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Give me just one gain from believing or understanding that there's no trinity or there is, greater than being saved, living as a child of God and preparing for eternity. Thank you.

while I don't think full knowledge of the theology of the Trinity is neccesary, but however, there is tremendous gain in the knowledge of the trinity.
The gospel itself is Trinitarian in nature, God the father sent his Son so that any one who believe in the Son would be saved then there follows the witness of the holy Spirit.


Though one might not understand the theology of the trinity yet when they respond to the gospel the accept the trinity. How? By accepting Jesus as God's son who died; when there is a Son there is a father. Secondly, by putting their faith in Jesus it means Jesus is reliable meaning Jesus is more than a man as only God is absolutely reliable.

Anyone who rejects the deity of Jesus can not absolutely put their trust in him hence cannot be saved.

Anyone who is truly saved cannot knowingly deny the deity of christ because it contradicts his salvation.

Yet the father and The Son are Spoken as distinct persons in the gospel yet both are God.
Anyone who has the holy spirit in him would know instinctively that the holy Spirit is not just a force but he is more and because of the way Jesus spoke about the holy Spirit he is a person.

Talking about relationship with God, for a good and healthy relationship with God one must know to a great extent the doctrine of the trinity, the book of 1 John addresses that.

Spiritual growth and maturity comes from deeper knowledge of God which include the doctrine of the trinity.

Janosky:
LIE no 1.
Lie No2.
Lie no3.

Nah their way to make False claims against JWs.

what lie? When you said the God Almighty is not deity that is the implication.

gohf:
so what is the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit?

Who gave Jesus all power?

Who gave the person that gave Jesus all power?

sometimes a name in the Bible represents authority. The name in of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit means their authority.

Janosky:
What a futile attempt to CHANGE 1 Cor 11:3 & 15:27 !!

I didn't change anything, Jesus took up a servant role by himself. If a king decide to take up the role of a cleaner and live by the same rules a cleaner abide by does that mean he is not a king? Jesus took up a servants role to show us example and to fulfill the plan of salvation.

Janosky:
Tertullian is correct .
"Jesus is not God himself ... not different as to essence."

Jesus is surbordinate to God his Senior(Father) in EVERYTHING,John 12:49-50.
Yahweh the Almighty God bestowed on believers the fullness of God
Oga,What does that make the believers?

Oga Steep,you wan edit John 17:21 in your Bible?

Surbordination does not contradict equality in nature. For example you are subordinate to the president but yet equally human just as the president is a human.
Philippians actually tells us how Jesus became subordinate to the Father. Jesus by himself took on that role of a servant an obviously subordinate role and he was made a man.


Since you have agreed that Jesus is same nature with the father but not the father himself, this is impressive, I am surprised at your progress, keep studying the Bible, God willing you may see obviously who Jesus truly is.

If Jesus has same essence with the father, it means Jesus is exactly as the father is. Just as the father has the ability to do all things so does Jesus, Just as the father is without beginning and end so does Jesus so Jesus and the father are one in essence but distinct in personhood.

As for believers being bestowed the fulness of God, it is not the same as having the fulness of his essence.

Gabrielshow24:
He can't define what he doesn't know 😂. He is confused as regards his problem statement, he thinks pontificating about his disillusionment of trinity makes it wrong! 😂

All of them in that boy-band, can't! They know they will be proven wrong by their own definitions👀. JW team did slightly better than this, they had the wisdom to engage rather give peremptory posits.

They think by proving Jesus has a God it negates his Godship!—Most of them don't even take physical context into view. Even if they managed this, with this being an impossible task given the alignment of scripture on this topic, what about the Holy Spirit? Can they mention one thing God can do that His Spirit can't? 😂 Definitely not!

Lol he is deceiving himself busy awarding delusional marks to himself. SMH

Janosky:

"The son is not God himself.... not different as to essence."
Source : Tertullian,early Church Father.
Oga Steep ,why are you deceiving yourself?

So do you agree with Tertullian that the Son is not God himself.. not different as to essence?

"Jesus not God himself ."
The fullness of God was bestowed on Jesus, Ephesian believers & other believers.
Ephesians 3:19 & 2 Peter 1:4. Colossians 1:19.

Oga,go and rest .

