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FreeSpirited:
Why do u just pick one scenario to justify that Abraham dint have two wives when countless cases of servants of God having multiple wives abound....

He specifically stated only Abraham, so I addressed only that.

As for the others, not one of them Sorted God's Mark of "PERFECT'. "Be ye perfect'./Genesis 17:1 says, "Walk before me, [b]and be thou perfect"

And those who scored that Mark were those having one wife. That is, Noah and Job[/b]

And that is why the it is Written "Ye are without excuse". Romans 1:20.

FreeSpirited:
Ezra 10:3
Now you have misinterpreted Ezra 10v 3.........Those guys decided within themselves to put away STRANGE WIVES BORN OF WOMEN FROM IDOLATROUS TRIBE

.......Ezra 9 also said same thing , Ezra 10 v 2 says same thing.......u guys are so self righteous, cunny and terrible the way u misinterpret scriptures..........

Lev.18.8 - "'Do not have sexual relations with your FATHER'S WIFE; that would dishonor your father.
Lev.18.11 - "'Do not have sexual relations with the DAUGHTER OF YOUR FATHER'S WIFE, born to your father; she is your sister

"Those guys decided within themselves". Is this not the meaning of repentance? And is God's Salvation not about saving anyone who does not want to enter into His Wrath? So this statement has no value here.

'WOMEN FROM IDOLATROUS TRIBE'. After Ezra, can you see any righteous man having more than one wife?

Even these your words "women from idolatrous nations" shows that by God's Law, Isreal's women did not marry their men as second wives.

AI overview
Ezra's Reform:
While Ezra strongly advocated for the Israelites to return to the Law of Moses, including the practice of monogamy, his efforts did not completely eliminate polygamy among the people.

So, you see they had their first wife, mostly an Isrealite and therefore they could not marry a second Isrealite woman but had to go outside Isreal to break The Law.

Same thing which Nehemiah applied.

Nehemiah's Actions:
The book of Nehemiah describes a situation where many Jewish men had married foreign women, (obviously because no Isrealite woman wanted to marry them and break The Law.)
prompting Nehemiah to lead a similar reform movement to Ezra, requiring these men to divorce their foreign wives.

So, from these, you see Isreal knew God prohibited polygamy even if they did not easily obey it in those days

But, it is very clear now as seen from the new testament, you do not see any Isrealite with 2 wives

So it is a case of you planning to disobey God and break His Commandment like others have done.

FreeSpirited:
Why din't u comment on the bolded since it was a law God was spelling out to Isrealites
Comment on it and prove that it doesn't mean a man having another wife

I did. Those verses are not standing alone. They are in The Law against Lusts and abominations.

Leviticus 18:24 -30
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled

29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.

So you are trying to use an abomination to commit sin?

FreeSpirited:
Deuteronomy 17 v 17 was talking about a king having MANY WIVES

This was argued in the thread and it did not hold.

FreeSpirited:
All other forms of marriage is against God's will? Which scripture tells you polygamy is against GOD'S WILL?
.....[b]does Against God's will also mean sin? [/b]If So...Why did God and Paul made this statements?

1. Lev.18.2 - "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God.
Lev.18.4 - You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God.
Lev.18.8 - "'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.
Lev.18.11 - "'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
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God told Moses to tell Israel to obey his laws and decree.....And this sexual laws includes that
A. a man must not have sex with his Father's wife......... doesn't this mean that God expects a man can have another wife aside the first just as many servants of God had in the Bible?
Note that...Father's wife doesn't mean mother cos sex with Mother was clearly spelt out in preceding verse....

2. God also said do not have sex wit daughter of your father's wife..... This means God doesn't see it as a sin for a man to have a daughter born by different woman who is a wife......what do you have to say?

Note that it was God himself speaking to Moses about his law that must be obeyed and sexual sin they must not commit (read verse 1-4 saying

"does Against God's will also mean sin?" Yes

God's Will is expressed via His Laws. So when you see God's Law or Command, you see His Will.

Secondly, the Laws in Leviticus 18 are the Laws of sexual abominations which people do, even today.

So they are only pointing out the sexual abominations a person must not do.

