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Gabrielshow24:
Are you answering him? 😂He can't even define the concept called "God"! He is here positing that Jesus is not God. These are the kind of people that quote scriptures without taking context. The same John that wrote that verse, also wrote in revelation about seeing the ancient of days and the lamb. Prophets of old wrote of their visions seeing the ancient of days yet someone takes from a verse, "no man has seen God" and uses it as a conclusion that The prophet of old didn't see God and Jesus saying "whosoever that sees him as seen God" has also said rubbish 😂😂😂!

You can imagine the mental incompetence, shouldn't wisdom not tell him that the "seeing" there warrants a different context 👀. He even forgot the ending clause, "the son hath revealed him to us" 😂😂😂.

There's no matter, his arguments are self defeating!

I jus tire, he is just arguing with himself

Boomark:
THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death.This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

3) Revelation 3:12 NIrV
[12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.

Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...


Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures showa that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

If you read from verse 14, you will see that God made him every thing he is.

Jesus is subject to God and will hand over everything to God in the end. Read this carefully.

1 Corinthians 15:24, 27-28 HCSB
[24] Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

See also Acts 3:22-23, 7:37.

Jesus Christ is a prophet serving God Almighty. He is a mediator between God and man.

Jesus confirmed that he says things exactly as God commands him. As the prophecy in Deuteronomy puts it, "God will command him on what to say." He will not say things by his own authority or will.

John 12:49-50 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. [50] And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

See John 7:16, 8:28, 14:10.

God Almighty is not a prophet but prophets are his servants who say what they hear from him. All the prophecies in Revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God to say and show what he received from God.

JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have fallen away from the truth.

KING OF KINGS

God as King of kings: 1 Tim 6:15, Dan 2:47

Jesus as King of kings: Rev 17:14, Rev 19:16.

Nebuchadnezzar as King of kings: Dan 2:37. God made Nebuchadnezzar king of kings.

These three persons are not trinity or equal just because they bear king of kings. Nebuchadnezzar being in the form of king of kings does not make him equal to God. Titles does not determine who is who.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

It was mentioned for God in Revelation 1:8, and 21:6. For Jesus in Revelation 22:13.

This title does not make Jesus equal to his God and it does not mean that Jesus Christ is the same person as God the Father. Just as Nebuchadnezzar is not the person called Jesus Christ. And there is no where it says that this is reserved for God Almighty alone. We have saviours in heaven and on earth but God almighty is the true saviour who sends all saviours to man.

Revelation 1:1 GNT
[1] This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Revelation came from God Almighty and he gave it to Jesus to show people. The God who said in the beginning, "let us make man..." is still the same God that designed the revelation of the end which was given to Jesus. God is the brain behind everything.

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

I and my Father are one. One what if I may ask? The bible made this clear but those who are believing a lie have continued to use this to misinterpret the word of God.

John 17:22 GNT
[22] I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one, just as you and I are one:

Just as you and I are one, let them be one. It is like saying that husband and wife became one. They are not equal because the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God, 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Trinity doctrine is rooted in gross misinterpretation of the scripture and falsehood to turn people away from the only true God.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From Matthew 7:21-23, you will see that Christ the holy servant of God is not interested in what you claim or think you are doing for him to please him. The only thing that pleases him is the will of God. Do the will of God the Father whom he serves else you are rejecting him and the Father who sent and commanded him to say exactly what he commands.

THE ANTICHRIST

Anyone who rejects and do not believe words from Jesus Christ have rejected him. Those who rejects him have rejected God because those words came from God and they have made God a liar, John 12:49-50. Those who rejected him are antichrist, 2 John 1:7,9, 1 John 5:10.

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

Before you start an argument you should at least do well to define or explain important terms before anything.
In all of these your write ups, you did not even explain what the trinity actually mean.
What is the trinity According to Christian theology. Present an accurate definition of it.

