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bllaster:
Why dont yoruba send a representative to the oba of benin palace and see if they can findout more information on oduduwa/izoduwa.
Also they should take a look at the ogiso dynasty artifacts and see if there is any similarity with that of the yoruba kingdom

Are you for real!!!!!!!

bllaster:
Benin people arent denying any these. From what i have gathered their only issue is oduduwa is the banished prince , the son of the last ogiso. But yorubas wont accept these because it means that benin monarch is supreme to any yoruba monarch.

I like that you dont through insult when arguing. Keep it up.

We know Oduduwa's father. They should look for their lost prince somewhere else.

Facts are meant to be indisputable. if their claim is just a mere conjecture it can NEVER stand as fact.

The facts we have presented to them are undeniable by them.

Once they have further undeniable fact that Izoduwa is Oduduwa, they should present it, rather than basing it on guess work and hypothesis that does not hold ground.

I am not that nice online. I am nice and civil when people are. So far people have been very matured in this discussion.

Thanks for the compliment.

bllaster:
This is baseless. First you people said its ile ibinu, now you are saying ado or oredo. Must you lie to prove your point.

Incase you dont know im not from benin neither am i yoruba.
But judgung from a neutral point of view the benin version sound credible.

Calm your hot nerves down.

Those were various names Benin people were calling their town before Oranmiyan named it Ile -Ibinu.

It can sound credible to you but a fallacy to us. We have asked questions we want them to deny a which they cannot.

They kept on hammering on their lost prince called Izoduwa and we said their prince never wandered into our territory and maybe he followed a mermaid to under the water.

Can they deny SOS was sent to Ife?

Can they deny that Oranmiyan was sent to Igodomigodo?

Can they deny that Oranmiyan impregnated their princess and the union produced Eweka?

Can they deny that Eweka went ahead to be the King and his dynasty is still standing till today?

Those are undeniable facts.

bllaster:
And you think oranmiyan didnt meet a thriving culture in bini kingdom? smh

Thats not an excuse. Christianity came to Africa even if we had thriving cultures. So your point is invalid.

Get it right.

Oranmiyan met with thriving culture in Benin too. That is why Benin People are not yorubas.

You can also not deny the fact that Oranmiyan son became the 1st Oba am he renamed Igodomigodo or Ado or Oredo to the present name. If he was able to rename the town despite the thriving culture of the people, then he would have infused some.part of his culture into yours.

bllaster:
Interestng, so that means saudi king can claim all yoruba kingdom. Ooni must hear this.
How sure are you lamurudu kinsmen didnt have any idol they worshipped. Im sure if you check mecca history you will definitely find out that they idolised one thing or the other and they also had their own culture.
So how come they didnt bring it to yoruba land?

He met a thriving culture on ground.

bllaster:
SHUT UP.
If you claim lamurudu is from mecca then why dont yoruba have same culture with saudi arabia.
Im aware islam was brought to you people by your fulani masters.
Are you saying its ok for the king of saudi to wake up one day and claim all yoruba throne?
Just let this matter lie. Even the bible and quran speak of same history in slightly different way.

Malians brought it and not fulanis. Read up on Timbuktu.

Lamurudu lived in the time of paganism in Saudi.

emeka762001:
. if they get it back will u get 1 naira from it? will it give us constant electricity, good roads and drainage systems, good education, good lives etc. the past ones they collected, did it change our lives.

Listen to the words of an iPod that goes to church every Sunday.

AreaFada2:
Nothing twisted. All verifiable stuff from daily activities, ceremonies, etc.

From about 1169, sure by Oranmiyan & Eweka. That is settled and common history/knowledge in Benin.

Also that the father of Oranmiyan was Benin prince Ekaladerhan that became Imadoduwa/Izoduwa in Ife.

That was the only reason Oranmiyan was requested to come to Benin.

This has happened more recently too. In 1714, British parliament requested Elector of Hannover, George to become King of England after death of heirless Queen Anne. George was a German relative (and protestant as Catholics were & still forbidden to be King/Queen of England) of English royal family. George spoke only German. Hence he appointed a chief minister (Robert Walpole) to run England while the king mostly stayed in Germany. That chief minister became the British prime minister we all know today.
There are many other examples.

If you read wide and travel wide, it makes you understand yourself and your history better. Our ancestors were far smarter, political, intriguing & organised than we believe today.

We hav told you to look for you lost prince in.the lost city of.the Atlantis.

The father of Oduduwa (Odu to da Iwa) is Lamurudu. He is not your lost son that followed a beautiful mermaid to under the water.

Your ancestors saw a peaceful and thriving nation an they sent a SOS message for us to help your chaotic and tumultuous empire. We sent Oranmiyan, which gave birth to Eweka the father of the current ruling dynasty in Benin.

