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Boomark:
I want to use this opportunity to call for a bible challenge on Trinity. I want to prove to the whole world that trinity is a false doctrine from the antichrist and not the will of God. The challenge will actually expose those who have been believing a lie and are subtly opposing Christ. I call on trinitarians to nominate any person who you feel is capable.

This place will be used as the discussion platform. Apart from the contestants and referee, no post will be allowed in the main challenge thread until it is over and a winner emerge.

If no one turns up to challenge me, then it will be obvious that trinity doctrine is truly a false doctrine. By then, I will fly around with the name of Jehovah God like a bird with ten thousand wings. And you will also know the I am Boomark of God.

So if you feel you are capable and not scared, take up the challenge. You people are plenty so I believe you won't disappoint your belief. The challenge will start on Wednesday 30th July 2025, that is next week.

These are the guidelines which will be copied to the main challenge thread.


Bible Challenge Topic: The Father is One God over all Vs Trinity.

Participants:
Boomark [The Father is One God over all]

And

Name [Trinity- define it]

Duration: Till the last claim

Bible Versions:
Any version allowed. Each participant must state the version used when quoting scripture.

Challenge Rules:

Rule 1: The Bible Alone
Only the Bible will be used as authority. Each person must prove their claim with scripture. No assuming or borrowing anything from science, commentaries, traditions, creeds, etc.

Rule 2: Context Always
Verses must be explained in their immediate and full context. Never isolate a verse to prove a point.

Rule 3: Equal Turns
Each person gets the same number of responses per point/claim. Till any exhaust their claim.

Rule 4: Respect and Clarity
Use respectful language. Focus on proving truth, not mocking.

Rule 5: One Topic at a Time
The challenge or claim must be focused on proving or disproving the Trinity. Do not bring in unrelated topics (e.g., Sabbath, tithing, etc.).

Rule 6: ChatGPT for scoring
This will be used to determine claims and rebuttal that are in context and in line with the scripture. So no one will keep insisting on a claim or rebuttal that is out of point. No partialty.

Daily Challenge Format

Claim and rebuttal/support will be rotated in turn between Mr A and Mr B. And it must not exceed 24 hrs after it has been made, else, +10 point will be awarded to the opponent of the one who refused to respond.

Mr A will make his claim in favour or against trinity with one or more scriptures.

Mr B will either support or offer a rebuttal to his claim with scripture.

Note: Always remember the add, Do you agree? after each claim.

Make your presentation in this format:

Claim:

Key verses:

Or

Rebuttal:

Key verses:


SCORING

The admin or marker we choose will add our claim and rebuttal into this scoring prompt and paste into ChatGPT after each round of your Bible challenge:


Topic: The Father is one God over all or Trinity?

CLAIM:
[Paste your full message here]


REBUTTAL:
[Paste their full message here]

✅ Instructions:
Please analyze both responses and score this round based on:

1. Who used scripture more clearly and accurately?

2. Did either person use scripture out of context?

3. Did either side prove or avoid the point?

4. Who followed the challenge rules more closely?

5. Which response was closer to the truth based on the Bible alone?

Then give:

A brief summary

A winner for this round (if clear)


AWARDING POINTS

Successful claim = 10 points

Successful rebuttal = 10 points

Claim without a counter or rebuttal will be regarded as successful after 24 hours.

If one of the participants has exhausted his claim, the one who still have claims will continue to make claims while the opponent has the right to rebuttal or support and points will be awarded accordingly.


Boomark score:

Mr B score:

You have to clarify what trinity is, so people would understand your line of argument.
Bookmark what is trinity?

Ken4Christ:
Don't mind them. Jesus is fully God. He claimed the only name God calls himself:

He said 'before Abraham was. I Am.
He said, I am the first and the last.
The Bible says that all things were made by him and without him was nothing made.
God the Father called Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8 and confirmed he created everything.

God is Almighty and thus has the ability to manifest himself in different forms but yet the same person.

Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes, absolutely.
Why then are some folks don't accept that Jesus is God?

If Jesus is not God and he sent down the Holy Spirit who is God, how can you reconcile this?

How can someone who isn't God send God the Spirit to come down to earth.

He even added that the Holy Spirit will only speak what he hears from him and he will glory Jesus. Hallelujah.

This mystery is too high for the carnal mind.

May the Lord grant all these sceptics understanding in the mighty name of Jesus.

They have their own twisted interpretation to verses that shows Jesus is God. Imagine saying Almighty God is not a deity? Is that not blasphemy? He is willing to blaspheme Jehovah because the scripture clearly said Jesus is God.

If supposing abacha was alive he would have hosted him, even the devil can even be hosted self. Jagban himself.

Janosky:
"The son is NOT God himself.
Nor is he divine in the same sense that the Father is."
Source: Tertullian,early Church Father

Oga Steep, go and rest jare .
No dey deceive yourself

The same Tertullian told you that the Son is of same essence with the father. You have ran away from theotes because you found out your lie could not stand.
If Jesus has the fulness of God hood then he is God.

Janosky:
Your early church Father Tertullian says no.
Theotes meaning divine nature/quality.
The word "Godhead" is not in any Greek manuscript.
In Greek,the word "deity" mean a god or goddess.
OR
"Essential nature of a god."
Some people change am to state of being God but the real meaning is a god.
In Greek ,"deity" is not,never God Almighty.


Don't be spreading false info on this forum.
I dey beg you.
Read the screenshot.

even your source says that Jesus is made up same stuff the father is made up off.
Lol I nor fit shout.
Do you even know the meaning of deity? You are grasping a straws. In Greek Almighty God is a deity.

Ohyoudidnt:
Matthew 28:18–19 is frequently cited to back the concept of the Trinity, but it actually illustrates Jesus receiving authority from God, rather than being equal to Him. Verse 18 suggests a hierarchy—“All power is given unto me…” This clearly shows that Jesus is granted authority, rather than having it inherently. This challenges the notion that he is co-equal and co-eternal with God.

While verse 19 mentions the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, it doesn’t claim they are one or equal. In fact, the apostles in Acts never quote Matthew 28:19 when baptizing; they consistently do so in the name of Jesus alone, not using three names (see Acts 2:38, 8:16, 19:5).

"baptize them in the name (not names) of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit all have one name. This is oneness of nature.
So if Jesus is given all power that means he is Almighty. Because only an Almighty being can wield all power.

The doctrine of the Trinity emerged centuries later. Early Christians, like Eusebius, referenced this verse without the Trinitarian formula, hinting at possible later modifications.

Kindly verify that the Christian historian Edmund Schlink wrote that the baptismal command in its Matthew 28:19 form cannot be traced back to the historical Jesus with certainty."

Theologian F. C. Conybeare concluded that the Trinitarian formula was inserted into Matthew 28:19 to align with later theological developments.

it was not added. I thought you said the Christian Bible does not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity, but here you are trying to discredit a verse in the scripture that teaches Trinity after trying to deny it does not. Make it make sense.

Ohyoudidnt:
Then this Christian God is not in perfect agreement with all the verses of the Christian book called Bible

It is. Mathew 28:18 says baptizing is in the name of the father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit. This is Trinity.
Paul ended some of his epistle by saying the grace of Jesus christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the holy Spirit. Jesus referred to the holy Spirit as someone who will dwell in his disciples forever. It is allover the Christian Bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
The main concern here isn't just about the order of operations; it's really about how we understand the different roles within the Divine. This idea seems to clash with the strict belief in one God. Even if the Trinity suggests that there's equality in essence but different roles, splitting up identity or function within God is not but introducing partners alongside Allah.

The Christian God is not same as Allah. In Christianity one God means one essence, but three in personhood but in Islam Allah is singular both in his essence and in his personhood.

Ohyoudidnt:
So are you saying one verse says this and the other the opposite?