Goosethetruth:
It is quite amusing how Christians love burying their heads in the sand when confronted by the truth about their religious book.
The answer this guy (typing with caps locked aggressively) seeks, have already been postulated severally on this thread by myself. There is even a graphic image that shows which texts preceeded each other, but apparently comprehension is a problem.
I will only respond to people who seek to advance their knowledge. Simple.
Tomorrow the thread continues for those who desire to advance their knowledge of the origins of the anonymous gospels,Paul's letters and their influence on Christianity.

You are the one burying your head in the sand: if you even had one. Instead of answering sir tee, you are deflecting.
Simple question before the letters of paul was there anything called gospel?
Simple yes or No would suffice.

TheMadame:
I once asked questions on why Paul never once mentions the virgin birth and Jesus parentage but recieved no answers. Rather I was insulted by people on this forum for the question. I did not even know Paul's letters preceeded the gospels of John,Mathew,John and Luke.
Hmmnm.



https://www.nairaland.com/5955499/paul-loud-silence-virgin-birth

That is because the virgin birth of not important in Paul's reason on writing his letters, as the church already knew about it.

Goosethetruth:
Guy, even the four gospels don't agree on the historical Jesus and the story of his ministry. The gospels are contradictions of themselves!The gospel writers copied themselves after embellishing Paul's letters and concept of Jesus plus oral traditions.
Educate yourself and do some research.
Best regards.

There are no contradictions in the gospel just slight deviations here and there, and that is because the purpose of each gospel is different audience.
So because Paul's letter came before the gospel meant the gospel copied from him? What Bush did you come from?

If you had education you should have known that there was already an oral tradition within the Christianity community about the death burial and resurrection long before any book of the new testament was written.

Goosethetruth:
I have written here that Paul's letter were written several years before the gospels which were written by nameless persons. It was the early fathers, elders and leaders of the early church that in their infinite wisdom that choose to affix these names to these books. It was by this same wisdom they decided which of the uncountable gospel stories floating around at this period in time made the cut and were included in the Bible.



It is of importance to note that Paul's missives that preceeded these nameless gospels (and I say this because Paul's name is attached to his letters.). Paul NEVER mentions very important points which are reflected in the gospels.
Paul never mentions :

1. The virgin birth ( mentioned in Mathew 1-2/ Luke1-2)

2.Paul never mentions the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist. (Mentioned in Mark.1,Luke3,and John1)

3.Paul never mentions Jesus being tempted by Satan in the wilderness(mentioned in Mathew 4:1-11,and Luke 4:1-13)

4. Paul does not mention the Sermon on the mountain and rarely mentions Jesus' parable and teachings.( mentioned in Mathew 5.

5.Paul never mentions the feeding of 5,000 people, nor Jesus walking on water,nor the raising of dead persons.

6. Paul never mentions any triumphant entry into Jerusalem on a donkey.( mentioned in Mathew 21,Mark 11,Luke 19,and John 19.)

7. Paul never mentions Jesus trial before Pilate.

8. Paul does not mention the empty tomb or the women at the tomb( mentioned in Mark 16:1-8. Mathew 28:1-10,Luke24:1-12,and John 20:1-18)

So where do all these stories included in the gospels and regarded as cornerstones of Christianity come from??

why should Paul write what has already being written?
Paul letters agreed with the gospels that Jesus was a real person who died and rose again from the dead. There is an internal agreement with scriptures that separates it from falsehoods. The new testament is centered on Jesus sinless life, death and resurrection, that has always being the church tradition from inception.

sonmvayina:
They used several sources like the writings of Josephus and ancient tales about Marduk....

I don't think Paul was a real person too. The works attributed to Paul are all works of Apolinius of tyna. It was edited probably by John chysostom.

Paul is not a real person? What a dunce! You can as well say Christopher Columbus is not a real person.

