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LordReed:
I dread it too but is ending bad? We read books we wish didn't end but that isn't bad is it?

Really? i don't think there is a good book which reasonable people did not wish for it to end because the end is the koko like having sex and finishing with a deep and satisfying orgasm.

No one is happy when they are left hanging!

Everyday247:
I did not say that Life is boring, I said if you lived very long (like over 150 years) life would start to get boring. I even gave an analogy using fried rice and chicken, if you ate fried rice and chicken everyday for like 2 years plus, you'd get bored of it.
Also the absence/opposite of something makes you treasure that thing there by giving it meaning. For example, if humans were immortal and ageless we wouldn't treasure life because we would have excess of it. But because life has an end and we can die anytime due to accidents/illnesses, it makes us treasure our lives.

This is not True. Life's waning from 70's upwards is soley based soley on the Curse and Commadment of death levied upon man by His Maker. So the boredom and tastelessnes of life is as a result of man's shut down.

Thus, as our fore fathers have shown us through their long lives where they still went farming and dancing even at 100plus, when our Maker gave man life longer than 150years, a 150yrs old man was still as vibrant with the zest for life as a 25 year old man.

So the boredom you are drawing is as a result of shut down if not we would still be looking forward to fried rice when we are 1025years as we did when we started eating it at 3 years.

LordReed:
So basically ending a bad thing is good and ending a good thing is bad?

C'mon don't pretend like you did not understand what I said. No where did i say ending a bad thing is good and ending a good thing is bad.

Lucifyre:
The thing is how can you give an answer to an equation that's not complete. We only have one side of the equation which is what comes before death. Given the knowledge of this part of the equation, we could attempt to paint a picture through the context of our individual lives but imo, it'll not be complete without the other side of the equation which is what comes after...

I know you are a mad person and you will insalt me because i make you show the world how very foolish you atheists are but i will address any seemingly reasonable thing i see you saying.

No equation is ever complete. They all stop where the maker of it chooses to stop it. And that is why we have short equations and long equations.

And whether short or long, mathematicians solved them.

Aaronsrod:
You believe this our new world will resemble Nigeria?

How then shall we be as Nigerians in Heaven?

Nigeria was good and very good before the people made it bad, so that is not the problem.

hakeem4:
i personally think death is good, Because you have enjoyed from the life cycle and when you die you should be buried back so you can give back to the earth.

but i think death is amoral. Majority of us view death as neither inherently good nor bad. From a purely naturalistic or biological perspective, death is a fundamental part of the life cycle. It happens to all living things and is not judged by moral standards. In this sense, death just is, and moral judgments about it arise only in relation to how it occurs or what causes it.

i hope i answered your question

Nature through Sex and food prove that if we have enjoyed a thing, we want to keep enjoying it, so you are talking rubbish here, sorry.

Everyday247:
Whether death is good or not depends on the situation. The definition of good also varies depending on situation.
Personally, i think that if you've lived your life to the fullest, then death is just an eternal rest/retirement.
Death is very useful because life will eventually get boring. Anything that you do too much will always eventually get boring. If you ate fried rice and chicken everyday for a long period of time it will eventually get boring.
Just as light without darkness is meaningless, beauty without uglyness is meaningless, good without evil is meaningless, richness without poverty is meaningless, intelligence without stupidity is meaningless, joy without sadness is meaningless, work without play is meaningless, so therefore LIFE without DEATH is meaningless.
The opposite of something Helps us to appreciate that thing better.

Wrong!

Timubu is living life to the full like Queen Eliza, surely he does not want to die. So life isn't boring and as developed countries have shown, light without nepa taking light is not meaningless.

EnlightenedUFO:
I believe what you think is good or bad is subjective to your belief.

There's no absolute way to clarify what death can be. People die horrific cruel deaths and some people call it a bad death, and some die in their old age, sitting on the beach or having a cookout while their grandkids are playing in the background, and that some people will call a good death.