You seem to refer perhaps among others 1 Cor. 8:6.

The verse makes a clear distinction between the Father and Jesus: the Father is referred to as “God,” while Jesus is called “Lord.” This shows that the Father is the source of creation, and Jesus serves as the means through which it happens. This isn’t about equality; it’s about hierarchy. Even Paul acknowledges that God is the head of Christ.

Corinthians 11:3:
The head of Christ is God.

Philippians 2:9:
God exalted him [Jesus]…

Only someone less than God can be exalted by God.

1 Timothy 2:5:
There is one God, and one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus ( by Christian belief)

no hierarchy within the trinity instead there is order operation rather than inequality of nature.
Jesus, The father and The holy Spirit are one. But have different order of operation.
For example, all things came from the Father through the Son and by the Spirit.
The Father is the head of Christ because the father ordained Jesus christ.

Ohyoudidnt:
If Paul truly believed that Jesus was God, he wouldn't refer to God as the head of Christ or restrict God to just the Father.

The head of Christ is God.

In simple terms, God holds authority over Christ.

There is one God and Father of all, who is above all, through all, and in all.

why don't you continue the verse he also said there is one LORD by whom are all things, you just pick a from a verse what you think aligns with your belief, not minding the other pars and verses goes against your belief.
You have jumped into another topic.

Ohyoudidnt:
How exactly?

what is how? That is what the word theotes mean.

Ohyoudidnt:
No one has ever truly seen God in His complete divine form, as the Scriptures make it clear that no one can see God and survive (Exodus 33:20, John 1:18).

The phrase the fullness of God dwells in Christ (Colossians 2:9) is a metaphor that Paul uses, not Jesus. It doesn’t imply that Jesus is God; instead, it suggests that Jesus embodies God’s wisdom, guidance, and authority—similar to other prophets.

Prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel experienced visions or symbolic representations of God like the Ancient of Days but they didn’t encounter His actual essence.

These appearances, known as theophanies, were limited and often veiled, taking forms like fire, cloud, or an angel.

Take note and understand theophany and it's use in the scripture.

Actually it implies Jesus is fully God.
The word interpreted as "Godhead" is theotes in Greek and it means the state of being God.
Paul was saying that Jesus is fully God.

Chibuezem:
If you are talking of being equal to God then No there's is an order of creation
God (Father, Son, Holy spirit)
Man
Angels
Animals
Plants
Etc
Sharing his nature and eternity makes me manifest whatever My father had planned for me.
Jesus Christ was God even before He came in human flesh to die for my sins
Philippians 2:5-10 NLT - 5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
he took the humble position of a slave
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,
8 he humbled himself in obedience to God
and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
and gave him the name above all other names,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Man was made a little lower than the angels.
The order of creation is actually
God
Angels
Man
Animals
Plants


Psalms 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

gohf:
is that what you felt I did?

John 1:1 never called Jesus God but you claim it did. theos en ho logos is what is written there and not Jesus is God but steep you have never listened to the truth so why should I waste my time telling it to you, it's not the first time we have conversed but you feel satisfied to believe I buried my head in the sand. Okay I agree I did, enjoy, say it Everytime you speak of me, feel proud about it let it give you joy and peace ✌🏾

John 1:1 said the word was God. That makes the word God, why do you guys avoid this part, be honest with yourselves.
Jesus describe his persistence using "I am" which is God's name in the old testament. A name that denotes God's eternal being.

Boomark:
Ephesians 3:14-15, 19 NIV
[14] For this reason I kneel before the Father, [15] from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.
[19] and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

We are taking about the fullness of God/God's nature.

You were shocked to see that and you have switched to we shall be like him, and meaning of Christian.

Satan has decieved all of you. You can pretend you didn't see it.

Go and answer my question well

John 1:1 Jesus is God.

gohf:
boomark see this one quoting steep, steep at least you can see this one referring to God as a "concept" and not a person. Boomark when you asked him to define God, did show24 give a performance or he went dancing around accusing you of not answering things he imagined and filmed in his own mind?