Goosethetruth:
First of all,none of the names on the four gospels in the Bible are the names of the writers of those books!
Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are not the names of the writers of those books. These names are pseudonyms of the unknown writers of those books.
None of these nameless writers were witnesses to the gospel stories they wrote about nor were they followers of Jesus.
Jesus himself did not write a single word in any shape or form about his work.
The writers of these gospels simply relied on oral traditions, myths, and the letters of Paul formerly known as Saul to create the content in their stories.

Who Wrote the Four Gospels?

The only firsthand testimony that we have about the life and teachings of Jesus comes from the four Gospels. Who were the people that wrote these books?

The authorship is credited to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There are three basic reasons why we believe the men bearing their names wrote the four gospels.

1. There Is Unanimous Tradition As To The Authorship Of The Gospels

The four gospels are unanimously attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - there are no other candidates. With works as important as the gospels it is unlikely that the original authors would have been forgotten. To quickly command acceptance from the people it had to have an author that was known.

Three Of The Four Authors Are Unlikely

The authors of our four gospels would not have been the obvious choices to write the accounts of the life of Christ. Only one of these four men (John) was a prominent character in the New Testament. Why attribute a book to the others if they were not the authors? The unanimous attestation of these unlikely authors is another strong reason for accepting the traditional view that they penned their respective gospels.

The Documents Were Identified By Tags

The early preservation of the name of the author is another consideration. It was a common literary practice during the time of Christ to preserve the name of the author of a written work. Scrolls with written text on both sides had tags glued to them (called a sittybos in Greek) that insured the preservation of the author's name. They were attached in such a way that a person could see who authored the scroll without unrolling it. This is similar to the function of the spine on our modern books - one does not have to open the book to find out who wrote it.

With four different written gospels circulating, there needed to be a way to distinguish them from each other. The term "gospel" would not be enough, seeing that there was more than one circulating. Therefore the church had to preserve the name of each gospel writer at an early date. The tag on the outside of the scroll would accomplish that purpose. It would read in Greek, "Gospel of Matthew" or "Gospel of Mark."

There Are No Variations In The Titles

The fact that this happened is clear in that there are no variations in the titles of the gospels. Every source is unanimous that Matthew wrote Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, Luke penned his gospel, and John wrote his.

These three reasons - the unanimous testimony of the church, the unlikely authorship of these men, and the early identification of the document, all present a strong case for the traditional authorship of the gospels.

Goosethetruth:
A saddening fact about Christians is a blatant refusal to search the origin of their religion. It is as if Christians have a morbid fear that researching the origins of stories they have held dear to heart will shake the foundations of all their beliefs.

On this thread we are going to attempt to research the origins of Christianity. If you are offended and not interested in knowledge you are free to stop reading at this point. If you are not offended and wish to gain a little knowledge then you are free to follow me down the rabbit hole.

Whatever is written in this thread can be freely cross checked and researched independently.

See ignorance in full display, The origin of Christianity is clear and unambiguous, it's origin is form Jesus himself and his apostles. First you guys claim he didn't exist, when you found out your lie couldn't hold you switch to attacking the historicity of the scripture.
Do a proper study of the historicity of Jesus and you will find out the Bible is more reliable than any historical books.

Nnamdipapa:
Did Jesus die for our sins?

1. let's start with the obvious. Who was there? Christians love to say, Jesus died for our sins, but ask yourself, who witnessed this? Nobody alive today existed back then. Everything people believe is based on what someone else said, not what they saw.
And the earliest gospel, Mark, was written 40 plus years after Jesus supposedly died. By people who never met him. So we're not talking about history. We're talking about hearsay, passed off as fact.

40 years after Jesus died was well withing or closely after the eyewitness time. Do you even know when John died?
Are you serious in asking for people today to witness what happened over 2000 years ago?

2. let's use the Bible against itself. If Jesus died for your sins, then, why do you still suffer? Why do you still get punished? Why do you still need to tithe, pray, obey, and repent? That sounds more like a contract than a sacrifice. And remember this verse, Faith without works is dead, James 2, 17. That means if you don't act, nothing happens. So it's not Jesus making it happen. It's you.

