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Patchesagain:
So you confirm that the Sentinel is better.

even if the sentinel is better, south africa still doesn't match Nigeria in that category.

if you do... state the platforms... that simple

FighterPilot:
The sad thing is that ATR cannot see villages being ransacked by BH everyday. They cannot see pirates who are stealing oil in Nigeria's shores everyday.

and the sad thing is that your comment comes off like a wounded spoilt dumb brat with brain drain problem.

having accepted the obvious, you resort to this pettiness. smh

@bidexi. Nice work you are doing here.

Would be more baddass if there are more hardwares in the photos than troops posing.

Etc... Btr...you know the rest.

And special forces too.

africaken:
whats wrong with us doing our own thing,the Sikhs have their turban

Well, that's @patches for you. If it's not western styled, it doesn't make sense.

I wonder how someone can grow with such mentality.

RudzSA:
[s]Arguing with a Nigerian is like arguing with an infant .. These Muslim brainwashed Africans are realy a piece of work .evrything seems to defeat them ,yet they want to claim it all .i bet u thers no line anywer in the mighty REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA of ppl who want to go to Nigeria ,but the lines in Lagos are are longer than the cars that got stuck During the petrol shortage , Bcoz u ppl wish we cud trade places .now find a wiki page disputing that ..wel be waiting in our air conditioned homes with no generator sounds to annoy us[/s]

blablablablablablablabla.......

mzilakazi:
Waoh!!! Baby, what is wrong now? I mean no trouble but peace. Come on.
Well, is fine, I will send you e-mail then.

chai!! see konji.
you no even get game sef. loser

mzilakazi:
When it comes to ladies my heart softens because you just have the naturally gifted art of soothing man's irritation. I greeted you only thinking that all these bashings will not have anything to do with our prospective relationship. Hope, I will hear from you soon, sweetness.

bwahahahahahahahaha....

a hornny zulu begging for affection.

and patches the liar should know that the germans trained on their own doctrines not the US.

The United States played a dominant role in NATO, and had its own forces stationed in Germany as well. Cooperation between the two militaries was extensive and cordial. Joint exercises and close collaboration allowed the German and American armies to learn from each other regarding strategy, tactics and technology. However there were failures when it came to a joint venture in tank design in the 1960s, and the lack of cooperation in developing infantry fighting vehicles.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Germany

Patchesagain:
- The South Koreans didnt have any real sort of Army before the Americans provided assistance.

How did the South Korean Army fare DURING the war?

What is the state of ROK forces now?

How did ROK forces perform in Veitnam?

- Is FARC on its knees or not? Yes or no!

- Is Kobani still under seige?

- US trained Iraq troops have not been involved in the fighting.

- Are American combat forces in Iraq? I ask again, if US COIN policy is so bad, point to one country they have been pushed out of.

- Again, I like how you held back on mentioning that the JDF, Bundeswehr and IDF

Henry, you hate for America is so transparent - all because they wouldent sell you weapons and cut their training aid to you. As usual Nigerians display their overly emotional nature.

patches. go enlighten yourself please. you're embarrasing

south korea is heavily armed. yes. but still scared of the north till date.

FARC still controls large territories in colombia. sime of it's leaders were killed but that doesn't put them in their knees you liar.

kobani is not iraq. if that tiny little town that took hundreds of airstrikes to support ground troops in securing it is the only proof of US COIN success, then you are either deceiving yourself or just being the typical western arslicker that you are.

US did not creat the IDF, doesn't train it. they only arm them.

IDF trains US troops instead
http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/u-s-marines-train-in-israel-counter-terrorism-with-idf/

US did not train or raise JDF. they only hold joint exercises you bloody liar. they are still lobbying for it to happen.

US and Japanese forces train together frequently, and as a result are more familiar with one another than most. That said, there are issues to be overcome to working together. There are obvious ones, such as the difference in language and culture. But below that, Japanese and US forces often do things differently, as a US Marine Corps colonel in charge of a Marine Expeditionary Unit exercising with Japanese forces told me recently. Some issues, like language, can’t be changed overnight. But others, such as an understanding of how the other side works and approaches problems, can be learned much more quickly. Greater familiarity on both sides with the other would improve battlefield interoperability and effectiveness.
http://thediplomat.com/2011/09/train-japanese-forces-abroad/

jln115:
B-Cat Military concludes Pathfinder Unmanned Ground Vehicle development

"B-Cat Military has finished development testing of its one hundred per cent South African designed and built Pathfinder unmanned ground vehicle (UGV), which is being offered to the South African National Defence Force (SANDF)."