So if the fullness of God was bestowed on Jesus, what does that make him?

Boomark:
At this point we are not teaching anything.

You guys can start first. State what trinity stand for in your claim and back it up with key verses. I will counter whatever it is. After that round, I will make my own claim for you people to counter.

No, it is not done that way. You are the one who raised the argument, hence must clarify terms so that others can respond.
If you are really honest bookmark.
Set the foundation
What is the Trinity? And in addition also what does it mean to beGod?

Boomark:
I want to use this opportunity to call for a bible challenge on Trinity. I want to prove to the whole world that trinity is a false doctrine from the antichrist and not the will of God. The challenge will actually expose those who have been believing a lie and are subtly opposing Christ. I call on trinitarians to nominate any person who you feel is capable.

This place will be used as the discussion platform. Apart from the contestants and referee, no post will be allowed in the main challenge thread until it is over and a winner emerge.

If no one turns up to challenge me, then it will be obvious that trinity doctrine is truly a false doctrine. By then, I will fly around with the name of Jehovah God like a bird with ten thousand wings. And you will also know the I am Boomark of God.

So if you feel you are capable and not scared, take up the challenge. You people are plenty so I believe you won't disappoint your belief. The challenge will start on Wednesday 30th July 2025, that is next week.

These are the guidelines which will be copied to the main challenge thread.


Bible Challenge Topic: The Father is One God over all Vs Trinity.

Participants:
Boomark [The Father is One God over all]

And

Name [Trinity- define it]

Duration: Till the last claim

Bible Versions:
Any version allowed. Each participant must state the version used when quoting scripture.

Challenge Rules:

Rule 1: The Bible Alone
Only the Bible will be used as authority. Each person must prove their claim with scripture. No assuming or borrowing anything from science, commentaries, traditions, creeds, etc.

Rule 2: Context Always
Verses must be explained in their immediate and full context. Never isolate a verse to prove a point.

Rule 3: Equal Turns
Each person gets the same number of responses per point/claim. Till any exhaust their claim.

Rule 4: Respect and Clarity
Use respectful language. Focus on proving truth, not mocking.

Rule 5: One Topic at a Time
The challenge or claim must be focused on proving or disproving the Trinity. Do not bring in unrelated topics (e.g., Sabbath, tithing, etc.).

Rule 6: ChatGPT for scoring
This will be used to determine claims and rebuttal that are in context and in line with the scripture. So no one will keep insisting on a claim or rebuttal that is out of point. No partialty.

Daily Challenge Format

Claim and rebuttal/support will be rotated in turn between Mr A and Mr B. And it must not exceed 24 hrs after it has been made, else, +10 point will be awarded to the opponent of the one who refused to respond.

Mr A will make his claim in favour or against trinity with one or more scriptures.

Mr B will either support or offer a rebuttal to his claim with scripture.

Note: Always remember the add, Do you agree? after each claim.

Make your presentation in this format:

Claim:

Key verses:

Or

Rebuttal:

Key verses:


SCORING

The admin or marker we choose will add our claim and rebuttal into this scoring prompt and paste into ChatGPT after each round of your Bible challenge:


Topic: The Father is one God over all or Trinity?

CLAIM:
[Paste your full message here]


REBUTTAL:
[Paste their full message here]

✅ Instructions:
Please analyze both responses and score this round based on:

1. Who used scripture more clearly and accurately?

2. Did either person use scripture out of context?

3. Did either side prove or avoid the point?

4. Who followed the challenge rules more closely?

5. Which response was closer to the truth based on the Bible alone?

Then give:

A brief summary

A winner for this round (if clear)


AWARDING POINTS

Successful claim = 10 points

Successful rebuttal = 10 points

Claim without a counter or rebuttal will be regarded as successful after 24 hours.

If one of the participants has exhausted his claim, the one who still have claims will continue to make claims while the opponent has the right to rebuttal or support and points will be awarded accordingly.


Boomark score:

Mr B score:

You have to clarify what trinity is, so people would understand your line of argument.
Bookmark what is trinity?

Ken4Christ:
Don't mind them. Jesus is fully God. He claimed the only name God calls himself:

He said 'before Abraham was. I Am.
He said, I am the first and the last.
The Bible says that all things were made by him and without him was nothing made.
God the Father called Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8 and confirmed he created everything.

