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ssaengine:
When last did you slap your wife?

That is the calibre of question you are asking me. I dont waste my time with small boys.


You are the same people who claimed we only had 6 Gripen pilots in 2012, with the same conviction that you claim we now have 9. How did 8 Gripen pilots fly in Sweden in 2012, when you f00ls claimed with total conviction that we only had 6? Why does your mouth suddenly go silent when asked to answer that question?
We took our entire group of Gripen pilots to Sweden in 2012? There were zero pilots left at 2 Squadron only the security guards at the gate? And now you sum up the nerve from somewhere deep down in your bowls to demand we show proof we have more than 9 today? How pathetic.

A 2013 airticle said the SAAF had 18 Gripen aircrew and 52 Hawk aircrew at that time. YOU Nigerians on THIS forum took the liberty of saying 18 = 9 pilots + 9 Navigators. YOU people on THIS forum. Not the SAAF, not Defenceweb, not Janes Defence, not Beegeagle, not SAAB....but YOU social rejects. Now you are demanding proof to counter claims made here, and nowhere else.

Read through this 3 or 4 times until the stu.pidity of your comment sinks in.

bwahaadhahahahahahahaha.....


one question... do aircrew comprise of only pilots?

your comment comes off as a whining
old man.

you are yet to prove you have more than 9 Gripen pilots

Henry120:
When did you sign the Gripen Contract?



It sure as hell didn't take Czech republic 16 years to raise 9 Pilots for their Gripens.

it's now 17 years and still 9. i believe it has reduced since they also face mass exodus of qualified pilots

FighterPilot:
That's unnecessary because what you should know is that hawks pilots = Gripen pilots.

mor0n.

we don't take you seriously

Patchesagain:
WE FVCKING HAVE

by word of mouth? sure.. we'll believe whatever you say

Patchesagain:
So we have had the gripen for 7 years.

Only pilots who would do the training were trained beforehand, and there are a limited number of them and they can only train so many people per year.

no patches. stop talking like a novice

that's a silly excuse.

you signed the contract in 98. so definitelt had 10 years to train more than 9 pilots before the aircrafts are delivered.

now it's 17 years and you are stuck with just 9

ssaengine:
The number of 9 Gripen pilots ANYWHERE ON PLANET EARTH came from Nigerians on THIS forum. And they keep using that number as if it came from a credible source . If they are so clued up on the SAAF....i DARE any of them, show us how many Hawk pilots have moved onto the Gripen since 2012? How many have completed the conversion course since then? It was an absolute bare MININUM of 8 Gripen pilots in 2012, how many are there now? Or you'll keep saying "9....9...9" for the next 5 years to suite your argument?

Bl00dy m0rons.

why don't you do yourself a favor and give us evidence that you have more than 9 pilots.

bloody mor0n

FighterPilot:
The gripens were first introduced in SA airspace in 2010. This is contrary to what the slowpoke Henry insinuated by suggesting that gripens have 16 years in SA.

In November 1998, the South African Air Force ordered 28 Gripen multi-role aircraft (19 single-seat and nine dual-seat). Denel Aviation of South Africa will produce part of the centre fuselage. The first flight was in November 2005 and deliveries began in April 2008 and will conclude in 2012. Four aircraft were officially handed over to the SAAF in September 2008. The fifth aircraft was delivered in November 2008.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen/

don't you have to train an air crew before recieving deliveries of fighters?

we don't take you seriously. you are a liar.

a dumb one at that

FighterPilot:
SA hawks have avionics that simulate those of gripens. It is a very easy task for pilots to cross floor to other platform like gripens and that's what they do from time to time.

sorry we dont take you seriously.

give evidence and stop the mouthfarts

Henry120:
The 9 Gripen Pilots can also fly the hawk. Hawk pilots who haven't been trained on the Gripen cannot fly the Gripen.


SAAF only has 9 Gripen Pilots.

The guy is an imbec1le if he thinks hawks pilots can fly the grpen

FighterPilot:
South Africa is not a puppet of the imperialist called ICC. That's all. Let African problems be solved by Africans. The ICC is just a western machine used to prosecute only Africans when the atrocious mongers like George Bush and Tony Blair are left to scot free.

Bal bla bla bal bla......

Yet the puppet tries to fulfill it's masters wish to look like a good boy.

Even patches claimed you were trying to hand him over.

FighterPilot:
Only those sitting where? Bwahahahaa… look at this black tire. Stop making a joke of yourself. Gripens and Hawks are now made to operate same avionics so as to enable pilots to fly the same platforms. The pilots can fly the same platforms interchangeably depending on their hours.

Huh see excuse of life

Is there an end to your dumbness? Or you just gonna keep talking without proving sh1t?

I hope you know you are not taken seriously on this thread due to your challenges

Dullard.

Still no proof you have more gripen pilots

FighterPilot:
Bwahaha… since when do ground crews wear pilot gears?

dumb he-goat

only those seated at the first two rows

and you did read where he mentioned HAWKS pilots didn't you.