When I asked you question you dodge and hide, John 1:1 called Jesus God, if you like bury your head in the sand, it doesn't change the truth.

gohf:
The Ten Commandments according to Roman Catholic Church

1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shall not have strange gods before Me.
2. Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor thy father and mother.
5. Thou shall not kill.
6. Thou shall not commit adultery.
7. Thou shall not steal.
8. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.

They created fake ten commandments, turned jesus to God, removed Idolatry the very sin of worship any other as God.

The Roman catholic church is right in some things and wrong in others. In other to sieve the right ones from the wrong ones all you need is the Bible.
For example the Roman catholic church is right in teaching the commandment but wrong in ommiting one of them which is the commandment against idols.
They are are right about the trinity but wrong in veneration of Mary and other saints and also some of their teachings concerning Mary.
So you are disingenuous by trying to condemn the trinity doctrine because the Roman catholic church teaches it not because the scripture itself supports the doctrine of the trinity.

Goosethetruth:
Who Was Hermann Detering?
Hermann Detering (1953–2018) was a Hermann Detering was a German Protestant pastor and theologian. He was known for reviving the radical-critical view of early Christianity, arguing that the Apostle Paul as we know him was largely a fabricated figure. His work drew heavily from the Dutch Radical School, which questioned the authenticity of all Pauline letters.

So your source is a man who was heavily influenced by anti Paul school who obviously was anti Paul? Anybody can claim anything but evidence determines facts.

1. Detering’s Core Thesis: The Fabricated Paul
Detering claimed that most, if not all, Pauline letters were either forged or edited in the second century. He believed that the image of Paul was shaped by theological needs and power struggles in the early Church.

It is easy to put forth an idiosyncratic statement and heap the blame on the church. The question is who are the church and from what source do you get this information? Power struggle within the church could have easily exposed any forgery or altering of the Pauline epistle.
What theological needs of the church?

According to his postulation Paul was not the founder of Christianity— The idea of Paul as a founder was a later church theological construction.
Most Pauline letters are forgeries.by church elders for theological purposes .Even the so-called undisputed ones were likely edited by church scribes or written later.

No where in the Pauline Epistles was it stated that Paul was the founder of Christianity. So what evidence do you have to say the church scribes edited or wrote the Pauline letters?

Paul is a literary figure~ He was constructed and created to serve the needs of various factions of the early church elders leaders and probably the Roman government of the day for power and control of the populace.

why will the Roman government create a figure that proclaim Jesus Christ a Jewish man as Lord instead of one of their own? It does not make sense, and also the Roman society is an elitist society, so why would the subvert their society by creating a figure that declares everybody as one?
Your myth is easy to dismiss. Every society government, tribe and ethnic group always promote or create a system, story that put their society, emperor etc as a superior. But not so in the Pauline Epistles Jesus a Jewish Messiah is glorified.

The Book of Acts is unreliable as an historical record or a historical evidence. ~It’s a second-century text aiming to tame and harmonize Paul’s image vis a viz the original apostles.

stop lying, Acts is generally regarded as reliable.

2. Marcion’s influence~The radical Paul may have originated in Marcion’s canon and was later revised. Marcion an early Christian leader believed in two Gods. The evil God of the old testament and the loving God of the new testament. He was the first personality to create a bibliography of old testament and new testament books which he called a bible. He was declared a heretic and banished from the church but apparently the early church leaders incorporated part of his philosophy to create the literary Paul according to Dettering's postulation.

marcion was a gnostic, which is a religion on its own.

3. Textual and Theological Evidence

Detering cited stylistic inconsistencies, theological contradictions, and anachronisms in the Pauline letters to support his claim. The Pastoral Epistles reflect second-century church structures such as ranks of Bishops and deacons. Shifts in tone and theology suggest redactions or multiple authors of these missives.

what are the evidences, how do you know the first century do have te structure? What is your source?

