? Yes the word became flesh

And it is not OR, but an the word was already present when the world was made.

Is it hard for you to understand that God brought forth his word and sent forth his word.

Lol soon you will want me to ask Grok how God used the word to create everything and where was God before everything was made.

Abeg see dodging, you have still not answer the question, you started using Grok what happen now, all of a sudden you can't use Grok, or you have seen the answer all ready but don't know how to twist it.

What is hard there? So madam, just asked Grok that according to greek interlinear of John 1:1 if the word came into existence or he was already present.
The beginning actually means the beginning of creation not the beginning of our world only, but the beginning of all things, since without Jesus nothing made would have being made. It means the beginning is the beginning of creation itself.

gohf:
guy I will keep telling you repent, you don't even see your own deceptions. You haven't changed because you haven't genuinely repented

This is exactly what you wrote Ask grok to do an unbiased analysis of "In the beginning was the word" using the greek interlinear to determine if the word was created at the beginning or already existed at the beginning.

why is it so hard for you?
If something existed at the start of something does it mean the thing came into existence at the start. If a mother existed at the beginning of her child's birthday does that mean the mother was born at her child's birthday?

Let me make it more simpler ask grok if the word came into existence or he simply was already there?

Don't give me long story. Type it word for word and give me answer.

Maximus692:
He is not my BROTHER in faith so continue the argument with your fellow worshiper whoever is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses has nothing to say about our own God that's why i keep asking any of you to first mention the name of his or her church before i engage you if you can't do that then you are all on the same page to me!

So you are free to group all non Jehovah witness as one but fumes when you are also grouped with those who have similar belief? Whether you like it or not? To me you, bookmark and gohf and brethren you guys are the same belief as far as rejecting Christ deity is concerned. You guys infact are one with muslims

Maximus692:
This is really getting funnier than i thought!
Moses was addressing the Israelites not Pharaoh in that verse:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Deuteronomy 6:4

But if you can't grasp that did Jesus also forgot to tell his followers that God is three persons?

Can you explain how this disprove the trinity?

Boomark:
And it is the Father that made Jesus a Lord. Did you see that he was made a Lord by his God? He is one Lord to us but not to his God. The Father is One God to all including Jesus.

Acts of the Apostles 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”


So by abandoning your One God definition of trinity and switching to one Lord shows that your trinity is falsehood that is not in the bible. You can't define it with one God and you can't define it with one Lord according to the scripture.

As far the bible is concerned, trinity is a baseless falsehood from satan and the antichrist, prepare for people to reject God the Father as One God.

One God is God the Father (1 Corinthians 8:4-6). Trinity Is falsehood and philosophy of men.

I asked you a simple question, Is Jesus being the one Lord exclude the father to be Lord?

gohf:
Jesus is anointed king and Lord over all expect God, and all are commanded to worship him. Every knee shall bow and say that Jesus Christ is lord

MaxD come and see your fellow trinity denial saying that God has commanded everyone to worship Jesus. Do you agree?

gohf:
If you read you would have realized Grok already did that. But since it's you steep let me just restate:

Ἐν ἀρχῇ (en archē): A prepositional phrase meaning "in the beginning" or "at the start." ἀρχή denotes the origin or initial point of something.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος: This sets the temporal context ("in the beginning" and states that ὁ Λόγος (the Word/Reason) existed at that time. The author is stating that the word existed at the start.

Syntactic Structure:
The first clause, Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος ("In the beginning was the Word", establishes the temporal existence of the Word

That is not what I asked you. You see that you are not sincere, show that chat where you asked grok if Jesus came into existence in the beginning or was already there in the beginning.
Yes the word existed in the beginning that is is not the question, the question is if the word came into creation or the word was already present why is this too hard for you?

gohf:
according to Grok, which grok? Steep you still read like this?

grok confirmed that the trinity is from the bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Excellent!

Moses who served as God in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} and Jesus of Nazareth who served as God in first century Judea {John 1:1} both said:

“‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah" Mark 12:29; Deuteronomy 6:4

Ọmọ go on jàre you sabi God pas the two of them join together!