But I don't think a death is either good or bad. It's just an inevitable stage of life we will all pass through.

Everything is either good or bad. So if death is good for you, then it is. but if it is bad for you, so it is also.

Aaronsrod:
When we make Heaven it shall be heaven indeed.

We shall worship forever and live in our True Forms forever and ever!

Who told you our present form was not our true form?

The bible says that we are getting a new form in line with the new world accoming.

adeniyi65:
Don't just try to apply that barbaric act of those era to the present moment to judge slavery.because if I'm to be frank with you, you can face law because of the later things you wrote to justify slavery. People flogging people at work, teachers flogging children. Soldiers beating themselves. Don't just try to practice it as you advocate for it to justify slavery.

That is what we are reminding you that since Genesis 6, you men have always been very wicked, barbaric and evil,

And as people have confessed, you people have been more wickeder than the last generation.

So today that you even have a mouth to face law and have many things enough for you to call the past barbaric, is because of God's intervention., so you have nothing here.

adeniyi65:
Abandoning those verses that clearly support slavery to suit their ideology. Especially the one that teaches how you can multiply your slaves 4 "If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free. wow,
more slaves more power to the master.

See how you are just changing post from one issue to another exactly how Liars are always changing their stories, all because you have a very evil mind and therefore you can not see nor appreciate the goodness of God and His Laws

Does ordinary common sense not tell you that this means that the servant and Master relationship was so good to the point the servant has become like a son to the master such that the master even gave him a wife, most likely one of his daughters?

In your natural life have you seen a Master giving a wife to his servant?

is it not with even plenty of sneaking out and abeg that a servant can marry?

So where can you find a Master who even gave his servant a wife?
Answer:Only in a great master servant relationship where the servant has even become like a son and family and this Law is definitely stopping the wickedness the servant will do in getting all these geeat things from his Master who sees him as his child and family yet he decided to walk away.

If you did all these to an employee eg train train him, sent him abroad, gave him above bormal privileges and you even wished he could marry you daughter, whch he did. After all these he still resigned, would you not call the employee a wicked ungrateful person? And would youlet him take all the benefits and gifts you gave him? No. you wouldn't

And that is what this Law Says.

So rest, you are thinking and talking rubbish because you are too too evil and therefore you can never see the good nor God!

LordReed:
Good is how we define certain states of our being , events that happen to us and/or actions we take which we find very agreeable.

Death, I think defies our conventional view of what is good or bad because it cannot fit into how we see either. Especially since it is a state in which we cannot send or receive reports on the state of our being or of events or of actions. It's a state in which there is neither agreement or disagreement. As living beings looking at death we are befuddled just by how inscrutible it seems.

We find many things agreeable but they do not mean that they are good eg rent, paying for licenses and very many unnatural things that have been forced upon us.

So what is good? Good is that which is good as proven by the smile/joy such thing or act delivers to a person and persons.

Good is a personal experience but the fact that a thing or action is truly and fully good is confirmed by the abundance and collation of persons and members of a community who reconfirm that they too experienced that that which is said to be good, is good.

So, to the question, is death good thing?

Looking at its origin as disclosed by the Bible, prima facie, death is bad because it was a cessation of something good like when a sweet party was going on and then suddenly armed beasts called army or kidnappers come to stop it.

However, if a you were a slave tortured daily, or a person having a misery full living as many have confessed death appears to be a good thing.

But the badness of death is again reconfirmed by the fact that those with misery full living still do not easily and readilly throw themselves into its mouth.

Meanwhile, we have also seen certain people who have expressed a strong willingness to die and they did jump into the waiting mouth of death, so to them, it is a good thing

So i submit. death is about 90% bad and 10% good.

Here we see the first country Denmark, which followed God and the bible to abolish slavery, when they became Christian.