God is Almighty and thus has the ability to manifest himself in different forms but yet the same person.

Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes, absolutely.
Why then are some folks don't accept that Jesus is God?

If Jesus is not God and he sent down the Holy Spirit who is God, how can you reconcile this?

How can someone who isn't God send God the Spirit to come down to earth.

He even added that the Holy Spirit will only speak what he hears from him and he will glory Jesus. Hallelujah.

This mystery is too high for the carnal mind.

May the Lord grant all these sceptics understanding in the mighty name of Jesus.

They have their own twisted interpretation to verses that shows Jesus is God. Imagine saying Almighty God is not a deity? Is that not blasphemy? He is willing to blaspheme Jehovah because the scripture clearly said Jesus is God.

If supposing abacha was alive he would have hosted him, even the devil can even be hosted self. Jagban himself.

Janosky:
"The son is NOT God himself.
Nor is he divine in the same sense that the Father is."
Source: Tertullian,early Church Father

Oga Steep, go and rest jare .
No dey deceive yourself

The same Tertullian told you that the Son is of same essence with the father. You have ran away from theotes because you found out your lie could not stand.
If Jesus has the fulness of God hood then he is God.

Janosky:
Your early church Father Tertullian says no.
Theotes meaning divine nature/quality.
The word "Godhead" is not in any Greek manuscript.
In Greek,the word "deity" mean a god or goddess.
OR
"Essential nature of a god."
Some people change am to state of being God but the real meaning is a god.
In Greek ,"deity" is not,never God Almighty.


Don't be spreading false info on this forum.
I dey beg you.
Read the screenshot.

even your source says that Jesus is made up same stuff the father is made up off.
Lol I nor fit shout.
Do you even know the meaning of deity? You are grasping a straws. In Greek Almighty God is a deity.

Ohyoudidnt:
Matthew 28:18–19 is frequently cited to back the concept of the Trinity, but it actually illustrates Jesus receiving authority from God, rather than being equal to Him. Verse 18 suggests a hierarchy—“All power is given unto me…” This clearly shows that Jesus is granted authority, rather than having it inherently. This challenges the notion that he is co-equal and co-eternal with God.

While verse 19 mentions the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, it doesn’t claim they are one or equal. In fact, the apostles in Acts never quote Matthew 28:19 when baptizing; they consistently do so in the name of Jesus alone, not using three names (see Acts 2:38, 8:16, 19:5).

"baptize them in the name (not names) of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit all have one name. This is oneness of nature.
So if Jesus is given all power that means he is Almighty. Because only an Almighty being can wield all power.

The doctrine of the Trinity emerged centuries later. Early Christians, like Eusebius, referenced this verse without the Trinitarian formula, hinting at possible later modifications.

Kindly verify that the Christian historian Edmund Schlink wrote that the baptismal command in its Matthew 28:19 form cannot be traced back to the historical Jesus with certainty."

Theologian F. C. Conybeare concluded that the Trinitarian formula was inserted into Matthew 28:19 to align with later theological developments.

it was not added. I thought you said the Christian Bible does not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity, but here you are trying to discredit a verse in the scripture that teaches Trinity after trying to deny it does not. Make it make sense.

Ohyoudidnt:
Then this Christian God is not in perfect agreement with all the verses of the Christian book called Bible

It is. Mathew 28:18 says baptizing is in the name of the father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit. This is Trinity.
Paul ended some of his epistle by saying the grace of Jesus christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the holy Spirit. Jesus referred to the holy Spirit as someone who will dwell in his disciples forever. It is allover the Christian Bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
The main concern here isn't just about the order of operations; it's really about how we understand the different roles within the Divine. This idea seems to clash with the strict belief in one God. Even if the Trinity suggests that there's equality in essence but different roles, splitting up identity or function within God is not but introducing partners alongside Allah.

The Christian God is not same as Allah. In Christianity one God means one essence, but three in personhood but in Islam Allah is singular both in his essence and in his personhood.

Ohyoudidnt:
So are you saying one verse says this and the other the opposite?

You seem to refer perhaps among others 1 Cor. 8:6.

