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Flowing from the arguments made for and against the bible on slavery in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8219329/god-ordains-slavery/4#132173356, clearly it is seen that God through the bible was the First to lay down Laws condemning many many evils including slavery.

KnownUnknown:
Why are you giving yourself agita?
The Bible was used to justify slavery and was also used to oppose slavery. There is probably more support for slavery in the book than opposition to it. There’s nothing to argue about unless you are the type of Christian who bends over backwards to deny the obvious. Even then your claims can be disregarded.

The question is the justification valid?

And the answer is "NO".

Because slavery is intertwined with Employment and Labour which are Lawfull and Necessary therefore leaving the only reasonable option of pursuing and prosecuting those who are in violation of human rights and Labour Rights and Contract.

So in the end all who say the bible permitted slavery speak foolishly and ignorantly.

For the bible was the First to lay down all the just laws we know today and the bedrock of all just and good Laws eg Human Rights, Criminal Law and Procedure, Rules of War, Labour Rights, Contract, Family Law, Succession and Inheritance, Equity, etc

No community or nation at that time openly and publicly condemned any of these evils via Law only God through the bible

meobizy:
He’s right. Lies are Satan’s deadliest weapon. The painful part is so-called deeply religious Christians lie without remorse. If their god exists, their “reward” is in the afterlife.

Wrong!

Lies is the most used weapon but sex is the most deadliest weapon.

Lucifyre:
😅 Not only 'insalt', what about inpepper and inonion? Calling you a grade A m0ron is a compliment.

Says the illiterate universal Fool having nothing but insalts to say.

PulsingPurple:
Sometimes I'm tempted to keep on arguing on this forum.

I love logical reasonings, you didn't make a logical point.

Perhaps, if you had a little knowledge on ants, you'd understand how they work. But here's Google.

It is clear that Muslims are mad people. When you look at ants at work do you see them being coordinated and ruled like we have supervisors and sub supervisors? No

But who can mad a mad Muslim see and understand?

Ah! God should come and punish all His enemies!

jaephoenix:
Blah blah blah
See a shrink!

Clearly, you had nothing to say Mad Fool!

Lucifyre:
Resident m.oron. Are u done suckling on you mother's saggy tits?! So daft not to even realise the silent treatment, spelling u a fool.

When a Fool is answered and he sees he is a fool, we all know that the fool will resort to insalts and abuses.

SIRTee15:
Moreover exodus 21.26 talks about the penalty for inflicting permanent injury on a slave.

If a slave suffers permanent injury due to excessive beating or any physical abuse, the slave must go free.
Even if it's a minor thing like knocking off one of his tooth, the slave MUST BE RELEASED AND BE FREE- HE SHOULD NO LONGER BE A SLAVE.
That's the compensation for the victim.

So as StillDtruth already emphasized, God instituted labour laws to ensure abuse of slaves is heavily discouraged.

U can't beat a slave to death neither can U beat him in a manner to leave a permanent injury.

Exodus 21
26 “An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

Moreover, if U read the book of Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy without prejudice, U will notice the labour laws instituted by God made it very difficult for people to own slaves for life except if the slave choose to.

Lands bought must be returned back to the original owner in the year of jubilee making excessive acquisition of land and increasing demand for free labour impractical.

There are Sabbath years for lands where U don't do anything on the land, what then would U need slaves for?

Slaves have the right of redemption, they should be released by the 7th year of slavery or the year of jubilee. Relatives can also buy them out of their status at anytime.

Owners must treat slaves like they are hired workers. The only difference is that they are not paid any wages. That means slaves must not be treated like slaves as we understand it today.

Owners must also compensate freed slaves with few
possessions when they leave. Freed slaves must not leave their master's household empty handed.

Foreign slaves who turn to YHWH and embrace the covenant God established with Israel automatically gets treated with above privileges because the God commanded strangers dwelling amongst Israelites should be treated fairly according to the mosaic law.

If U are sincere, U will admit all these labour laws instituted by God makes it uneconomical to keep slaves except if really necessary. I can as well get hired workers to do the job since labour was cheap in those days, rather than having someone I'm feeding yet burdened with all the above responsibilities.