But if you want to see the laws barring polygamy they are contained in several parts of the Bible which I dropped in the threads I showed you. Eg Deuteronomy 17:17 do not multiply wives.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

Every argument that people like you could make was done there and in the end they did not stand because I showed them the Laws they must break to do polygamy.

Ezra 10:3
[3] Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to
put away all the wives, and such as are born of them (exactly what Abraham did when he made the mistake of taking wives after Sarah's death,) according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

MaxInDHouse:
He served the same God with Cain and Abel!

Jws and Half truths.
A half-truth is even more dangerous than a lie.

Cain did not serve God.

RealityKings1:
Moses had wives and not wife

First, not at the same time for his first wife left on her own and not that he went looking for a 2nd wife to add to her as you greedy people do

Then secondly, he got the permission of God Who saw why his first wife was leaving and unlike everyone else, He saw God directly, "friend to friend" style.

That is why your Catholic church is right in saying you need God to be present to get a divorce.

MaxInDHouse:
Moses was not a Christian!

Christianity started with Moses so you are Lying.

FreeSpirited:
You people are just talking off point...
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A woman has never been allowed to marry two men in the scriptures and in most secular culture...so how do u guys equate a man with two women which is scriptural and a woman with two men....such comparison is dumb....and it's false equivalence

Truly, on the face of it, he went off point.

However, his response is meant to address your aim of using marriage to perpetuate polygamy

For Who is The Ruler of Marriages? Is it God or you men?

If it is you men then you should not bother yourself about the Laws of fornication, and adultery etc for all these are God's Laws.

Therefore you can do as you like and if you have any problems you can go to your men's court for just is.

But if God is The One, then you have other Laws that are burning you right now eg Did you read that as God Judged Ananias so Judged He Sapphira?

Or did you not hear His Law is "An eye for an eye aka if you want an extra wife then your wife has a right to an extra husband?

So you can see when He is ready to punish you, one of Hid Judgements is that your wives shall marry their own husbands as you have done to them.

LordReed:
Changed what? Abeg they are calling you at the market square. LoLz.

See am. Madman no remember say na him dey dance for market as e don start to dey do hin usual Lie Lie since hin no get wetin hin won talk again. Lolz

You are not the first to think how you can commit sin and escape the punishment of God.

FreeSpirited:
In Old testament it was normal to marry two or more wives
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I have read the scriptures very well, and I have not found any convincing evidence both in new and old testament that marrying two wives legally is a sin.
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Modern Christians believe that after marrying one wife, if u add another one, then u have committed fornication/adultery. Now I have 2 questions
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I will love your answers with sound scriptural backing....and please read and understand the scenario I painted. Thank you

In the old, the whole world was full of paganism is why all over the world people practiced the adultery of marrying many wives, whether in Africa or Europe.

So, through Abraham, God started changing the world wide practices of paganism and polygamy.

Which is why you see Christianity came to cut down paganism.

FreeSpirited:
First question: What if after marrying the first wife, I saw a widow or a virgin, and I never slept with her until after I legally married her as second wife. How will that be term adultery or fornication?

Yes! It is adultery and intent to commit adultery for you are already married.

FreeSpirited:
Second question: What if when I wanted to marry my first wife, I instead engaged two women or two virgin, and they both agreed, and I never slept with either of them until after marriage ceremony was done for both of them same day. Is that fornication and how is it fornication/adultery

This is fornication, Whoredom and adultery using the cover of marriage.

You already see the hell that pours out when you have a girl and you went pursuing another one, so how is possible that they would agree?

It is only prostitutes aka whorres who will do that.

So you would be guilty of intent to commit whoredom, whoredom, intent to commit adultery and intent to use marriage to cover adultery, adultery and defiling of the marriage bed etc!

See people planning to deceive God like Ananias and Sapphira. Smh.

Truthseeker10:
Would it be right is we also say that the bible is false since it contains contradictions?

You are asking a Muslim if the bible is right?

It's like your madness has started

Or rather now you are showing that you are a Satan lover so you are trying to band with your fellow brothers, the lovers of Satan and the evil. Ehen. I knew you were a Satanist.

Auki:
Bible is combinations of Truth and lies

Ok I get it.

You mean it also reported those who Lied.