The verse makes a clear distinction between the Father and Jesus: the Father is referred to as “God,” while Jesus is called “Lord.” This shows that the Father is the source of creation, and Jesus serves as the means through which it happens. This isn’t about equality; it’s about hierarchy. Even Paul acknowledges that God is the head of Christ.

Corinthians 11:3:
The head of Christ is God.

Philippians 2:9:
God exalted him [Jesus]…

Only someone less than God can be exalted by God.

1 Timothy 2:5:
There is one God, and one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus ( by Christian belief)

no hierarchy within the trinity instead there is order operation rather than inequality of nature.
Jesus, The father and The holy Spirit are one. But have different order of operation.
For example, all things came from the Father through the Son and by the Spirit.
The Father is the head of Christ because the father ordained Jesus christ.

Ohyoudidnt:
If Paul truly believed that Jesus was God, he wouldn't refer to God as the head of Christ or restrict God to just the Father.

The head of Christ is God.

In simple terms, God holds authority over Christ.

There is one God and Father of all, who is above all, through all, and in all.

why don't you continue the verse he also said there is one LORD by whom are all things, you just pick a from a verse what you think aligns with your belief, not minding the other pars and verses goes against your belief.
You have jumped into another topic.

Ohyoudidnt:
How exactly?

what is how? That is what the word theotes mean.

Ohyoudidnt:
No one has ever truly seen God in His complete divine form, as the Scriptures make it clear that no one can see God and survive (Exodus 33:20, John 1:18).

The phrase the fullness of God dwells in Christ (Colossians 2:9) is a metaphor that Paul uses, not Jesus. It doesn’t imply that Jesus is God; instead, it suggests that Jesus embodies God’s wisdom, guidance, and authority—similar to other prophets.

Prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel experienced visions or symbolic representations of God like the Ancient of Days but they didn’t encounter His actual essence.

These appearances, known as theophanies, were limited and often veiled, taking forms like fire, cloud, or an angel.

Take note and understand theophany and it's use in the scripture.

Actually it implies Jesus is fully God.
The word interpreted as "Godhead" is theotes in Greek and it means the state of being God.
Paul was saying that Jesus is fully God.

Chibuezem:
If you are talking of being equal to God then No there's is an order of creation
God (Father, Son, Holy spirit)
Man
Angels
Animals
Plants
Etc
Sharing his nature and eternity makes me manifest whatever My father had planned for me.
Jesus Christ was God even before He came in human flesh to die for my sins
Philippians 2:5-10 NLT - 5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
he took the humble position of a slave
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,
8 he humbled himself in obedience to God
and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
and gave him the name above all other names,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Man was made a little lower than the angels.
The order of creation is actually
God
Angels
Man
Animals
Plants


Psalms 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

gohf:
is that what you felt I did?

John 1:1 never called Jesus God but you claim it did. theos en ho logos is what is written there and not Jesus is God but steep you have never listened to the truth so why should I waste my time telling it to you, it's not the first time we have conversed but you feel satisfied to believe I buried my head in the sand. Okay I agree I did, enjoy, say it Everytime you speak of me, feel proud about it let it give you joy and peace ✌🏾

John 1:1 said the word was God. That makes the word God, why do you guys avoid this part, be honest with yourselves.
Jesus describe his persistence using "I am" which is God's name in the old testament. A name that denotes God's eternal being.

Boomark:
Ephesians 3:14-15, 19 NIV
[14] For this reason I kneel before the Father, [15] from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.
[19] and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

We are taking about the fullness of God/God's nature.

You were shocked to see that and you have switched to we shall be like him, and meaning of Christian.

Satan has decieved all of you. You can pretend you didn't see it.

Go and answer my question well

John 1:1 Jesus is God.

gohf:
boomark see this one quoting steep, steep at least you can see this one referring to God as a "concept" and not a person. Boomark when you asked him to define God, did show24 give a performance or he went dancing around accusing you of not answering things he imagined and filmed in his own mind?

When I asked you question you dodge and hide, John 1:1 called Jesus God, if you like bury your head in the sand, it doesn't change the truth.

gohf:
The Ten Commandments according to Roman Catholic Church

1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shall not have strange gods before Me.
2. Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor thy father and mother.
5. Thou shall not kill.
6. Thou shall not commit adultery.
7. Thou shall not steal.
8. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.