4. Early Christianity Was Divided and was a battleground between various factions such as the Jews/Judaism,the gnostics,the Marcionites, the liberals, the Christians and the Roman government of the day.

what is your source? So when has Judaism become a faction of Christianity or gnosticism? Or the Roman government? Or the marcionites? Or liberals?

The figure of Paul was used and reshaped to resolve these theological conflicts amongst all these diverse warring groups.

what conflict? If the figure of Paul was created to resolve conflict, why does it contradict gnosticim, liberals, Judaism and the Roman government?

5. Connection to the Christ Myth Theory
Detering leaned toward the idea that Jesus, like Paul, was more symbolic than historical. He believed neither Paul or Jesus were historical but were mythical creations of the early church.The gospel narratives were seen as theological fiction, not historical records.

Do you even know the meaning of historical, all the people mentioned in the gospels were real people and real places, in your other thread you ran away from you claim the gospels were not written during the times of the Apostles, meaning the apostles really exists.

6. Reconstructed Timeline of Paul (Detering's View)


30s–40s CE: A real figure like Paul may have existed.

100–120 CE: Marcion assembles and edits Pauline letters.

120–150 CE: Proto-Catholics react and begin rewriting Paul.

130–150 CE: Acts of the Apostles is written.

150–200 CE: Canonical letters and Pastoral Epistles finalized.


7. Theological and Historical Implications

*Christian doctrine may rest on edited or forged letters.

*The historical Paul is unknowable, or perhaps never existed.

*All Christian faith and theological thought was shaped by ideological editing and theological embellishing and not just divine inspiration.

what is your evidence and source?

[Detering’s Message
Detering urged scholars and believers alike to distinguish between inherited tradition and historical reality. He believed that honest, critical examination strengthens faith rather than undermining it.

So if Paul's letters could be forged and the Acts of the Apostles is unreliable historical,how can we rely or believe in the gospels of Matthew,Mark,Luke and John that were written latter?

All of these is hinged on "if" meaning not certain. The overwhelming evidence actually is that the the epistles of Paul were written by actual Paul, there is no evidence that the Roman fathers, church leaders edited the Bible why there are overwhelming copies of the new testament that would make it impossible to alter. The Roman catholic Church was founded in 590 CE and the scriptures predates the Roman catholic church, hence the Roman catholic church cannot alter the scripture at the early stage.
With the assume different sects of Christianity one would have seen different gospels and letters of Paul reflecting each view but however this is not so, as all copies of scripture are similar with just minor divations called copies error.
Op is obviously bitter and enrage against Christianity that he grasped at straws and anything he sees is against Christianity not minding its evident contradictions and inaccuracies.

I enjoyed listening to some of his sermons. He has finally taken his rest.

In the old testament poverty was a direct curse upon the Israel if they failed to keep the law but however that does not mean poverty is always a curse in the Bible.

judewrites:
What is poverty? It's lack.

How can you claim that poverty isn't a curse??

Na wa o🤷‍♀️

Even Jesus became poor to make us rich.

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
— 2 Corinthians 8:9

Paul was speaking of the riches of christ that is yet to be revealed but in the believers.

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Poverty is a result of the adamic fall not the curse itself.
Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Christ is the riches of the believers, not material possession.

judewrites:
I beg to differ.....

I highly respect pastor Adeboye because of his humility and steadfastness in the authentic gospel of Jesus.

God's original intention for man was never poverty.... poverty came in because of the fall of Adam and Eve which brought the curse of poverty:

Genesis 3 (KJV)
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¹⁷ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

¹⁸ Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

¹⁹ In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Poverty is a curse because it limits one from fully fulfilling destiny: fruitfulness, multiplication and dominance (Genesis 1: 28)

oga poverty is not a curse but the adamic sin, a result of the fallen world and fallen human nature.. The curse in Genesis is the hardship in working. Even the rich pass through this hardship. It is not easy to be rich and those that would be rich piece themselves with many sorrows.

Do you know that death is a curse, and also adeboye is getting old which is a result of the adamic curse.