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39352:b-cat-military-concludes-pathfinder-unmanned-ground-vehicle-development&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

you can't afford it. it's not yours. your military is broke. project biro is a 20 year old pipe dream.

you are buying nothing.

MikeCZAR:
Practice target for a single frigate!




Come back when you have a real sea fighting capability both surface and sub-surface.

your navy is not proper.

using frigates and subs to perform the work of OPV and corvette.

SA has no navy

MikeCZAR:
Your sailors will eat mermaids and sea monsters?

no. they will stop over at simons town.

eat your food,

drink your best wines,

sleep with your sisters.

and continue their voyage.

is that answer proper enough for your stup1d question?

FighterPilot:
Give us any earlier news than that.

direct your question to the right person.... @patches

Patchesagain:
Just a reminder about the allegations made by Nigerians about SAN fleet readyness:

There have been reports critical of the SAN’s operational readiness levels.

Of course, there is no way that all its vessels can be fully operational at the same time – naval vessels, like aircraft, have complex mainte-nance schedules involving a variety of different levels of maintenance. And crews need training – a vessel undertaking training duties is not operationally deployable.

In the past readiness, was, if anything, worse. In the 1970s, the SAN had, on paper, a fleet of three submarines, two destroyers, four frigates and three ocean patrol ships (comprising two obsolete frigates and one obsolete ocean minesweeper).

In reality, there were never more than two submarines, one destroyer and three frigates in service (and often there were only two frigates operational). Of the nine strike craft that formed the backbone of the surface force in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, no more than six were ever in service at the same time.

Worldwide, an operational level of 50% – that is, half of the fleet is at sea or can put to sea for operational missions in a matter of days – is regarded as good for navies. Many navies do not achieve this level. Very, very few indeed exceed it. “

The SA Navy currently has two frigates available for operational contingencies,” he reports. “One frigate is deployed as part of the anti-piracy patrols in the Mozambique Channel whilst the other is scheduled to undertake an extensive west coast patrol with visits and exercises scheduled off Namibia, Angola, Nigeria and Senegal (where it will participate in the Sea Power for Africa Symposium [November 5 to 8, 2013]). A third frigate is available for training in Simon’s Town whilst the fourth is undergoing maintenance and repair. The SAS Amatola is due to conduct a refit which should commence early in the new year. The current frigate availability rate is as per the SA Navy ‘business plan’ and exceeds the international norm for operational availability.” As for the submarines, one is undergoing a major refit which will last until the middle of next year.

It is our preference that if you wish to share this article with others you should please use the following link:

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/south-african-navy-mulls-future-requirements-as-fleet-remains-active-2013-10-04-1

wow! i was hoping to see "high endurance OPVs, corvettes and other modern patroling vessels". patroling your shores.

lets say your frigates are not available due to maintenance issues. what do you have? nothing. except that obsolete replenishment ship (drakenbourg) that will even be target practice for pirates.

did you people brag that you have a blue sea navy?

DieVluit:
The Human Development Index, which measures EVERYTHING says you are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Again, I ask: where does it say that there are fuel shortages in South Africa and that Nigerians can't power up their generators? Nigeria's economic growth is higher that the US's, but only a fool would say Nigeria is better than the US. The same applies to your useless link.

lol. look at this clown. we are talking real problems, you are pulling a paper report on HDI?

thought you were done trolling

pull one on this.... you don't have your problems you say?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/13/c_134236521.htm

Henry120:
Exactly!!! The U.S doctrine focuses on an over-reliance of Firepower and air-support. It is the machine, not the man that does the fighting.

It works for the U.S perfectly since they have a 700 billion dollars budget and a over 3000 fighter jets to call in. When this doctrine is transferred/ adopted by less rich Nations, there Armies seem to crumble when faced with a determined foe.

The brits like you correctly pointed out are better trained Infantry men. In my opinion, they have the best Infantry in the world. Countries who adopt british tactics do better in combat than those of American.