They created fake ten commandments, turned jesus to God, removed Idolatry the very sin of worship any other as God.

The Roman catholic church is right in some things and wrong in others. In other to sieve the right ones from the wrong ones all you need is the Bible.
For example the Roman catholic church is right in teaching the commandment but wrong in ommiting one of them which is the commandment against idols.
They are are right about the trinity but wrong in veneration of Mary and other saints and also some of their teachings concerning Mary.
So you are disingenuous by trying to condemn the trinity doctrine because the Roman catholic church teaches it not because the scripture itself supports the doctrine of the trinity.

Goosethetruth:
Who Was Hermann Detering?
Hermann Detering (1953–2018) was a Hermann Detering was a German Protestant pastor and theologian. He was known for reviving the radical-critical view of early Christianity, arguing that the Apostle Paul as we know him was largely a fabricated figure. His work drew heavily from the Dutch Radical School, which questioned the authenticity of all Pauline letters.

So your source is a man who was heavily influenced by anti Paul school who obviously was anti Paul? Anybody can claim anything but evidence determines facts.

1. Detering’s Core Thesis: The Fabricated Paul
Detering claimed that most, if not all, Pauline letters were either forged or edited in the second century. He believed that the image of Paul was shaped by theological needs and power struggles in the early Church.

It is easy to put forth an idiosyncratic statement and heap the blame on the church. The question is who are the church and from what source do you get this information? Power struggle within the church could have easily exposed any forgery or altering of the Pauline epistle.
What theological needs of the church?

According to his postulation Paul was not the founder of Christianity— The idea of Paul as a founder was a later church theological construction.
Most Pauline letters are forgeries.by church elders for theological purposes .Even the so-called undisputed ones were likely edited by church scribes or written later.

No where in the Pauline Epistles was it stated that Paul was the founder of Christianity. So what evidence do you have to say the church scribes edited or wrote the Pauline letters?

Paul is a literary figure~ He was constructed and created to serve the needs of various factions of the early church elders leaders and probably the Roman government of the day for power and control of the populace.

why will the Roman government create a figure that proclaim Jesus Christ a Jewish man as Lord instead of one of their own? It does not make sense, and also the Roman society is an elitist society, so why would the subvert their society by creating a figure that declares everybody as one?
Your myth is easy to dismiss. Every society government, tribe and ethnic group always promote or create a system, story that put their society, emperor etc as a superior. But not so in the Pauline Epistles Jesus a Jewish Messiah is glorified.

The Book of Acts is unreliable as an historical record or a historical evidence. ~It’s a second-century text aiming to tame and harmonize Paul’s image vis a viz the original apostles.

stop lying, Acts is generally regarded as reliable.

2. Marcion’s influence~The radical Paul may have originated in Marcion’s canon and was later revised. Marcion an early Christian leader believed in two Gods. The evil God of the old testament and the loving God of the new testament. He was the first personality to create a bibliography of old testament and new testament books which he called a bible. He was declared a heretic and banished from the church but apparently the early church leaders incorporated part of his philosophy to create the literary Paul according to Dettering's postulation.

marcion was a gnostic, which is a religion on its own.

3. Textual and Theological Evidence

Detering cited stylistic inconsistencies, theological contradictions, and anachronisms in the Pauline letters to support his claim. The Pastoral Epistles reflect second-century church structures such as ranks of Bishops and deacons. Shifts in tone and theology suggest redactions or multiple authors of these missives.

what are the evidences, how do you know the first century do have te structure? What is your source?

4. Early Christianity Was Divided and was a battleground between various factions such as the Jews/Judaism,the gnostics,the Marcionites, the liberals, the Christians and the Roman government of the day.

what is your source? So when has Judaism become a faction of Christianity or gnosticism? Or the Roman government? Or the marcionites? Or liberals?

The figure of Paul was used and reshaped to resolve these theological conflicts amongst all these diverse warring groups.

what conflict? If the figure of Paul was created to resolve conflict, why does it contradict gnosticim, liberals, Judaism and the Roman government?

5. Connection to the Christ Myth Theory
Detering leaned toward the idea that Jesus, like Paul, was more symbolic than historical. He believed neither Paul or Jesus were historical but were mythical creations of the early church.The gospel narratives were seen as theological fiction, not historical records.