Wikipedia
...Swedish archaeology shows that mostly male slaves were killed to follow their master into the afterlife (just as Africa did) and not females. Sacrificed female slaves have however been found sacrificed in Norway, where a woman found in the grave showed signs of having her throat slit in a similar manner to the execution described by Ibn Fadlan.[13][14]

During the 11th century, the Viking nations of Denmark, Norway and Sweden became Christian, which made it impossible for them to continue to conduct slave raids toward Christian Europe and sell Christian Europeans to Islamic slave traders.

Thereby proving that slavery began to be stopped because of God, the Bible and Christianity!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.virgin-islands-history.org/en/history/slavery/a-slaves-life-when-people-were-property/&ved=2ahUKEwjZj82swuSIAxV3YEEAHR79JQMQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2wUtci8qtCVdqfAGUo0HqM

The Danish West-Indies
- Sources of history

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A slave’s life – when people were property
The concept that all human beings are born with fundamental rights was not prevalent in the 1700s. If you were born at the bottom of society, you lived a life in poverty and with hard work and toil. Other people could be owned just like goods and money. This was a view of humanity that made life hard for servants all over the world – and not least for the enslaved laborers that worked under inhuman conditions in colonies in Africa, Asia, and America

The British slave trade opponents’ campaign logo shows a kneeling enslaved laborer in chains who asks: ”Am I not a Man and a Brother”

A slave’s life
Upon reaching the colonies, life did not really improve. The first generation of enslaved laborers did not speak a language that the Europeans understood and were thus unable to protest when they were sold as goods. After that, they were not considered as people with a will of their own, but merely as other people’s property. Ownership in this sense was as absolute as for goods or money. Enslaved individuals could be sold, pawned, and rented out.

Servants worldwide
The hard and backbreaking work – many hours and every day – the enslaved laborers had in common with servants in large parts of the world in the 1600s and 1700s. It was a life characterized by illness and infant mortality. But the enslavement applied to all aspects of his or her life. Many slave owners considered it their right to rape the female enslaved. Children of enslaved could be sold to other plantations, thereby separating children from their parents.

The right to punish
Slave owners also had the right to punish their enslaved laborers – and any enslaved who broke the rules was severely punished. According to regulations from September 5, 1733 by Governor Philip Gardelin, enslaved laborers who committed grand larceny or who encouraged others to escape, for example, were to be pinched three times with red-hot iron tongs and then hanged. If you tried to run away, you were to have your leg amputated or – if your master forgave you – get 150 lashes and lose one ear.

quote author=adeniyi65 post=132170068] SIRTee15
That Exodus21 is interesting. It's the chapter that gives power to slave owners on most barbaric act in slavery, which says slave masters can beat the h*ll out of their slaves as long as they dont die because they (slaves) are their properties. What is more gruesome than that. If you have refused to be logical, will you be happy if me and you are to go back into those days and I have your children as my slaves, will you be happy if I beat sh_i_t out of them because God allowed me to do so as long as I don't kill them for you? Don't be primitive in the name of religion bro.[/quote]SIRTee15 post=132179326
I hope know as late as late as early 20th century, it's common practice for employers to flog their workers as part of punishment for wrongdoing. We are not so far removed from the time when physical punishment was administered and accepted by almost everyone as legitimate.
For example, physical chastisements were commonly employed as punishment for crimes committed and for the enforcing of discipline in the military even up till today. Generals flog junior officers as part of punishment in barracks. Even in NYSC camps, soldiers flog graduates as part of punishment; the more u protest the flogging, the more they wack u with koboko until u become humble. Teachers continue to flog stubborn and disobedient students in schools up till today.
In Nigeria, apprentice are flogged regularly if they displease their Masters and it's considered part of the training. Go to factories in Lagos, Lebanese and Chinese boss beats their employee on regular basis for minor things as coming late to work.

Foreign countries are not exempted. In the British Navy, flogging for disobedience or insubordination was common until the mid-19th century, and caning was used until the mid-20th century. In Singapore, flogging is still an official form of punishment for certain crimes such as spitting in public.