As for the French, i won't categorise the french in the same level as the british. The british Infantry is top to bottom better than the French. French over dependence on air-support was very apparent in Operation serval. 100 French Paratroopers armed with M.G's and High powered sniper rifles against 12 Jihadist still had to call in 30mm and Rocket fire was Tiger gunship.


The American disease was becoming a Nigerian military problem, when i read troops and some Nigerians always calling for Gunship support in the initial stages of the setback.

It was very gratifying when the COAS came out emphatically and said, "It is the soldier, not the equipment that does the fighting".

American training is window dressing, it does nothing and it achieves nothing. Even their S.F troops still have to depend on significant military support.


That's for Training, Any thoughts American failed counter-terrorism, only 2-3 years after they left Iraq, they are back, with members of Al-qeada in Iraq, now ISIS controlling at some point 60% of Iraq, and still holding up to 50% of Syria.

The Taliban still controls large swats of land in Afghanistan with almost daily bombings despite an initial surge of U.S troops.

- the Pakistani Taliban and alqeada are still very effective.

- alqeada in Yemen is now stronger than ever.

- Alqeada now has a significant offshoot in the indian sub-continent.

- ISIL in Libya controls all of sirte and significant part of the country.

-Ansar Bait al-Maqdis, ansar al-sharia in Egypt and the sinai peninsula are still very active.

- Al-shabbab despite drone attacks and Special forces raids is still capable of launching attacks in Somalian green zones.

- the militants in the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia are still very active despite U.S support.

- AQAP is still strong.

It is very obvious U.S counter-terrorism operations have failed and relative successes have been overblown in the U.S media.

The iraqi government has realised that their continued reliance on US training will not help. they have started going to the russians. just yesterday the prime minister was there calling for military ties between both countries.

i may be wrong about the french though. and you are definitely right about US spec ops over reliance on air support.

i remember around january when a failed rescue operation was carried out in syria. my brother, if you hear the kind of air support about 10-15 spec ops needed to raid a compound of about 20-30 ISIL fighters, it made me wonder what the trainings were meant for in the first place.

i must commend GEJ for growing the ballz to stop further US training of Nigerian troops. i hated the idea from the start and i hope buhari would not make the mistake of reversing the policy.

another thing i noticed is that the world has already been brainwashed by hollywood (another US sponsored propaganda machine) to believe that the US military is what it is not. which makes everyone want to ride along.

russia was at US backyard in cuba with air defenses. even shot down a US bomber. the only thing the US could do was to disrupt a UN session in protest. imagine if it was Nigera or another weaker foe.

i'm not anti american but i just see their military for what it is.... overrated

bidexiii:
Uv got NO FUCKEN brains brats did u clink on that link before u paste it,click on the link or copy and paste the URl and see if its working !
Av told u, u'v got to proof to show us that ur rooivalks where the 1st to back-flip u south africans r fucken frauds !

and the fool that liked his post... proves they don't read through anything before mouthing off.

dumb people.

Henry120:
Let's if we can have a proper discussion.

U.S training and Counter-terrorism operations.

This has boggled my mind for a long time, but i have only been reminded by Igbi's (Patriot04's) comment.

-I mean, this is no news. Outside the media propaganda and blitz of CNN and other American/ british news networks, The U.S Counter-terrorism approach is very ineffective. Why do you guys think this is so, why is the U.S method achieving so little so insignificant results?



- U.S Training, this has also been another area of concern. U.S trained forces never seem to do well in battle. U.S trained countries always are better equipped than the "enemy", with better odds than the enemy, however in actual battle, they are always the first to flee or get defeated. The South-Koreans, Filipinos, Cuban trained dissidents "bay of pigs", the Iraqi's, U.S trained FSA in Syria, the Malian army, Indonesian troops in East-Timor, Central Americans...... etc etc are just a few examples.


U.S military aid looks much better on paper, than in practice. Why is this so?

i think one of the reasons is that the US doctrine focuses more on firepower than the man doing the fighting. (even though their spec ops operators are trained to be more effective)

from vietnam, iraq, afghanistan etc... the US troops have always relied more on firepower. where they can't deploy them effectively, they get help from mercineries and militias to do the fighting for them.

proof is iraq, afghanistan (allied forces had to go in to cover up their weaknesses), somalia etc to mention a few.

so the problem to me starts from the trainer. US does not train it's infantry to fight hard but to depend on it's machine to do the fighting. so any country that can't afford these hardwares have these weaknesses exposed.

and those who do... welll... the saudis, polish, s. korea etc just exposes the faults in the US military doctrines.