The purpose of Jesus is not for you to have all you want neither does it mean you don't suffer or have to work again.

3.That means you're more powerful than Jesus. Think about it. If you have to believe in Jesus to activate what he did, and if nothing works unless you put your faith in it, then that means your belief is what's creating the result, not Jesus. You're the plug. You're the energy source. You're the one making it real. In your mind.

faith in Jesus is not to get things working in your life, I don't know where you get that.

4.You manifested Jesus into existence in your head. We were programmed to believe that God is outside of us. That Jesus is the only path. That our salvation depends on worship, not understanding. But here's the truth. You've never seen Jesus. You've never seen God. You were told about them, and your mind accepted it. That's not truth. That's mental programming. The human mind is so powerful, it can manifest belief into illusion.

Did you see the Nigerian Civil War? Yet you believe it happened. You are not making sense

5. Imagine you turned that belief toward yourself. If you believed in you, the way you believe in Jesus, you'd heal, you'd grow, you'd transform, you'd unlock your true spiritual power. That's why they gave you a savior. So you'd never realize you already are one.

Jesus provided evidence that he is the saviour with the way he lived, died and rose from the grave, with don't need to do anything for Jesus to be who he is.
I suspect you think you are god or something like that which is easily dismissed because God is not creation neither can creation be God.

6.Even the Bible accidentally told you the truth. Jesus said, the kingdom of God is within you. But nobody preaches that part. Because if you found the kingdom inside yourself, you'd stop looking for it in churches, crosses, and colonizer books. Step seven, Christianity is built on blind following. We don't study, we believe. We don't ask, we repeat. We pay pastors to read a book we're too afraid to question. And those pastors, also lost. The blind leading the blind, literally. And we call that faith. And we call that faith. When really, it's mental slavery disguised as salvation.

When Jesus said the kingdom of God is withing you Jesus was talking to a group of persons called the pharisee who were still waiting for the kingdom, Jesus told them that kingdom was already in their midst, the kingdom was what Jesus himself was preaching in their midst. Read to context

Final truth, Jesus didn't die for your sins. You were told that story so you'd never question your chains. But once you wake up, you'll realize the power is you. The kingdom is you, The savior is you, Awakening truth. If they need your belief to exist, they're not gods, you are.

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If you need to save yourself, it means you are an imperfect human and hence cannot save himself neither others hence you are contradicting yourself.

The old testament laws has being abolished. The new testament law is the law of the Spirit.
Christ didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfill it meaning during christ life time the law was still very much invoke but was fulfilled (ran it course) by his death abolished. The purpose of the law is to lead men to Christ.

That is because they are into the occult. It is like eating his flesh and drinking his blood. A satanic imitation of the last supper that Christians do to represent christ sacrifice.

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Christians would receive new bodies at the resurrection after which we go to be with christ in heaven for a short time, after which we descend with christ to rule and reign with christ for a thousand years on earth.
After the thousand years are over, this whole universe will be obliterated and disappear out of existence, then the judgment takes place after which God will created a new unverse far better, richer and durable than this present one, it is a eternal universe, it contains the materials in this present universe but in far better quality and quantity and also contains materials that do not exist in this present one and all in abundance, the spiritual dimension and the physical dimension would not be separated unlike this present one they would be unified. Meaning it is a universe that is hyper, super and duper awesome in every way, God will come to live on earth with Jesus, it is awesome.