I dont really understand this your yapping about flogging. U better thank God the privilege u have that you or your children will not go thru flogging in the hands of an employer in this modern time. People get flogged every day all in a bid to put food on the table for their families.

This your noise about a master beating his slaves in ancient times makes no sense, even workers gets flogged in this modern age.

StillDtruth already explained the verse is about God instituting labour laws to ensure abuse is curtailed and excessiveness is punished.

Besides if u beat your slaves into permanent injury, who will then work the field. Is that not a loss to the master himself.

abeg this one na no be talk, na wokeness and trying to sound politically correct they worry u. Live in the real world man.

Flowing from the arguments made for and against the bible on slavery in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8219329/god-ordains-slavery/4#132173356, clearly it is seen that God through the bible was the First to lay down Laws condemning many many evils including slavery.

KnownUnknown:
Why are you giving yourself agita?
The Bible was used to justify slavery and was also used to oppose slavery. There is probably more support for slavery in the book than opposition to it. There’s nothing to argue about unless you are the type of Christian who bends over backwards to deny the obvious. Even then your claims can be disregarded.

The question is the justification valid?

And the answer is "NO".

Because slavery is intertwined with Employment and Labour which are Lawfull and Necessary therefore leaving the only reasonable option of pursuing and prosecuting those who are in violation of human rights and Labour Rights and Contract.

So in the end all who say the bible permitted slavery speak foolishly and ignorantly.

For the bible was the First to lay down all the just laws we know today and the bedrock of all just and good Laws eg Human Rights, Criminal Law and Procedure, Rules of War, Labour Rights, Contract, Family Law, Succession and Inheritance, Equity, etc

No community or nation at that time openly and publicly condemned any of these evils via Law only God through the bible

meobizy:
He’s right. Lies are Satan’s deadliest weapon. The painful part is so-called deeply religious Christians lie without remorse. If their god exists, their “reward” is in the afterlife.

Wrong!

Lies is the most used weapon but sex is the most deadliest weapon.

Lucifyre:
😅 Not only 'insalt', what about inpepper and inonion? Calling you a grade A m0ron is a compliment.

Says the illiterate universal Fool having nothing but insalts to say.

PulsingPurple:
Sometimes I'm tempted to keep on arguing on this forum.

I love logical reasonings, you didn't make a logical point.

Perhaps, if you had a little knowledge on ants, you'd understand how they work. But here's Google.

It is clear that Muslims are mad people. When you look at ants at work do you see them being coordinated and ruled like we have supervisors and sub supervisors? No

But who can mad a mad Muslim see and understand?

Ah! God should come and punish all His enemies!

jaephoenix:
Blah blah blah
See a shrink!

Clearly, you had nothing to say Mad Fool!

Lucifyre:
Resident m.oron. Are u done suckling on you mother's saggy tits?! So daft not to even realise the silent treatment, spelling u a fool.

When a Fool is answered and he sees he is a fool, we all know that the fool will resort to insalts and abuses.

SIRTee15:
Moreover exodus 21.26 talks about the penalty for inflicting permanent injury on a slave.

If a slave suffers permanent injury due to excessive beating or any physical abuse, the slave must go free.
Even if it's a minor thing like knocking off one of his tooth, the slave MUST BE RELEASED AND BE FREE- HE SHOULD NO LONGER BE A SLAVE.
That's the compensation for the victim.

So as StillDtruth already emphasized, God instituted labour laws to ensure abuse of slaves is heavily discouraged.

U can't beat a slave to death neither can U beat him in a manner to leave a permanent injury.

Exodus 21
26 “An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

Moreover, if U read the book of Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy without prejudice, U will notice the labour laws instituted by God made it very difficult for people to own slaves for life except if the slave choose to.

Lands bought must be returned back to the original owner in the year of jubilee making excessive acquisition of land and increasing demand for free labour impractical.