Dullard

thought your initial question was crew attending briefings too

Patchesagain:
It is a Maritime Patrol Aircraft

it has been upgraded for land surveillance last year in UK.

FighterPilot:
Look at this handicapped man, so if you count those fighter pilots on the image, they make the sum of nine isn't? Those are not even the total of SANDF fighter pilots.

dumb he-goat.

hawks pilots

ground crew/navigators

no where in that article does it say you have more than 9 gripen pilots

Patchesagain:
uhh... the picture of more than 9 pilots sitting for their pre-flight Briefing?

uhh... ground crew/navigators don't sit for briefings too?

MikeCZAR:
Do you know much Nigeria spends of defence?

You think socio-economic needs should be overlooked cause "you want locally owned defence technology"?

Dude, just shut up

You are not making sense

MikeCZAR:
You know at times it is good to put patriotism aside.


Most tracked IFVs are heavily armoured compared to wheeled IFVs increasing their weight. They are also difficult to deal with in the field if broken down.

Majority of the countries which use tracked IFVs need them for urban warfare, where armour is needed not speed.

Most tracked vehicles maximum speed is below 89km/h compared to wheeled IFVs which can hit 100km/h+.

Dude. Nigeria is not south Africa

Different climate

Different environment

And different military requirements

What Nigeria acquires is not for SANDF.

There are areas in the sambisa forest that are marshy and not accessible to wheeled vehicles. So our requirements are diverse.

I told you to stop acting like you know stuff cos most times you come off sounding ignorant.

Your knowledge seems to be confined to south African affairs

FighterPilot:
Bwahahahahaa… what an impudence!!! an utter ignorance exhibited by my fellow Nigerian. You are such a black tire and next time you must make a concise research before you think of putting your dirty fingers on that keyboard.

SANDF received their first batch of gripens in 2010 and this year is 2015. So, tell me since when is 2015-2010=16 years, well perhaps that will be the answer in Nigerian mathematics.


Read this and stop fooling yourself around.

http://www.pilotspost.co.za/arn0000089

Dullard

where in that fantacised article does it say you have more than 9 pilots?

dumb he-goat

FighterPilot:
Do you mean like this? bwahahahaah…

#Dullard

Patchesagain:
The SELEX Galileo airborne tactical observation and surveillance (ATOS) mission system is installed with four interchangeable strategic operator stations to simplify the operations. It includes three sensors including an electro-optical turret FLIR system Star Safire HD, AESA SELEX Galileo Sea Spray 7000E search radar and an ESM (Electronic Support Measures) sensor from Elettronica.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atr-72-mp-maritime-patrol-aircraft/

Now that we have shown that it uses sea-spray radar

Provide a link for 400km range of ATR42 radar.

Thank you.

bloody liar

there are different variants of ATR and what yoh have shown is ATR 72. not 42-500 which is what Nigeria operates.

this is the spec. for our version. you bloody liar

The ATOS, designed and built by Selex ES, a Finmeccanica company, includes two operator stations and manages a sensor suite which comprises multi-mode radar, electro-optical IR turret, color and b/w cameras, Automatic Identification System (AIS), Direction Finder (DF) and video recording equipment. With its modular architecture, the ATOS allows the entire surveillance system to be easily tailored to specific customer requirements, for instance by integrating Electronic Support Measures (ESM) or other subsystems and sensors.

http://www.aleniaaermacchi.it/products-prodotti/advanced-surveillance-sorveglianza-avanzata/atr-42mp-1

sometime last year, Nigeria upgraded and added more features to anable it being used for land operations. and it did well.

you can't deny seeing the videos and pics. evem though we know you will lie that you didn't
you need to stop being decietful just to score cheap points on an internet forum. bloody liar

you think everyone on this forum has a south african dull brain?

agaugust:
Citation needed ! .

he's gradually becoming a pesty troll

MikeCZAR:
Compare flying hours!

are you trying to compare flying hours between your 20+ years idle airforce to a Nigerian airforce that has flown more than 10,000 combat sorties since the time SANDF was formed?

don't ever compare your inexperienced airforce with NAF wof more than 20 years combat experience

are you a comedian?

MikeCZAR:
The Gripen has one of the most advanced data links in the world.

so how will your gripen locate an enemy target 400km away since SANDF lacks the capability?

is it sangoma witches that will relay it to them through data link?

we still outclass you bra

FighterPilot:
Thanks for pulling out that honest admission that your overrated glorified piece of technology you have been dubbed to buy is yet to stop Boko haram.

Thank you very much.

Terrorist

we had those ATR before boko haram wentvon rampage. it was recently upgraded because we needed to boost our ISTAR capabilities.

are you also saying the US, and world powers have dupped themselves too?

oh.. the stup1dity

agaugust:
Indian local industry input in manufacture and inadequate maintenance can be a cause for Indian Su-30 MKI crashes.

China flies 100 units of Su-30 MKK and have very very rare crash incidents.