Aging is also the result of adamic curse.

Boomark:
Does the scriptures I presented look like an argument? Do you think Christ want to argue with you on the things he confirmed by himself?

Whatever you define and call Christian theology which is against the words of Christ Jesus is from ANTICHRIST.

I am not the one to define your trinity for you. MaxInDHouse has already defined trinity for you with Egyptian idol. He even added pictures for you. You are free to be using it while we wait for it to appear in the bible.

1 Peter 3:15
[15] but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.


Here they are, not ready to defend what they believe in. But are begging
and asking me to define their trinity for them. One Gabrielshow24 was also begging me to define God for him before he probably tell me, "Have you seen? From your definition you can see that Christ is wrong in all the scriptures you posted."

I started by making it clear that your belief is hanging on the mercy of false interpretation not on the word of God.

They all err not knowing the scripture.

We only want to make sure you knew what you were up against and not just beating empty air. How will people know if what you call trinity is actually the trinity? Nobody knows your argument.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you answering him? 😂He can't even define the concept called "God"! He is here positing that Jesus is not God. These are the kind of people that quote scriptures without taking context. The same John that wrote that verse, also wrote in revelation about seeing the ancient of days and the lamb. Prophets of old wrote of their visions seeing the ancient of days yet someone takes from a verse, "no man has seen God" and uses it as a conclusion that The prophet of old didn't see God and Jesus saying "whosoever that sees him as seen God" has also said rubbish 😂😂😂!

You can imagine the mental incompetence, shouldn't wisdom not tell him that the "seeing" there warrants a different context 👀. He even forgot the ending clause, "the son hath revealed him to us" 😂😂😂.

There's no matter, his arguments are self defeating!

I jus tire, he is just arguing with himself

Boomark:
THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death.This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

3) Revelation 3:12 NIrV
[12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.

Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...


Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures showa that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

If you read from verse 14, you will see that God made him every thing he is.

Jesus is subject to God and will hand over everything to God in the end. Read this carefully.

1 Corinthians 15:24, 27-28 HCSB
[24] Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

See also Acts 3:22-23, 7:37.

Jesus Christ is a prophet serving God Almighty. He is a mediator between God and man.

Jesus confirmed that he says things exactly as God commands him. As the prophecy in Deuteronomy puts it, "God will command him on what to say." He will not say things by his own authority or will.

John 12:49-50 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. [50] And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

See John 7:16, 8:28, 14:10.

God Almighty is not a prophet but prophets are his servants who say what they hear from him. All the prophecies in Revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God to say and show what he received from God.

JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have fallen away from the truth.

KING OF KINGS

God as King of kings: 1 Tim 6:15, Dan 2:47

Jesus as King of kings: Rev 17:14, Rev 19:16.

Nebuchadnezzar as King of kings: Dan 2:37. God made Nebuchadnezzar king of kings.

These three persons are not trinity or equal just because they bear king of kings. Nebuchadnezzar being in the form of king of kings does not make him equal to God. Titles does not determine who is who.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

It was mentioned for God in Revelation 1:8, and 21:6. For Jesus in Revelation 22:13.

This title does not make Jesus equal to his God and it does not mean that Jesus Christ is the same person as God the Father. Just as Nebuchadnezzar is not the person called Jesus Christ. And there is no where it says that this is reserved for God Almighty alone. We have saviours in heaven and on earth but God almighty is the true saviour who sends all saviours to man.

Revelation 1:1 GNT
[1] This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Revelation came from God Almighty and he gave it to Jesus to show people. The God who said in the beginning, "let us make man..." is still the same God that designed the revelation of the end which was given to Jesus. God is the brain behind everything.

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

I and my Father are one. One what if I may ask? The bible made this clear but those who are believing a lie have continued to use this to misinterpret the word of God.