There are Sabbath years for lands where U don't do anything on the land, what then would U need slaves for?

Slaves have the right of redemption, they should be released by the 7th year of slavery or the year of jubilee. Relatives can also buy them out of their status at anytime.

Owners must treat slaves like they are hired workers. The only difference is that they are not paid any wages. That means slaves must not be treated like slaves as we understand it today.

Owners must also compensate freed slaves with few
possessions when they leave. Freed slaves must not leave their master's household empty handed.

Foreign slaves who turn to YHWH and embrace the covenant God established with Israel automatically gets treated with above privileges because the God commanded strangers dwelling amongst Israelites should be treated fairly according to the mosaic law.

If U are sincere, U will admit all these labour laws instituted by God makes it uneconomical to keep slaves except if really necessary. I can as well get hired workers to do the job since labour was cheap in those days, rather than having someone I'm feeding yet burdened with all the above responsibilities.

Finally to the argument, why did God not just ban slavery or say it's wrong.
This argument lies in the poor understanding of the Hebrew word for slavery as used in the bible and how the welfare system work in ancient civilization.
I will explain on that later.

Precisely!

Its all there in Black and White and God was the first to stop Slavery in all the world we all see the first antislavery Pronunciations by man only began in the 1770's whereas God had long since abolished slavery, but devils and self blinded atheists pretend not to see it

jaephoenix:
This guy. How long would you continue to play the ostrich?

Says the Mad person who went Mad when he saw he has no reasonable thing to say. And still does not have any reasonable thing to say.

So you are obviously mad and just want to hear the stupid sound of your voice.

jaephoenix:
Obviously you dont haven't interfaced DTruthSpeaker before. He's the sane as StillDtruth, Veecruz, truespeak etc. He doesn't care about facts or logic. He just spouts whatever he wants, wear you out and claim victory at the end: a psychotic

Obviously your none sanity has begun for clearly this thread already shows every argument made and the clear fact that you went Mad when you saw you had no reasonable thing to say.

SIRTee15:
Whatever terminology U want to use, the word slavery is very much visible in the laws Moses gave to Israelites. We can't deny it. ....

What I am pointing out for you to go and check is for you to appreciate that even before. Jacob (Isreal) was a born, slavery was a business practiced all over the world just like prostitution and polygamy.

So Exodus was the First Law attacking slavery and other evis which the whole world did and regulating Labour and Contractual relationships.

Which is why as an example, it is after Exodus that monogamous marriage began to be on the rise just as agitations against slavery and unjust contracts and wicked labour/employment relations began to be quelled and attacked all over the world. eg The Factory Acts (first one in 1802, then 1833) and the 1823 Master and Servant Act

On March 16, 1792, Denmark became the first country to issue a decree to abolish their transatlantic slave trade from the start of 1803.

So, you see God through Moses in Exodus was the first to attack this world full of wicked people who inslaved others.

adeniyi65:
It's like you didn't read my quote that he quoted. If you can't read the whole of Exodus21, at least read the last two verses the reason why they where destroyed is there. If you say it is because of slave trade. What if another person says it's because they do other legal business. Don't let us continue repeating same thing on that. It is clear as snow, read the last two verses.

My comment was not on Exodus 21 but a response to what Unknown said, which was not on Exodus 21 either.

And Exodus 21 is about stopping the evils which come out from some hunan activities which are not evil per se but can become evil when an evil person does it.

This is where you see examples of crimes that are mala prohibitia compared to those crimes which are clearly evil (mala in se)

You think all crimes eg stealing, fornication, murder, adultery etc exist only in mala in se

But you do not appreciate that there are crimes and evil which originate out of a lawful activity eg slavery arising out of employment like banks not paying those who work for them (employees) by calling them contract staff, all because of there are more workers than jobs. This is a crime under mala prohibtia

adeniyi65:
You guys have been blindfolded from reasoning outside Bible. That's the fact.