Finally to the argument, why did God not just ban slavery or say it's wrong.
This argument lies in the poor understanding of the Hebrew word for slavery as used in the bible and how the welfare system work in ancient civilization.
I will explain on that later.

Precisely!

Its all there in Black and White and God was the first to stop Slavery in all the world we all see the first antislavery Pronunciations by man only began in the 1770's whereas God had long since abolished slavery, but devils and self blinded atheists pretend not to see it

jaephoenix:
This guy. How long would you continue to play the ostrich?

Says the Mad person who went Mad when he saw he has no reasonable thing to say. And still does not have any reasonable thing to say.

So you are obviously mad and just want to hear the stupid sound of your voice.

jaephoenix:
Obviously you dont haven't interfaced DTruthSpeaker before. He's the sane as StillDtruth, Veecruz, truespeak etc. He doesn't care about facts or logic. He just spouts whatever he wants, wear you out and claim victory at the end: a psychotic

Obviously your none sanity has begun for clearly this thread already shows every argument made and the clear fact that you went Mad when you saw you had no reasonable thing to say.

SIRTee15:
Whatever terminology U want to use, the word slavery is very much visible in the laws Moses gave to Israelites. We can't deny it. ....

What I am pointing out for you to go and check is for you to appreciate that even before. Jacob (Isreal) was a born, slavery was a business practiced all over the world just like prostitution and polygamy.

So Exodus was the First Law attacking slavery and other evis which the whole world did and regulating Labour and Contractual relationships.

Which is why as an example, it is after Exodus that monogamous marriage began to be on the rise just as agitations against slavery and unjust contracts and wicked labour/employment relations began to be quelled and attacked all over the world. eg The Factory Acts (first one in 1802, then 1833) and the 1823 Master and Servant Act

On March 16, 1792, Denmark became the first country to issue a decree to abolish their transatlantic slave trade from the start of 1803.

So, you see God through Moses in Exodus was the first to attack this world full of wicked people who inslaved others.

adeniyi65:
It's like you didn't read my quote that he quoted. If you can't read the whole of Exodus21, at least read the last two verses the reason why they where destroyed is there. If you say it is because of slave trade. What if another person says it's because they do other legal business. Don't let us continue repeating same thing on that. It is clear as snow, read the last two verses.

My comment was not on Exodus 21 but a response to what Unknown said, which was not on Exodus 21 either.

And Exodus 21 is about stopping the evils which come out from some hunan activities which are not evil per se but can become evil when an evil person does it.

This is where you see examples of crimes that are mala prohibitia compared to those crimes which are clearly evil (mala in se)

You think all crimes eg stealing, fornication, murder, adultery etc exist only in mala in se

But you do not appreciate that there are crimes and evil which originate out of a lawful activity eg slavery arising out of employment like banks not paying those who work for them (employees) by calling them contract staff, all because of there are more workers than jobs. This is a crime under mala prohibtia

adeniyi65:
You guys have been blindfolded from reasoning outside Bible. That's the fact.

This thread shows we have all reasoned it out and that you people now see that slavery is intertwined with employment and Labour which you need, so you have nothing.

SIRTee15:
I hope know as late as late as early 20th century, it's common practice for employers to flog their workers as part of punishment for wrongdoing. We are not so far removed from the time when physical punishment was administered and accepted by almost everyone as legitimate.
For example, physical chastisements were commonly employed as punishment for crimes committed and for the enforcing of discipline in the military even up till today. Generals flog junior officers as part of punishment in barracks. Even in NYSC camps, soldiers flog graduates as part of punishment; the more u protest the flogging, the more they wack u with koboko until u become humble. Teachers continue to flog stubborn and disobedient students in schools up till today.
In Nigeria, apprentice are flogged regularly if they displease their Masters and it's considered part of the training. Go to factories in Lagos, Lebanese and Chinese boss beats their employee on regular basis for minor things as coming late to work.

Foreign countries are not exempted. In the British Navy, flogging for disobedience or insubordination was common until the mid-19th century, and caning was used until the mid-20th century. In Singapore, flogging is still an official form of punishment for certain crimes such as spitting in public.

