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Michael547:
Did God tell Adam that he would go to hell fire for rejecting him?

God said he would die. Death is not only physical but spiritual.
Hell is a place for the dead, however anybody that die separated from God would be in torment because he or she is separated from God ( spiritual death).

Yes the apostles spoke known language and by the way not every Christian has the gift of tongue.
Tongues are actually known languages that can be interpreted not empty gibberish.

author=Kalulu44 post=136332209]

Yes the sign has being here but the signs are getting more and more serious, God is patient with people like you so you don't perish however there is only so much he forbearance can go. Another thing is this, before the end comes people all over the world must hear the gospel so that nobody can have an excuse.

Michelle70:
Calm down, there are 5000 religion.
All of them believe they are the true religion and u better make up ur mind that even if u survive Christianity, u will still go to hell in the other 4999 religions

Atleast these 5000 religions tells you there must be a God or divine being/beings all of them can not just be wrong right? It is your responsibility to search for the truth. But if you think you don't need God or you chose a God that you think resonate with you instead of seeking for the true God then it is on you not God.

Urgent1Million:
So your god already knows that he'll send me to hell (he knows the end from the beginning) and he went ahead to create me so he can have someone to send to hell?
Seems your god and the "devil" are in a kind of partnership.
Except of course your god doesn't know the end from the beginning (is not omniscient) as you people claim.
And why would god even send anyone to hell for their sins when he has already sacrificed his only son to himself because of the sins of the whole world?
Maybe the sacrifice didn't work after all that's why you people are left to fight for your salvation yourself.
It's such a shame that some of you can not even sit down to think with your brains and ask questions.
What a waste of white matter in so many skulls!!

You think you are smarter by insults?
There is no connection between God knowing you actions and your actions itself. Infact God knows that you will sin and this sin will take you to hell that is why he planned to salvation for you but if you reject his help then justice will prevail you will bear your sin.

Michelle70:
So I am not a Christian, I don't believe in ur God and I don't confess him to be my lord and saviour.
Does that mean I am going to hell or heaven?

every human will be judged and condemn to hell for their sin. The only offer of salvation freely is Jesus christ, no other religion offers you that, atheism, agnosticism, humanism etc does not offer salvation from sin only Jesus christ of Nazareth.

Hi everyone, if you accept God's salvation which is Jesus christ, God will give you eternal life, meaning even if you die now you will be with Jesus and at the resurrection you will be raised again not just perfect but immortal and glorified.

Kalulu44:
Brother no vex, you go wait for that great day tire. The day you die and exit this world is the end of your own world and there's nothing like any great day coming

The signs of what is happening in the world right now shows something shocking is going to take place soon. Before the day of Jugdment there is going to be a one world government where people would be initiated through a mark to be part of and all those who refuse would be hunted down and brutally murder. The signs are everywhere.

jiggyman:
Loool, its gonna be chaotic on the last day. Because believers of one religion will have to divide themselves to fit into the 99 other religions hell fire.
Its well

No, even in Islam, Jesus is called the Messiah meaning the chosen one of God. The evidence of Jesus life, death, burial and resurrection show that Jesus is The Truth.

Michelle70:
When has punishing me for an apple I did not eat became justice?

His justice may be absolute but that doesn't make it right.

Nobody is punishing you for an apple, you can only receive the repercussion of your sin not anyone else.

Urgent1Million:
The whole story about god, heaven and hell was poorly made up.
God made a man, then a woman and loved them.
Then he (set them up) placed a tree with fruits that was capable of causing them death (according to god) OR opening their eyes to recognize good and evil (according to the serpent).
It turned out the serpent was right.
God lied!
God then chased them out of the garden and cursed them on their first offence (absolutely incapable of forgiveness).
God then destroyed the descendants of the sinners (Adam and Eve), leaving only the righteous man (Noah) and his family.
But Noah's righteousness didn't get to us. It is Adam's and Eve's sin that we still inherit.
Oh wow!! 😂😂😂
Then god offered his only son (don't ask how he got the son) as a sacrifice to himself (ritual killing) so he (god) can forgive us our sins and take us to heaven.
But he's all powerful and can do all things easily!
Alright, we move...
And his son (jesus) is god?
So if I rephrase;
God offered himself as a blood sacrifice to himself so that himself can forgive us our sins and take us to his own heaven!
Interesting, huh??
Hang on a sec...
The "devil" was with god in heaven and became rebellious. God fought the devil but couldn't defeat him. But god is the all-powerful!!
He sent the devil to earth (where god's beloveth children are) so that the children can fight and defeat the devil by calling god's name.
So god couldn't defeat the devil while face to face with him, but commands his children (much less powerful) to call him so he can defeat the devil for them in proxy?
Hello sense, where are you?
And top on the list of the conditions for god's children to go to heaven is for them to defeat the devil (resist his temptations aka sin), else they are thrown into hell!
How convenient!