This thread shows we have all reasoned it out and that you people now see that slavery is intertwined with employment and Labour which you need, so you have nothing.

SIRTee15:
I hope know as late as late as early 20th century, it's common practice for employers to flog their workers as part of punishment for wrongdoing. We are not so far removed from the time when physical punishment was administered and accepted by almost everyone as legitimate.
For example, physical chastisements were commonly employed as punishment for crimes committed and for the enforcing of discipline in the military even up till today. Generals flog junior officers as part of punishment in barracks. Even in NYSC camps, soldiers flog graduates as part of punishment; the more u protest the flogging, the more they wack u with koboko until u become humble. Teachers continue to flog stubborn and disobedient students in schools up till today.
In Nigeria, apprentice are flogged regularly if they displease their Masters and it's considered part of the training. Go to factories in Lagos, Lebanese and Chinese boss beats their employee on regular basis for minor things as coming late to work.

Foreign countries are not exempted. In the British Navy, flogging for disobedience or insubordination was common until the mid-19th century, and caning was used until the mid-20th century. In Singapore, flogging is still an official form of punishment for certain crimes such as spitting in public.

I dont really understand this your yapping about flogging. U better thank God the privilege u have that you or your children will not go thru flogging in the hands of an employer in this modern time. People get flogged every day all in a bid to put food on the table for their families.

This your noise about a master beating his slaves in ancient times makes no sense, even workers gets flogged in this modern age.

StillDtruth already explained the verse is about God instituting labour laws to ensure abuse is curtailed and excessiveness is punished.
Besides if u beat your slaves into permanent injury, who will then work the field. Is that not a loss to the master himself.

abeg this one na no be talk, na wokeness and trying to sound politically correct they worry u. Live in the real world man.

Precisely!

KnownUnknown:
Why are you giving yourself agita?
The Bible was used to justify slavery and was also used to oppose slavery. There is probably more support for slavery in the book than opposition to it. There’s nothing to argue about unless you are the type of Christian who bends over backwards to deny the obvious. Even then your claims can be disregarded.

The question is the justification valid?

And the answer is "NO".

Because slavery is intertwined with Employment and Labour which are Lawfull and Necessary therefore leaving the only reasonable option of pursuing and prosecuting those who are in violation of human rights and Labour Rights and Contract.

So in the end all who say the bible permitted slavery speak foolishly and ignorantly.

SIRTee15:
Slavery was very much established in the constitution given to Israelites and very much rampant during early Christian ministry- almost 20% of the Roman population were slaves.
The question we should ask is why was it acceptable then and not now.
I will explain later.

Slavery is not in the bible (constitution of Isreal) it is Human Rights, Law of war, Labour Law, Law of Contract etc that is there.

That is why everyone is attacking you because you are not perfectly right.

jaephoenix:
Very apt explanations
Sirtee15 is dishonest in removing the context of that passage. That's his modus operandi

The point is that they practiced slave trade in addition to the usual trade which is normally what evil people do and they were destroyed by God for all their evils including slave trading.

So, its a point and that is why the bible told us.

Lucifyre:
Deut 20 is what?! Petting them as kings abi😃 All the people they destroyed their city and took them hostage are what. On a side how did they ever find out which women were virgins to take for spoils, if not true sexual assault, not even considering the rape. Abegi

Deuteronomy 20 is The Law of Just War, every reasonable person knows that but of course devils like you would rather have a people defenceless but that they should lie down and be inslaved, raped and plundered where you would still say tha how can God do nothing and yet His people are being killed and inslaved.

So, this is a case of if God did nothing, you would abuse Him and now He did something and inpowered His people to destroy enemies and yet again you devils still speak rubbish.

So, clearly its better His people keep pounding enemies like they are doing to palestine Hamas, till God Comes to finish this world, while you make stupid noises till your own destruction comes.

jaephoenix:
Blah blah blah
See a shrink!

Says the Mad person!