AbuTwins:
The Bible has many contradictions/errors and it is not new to those who are abreast of the development of the Biblical versions. Even many Bible scholars admitted it. The Jehovah witnesses too admitted it in September 1957 that the Bible then has over 50,000 errors!

According to you Devils called Muslims.

You just reminded me. Your brother in Satan, antichristian raised them up in his threads.

And all of them were quashed as he resorted to madness and blasphemies when he saw he had nothing reasonable to say again. It's all there in the threads

cornelboy:
So bowing down to ooni of ife or any other earthly king or personality means you're giving worship to them as God?..

Now you are behaving like Satan and being a serpent.

First, I pointed out that people bowed down and worshipped Him. 2 things they did

But here you are stretching and bowing down to Ooni and trying to twist it and pin it on me.

Whereas no where did I say bowing down means worshipping them.

So if you have no reasonable thing to say against the fact that Jesus Christ receive worship and bowing down even as a Baby? Mathew 2:11 and when He grew up, Mark 5:6 where all angels declined honour and rejected worship., then go in your shame and tell your Jw congregation that they are Liars and children of Satan.

https://www.nairaland.com/8348639/spoke-moses/3#134301182

cornelboy:
You don't see any problems?
There's only one true God we give exclusive worship to, the Father. He's the one true God for Christian. Cos humans are called God's or Jesus is called God doesn't mean we should worship them.

1 Corinthians 8:5,6
"...yet for us there is but one God, the Father, ..."

Did you not see Jesus Christ receive worship and bowing down even as a Baby? Mathew 2:11.

Or when He grew up, Mark 5:6.

Do you not see that the angels declined honour and rejected worship?

https://www.nairaland.com/8349419/hebrews-1-4-proves-jesus

Janosky:
Stop deceiving yourself and showcase your ignorance..

An angel is any Minister (human or spirit being) sent by Yahweh to perform an assignment.
Psalms 103:20&John 3:16 is the assignment Yahweh sent Jesus Christ to perform.
Your fellow Trinitarians devotees knows this truth.

LYING church goers deceiving themselves.
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See Lying JW has come to change the post using the Lies of half truth.

The topic is not define an Angel (and even at that, by your definition therefore, it means servants of men too are angels because they too are ministering spirits since man too is a spirit). Do you see how you people are Lying exactly how Satan Lied to female Adam?)

But right here, Hebrews 1:4 openly and undisputably declares that you people are Lying as you say Jesus is Angel.
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Addendum.

Jws are also Antichrists!

cornelboy:
So bowing down to ooni of ife or any other earthly king or personality means you're giving worship to them as God?..

Now you are behaving like Satan and being a serpent.

First, I pointed out that people bowed down and worshipped Him. 2 things they did

But here you are stretching and bowing down to Ooni and trying to twist it and pin it on me.

Whereas no where did I say bowing down means worshipping them.

So if you have no reasonable thing to say against the fact that Jesus Christ receive worship and bowing down even as a Baby? Mathew 2:11 and when He grew up, Mark 5:6 where all angels declined honour and rejected worship., then go in your shame and tell your Jw congregation that they are Liars and children of Satan.

cornelboy:
They paid homage to him. Nothing else

They didn't render worship to him as they did to God.

Worship In spirit and truth is not all about bowing down to someone.

Hope you get it?

You are still Lying.

When we visit new borns no one bows and worships them. We only pay homage

"Paying homage" means to show respect and honor to someone.

Whereas
"Bowing down and worshipping" means to physically lower oneself in a gesture of deep reverence and submission, often as a way to express devotion or respect towards a deity or higher power, signifying humility and surrender to something greater than oneself; Which people did to Jesus Christ, both as a baby and as a full grown man.

Meanwhile, Angels completely prevented people from worshipping them.

So, you are Lying exactly how Satan Lied to female Adam.

Another proof that you Jws are truly Antichrists!

Steep:
What are the contradictions? cc tctrills

It is for those who say it does to bring them.

But, they have all been dealt with in many many threads.

Truthseeker10:
Sorry about that....Tctrills, you are being asked to come and provide the "few contradictions" in the bible.

He should not be the one to provide them.

The case is for those who say it does, to provide them.

He is perfectly correct.