Moses was merely representing God to Pharaoh.

gohf:
you can't tell the difference between activity and appearances. God acting through his son, acting through his spirit is different from appearing as a son or a spirit

It is you that cannot tell the difference according to grok the trinity was a doctrine that was derived from the activity of God ( meaning his activity as father Son and Holy Spirit) in the bible so in other words grok actually could analyze that God acts in three distinct persons.
The only difference between grok and the doctrine of the trinity is that God is not just acting as three persons but he IS three persons.

gohf:
before asking me this did you read the conversation

https://www.nairaland.com/8506184/chat-grok-ai-cofirms-gospel#136586259

https://x.com/i/grok/share/1vuwUxMU9D48QKyY9sP5RHEiU

If you haven't go and read it

I don't think you understand what I wrote. Grok has already confirmed to you that Jesus is divine by nature mean he is God by nature. I asked you to focus on christ pre-existence at creation.
Ask grok to do an unbiased analysis of "In the beginning was the word" using the greek interlinear to determine if the word was created at the beginning or already existed at the beginning. Come back and let me know the answer from grok.

gohf:
it won't be a problem if he is a God by God's definition not by human definition because to humans there are many Gods, to pharaoh Moses was a god but not to the people of Israel.

Grok pointed something interesting out that the Jews called angels God, elohim and at times referred to them as YHVH but they never believed any of them to be the YHVH or the God but representatives of God. That's why Paul spoke about some in Colossians 2:18 that worshipped angels as God.

Like you said even judges and humans have been referred to as God, even Paul and Barnabas.

When Grok brought up the time Thomas said to Jesus my God and I asked him about Genesis 18, he did a cross reference of even more verses and said it was a Jewish cultural reference to address a divine being representing God as God or YHVH and none were ever corrected


Now for Isaiah 9:6-7, I don't know what Grok would say about this, but before there was AI I had septuagint version and their interpretation of that version is different and I have also pointed out in one of some threads a point no one has refuted that Isaiah was talking about a name not names, and the second point is having el in one's name doesn't make them God. Gabriel is similar to mighty+God or Elijah my God is YHVH, several names have el in them, doesn't make them God.

If you say Eli, which means my God, it doesn't mean I or the person referred to is a God. So the calling a name is not the problem as you said to me it is the commandments. You shall have no other God except me. The one true God. No images, don't take things you see in heaven and earth as a God, worship only God as God.

So while Jesus is worshipped Lord and anointed king like David was or more than David ever was, he is never worshipped as God, as creator.

You still has more work to do. Ask grok to give to the greek interlinear of John 1:1. Now the focus for now should be what is the must accurate rendition of "In the beginning was the word" does it mean the word was created or came into existence in the beginning or the word and what is the implications of this.

Boomark:
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 NIrV
[4]...“there is only one God.” [5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] But for us there is only one God. He is the Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord. He is Jesus Christ. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 LSB
[4] “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!


The bible made it clear that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Even though there are many who are called Gods. That "One God" is the Father.

What you defined as trinity is not in the bible. It is against the position of God the Father who the scripture declared as ONE GOD over all.


So tell us from the bible where you got your ONE GOD as 3 persons?

Chibuezem, Ken4Christ watch

Paul also said there is one Lord, Jesus christ does that mean the father is not Lord.

gohf:
if you type boomark's question in Google, their AI would respond with

The Trinity is a core Christian doctrine stating that one God exists as three co-equal, co-eternal, and co-substantial divine persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. This concept asserts that God is one in essence but three in person, a mystery of faith rather than a logical equation where 1+1+1=1. The doctrine is rooted in the New Testament's depiction of God's threefold activity as Creator, Incarnate Son, and indwelling Spirit, and was formally articulated in early Christian creeds, notably the Nicene Creed.

Do you notice that usually the AI attaches bible references to biblical questions but it doesn't do that for that question what is Trinity, it just links it with it's true origin the nicolatian doctrine that Christ Jesus hates.

Even A.I tells you that the doctrine of the trinity is rooted in the activity of God in New testament.
According to A.I the doctrine of the trinity does not contradict the laws of logic. Ofcourse you ride on emotion not logic.
A.i says doctrine of the trinity is biblical and does not contradict the laws of logic.
One God three persons.

Boomark:
What is trinity?

ONE God (divine being, Godhood) three persons ( The Father, Son and spirit).

Steep:
If only you people could properly settle and learn what the trinity properly is.

John was pointing us back to Genesis 1, in the beginning of creation the word was already present, he didn't come into existence but he was already present meaning he is uncreated.