Do you even know the meaning of historical, all the people mentioned in the gospels were real people and real places, in your other thread you ran away from you claim the gospels were not written during the times of the Apostles, meaning the apostles really exists.

6. Reconstructed Timeline of Paul (Detering's View)


30s–40s CE: A real figure like Paul may have existed.

100–120 CE: Marcion assembles and edits Pauline letters.

120–150 CE: Proto-Catholics react and begin rewriting Paul.

130–150 CE: Acts of the Apostles is written.

150–200 CE: Canonical letters and Pastoral Epistles finalized.


7. Theological and Historical Implications

*Christian doctrine may rest on edited or forged letters.

*The historical Paul is unknowable, or perhaps never existed.

*All Christian faith and theological thought was shaped by ideological editing and theological embellishing and not just divine inspiration.

what is your evidence and source?

[Detering’s Message
Detering urged scholars and believers alike to distinguish between inherited tradition and historical reality. He believed that honest, critical examination strengthens faith rather than undermining it.

So if Paul's letters could be forged and the Acts of the Apostles is unreliable historical,how can we rely or believe in the gospels of Matthew,Mark,Luke and John that were written latter?

All of these is hinged on "if" meaning not certain. The overwhelming evidence actually is that the the epistles of Paul were written by actual Paul, there is no evidence that the Roman fathers, church leaders edited the Bible why there are overwhelming copies of the new testament that would make it impossible to alter. The Roman catholic Church was founded in 590 CE and the scriptures predates the Roman catholic church, hence the Roman catholic church cannot alter the scripture at the early stage.
With the assume different sects of Christianity one would have seen different gospels and letters of Paul reflecting each view but however this is not so, as all copies of scripture are similar with just minor divations called copies error.
Op is obviously bitter and enrage against Christianity that he grasped at straws and anything he sees is against Christianity not minding its evident contradictions and inaccuracies.

I enjoyed listening to some of his sermons. He has finally taken his rest.

In the old testament poverty was a direct curse upon the Israel if they failed to keep the law but however that does not mean poverty is always a curse in the Bible.

judewrites:
What is poverty? It's lack.

How can you claim that poverty isn't a curse??

Na wa o🤷‍♀️

Even Jesus became poor to make us rich.

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
— 2 Corinthians 8:9

Paul was speaking of the riches of christ that is yet to be revealed but in the believers.

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Poverty is a result of the adamic fall not the curse itself.
Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Christ is the riches of the believers, not material possession.

judewrites:
I beg to differ.....

I highly respect pastor Adeboye because of his humility and steadfastness in the authentic gospel of Jesus.

God's original intention for man was never poverty.... poverty came in because of the fall of Adam and Eve which brought the curse of poverty:

Genesis 3 (KJV)
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¹⁷ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

¹⁸ Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

¹⁹ In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Poverty is a curse because it limits one from fully fulfilling destiny: fruitfulness, multiplication and dominance (Genesis 1: 28)

oga poverty is not a curse but the adamic sin, a result of the fallen world and fallen human nature.. The curse in Genesis is the hardship in working. Even the rich pass through this hardship. It is not easy to be rich and those that would be rich piece themselves with many sorrows.

Do you know that death is a curse, and also adeboye is getting old which is a result of the adamic curse.

Aging is also the result of adamic curse.

Boomark:
Does the scriptures I presented look like an argument? Do you think Christ want to argue with you on the things he confirmed by himself?

Whatever you define and call Christian theology which is against the words of Christ Jesus is from ANTICHRIST.

I am not the one to define your trinity for you. MaxInDHouse has already defined trinity for you with Egyptian idol. He even added pictures for you. You are free to be using it while we wait for it to appear in the bible.

1 Peter 3:15
[15] but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.


Here they are, not ready to defend what they believe in. But are begging
and asking me to define their trinity for them. One Gabrielshow24 was also begging me to define God for him before he probably tell me, "Have you seen? From your definition you can see that Christ is wrong in all the scriptures you posted."

I started by making it clear that your belief is hanging on the mercy of false interpretation not on the word of God.

They all err not knowing the scripture.

We only want to make sure you knew what you were up against and not just beating empty air. How will people know if what you call trinity is actually the trinity? Nobody knows your argument.