American and European jets are crashing more than the Russian jets. F-16, F-18, F-15, Tornado, and new generation 4 Eurofighter Typhoons have crashed, then the new thriller...5 Rafale jets have crashed in 5 years
.

and they still won't see anything wrong with this fact because it's WESTERN.

these south africans and their western as5licking is just too obvious.

that's why their government wants to covertly arrest bashir so their western lords will praise them.

FighterPilot:
One thing that I respect about BOKO HARAM is that they care less about a luxurious wasteful expenditure called ATR42. They do not respect it at all and they continue to ran down every credible feature that this overrated tech is said to have. They have proved that it can easily be penetrated and broken down, every bit of it, piece by piece. They humiliate this tech such that it is now clear on everyone's eyes that the Italians dubbed Nigerians into falling for this luxurious wasteful expenditure. They knew well Nigerian military was still poor to boast such a tech, they knew it was still just a kid to get into such big expensive shoes.

YOU HAVE BEEN DUPPED.


Meanwhile, BH attacks a Babangida community in Yobe burning down a police station and houses to the ground.

http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/15/boko-haram-attacks-babangida-in-yobe/

you are the biggest and most disgraceful foolish south african on this thread. your son would shake his head in shame if he gets to know his father's level of reasoning.

and you claim to be in the military. if this is the product of the SANDF, your defence review should also include eradicating illiteracy from it's illiterate personnel.

you should also respect ISIS, PKK, IRA etc... (being a lover of terrorists) because US and these military high tech weapons are yet to stop them.

you deserve no respect as you have proven toto reason like a sub-human.

terrorist

MikeCZAR:
Seaspray surveillance radar.

stop behaving like a troll and provide evidence

FighterPilot:
What does a reporter know about a military stuffs? Of course, the data stations related the information through radios and rather the ground forces did not see the enemy position on the monitors themselves.

In SANDF our ground forces see the enemy themselves in real time on their own monitors. Our ground forces uses cytoons which your poverty stricken forces have none.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9351/

go back and read my comment you replied to again, then come back qnd read your response.

you'll realize your brain is getting older than your age.

and your ground radar is in no way up to Nigeria's ATR-2 or any ISTAR platforms we have.

you are still behind

FighterPilot:
In the whole of Africa there is no African as wasteful as a Nigerian. Any scrap or advanced tech presented on them they would fall for it without having done feasibility study to test if they have all the facilities needed to procure a certain tech. All that they enjoy is spend and spend, over and over. They just look like a destitute and poor family that would want to own Porsche or Lambogini even when the conditions does not allow them to do so. They should master Maslow's hierarchy of needs by heart. They will want to boast satellites and ISTAR when they do not have basics, things that they will require to physically tackle BH.

FighterPilot:
In the whole of Africa there is no African as wasteful as a Nigerian. Any scrap or advanced tech presented on them they would fall for it without having done feasibility study to test if they have all the facilities needed to procure a certain tech. All that they enjoy is spend and spend, over and over. They just look like a destitute and poor family that would want to own Porsche or Lambogini even when the conditions does not allow them to do so. They should master Maslow's hierarchy of needs by heart. They will want to boast satellites and ISTAR when they do not have basics, things that they will require to physically tackle BH.

tantrum from an overgrown brat with poor intellectual capacity to engage objectively. what a pity

FighterPilot:
ATR42 without tactical data link that integrate other platforms cannot communicate with other systems in real time and warn them about BH activities. You must have been a fool with acquiring such a tech without a dedicated tactical data link. What a loss!! If mighty Egypt cannot do it because they do not have data link, what of a stupidd Nigeria?

SA is the only country on the continent that can make their ISTAR to be perfectly integrated with all their platforms in real time because they developed their own tactical data link that can as well as today access LINK 11 of NATO.

oh.. sorry... i forgot you are a dunce who can't understand simple things.

BBC reporter tobi oladipo and some other Nigerian journalists were taken onboard the ATR when the military was prepping to retake a town frim boko haram.

according to the channels reporter onboardd.." the ATR was relaying cordinates of enemy positions to troops on ground for artillery fire.
that's one.

secondly... Nigeriam military commanders get realtime video coverage at DHQ from one of our ISTAR platforms during the heated battles to reclaim territories.

i have given two instances of Nigeria's operational data link usage.

now be a good boy and give us south african one. not frim news articles.

ode oshi

Patchesagain:
Gripen

Kondor-E satelight (an actual military reconnaissance satellite)

Thales ground search radars

are you okay? or just being the typical liar patches.

gripen = carries recon pod to sacrifice weapons load. and not half as comparable in endurance, range etc... to ATR

condor = Funny... i won't bother

ground search radar = really? for ISTAR? like.. REALLY?

patches = clown of the thread.

FighterPilot:
We have thousands of categories for which we are far better than NAF. Tell me do you have 4th gen fighters? Submarines? Frigates? Tactical data link? etc.

hahahahahahahahahaha.... i wasn't wrong about this guy.

i wish i could reason like a retardd so i can give proper retardedd response to this retardedd comment.

so you have stylishly admitted that Nigeria has a more advanced ISTAR capability than SA. . so what's the argument again?