"The word was with The God and the word was God
Theos means the very essence of deity. While "The God" refers to a person who is the father.
In Greek the definite article "The" is used to specify.
So it is something like this, In the beginning(start of time) was ( already present) the word and the word was with (face to face) The God (The person of the father) and the word was God (the state of being God, Godhood)

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gohf:
it's all good let's see what they have to say about the conclusion from an AI analyzing the Greek text

This is Grok's conclusion:
Thus, we cannot say that ὁ Λόγος(the Word), though described as having divine nature, is τὸν Θεόν ("God". The text portrays ὁ Λόγος as a distinct entity with divine qualities, existing in close relation to τὸν Θεόν in the beginning.


Like it's amazing how consistent this is with the new testament that tells us that children of God have God's nature and are sons (and daughters) of God but they(we) are not God.

If only you people could properly settle and learn what the trinity properly is.

John was pointing us back to Genesis 1, in the beginning of creation the word was already present, he didn't come into existence but he was already present meaning he is uncreated.

"The word was with The God and the word was God
Theos means the very essence of deity. While "The God" refers to a person who is the father.
In Greek the definite article "The" is used to specify.
So it is something like this, In the beginning(start of time) was ( already present) the word and the word was with (face to face) The God (The person of the father) and the word was God (the state of being God, Godhood)

achorladey:
Their darling NWT says......

So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose* to Become.”*p And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’”q


Interpreting this will mean their Jehovah became Jesus to bring salvation to the nation of Israel and the whole world

Jesus said..............

I have come in the name of my Father, but you do not receive me. If someone else came in his own name, you would receive that one.

Moreover, the crowds going ahead of him and those following him kept shouting: “Save, we pray, the Son of David!i Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!j Save him, we pray, in the heights above!”*

The question becomes can Jehovah chose to become Jesus to save his people?



You know him now, jumping from pillar to post to twist the conversation na their mode of operation.

I tire for max. The blindness is real. If Jehovah "can become anything to fulfill His purpose" Does that not mean he can also become a man? That is exactly what Christianity said that they are fighting against it.

MaxInDHouse:
God can become whatever it takes to fulfill His purpose but no man has seen Him which means He never appear to any human!

you have shifted to seeing God.
The context of what John was saying is the father. No man has seen God means no man has seen God in his spiriual form but does not mean God has not appeared before.
God appeared as the angel of the LORD but it doesn't mean he is an angel, he appeared as fire but it does mean he is fire, he appeared as pillar cloud it does not mean he is pillar cloud and so on and so forth. People have encountered God but that does not mean they actually saw him in is true heavenly form which is impossible for man to comprehend.

MaxInDHouse:
He is the one coming not Jesus because Jesus is coming to do God's will that's why he also said he is coming. Revelations 22:20

For instance when God said:

“I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer. I will go down to rescue them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a land good and spacious, a land flowing with milk and honey, the territory of the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Amʹor·ites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites. Now look! The outcry of the people of Israel has reached me, and I have seen also the harsh way that the Egyptians are oppressing them. Now come, I will send you to Pharʹaoh, and you will bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt." Exodus 3:7-10

The person coming to do His own will is God but the person who will represent Him is Moses that's why God told Moses that he (Moses) will appear before Pharaoh as God! Exodus 7:1

So when God told the Israelites that He will still send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter explained that Jesus is that prophet who served as servant of God but acted as God in the midst of God's people! Act 3:22

what you fail to understand is that it was God that actually came down from heaven by himself.

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.


Exodus 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

God called him from the fire so God actually came down.
I can even show you from Jehovah's witness publication that Jehovah can become anything to fulfill his plan.

This present earth and heaven will be totally wiped of, there will not be any trace of it left at all. However, God will create a totally new one in which only those who are righteous (the righteousness that is from Jesus Chris will dwell.
Before the destruction of the new heavens and earth, Jesus will reign in this old one for a thousand year and fulfill all the remaining prophecy of this earth. Satan would be bound, Jesus will restore the adamic paradise on earth, humans will live very long time but there will still be death, The nation of Israel would be restored, all those of his servants who had loses on earth due to following him would be compensated, Jesus would appoint those Christians who are worthy to govern the earth they will rule according to Jesus laws and decrees. No sinner would ever get any position of power again, sin shall have instantaneous judgment, alot of prophecies will be fulfilled, and at the same time angelic judgment would be going on, for the Saint will be the ones handling it. Jesus will rule with an iron rod during the millennium but after it ends Satan would be released again and he will deceive the unsaved people and they will try to take over the holy city but will meet their abrupt end.
After then this the whole universe would be destroyed and removed out of existence and at the same time the white throne judgment would take place.