Of which what you do not know was he too said the same thing some years back.

TheDivineSpark:
I am not a Christian and although I recognise and acknowledge the wisdom contained in the Christian bible I do not hold it as my holy book.

Then what are you?

Birds of the same feather flock together.

See how the devils aka atheists are banding together trying to protect Madmax, clearly tells you that they know he is one of their own and that he belongs to Satan.

cornelboy:
So bowing down to ooni of ife or any other earthly king or personality means you're giving worship to them as God?..

Now you are behaving like Satan and being a serpent.

First, I pointed out that people bowed down and worshipped Him. 2 things they did

But here you are stretching and bowing down to Ooni and trying to twist it and pin it on me.

Whereas no where did I say bowing down means worshipping them.

So if you have no reasonable thing to say against the fact that Jesus Christ receive worship and bowing down even as a Baby? Mathew 2:11 and when He grew up, Mark 5:6 where all angels declined honour and rejected worship., then go in your shame and tell your Jw congregation that they are Liars and children of Satan.

Truthseeker10:
So we can rightly say that God did not know the day and time that Adam would sin against him before creating Adam?

Which "Did not know"?

1) Is it the "did not know" of He never could have known?

2) Or the did not know of He could have known but He chose not to know and respect their privacy?

The number 2) is the correct "did not know".

cornelboy:
Learn from the pharisees

They seem to "carry the law in head" yet they go against the law and do things contrary to the law.

Now did their actions mean that Judaism or the law is bad?

Check my previous threads, I have shared many post about Islam, but I don't do that anymore. I'm focused on teaching people the scriptures.

Now you have changed post to carrying the Law and all when no one mentioned any of these things.

And you have no thread stating directly that Islam is evil.

Let's just leave the issue.

TheDivineSpark:
First and foremost, nobody truly knows what GOD is. We can only speculate based on the knowledge and experiences gathered over the centuries. GOD is infinite and far beyond what ours minds can think of or imagine.

From information gathered across different spiritual paths, it is clear that the ego must be dropped along the way to God consciousness.

Various God-states have been achieved by humans in the physical body in several ways. Some have been described and put out in the public while some are taught in the mystery schools only accessible by those deemed worthy.

We can never truly be sure of the exact kinks behind the whole thing. It is a mystery that will continue to unfold.

Knowledge and experience gathered is no longer speculation.

Exactly as you are greater than your mannequin, so also must God be far greater than you.

And the op did not ask you to give a full and all encompassing definition or description of God. All that was required was to give a definition or description that puts Him in the correct place.

ANCESTORIAL8:
Can't say I fully understand you, but I'm sure I'd still read through and give a reply to this eventually.

Thank you for recognizing the spark of Divinity, it's challenging finding intelligent people as you these days.

Here's a question for you, is being GOD the only summation of the WHOLE (supreme consciousness) neglecting the EGO ( human identity of self) or the UNION of BOTH the COSMIC COLLECTIVE EXPERIENCE OF NOW, and the INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCE branched into various timelines ?

It's interesting that you started a thread and immediately after you have been replied you switched to asking questions.

Where you not sure when you first spoke?

For you to immediately start asking questions it means you already know that you do know what you say.

And Yes, universally the word "God" is for The Mighty Big Person Who created us and put in this His mighty big house that we call earth.

Your own is called "god" since you would like to be called one.

TheDivineSpark:
This is what happens when you achieve certain enlighten states without letting go of the ego.

@op as much as you are God-like in your true form, you are not God. What makes you think so is your ego. You are now playing the game at a higher level with a stronger form of illusion that the ordinary mind cannot possibly comprehend.

Lessons will be learnt.

A polite way of saying he is Mad. Why not just say it directly and get over it?

ANCESTORIAL8:
Let's cut to the chase and not waste anybody's time here.

I recently found out that I AM GOD, the OBSERVER beyond the veil, the summation of all things...

You found out that you are God is clear proof you are not.

For where you dey since way you no know say you be God?

Clearly, you don dey mad and you dey follow mad people Waka.

LordReed:
I didn't mention anything about going home, that was you. Clearly showing you've lost your already addled mind.

You changed post and tried reversing a fact. That is a clear indication of a person of an unsound and very crooked mind.