Yes we can eat and drink in our resurrected body, our senses would be sharper, smarter faster more accurate, plus we would have other abilities we don't, plus our beauty would not fade, we won't grow old, nor get sick, it would be eternal and very very powerful. We will be as Jesus is.
Jesus could go through walls, change his appearance, ascend and descend, appear and disappear to anywhere at will, he shone will brightness far greater than the sun. Our resurrected body will radiate like. In this body will live in the new heaven and earth and serve God will our abilities forever.
I can't wait for it.🤗

I suspect this is part of the agreement with the IMF, world Bank and other globalist cartels bent on controlling nations. As it is well know that they are pushing a one world government and a one world economy where the majority would be controlled by the few, that is how they hope to create their utopian, which is a new world order where nobody have any rights neither owns anything but are under the iron grip of the one at the top of the pyramid.

Jesus Christ has exposed these false gods that is why the devil is in pains now, he is bitter and this bitterness is reflected in the people opposing Christianity.

All evidence points to Jesus to be the God in the flesh by his life, his death and his resurrection. Meaning the way Jesus lived (A perfect sinless life), died ( he died forgiving his enemies) and rose again after three days, separated him as the truth and hence exposed African deities, Islam, Buddha etc as false hence the bitterness.

All other gods apart for the true God yahweh, are no gods at all, they are all created by humans to look like them. they are all a reflection of human desires nothing more.

22jumpstreet:
He is a myth and you are wasting your whole life on it. The colonial masters that brought the religion to it has abandoned it. Almost all the churches in north London are now pubs or sold to Muslims....ño money to take care of it vos no attendance...
Jesus is the Roman empire invention, to control the masses...

See ignorance, the oldest church on earth is in Africa. Christianity came to Europe just as it came to Africa, colonial masters has nothing to do with it. So Alenxender, Augustus ceaser, Socrates, etc are myth? Delulu

alobright17:
so yeshua no be human being invented the language? This is one defending what he don’t know

So history is a myth? Go and research about the historicity of Jesus Christ and stop displaying ignorance.

alobright17:
Is real Abi ? When did they invented letter J ? Jesus na man made story from white people .

Jesus is just a alternative pronunciation of yeshua and it is a non issue. In my language it is produced Jesu.

Lucifyre:
"and the books of the gospel are reliable historical narrativ of the life and death of Jesus."

This is an outright lie, this is 2025 please let's ease off on peddling outright disingenuous claims as facts. How can the narrative be historical when it was written decades after by anonymous non - eyewitnesses with inconsistent narratives that contradicts not just itself but what we know from the available historical data. Yes the gospel are historical sources but when they're analyzed they fall apart.

The only events considered plausible from the gospels about Jesus' life was that he was baptized and he was crucified nothing more. Everything else especially the supernatural claims have zero evidence or data to support them and on analysis some are even influenced by older existing motifs from nearby cultures and religions.

even historians who anti Christianity cannot deny the historicity of Christ. The writers of the gospels are not unknown they are Mathew mark Luke and John.
So Jesus is not a myth after all, right? You guys are in deep trouble.

Whether you believe the gospel or not. Whether you go to church of not, it does not matter who you are and where you are, everyone will give account to God for how they live.
Trust me, you don't want to stand before a holy and righteous God to face in in Judgment you will 100% regret it.

Jesus Did the greatest thing for you, not by giving you material things that won't help you at the end of the day buy providing himself is a substitute for your sin so you don't have to be condemned this would only happen if you put your faith in him and his work on your behalf otherwise, you face the consequence of your sin.

alobright17:
No Jesus came anywhere all Na story from a book and no verification made on it .

Jesus is a real historical figure and the books of the gospel are reliable historical narrativ of the life and death of Jesus. Your calender were dated base on this historical figure Jesus.

Node911:
People still believe in scripts written by their colonial masters.

So when Jesus return, some people go burn in hell so that God and angels can have enough asun and barbecue to eat. LOL

Ignorant man which colonial masters wrote books that were hundreds and thousands of years older than them?

tosyne2much:
From the dept of my heart, I'm just tired of hearing this same thing for nearly 3 decade of my life

Jesus this, Jesus that yet the country continues to wallot in poverty

The problem of poverty is caused by poor choices by Nigerians. We promote self centeredness and make materialism as the goal and all these is tied to the problem of Sin.