France and Britain have better trained infantry soldiers than the US. they depend less in hardware and more on the man doung the fighting.

remember the Nigerian army was very effective at the time they incorporated british doctrine for infantry training.

thanks to the ugly monkey obj, our army becam less effective since we shifted to the US.

that tells a lot

africaken:
you need to ask your self why the iranians refused to buy S-300 PMU

i don't know where you get your information from.

iran already paid for them but russia refused to supply because of the UN arms embargo on iran.

russia has lifted the ban and is about to supply iran with the systems. they are even considering selling s-400 to them.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32290335

patches689:
Algeria has a conscript army

Thus, by definition, they are not professional

France is one of the few countries in the world was blue-water force projection - in-case you forgot, they have a full blown carrier as well as 7 amphibious warfare vessels ( 3 Mistrals to Algerias 1) so they can very easily fight that far from home.

Much is being made of Algeria's air defence network - what you fail to realize is that it will quickly be eroded by french warships slinging cruise missiles and the French airforce employing their Storm Shadow cruise missiles from over 300km away and later their AASM Hammer munitions. Algerias S300 stocks are not unlimited.

Algeria will be bombed into the stone age before the first french planes come within the 200km range of the Algerian S-300PMU-2's.

Algeria's 44 SU-30's wont stand a chance against against Frances ~100 Rafaels, the rest of the Algerian airforce wont stand a chance against the 124 remaining french Mirage 2000's.

Now lets talk logistics:

1. Algeria is in range of French Rafaels based in France (with aerial-refuel) as well as Mirage 2000's based in France (aerial refuel)
2. Algeria is in range of French air assets based in Mali, Niger and Chad.

Once air superiority is established, its just a question of mopping up.

lol... patches.

and Algerian war ships will stiill be docked to watch in amusement as french ships sling cruise missiles frombit's shores?

war is not like playing video games guy. you were in so much hurry that you forgot france has to engagr the Algerian Navy first (which is also blue water capable) before slinging dem cruise missiles.

and while the navies engage, the algerian army positions it's air defences in anticipation for a french air campaign.

don't try to use the iraq template on this one. we both know US fought an already crumbled military. iraqi generals even gave US cordinates of where and when to hit.

let's not derail this thread abeg.

africaken:
is that so,you know it won't kill you to google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Algeria

guy, aside from the war with israel ( which we all know is based on religion), the list is mainly Algerian conflicts.

Algerian constition forbids military intervention in foreugn conflicts. it's not up for discussion. i'm preoccupied right now, but this is the closest i could find to make you understand better.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/06/algeria-mali-will-not-intervene.html

patches689:
Why do you keep talking about Argentina?

France's equipment details are readily available, go look them up

I assure you that it is all better, and unlike Algeria, the equipment is operated by professionals

Are you planning on trolling this thread as well?

one thing i realy dislike about your opinions (not you) is that if it's not western it's not professional.

it is flawed and amateurish reasoning.

and you guys should always try to see reasons instead of tackling an opinion based on personal grudges for someone.

if there was to be a war between france and algeria it would be close to algeria. and except france will get help from it's western allies, france does not have the capabilities to wage such a war far from home and against a formidable force like algeria and expect to win. that's a fact.

fighting militants is not same as fighting a well armed conventional military.

Technology only gives an advantage but does not guarantee a win. during the algerian/morroco war, morroco had advantage in advanced weaponry and were well supplied by the west, while algeria which barely had a military back then could not be defeated despite taking more casualties.

one thing i know is that the algerians can fight and are well disciplined.

France defeating algeria (if they go alone) is a dream IMO. it'll surprise you that even the rafael will be retreat after a few have been hit with algerian s-300.

and who told you algerians are not well trained. did you conduct the training? or is it because they don't train with your western demigods? i'll like to know.

cos you south africans make it seem like france fighting a country like algeria will be like a walk in the park.

africaken:
with all that still france is doing 90% to contain al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb

that's because france has interests in the regions they are involved in.

that's not a means to judge.

moreover algeria has a policy of not intervening in external conflicts militarily.

saengine:
Gripen lands in Zambia - perfectly possible

C-130 lands in Zambia with ground crew and weapons - lies lies lies!! Impossible

Nigerian logic

you forgot to mention... gripens armed with AAM to attack ground targets in CAR. highly possible

south afrucan logic

Centrifude:
LMFAO hahahahahahahaha!!!
You are killing your own argument you dumb TW@T

Its the same reason S.A gripen Needed AAM they hard to be able to protect themselves if anything bad were to happen.