I dont really understand this your yapping about flogging. U better thank God the privilege u have that you or your children will not go thru flogging in the hands of an employer in this modern time. People get flogged every day all in a bid to put food on the table for their families.

This your noise about a master beating his slaves in ancient times makes no sense, even workers gets flogged in this modern age.

StillDtruth already explained the verse is about God instituting labour laws to ensure abuse is curtailed and excessiveness is punished.
Besides if u beat your slaves into permanent injury, who will then work the field. Is that not a loss to the master himself.

abeg this one na no be talk, na wokeness and trying to sound politically correct they worry u. Live in the real world man.

Precisely!

KnownUnknown:
Why are you giving yourself agita?
The Bible was used to justify slavery and was also used to oppose slavery. There is probably more support for slavery in the book than opposition to it. There’s nothing to argue about unless you are the type of Christian who bends over backwards to deny the obvious. Even then your claims can be disregarded.

The question is the justification valid?

And the answer is "NO".

Because slavery is intertwined with Employment and Labour which are Lawfull and Necessary therefore leaving the only reasonable option of pursuing and prosecuting those who are in violation of human rights and Labour Rights and Contract.

So in the end all who say the bible permitted slavery speak foolishly and ignorantly.

SIRTee15:
Slavery was very much established in the constitution given to Israelites and very much rampant during early Christian ministry- almost 20% of the Roman population were slaves.
The question we should ask is why was it acceptable then and not now.
I will explain later.

Slavery is not in the bible (constitution of Isreal) it is Human Rights, Law of war, Labour Law, Law of Contract etc that is there.

That is why everyone is attacking you because you are not perfectly right.

jaephoenix:
Very apt explanations
Sirtee15 is dishonest in removing the context of that passage. That's his modus operandi

The point is that they practiced slave trade in addition to the usual trade which is normally what evil people do and they were destroyed by God for all their evils including slave trading.

So, its a point and that is why the bible told us.

Lucifyre:
Deut 20 is what?! Petting them as kings abi😃 All the people they destroyed their city and took them hostage are what. On a side how did they ever find out which women were virgins to take for spoils, if not true sexual assault, not even considering the rape. Abegi

Deuteronomy 20 is The Law of Just War, every reasonable person knows that but of course devils like you would rather have a people defenceless but that they should lie down and be inslaved, raped and plundered where you would still say tha how can God do nothing and yet His people are being killed and inslaved.

So, this is a case of if God did nothing, you would abuse Him and now He did something and inpowered His people to destroy enemies and yet again you devils still speak rubbish.

So, clearly its better His people keep pounding enemies like they are doing to palestine Hamas, till God Comes to finish this world, while you make stupid noises till your own destruction comes.

jaephoenix:
Blah blah blah
See a shrink!

Says the Mad person!

jaephoenix:
Really? So Yahweh allowed the devil, his own creation to lie in his book, thereby deceiving his people?
By the way, how do you know the lies and the truthful bibles, since there is no standard to compare to?
You see

I believe this is your madness talking for i clearly those bibles are clearly written by devils which every normal and reasonable person knows that it means devils rewrote the bible according to their evil minds but a expectedly a mad person like you will definitely not understand what reasonable people know.

jaephoenix:
So Yahweh established labor laws for people that have been kidnapped and made to work against their will?
You keep twisting and turning to escape the truth

See proof you are mad! See how you are just desperately repeating yourself and twisting like a mad person because you see you do not have any reasonable thing to say again..

adeniyi65:
It's fact that civilization ..s. As God has given law to guide slavery that is inherence of man, God supposed have given laws to guide other inherence sins of man as well instead of outrightly stopping them(e g fornication). .

The topic is Labour/slavery and you have admitted that Labour is a neccessity and because of Labour, slavery is carried out by wicked people, so this topic is settled.

For the other things you complain about, threads have been raised addressing them and every reasonable person can see that they are entirely disposable and life will be very good eg on fornication, people today would not be having the fear that they are marrying whorres and whorechasers.

KnownUnknown:
Bla bla bla.

Exactly the unreasonable thing you are saying.

