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Trizyd:
You need older records and as you said 'documents written by eyewitnesses'. It's like saying dinosaurs never existed because an explorer wrote it down during his exploration in year 1800.

AutomaticMotors:
Stoplying you deactivated before you could read my reply, I do not have access to the email I used in creating this account heck I think I even used a temp email then! Kindly contact me at

Trizyd:
I have presented, eye witness accounts, geographical maps, geographical events during the timeline. It was even called the Kingdom of Oyo, well known to the British and French. Benin Empire was conquered not long after the Kingdom of Oyo fell.

Trizyd:
History, according to Oxford "the whole series of past events connected with a particular person or thing", is not enough to prove if something existed or not. History is biased by definition, and you shouldn't expect it to be 100% accurate.

Trizyd:
You are the one doing History, I am not. I am still on the topic with you. History will not sort out the issues here.
You are said Oyo Empire never existed, I don't need history to counter your points.

Trizyd:
"By the time Captain Hugh Clapperton visited Oyo-Ile in 1825 during the reign of Alaafin Majotu, the empire was already in a state of decline. Clapperton's party recorded passing numerous Oyo villages burned by the Fulani of Ilorin while Majotu had also sought the help of the English king and the Oba of Benin in putting down the Ilorin rebellion. Clapperton also noticed a shortage of horses, even though the Oyo were renowned as a great cavalry force;"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Clapperton
https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.person.bm000001530

Trizyd:
You don't know what you are saying. Bringing up the benin bronze would have made more sense.

Trizyd:
The French explore came 1890, saw your about to collapse empire, recorded it and drew maps of what he saw, and you call that your history You don't know what you are saying. Bringing up the benin bronze would have made more sense.

Trizyd:
History: A written record of past events, [things that happened]. , there are certain events that may not be recorded or retold to 100% accuracy.
Archaeology is the study of the ancient and recent human past through material remains.
I never told you to dig up anything. dinosaurs are part of earth history. Kapish?

Trizyd:
Ouch... I guess i touched a nerve. I am sorry.

Trizyd:
Are you deluded? How can a document by a French explorer in 1890 be a witness for an empire existing way before then?

Trizyd:
You need older records and as you said 'documents written by eyewitnesses'. It's like saying dinosaurs never existed because an explorer wrote it down during his exploration in year 1800.

Trizyd:
Are you deluded? How can a document by a French explorer in 1890 be a witness for an empire existing way before then?

Trizyd:
Are you deluded? How can a document by a French explorer in 1890 be a witness for an empire existing way before then?

Stoplying:
In case you don't get it, this debate is not at the level of the consumer of history but at the level of the researcher of history. So you basically need to do the type of work which you believe those you quoted have done.

Trizyd:
Who drew it? What time period? Or they don't use name and date?

Trizyd:
😁🤣🤣🤣🙄 Eye witness written documents how can we go back now and ask someone from Oyo Empire and Benin Empire to bring their written documents. Or show me, in your words the "eyewitness written documents"

Trizyd:
Ignorant dude. You can't even chill to educate. Can't blame you. I will do it for you.
Sources.

1. https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/benin-oyo-and-dahomey/

"At its height during the 15th and 16th centuries the Benin kingdom reached its natural boundaries at the River Niger to the east and the sea to the south, and established suzerainty over Yoruba areas to the west and southwest up to the border of what was to become Dahomey. In the late 16th century it reached a common boundary with the kingdom of Oyo."

2. https://www.britannica.com/place/Oyo-empire
3. https://africankingdoms.co.uk/dahomey-2/
4. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/history-in-africa/article/abs/early-oyo-history-reconsidered/C053D1874C73CC6E6A001083F9BD63DA

I gave you some by your white masters you believe.

Trizyd:
Like you surveyed and drew yours.

Trizyd:
...

Trizyd:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire

phineas:
Here's a fun fact.The title of Oni historically was that of a priest not a king.The story of the kings of ancient Yoruba is another story entirely ...

phineas:
The fact that an African child write this is deeply disturbing. In view of the fact that history and archaeology clearly documents the existence of 3 oyo kingdoms so far (by location). Each one lesser in might and grandiosity than the previous one.And yes there is still an Oyo kingdom today

How do you all not know this?

phineas:
Here's a tip for you all ...buy land in ife, foreigners are doing so already.by the time those publications are made public after peer review. Ife will be viewed as a holy and revered city that it is globally.

phineas:
Hope you all know that ife has been one of the largest archeological research sites globally in the last 5 years.

Vado2:
In order to make the So-called Oyo empire gain credibility, they constantly attempt to link it to the legendary Benin empire. In the early 1400s, the Benins were already a unified and well organized people. We had a bustling trading relationship with the Portuguese and were one of Africa's largest empires. The great Oyo empire was vanished at that time. Just out of nowhere, the vast Oyo kingdom appeared?

Trizyd:
Please house, what does this statement mean? And map reader's and all, how are those maps related to Ancient Benin Empire. I'm not so learned in reading maps and French.

Stoplying:
Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

Precolonial map of the region showing that Lagos (in its currents form) and its environs were part of Benin (see below)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2


Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.

I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)

Trizyd:
Please house, what does this statement mean? And map reader's and all, how are those maps related to Ancient Benin Empire. I'm not so learned in reading maps and French.

Trizyd:
Which documents please? All you showed here where not possible to have been obtained during those era. All you just posted here are what you heard or what someone too heard as well. The only the note worthy was the arts that the empire had and no one is disputing that even someone else here made mention of it, I can also add the fragments of the man made wall around the city too. Awesome structure, nothing else again. All these maps, graphics and screenshot you are using to prove a point is nonsense. I can ask chatgpt and stability to get me something similar.

A little bit about the history of Lagos
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714/f1.item.r=Royaume%20du%20Benin.zoom

Trizyd:
So in conclusion, when you where presenting your arguments, you brought out facts, picture evidences(maps) not made by you or your kinsman but by white people who owns the research and are the owners of what you use.

THE SAME PEOPLE THAT RAIDED YOUR EMPIRE?