John 17:22 GNT
[22] I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one, just as you and I are one:

Just as you and I are one, let them be one. It is like saying that husband and wife became one. They are not equal because the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God, 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Trinity doctrine is rooted in gross misinterpretation of the scripture and falsehood to turn people away from the only true God.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From Matthew 7:21-23, you will see that Christ the holy servant of God is not interested in what you claim or think you are doing for him to please him. The only thing that pleases him is the will of God. Do the will of God the Father whom he serves else you are rejecting him and the Father who sent and commanded him to say exactly what he commands.

THE ANTICHRIST

Anyone who rejects and do not believe words from Jesus Christ have rejected him. Those who rejects him have rejected God because those words came from God and they have made God a liar, John 12:49-50. Those who rejected him are antichrist, 2 John 1:7,9, 1 John 5:10.

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

Before you start an argument you should at least do well to define or explain important terms before anything.
In all of these your write ups, you did not even explain what the trinity actually mean.
What is the trinity According to Christian theology. Present an accurate definition of it.

Goosethetruth:
It is quite amusing how Christians love burying their heads in the sand when confronted by the truth about their religious book.
The answer this guy (typing with caps locked aggressively) seeks, have already been postulated severally on this thread by myself. There is even a graphic image that shows which texts preceeded each other, but apparently comprehension is a problem.
I will only respond to people who seek to advance their knowledge. Simple.
Tomorrow the thread continues for those who desire to advance their knowledge of the origins of the anonymous gospels,Paul's letters and their influence on Christianity.

You are the one burying your head in the sand: if you even had one. Instead of answering sir tee, you are deflecting.
Simple question before the letters of paul was there anything called gospel?
Simple yes or No would suffice.

TheMadame:
I once asked questions on why Paul never once mentions the virgin birth and Jesus parentage but recieved no answers. Rather I was insulted by people on this forum for the question. I did not even know Paul's letters preceeded the gospels of John,Mathew,John and Luke.
Hmmnm.



https://www.nairaland.com/5955499/paul-loud-silence-virgin-birth

That is because the virgin birth of not important in Paul's reason on writing his letters, as the church already knew about it.

Goosethetruth:
Guy, even the four gospels don't agree on the historical Jesus and the story of his ministry. The gospels are contradictions of themselves!The gospel writers copied themselves after embellishing Paul's letters and concept of Jesus plus oral traditions.
Educate yourself and do some research.
Best regards.

There are no contradictions in the gospel just slight deviations here and there, and that is because the purpose of each gospel is different audience.
So because Paul's letter came before the gospel meant the gospel copied from him? What Bush did you come from?

If you had education you should have known that there was already an oral tradition within the Christianity community about the death burial and resurrection long before any book of the new testament was written.

Goosethetruth:
I have written here that Paul's letter were written several years before the gospels which were written by nameless persons. It was the early fathers, elders and leaders of the early church that in their infinite wisdom that choose to affix these names to these books. It was by this same wisdom they decided which of the uncountable gospel stories floating around at this period in time made the cut and were included in the Bible.



It is of importance to note that Paul's missives that preceeded these nameless gospels (and I say this because Paul's name is attached to his letters.). Paul NEVER mentions very important points which are reflected in the gospels.
Paul never mentions :

1. The virgin birth ( mentioned in Mathew 1-2/ Luke1-2)

2.Paul never mentions the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist. (Mentioned in Mark.1,Luke3,and John1)

3.Paul never mentions Jesus being tempted by Satan in the wilderness(mentioned in Mathew 4:1-11,and Luke 4:1-13)

4. Paul does not mention the Sermon on the mountain and rarely mentions Jesus' parable and teachings.( mentioned in Mathew 5.

5.Paul never mentions the feeding of 5,000 people, nor Jesus walking on water,nor the raising of dead persons.

6. Paul never mentions any triumphant entry into Jerusalem on a donkey.( mentioned in Mathew 21,Mark 11,Luke 19,and John 19.)