RoiNews2:
Does this mean Islamic religion was also ordrained by God, and God also made reference to it in the Christian Bible? Well, see she the bible talked about the emergence of Islam. ..

It is Islam who said they came from Ishmael.

KnownUnknown:
Christians and Jews (inherently duplicitous) are so delusional. They can see all the atrocities in Islam and can open their cunt mouths to criticize people like Boko Haram; BUT, the bloodthirst and madness in their religion.
They will rightly criticize Boko Haram, but when the same behavior is pointed out in their scriptures, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the same behavior.

If one isn’t delusional and read some of those so called scriptures, one would realize that the Hebrew god is a repulsive creature created by greedy people, Moses would be called a terrorist, and Jesus would not be viewed as nothing more than a cult leading charlatan.

It is you who is so evil that of course every Judgment against evil people like you makes you shout out in pain and frustration like a thief on the day He is Caught red handed for you thought you were too smart and had escaped with your crimes.

Which reasonable person cannot see that a good Ruler must be an enemy of evil and is a Just Judge who must give damages to a complainant?

Only atheists do not appreciate Law, Just is and.Judgment.

jaephoenix:
Wtf are you talking about? Looks like your psychosis has kicked in again
You mumble rubbish when a case against you is bad, in a bid to slip off. I can see through your bullshit, psycho

Clearly you are describing what is happening to you because you have nothing reasonable to say after my response and you just reporting that you have gone mad because you see you have nothing to valid to say on this issue at all.

And the bottomline is that we see God establishing Labour Laws because man needs Labour as a factor of production, contract and employment.

jaephoenix:
You keep on alluding that versions of the Bible is written by the devil. This is not the first time you're making this claim. I'm sure you don't know the implications of that narrative

Of course. It is from an evil mind that wicked perversions come from.

And of course devils love changing Truths into a Lie, so.this is expected.

jaephoenix:
Some Bible passages use raid, some use buy. The takeaway is that Yahweh wants Israelites to pick slaves from their neighbors. EOD

Only bibles made by devils say "raid" arid "slaves".

And the bottomline is that we see God establishing Labour Laws because man needs Labour as a factor of production, contract and employment.

jaephoenix:
But he said a clear NO to idolatry, fornication, stealing etc. Hr even made 10 commandments about them, listing the punishments for each of them, with death sentence featuring in the punishments, but when it came to slavery he 'reduce the amount of evil that an evil man would have done' according to you.
You apologists should just stop already. Y'all making a bad scenario worse by your predilations

Is there any need to be obtained from idols? No.

Or are you not crying because your politicians steal the communual resources and defile your wives and bethrothed with fornications and adultery?

Wheras, you have need for Labour as a factor of production, contract, service and delivery of goods hence why till the world ends Labour, Employment and Labour Law would always be relevant.

And even as at yesterday you people are still crying out to be slaves employed up to the point that it is now you people who are slave trading yourselves to go to foreign lands so that they could inslave you.

https://www.nairaland.com/8221937/nigerias-unemployment-rate-rises-5.3#132146738

So clearly, you have nothing reasonable to say .

eepeepook:
Market no dey atheists vs believers again. Look for something else.

Market always dey!

adeniyi65:
But if you are pardon to buy slaves in the nations around you. Is that not an act supporting it?

No, it is not. God's mind and Law already shows that He does not want any evil done at all.

But since man loves doing evil and will always do it, then the best thing is for Him to reduce the amount of evil that an evil man would have done.

For slavery comes out from the fact and natural need that man needs his fellow man to accomplish a thing which is why people employ people and will always need to employ people. What is called Labour and a big factor of of Production!

And you already know that there are good employers and their are evil employers, but no reasonable person would say it is right to wipe out employment because of evil employers.

So God issued what is now known today as Labour Laws to regulate the wickedness which employers can do without having to stop Lawful and good Labour and employment, as you see, employment is another necessary need of man equal to food, clothes and shelter

So this is you seeing God laying down Labour Laws!.

D wey you take enter am no be d way you go take comot.

jaephoenix:
It looks like you too don't read your babble

Leviticus 25:44 ►
New International Version
“’Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

And it did not say "raid neighbors for slaves" as you had Lied.

Atheists will always call madness, fashion