You claimed that all you need is diplomatic power to protect yourself from potential threats.

That's why I said you need to take precautions regardless of who you are.

No. i killed your logic and failed attempt to cover up your dull reasoning.

yes you nees diplomatic muscle to make your host countries allow you to use their airspace to fly combat missions.

why would they attack you if the government gives you permission? please give reason.

SA lacks such diplimatic clout.

we did same over Niger, chad, ivory coast etc..

experience boy. something your military desperately needs.

you lack such powers. simple

saengine:
Oh okay. Then its lies. Guess the Beeld newspaper was lying about Gripens being in Zambia and C-130's landing. No problem :-)

yes. we saw your jets in zambia alright.

we also saw them armed with AAM to attack ground targets in CAR.

erm... did't you donkeys initailly claim those were not AAM?

funny clowns.

Centrifude:
Nigeria buys jets without Air to Air missiles where are your F-7s AAMs

bwahahahahaha... typical south afrucans. trying to shift the goal post once defeated.

Are PL 9 missiles meant for air to suface attacks?

SA lacks diplomatic clout to pull it off. simple

Centrifude:
This is st*pid its like asking why would GEJ need Body Guards for when he visits any of those countries, since they love respect and fear Nigeria why would you president need guards to protect him.

You have to take precautions regardless of who you are, please stop being Naïve.

dude, your question is really dumb as fvck.

like why would the US president need special forces, seals, bulletproof cars and bodyguards on standby when visiting other countries sinve they respect and fear the US.

silly question.

SA lacks the diplimatic clout to pull it off. simple

Centrifude:
Do you have Air to Air Capabilities yes or no??

You cannot use something you don't have, its as simple as that.

are you drunk? we escorted c-130s with same alpha jets over ivory coast air space with air to air missiles after gbagbo threatened to shoot down our plane during sl civil war you dummy.

who buys fighters without Ait to Air missiles

saengine:
http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1196/sa-was-ready-for-more

"John Morgan, a South African working in Zambia, was amazed while at Ndola airport on Saturday waiting for his flight and four Gripen fighter aircraft landed.

Shortly thereafter, a South African C-130 Hercules cargo plane with the Gripens ground crew also landed there. Morgan's photos show the Gripens IRIS air-to-air missiles and equipped with long-range tanks.

According to Beeld's information a stock of bombs was sent in a C-130."



Stock of bombs sent in a C-130. End of discussion.

lies lies lies!!! south africans and lies are synonymous.

give us independent sources... like zambians on ground. not some hogwash by lying south africans.

Centrifude:
Who said they wanted to Bomb targets with Air to Air missiles don't you dunderheads get that jets need to be able to protect themselves just incase they run into threats.

Which stupid Country would send their jets on a protection mission to a foreign country without giving them the simplest capabilities of protecting themselves first.

hahahahahahaha... Nigeria flew alpha jets to liberia and sl without air-air missiles during the civil wars there. did same to mali past Niger. that is the experience we are talking about brah.

fools. your military and government are so inexperienced in such missions that they forget they have to ask for permission to fly past the countries' airspace by which hostile attack on your jets by the host countries is less likely.
seeing as serious as the crisis was then, those countries would have obliged without much delay. That's if you are truly respected over there.

it's common sense bro.

so by your explanation, SA lacks the diplimatic power to make such happen.

#NewRevelation.

Centrifude:
What's so funny about that??

What else would Air to Air missile be used for?

well... looking at the current state of SANDF, they wanted to bomb ground targets with air-air missiles because of lack of funds to properly arm the jets.

i suspect zambia gave them fuel on credit to fly for cameras to decieve you fools they were going to do anything. like they've always done with the usual photos release.

and nice excuse by the way.

you could fly bombs on c-130 to CAR, but waited for days to charter a plane to fly your wounded and defeated troops out.

nice move