Jesus is number 1, nobody comes close, he is The Lord of Lords and The king of kings, no one come close.

Many scientists are now realizing that there is God, and that Jesus is Lord.
Many scientists are now embracing intelligent design instead of the theory of mindless and unguarded process of evolution.
Physicts have realized that the universe (space-time) have a definite beginning, many evolutionists are calling for a new theory of evolution instead of the Darwinian theory of evolution as more evidence of complexities beyond Darwinian evolution emerges.
With advances of technology, shocking discoveries have being made, for example simple cell have being found not to be simple after all.

I am tired of going round in circles.
This has being fun.
Once again this is what I copied from A.i review.

The scientific consensus is that the universe is not eternal. The Big Bang theory is the leading scientific theory for the universe's origin, suggesting it began around 13.8 billion years ago. This model suggests that the universe is not infinite and has a beginning in time.
Here's why the concept of an eternal universe is not supported by current scientific understanding:
Big Bang Theory:
The Big Bang theory posits that the universe expanded from an incredibly hot, dense state, suggesting a finite beginning.
Expansion of the Universe:
Observations of the universe's expansion provide evidence against an eternally static or unchanging state.
Entropy:
The concept of entropy, which dictates that systems tend toward disorder, would suggest that an infinitely old universe would be in a state of uniform temperature, with no structure or life.
Finite vs. Infinite:
The question of whether the universe is finite or infinite is separate from whether it's eternal. The universe could be infinite in size but still have a finite age.
Philosophical Considerations:
While the idea of an eternal universe has been explored in philosophy, it's not supported by scientific evidence.

Is it logical to support what has evidence or what does not have evidence?
I am done.

CoolUsername:
Depends on how you look at it. The Big Bang is the process whereby spacetime began to rapidly expand. Therefore if all observable space came from the Big Bang, it follows that time did the same.

not observable space, BUT Space and time itself.

How do you measure time before the Big Bang? Is it even possible? Time is relative to entropy right so how do we measure time of nothing is changing?

Check out at this scenario: imagine everything in the observable universe was on pause for 10 minutes (in this scenario, you are an outside observer, like a movie viewer). From inside the universe, it would be impossible to notice the passage of the 10 minutes.

I'm of the opinion that time started with the Big Bang. For anything to preceed it that would mean we must have some form of "super time" that things were operating on beforehand. I'm of the opinion that there is no before.

Time is time whether super or duper time. If time does not exist before the big bang then it does not exist. If fact physicts are saying there is nothing like time before the Big bang.

You are beginning to see the problem with eternal universe in whatever shape or form. it does not just work.

evidence actually goes Against eternal universe. By the way when scientists said the universe began at be big bang, it means before the big bang there was no space an there was no time, what is happening is typical atheists dodging and deflecting, one is saying that the logical thing to do is to follow the least assumption, which have no shred of evidence while rejecting what has evidence. Unknown to him what he thought was least assumption whatever that even mean has being found to be actually illogical.
There was actually no space and time before the beginning of time meaning physics itself could not have existed at all, matter couldn't have existed because the will be no space for matter to exist and there will be no time for matter to existence.
Smarter atheists are actually propounded new theory of higher dimension or multiverses but al these does not actually solve the problem but rather compound it and pushes further.

CoolUsername:
I'm not saying it's impossible but much like the multiverse hypothesis, doesn't it just kick the can further down the road?

They just raise questions as to what started the cycle or what caused the multiverse to come to be. But we don't have these answers.

However, what we do know is that the universe rapidly expanded 13.8 billion years ago. In the absence of any further evidence, the most logical path to take should be the one with the least assumptions which would be that the universe has always existed in some form. This can then be disproven once evidence suggests otherwise.