Everyone will stand before the judgement throne of God give account of their works including thoughts, what you wrote and all words spoken.
God is not sending you to hell because Satan tempted you or because of Adam's sin but because of your own sinful works, thoughts and words.

Dogalmighty17:
It is estimated that about 112 billion people have existed in the history of earth. There are less than 8 billion alive currently. It goes to say that less than 3% of anyone who has ever existed has heard the gospel of Christ. So what happens to all the other people who never heard anything like the gospel?

you are wrong the evidence of God is everywhere but people either chose to reject it or twist it because they hate God anyone who truly seek God even would find him but no one seek God but instead everyone chose to go their own way, so God is just to grant them their heart desires.

lamentor78:
Self righteousness is what will kill most Christians, they see themselves as exco of heaven executives that knows who goes to hell or heaven. When they don't know where they will end up.

It is self righteous for any human to think he can make heaven by his works outside of God's salvation.

Michelle70:
God who created the ever expanding universe, devise all the known laws of physics, mathematics etc, the paragon of human existence is so interested on this tiny dot planet because of an apple that none of us ate?

Such a God is a psychopath just trying to blame us for his wrath, petty and is not worthy of my worship

When has justice become petty? Is justice against rapist. Murderers, ritualist, petty?
The existence of justice proves that God is the ultimate justice that means nothing will escape is judgement and that is awesome and dreadful at the same time.

IAM4BAT4plus4:
So anybody wey no accept say Jesus is God is going to Christian hellfire?









40 characters, where are you?

No anybody that reject God's salvation is lost. Jesus is God in the flesh.

Thunderfayamods:
Rubbish! There is nothing like hell fire.
40 characters 40 characters 40 characters.

The existence of justice points to the existence of an ultimate just being.
Jesus said the punishment of eternal judgment is forever!
Between Jesus and those rejecting his word who is dependable? From all metrics Jesus is more reliable than any human past, present or future.

adamkkk:
one question av been asking for years, why did God create the forbidden fruit, knowing it will bring temptation and ultimate death to man ?

God created the tree of knowledge of Good and evil so man by obeying him could show is gratitude and loyalty to him for creating a perfect world but unfortunately man became ungrateful same way humans are displaying their ungratefulness by rebelling against God today.

KingCold:
You live up to 53 years, your sins may amount to 35 years, since your first 18 years you were young and didn't know any better, but your punishment is eternal? Doesn't sound fair to me..The punishment doesn't fit the crime.. Your sins are finite, yet the punishment is infinite....

If you live on earth and ignore the evidence of the creator inspite of the evidence all around then you are responsible and God is fair. Take note nobody is going to be saved by their good works, intellectually propensity etc only by depending on God's salvation which is Jesus christ.

cutecommend:
Do all the best you can by God's grace not to enter hell fire.

No best effort of man can keep themselves from hell and only means way is the acceptance of Jesus christ as our Lord to save us from sin in this life. That is the only way.

cutecommend:
God is a very merciful God and wants all sinners to accept Jesus Christ today and repent so that they won't burn in very hot hell fire....WHY DOES GOD SEND SiNNERS TO HELL FIRE AFTER THEY DIE?
Do you know that it was man that "initiated" himself to be going to hell fire? Adam and Eve made all human beings qualified to go to hell fire if they sinned. This happened because they ate the forbidden fruit, and eating the forbidden fruit leads to death (eternal death).

Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"

Man chose hell fire for himself by eating the forbidden fruit. Eating the forbidden fruit is like taking a qualification exam that makes one eligible for hell fire: but Jesus Christ came to make a way of escape through repentance.

No Adam did not qualify everyone for hell rather hell is a place of separation from God. Anybody that reject God are thrown into hell. Choosing a life without God and his saving work in our lives is equal to choosing hell.

Janosky:
1 Corinthians11:3
"God is Supreme over Jesus Christ "

God the father is Supreme over Jesus because of his humanity but however all creation is subject to Jesus such authority only belongs to God.

Your claim is not true.
1 Corinthians15:27
"Jesus Christ was not installed as king until after his death , resurrection & ascension.
1Corinthian 25:24-27 is in your bible nau .

I don't know how this relate to anything. Jesus took a the position of a servant and he still remains God's servant it is a role in took up when he volunteered himself for the work of salvation.

gohf:
"their authority" steep don't you used to say that they are all the same, that the son is the almighty? where you not trying to prove something that "they" are the same being because it is "the name"?

They are the same God but distinct persons. Having one name prove they are one in essence.

Image123:
Thank you, i do not speak of deeper knowledge or maturity. i speak of the basics of being saved, living as a child of God and preparing for eternity. You don't need deeper knowledge or maturity to be saved, you need faith. You don't need deeper knowledge or maturity to live, you need it to grow. And of course any child of God will spend eternity with God regardless of maturity and deep knowledge. A great percent of the old testament saints and those who met Him physically in the gospels did not know He is God.