7. Paul never mentions Jesus trial before Pilate.

8. Paul does not mention the empty tomb or the women at the tomb( mentioned in Mark 16:1-8. Mathew 28:1-10,Luke24:1-12,and John 20:1-18)

So where do all these stories included in the gospels and regarded as cornerstones of Christianity come from??

why should Paul write what has already being written?
Paul letters agreed with the gospels that Jesus was a real person who died and rose again from the dead. There is an internal agreement with scriptures that separates it from falsehoods. The new testament is centered on Jesus sinless life, death and resurrection, that has always being the church tradition from inception.

sonmvayina:
They used several sources like the writings of Josephus and ancient tales about Marduk....

I don't think Paul was a real person too. The works attributed to Paul are all works of Apolinius of tyna. It was edited probably by John chysostom.

Paul is not a real person? What a dunce! You can as well say Christopher Columbus is not a real person.

Goosethetruth:
First of all,none of the names on the four gospels in the Bible are the names of the writers of those books!
Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are not the names of the writers of those books. These names are pseudonyms of the unknown writers of those books.
None of these nameless writers were witnesses to the gospel stories they wrote about nor were they followers of Jesus.
Jesus himself did not write a single word in any shape or form about his work.
The writers of these gospels simply relied on oral traditions, myths, and the letters of Paul formerly known as Saul to create the content in their stories.

Who Wrote the Four Gospels?

The only firsthand testimony that we have about the life and teachings of Jesus comes from the four Gospels. Who were the people that wrote these books?

The authorship is credited to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There are three basic reasons why we believe the men bearing their names wrote the four gospels.

1. There Is Unanimous Tradition As To The Authorship Of The Gospels

The four gospels are unanimously attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - there are no other candidates. With works as important as the gospels it is unlikely that the original authors would have been forgotten. To quickly command acceptance from the people it had to have an author that was known.

Three Of The Four Authors Are Unlikely

The authors of our four gospels would not have been the obvious choices to write the accounts of the life of Christ. Only one of these four men (John) was a prominent character in the New Testament. Why attribute a book to the others if they were not the authors? The unanimous attestation of these unlikely authors is another strong reason for accepting the traditional view that they penned their respective gospels.

The Documents Were Identified By Tags

The early preservation of the name of the author is another consideration. It was a common literary practice during the time of Christ to preserve the name of the author of a written work. Scrolls with written text on both sides had tags glued to them (called a sittybos in Greek) that insured the preservation of the author's name. They were attached in such a way that a person could see who authored the scroll without unrolling it. This is similar to the function of the spine on our modern books - one does not have to open the book to find out who wrote it.

With four different written gospels circulating, there needed to be a way to distinguish them from each other. The term "gospel" would not be enough, seeing that there was more than one circulating. Therefore the church had to preserve the name of each gospel writer at an early date. The tag on the outside of the scroll would accomplish that purpose. It would read in Greek, "Gospel of Matthew" or "Gospel of Mark."

There Are No Variations In The Titles

The fact that this happened is clear in that there are no variations in the titles of the gospels. Every source is unanimous that Matthew wrote Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, Luke penned his gospel, and John wrote his.

These three reasons - the unanimous testimony of the church, the unlikely authorship of these men, and the early identification of the document, all present a strong case for the traditional authorship of the gospels.

Goosethetruth:
A saddening fact about Christians is a blatant refusal to search the origin of their religion. It is as if Christians have a morbid fear that researching the origins of stories they have held dear to heart will shake the foundations of all their beliefs.

On this thread we are going to attempt to research the origins of Christianity. If you are offended and not interested in knowledge you are free to stop reading at this point. If you are not offended and wish to gain a little knowledge then you are free to follow me down the rabbit hole.

Whatever is written in this thread can be freely cross checked and researched independently.

See ignorance in full display, The origin of Christianity is clear and unambiguous, it's origin is form Jesus himself and his apostles. First you guys claim he didn't exist, when you found out your lie couldn't hold you switch to attacking the historicity of the scripture.
Do a proper study of the historicity of Jesus and you will find out the Bible is more reliable than any historical books.