Actually

The universe likely does not have an eternal existence. Key evidence against an eternal universe includes the Big Bang theory, the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and the expansion of the universe. The Big Bang theory posits that the universe originated from an initial singularity, not an eternal state. The Second Law of Thermodynamics suggests that a universe that has existed forever would have reached a state of heat death, which is not what we observe. Additionally, the expansion of the universe, observed through redshift, indicates that it has a finite age, not an eternal one.

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Everyday247:
Wow! 😲
You're a theist that believes in the big bang?!
you're the first I've seen on Nairaland.
congratulations! 🎉 👏 🥳

The big bang does not conflict the existence of God.

According to the big bang theory, a singularity expanded into what we know as the universe. But then questions remain:
1. where did this singularity come from?
2. How long had this singularity been around before it expanded in the form of the big bang?

What if someone claims that this singularity has always existed (eternal), how would you counter this?

mathematically it is not possible for the singularity to have existed for all eternity and also physically it is not possible. If the singularity has being there for all eternity what kept it as singularity why did it after eternity dsuddenly exploded remember eternity means endless time, so it makes no logical sense and no evidence what sover for the singularity to have being there for all eternity.
Physicists have tried to work with the model of singularity to be eternal but it does not simply work.
You might think it makes sense but smarter scientists have tried the model but it all failed.

If it worked why do you think atheist scientist like Hawkins could work with it.
The only model that works is a universe that is not eternal.

Off Topic question: As a theist that believes in the big bang:
1. How do you reconcile your religious beliefs that the world is ten thousand years old with the approximately 14 billion years of the big bang theory?
2. if you believe in the big bang theory proposed by science, do you also believe in the theory of evolution also proposed by that same science?
3. I thought Christian theists believed in a 6 day creation not the big bang theory?

The big bang does not conflict the Christian world view. There are different explanation.

Yes it does.
If something doesn't exist, it cannot be found anywhere in the universe, which makes it spaceless.
If something doesn't exist, it won't be found at any point in time (past, presence and future), which makes it timeless.
An event that never occurred is eternal e.g when will someone who was never born die? the answer is never.
Anything that never begun can never end. (can be said to be eternal)

According to you anything that does not occupy space immaterial and times does not exist right?
Answer this question does space exist? If yes which space does space occupy? And According to your world view space must be timeless right and immaterial else where the material that make up space occup?

What's the difference between the statements: " intelligence must come from intelligence" and "Only intelligence can create intelligence"?

seriously, is this even a question? What is the difference between "only a human can give birth to a human" and "every human must give birth to a human"?

This is logical leap. How is something having a beginning evidence for creation?

it is not a logical leap. Having a beginning means it has a starting point, if the universe began to exist then it is not eternal.

If science has not proven the existence of something means it can be either false or true since no confirmation can be made.

Is science the only way to get knowledge? Can you scientifically prove your answer? Can you scientifically prove moral values?

Science is "currently" the only way to prove the existence of something. If there are any other methods of proving the existence of something, they haven't been discovered yet.

have you heard of history? Can science prove that the Nigeria civil war happened?

When and where were they debunked?
And who debunked them?
How were they debunked?

Not outrightly debunked but there is no evidence but as a matter of fact there is evidence against it, which is the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Mathematics is an abstract concept. Mathematics is neither sentient nor alive. Mathematics cannot create things. Mathematics cannot think.
Are you saying that your god is abstract?
Or that your god is neither sentient nor alive?
Or that your god can't think?
Or that your god cannot create things?

Evil and goodness are characteristics or properties of things.

Love is an electro chemical process that occurs inside brains.

Consciousness is a process that occurs inside the brains of living things.

Do they exist? What is their material and what space does they occupy?
So love is an electro chemical process? Has it be proven? Provide link.
Has consciousness being proven scientifically, prove link to it?

Human values come from the brains of humans.

So if people do not see anything wrong with rape does that make it OK?
There are many people who don't see anything wrong with it. Since in their Brian rape is OK, does that make it right?