Alright, yes in terms of being saved you right.

Image123:
Give me just one gain from believing or understanding that there's no trinity or there is, greater than being saved, living as a child of God and preparing for eternity. Thank you.

while I don't think full knowledge of the theology of the Trinity is neccesary, but however, there is tremendous gain in the knowledge of the trinity.
The gospel itself is Trinitarian in nature, God the father sent his Son so that any one who believe in the Son would be saved then there follows the witness of the holy Spirit.


Though one might not understand the theology of the trinity yet when they respond to the gospel the accept the trinity. How? By accepting Jesus as God's son who died; when there is a Son there is a father. Secondly, by putting their faith in Jesus it means Jesus is reliable meaning Jesus is more than a man as only God is absolutely reliable.

Anyone who rejects the deity of Jesus can not absolutely put their trust in him hence cannot be saved.

Anyone who is truly saved cannot knowingly deny the deity of christ because it contradicts his salvation.

Yet the father and The Son are Spoken as distinct persons in the gospel yet both are God.
Anyone who has the holy spirit in him would know instinctively that the holy Spirit is not just a force but he is more and because of the way Jesus spoke about the holy Spirit he is a person.

Talking about relationship with God, for a good and healthy relationship with God one must know to a great extent the doctrine of the trinity, the book of 1 John addresses that.

Spiritual growth and maturity comes from deeper knowledge of God which include the doctrine of the trinity.

Janosky:
LIE no 1.
Lie No2.
Lie no3.

Nah their way to make False claims against JWs.

what lie? When you said the God Almighty is not deity that is the implication.

gohf:
so what is the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit?

Who gave Jesus all power?

Who gave the person that gave Jesus all power?

sometimes a name in the Bible represents authority. The name in of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit means their authority.

Janosky:
What a futile attempt to CHANGE 1 Cor 11:3 & 15:27 !!

I didn't change anything, Jesus took up a servant role by himself. If a king decide to take up the role of a cleaner and live by the same rules a cleaner abide by does that mean he is not a king? Jesus took up a servants role to show us example and to fulfill the plan of salvation.

Janosky:
Tertullian is correct .
"Jesus is not God himself ... not different as to essence."

Jesus is surbordinate to God his Senior(Father) in EVERYTHING,John 12:49-50.
Yahweh the Almighty God bestowed on believers the fullness of God
Oga,What does that make the believers?

Oga Steep,you wan edit John 17:21 in your Bible?

Surbordination does not contradict equality in nature. For example you are subordinate to the president but yet equally human just as the president is a human.
Philippians actually tells us how Jesus became subordinate to the Father. Jesus by himself took on that role of a servant an obviously subordinate role and he was made a man.


Since you have agreed that Jesus is same nature with the father but not the father himself, this is impressive, I am surprised at your progress, keep studying the Bible, God willing you may see obviously who Jesus truly is.

If Jesus has same essence with the father, it means Jesus is exactly as the father is. Just as the father has the ability to do all things so does Jesus, Just as the father is without beginning and end so does Jesus so Jesus and the father are one in essence but distinct in personhood.

As for believers being bestowed the fulness of God, it is not the same as having the fulness of his essence.

Gabrielshow24:
He can't define what he doesn't know 😂. He is confused as regards his problem statement, he thinks pontificating about his disillusionment of trinity makes it wrong! 😂

All of them in that boy-band, can't! They know they will be proven wrong by their own definitions👀. JW team did slightly better than this, they had the wisdom to engage rather give peremptory posits.

They think by proving Jesus has a God it negates his Godship!—Most of them don't even take physical context into view. Even if they managed this, with this being an impossible task given the alignment of scripture on this topic, what about the Holy Spirit? Can they mention one thing God can do that His Spirit can't? 😂 Definitely not!

Lol he is deceiving himself busy awarding delusional marks to himself. SMH

Janosky:

"The son is not God himself.... not different as to essence."
Source : Tertullian,early Church Father.
Oga Steep ,why are you deceiving yourself?

So do you agree with Tertullian that the Son is not God himself.. not different as to essence?

"Jesus not God himself ."
The fullness of God was bestowed on Jesus, Ephesian believers & other believers.
Ephesians 3:19 & 2 Peter 1:4. Colossians 1:19.

Oga,go and rest .

So if the fullness of God was bestowed on Jesus, what does that make him?

Boomark:
At this point we are not teaching anything.

You guys can start first. State what trinity stand for in your claim and back it up with key verses. I will counter whatever it is. After that round, I will make my own claim for you people to counter.

No, it is not done that way. You are the one who raised the argument, hence must clarify terms so that others can respond.
If you are really honest bookmark.
Set the foundation
What is the Trinity? And in addition also what does it mean to beGod?