We are not saying Benin people are Yorubas. Get it right.

But your crown throne and title are ours. That is an undeniable fact.

AlPeter:
confirm things first, before talking. I gave a link check it up. Do you speak the language? do you know the meaning of 'UNKPO OBA'? If you do then no further discussion but i can bet.

Tell us what it means.

Let us take it from.there.

AreaFada2:
Wrong. In fact the Ogiso Igodo, first ogiso of Igodomigodo (as Benin became called alongside the name Idu) was also called Oba-godo. He reigned from about 40BC to 16CE. Roman senate appointed Herod as King of Judaea in 40BC too.

There were 31 Ogisos from 40BC to 1100AD. Between 1100-1169 was a time of turmoil as no male heir. Ekaladerhan had been banished in this tumultuous era. A noble man, Evian and later his son, Ogiame ruled. Infact Ogiame prevented Oranmiyan entering the heart of Igodo/palace. In fact, it took Oba Ewedo (1260-1274) to defeat Ogiamien army/supporting chiefs in several battles to enter Benin and built the new palace. About 90 years later.

These battles are colourfully re-enacted and Ogiamie symbolically defeated before a new Oba can be allowed to enter Benin/Palace, at coronation. Last one was in 1979. History is alive in Benin, every old street, village, shrine, palace activity and all have a detailed history behind it.

Don't get it twisted.

The Ogisos and Benin were existing as a people from time immemorial and you are not yorubas.

But your present throne and present dynasty that was started by Eweka, the son of Oranmiyan, started the 1st line of Obas an a new dynasty that is still in place till today.

OBAGADAFFI:
Go and read about Dahomey

You are even minding those shallow minds.

They thought because Benin Republic is bearing that name, it must hav been their territory.

Dahomey Kingdom and the Yorubas were and are still the most dominant people in Benin Republic till today.

Even the Dahomey Kingdom had to bow to the military war machine of the Yorubas at the end of the day and they were paying tributes to Alaafin before the advent of the Frenchs.

They should show us 1 place in Benin Republic that speaks their language or that has a semblance of their culture.

Jesusloveyou:
not before independence,but before d coming of d white(portugees)in 1430s, benin empire controls all from onitsha to lagos to togo, d only empire in west african

You can control from Benin to Cameroon, we care less.

Your language or culture have no influence on anywhere from Ore to Lome, whereas Yoruba has. Why is your language not spoken or your culture adopted?


For all our conquered territories, they adopt our language and culture. Classical examples are the Eguns, a subset of the Ewes.

Name a place where your language is spoken outside Benin? Yorubas can point to Benin Republic, Togo and even Ghana, down to Brazil Cuba and the Carribeans.

APCcrimes:
I am not distorting history..It's just your people's saying I am re-echoing.

Bro, your people say odudua came from up (sky)...And now, you are telling me Obatala and Orunmila are the ones who came from the sky.

So you believe people came from the sky..haaaaaaaaaa..

Anyway, you are free to believe. But also believe Eko belongs to Bini and your Oba is an offshoot of us.

Who told you Oduduwa came from heavens? Your ears heard what it wanted to ear.

If you believed that Elijah ascended to him with chariots of fire or Enoch ascended to him without dying, Or Zeus descended from heaven according to the Greeks, then Orunmila and Obatala too can descend from heaven too. No one has a monopoly of th heavens except God Almighty.

That is our believe and so be it. That is what is believed in yorubaland, in Nigeria Benin Republic Brazil Cuba and other carribean countries.

Jesusloveyou:
every tribe and language under benin empire before d coming of d white, is to maintain their distict language and culture. ondo and ekiti were already speaking yoruba, agbon, ika and delta igbos speak their language, benin does not like to force their language on any tribe that is why is an empire, not just a kingdom

Why do you people like distorting history?

Where were the Ekitis and Ondos paying their tributaries before the war of independence from Alaafin?

If they were under Benin Kingdom, how come.they took part in the Yoruba civil war by teaming up with the Ijeshas?

Please count Ika and the rest as part of your Kingdom but Definitely not Ekitis and Ondos.

APCcrimes:
Did Oduduwa fall from the sky??

No, he did not.

His father is Lamurudu.


Obatala Obatosa, Orunmila baba Ifa are the divinities that came them from heaven.

Get your facts right and stop distorting history.

APCcrimes:
haaaaaa...you must be a comedian...


Yorubas are well known slaves to the Benins... We won't spare a single inch of Lagos... Not a single inch! From Ibeju-lekki to Badagry we will reclaim. Eko is rightfully ours. That Oba Akinolu will be thrown into the lagoon he so much loves.


But on a more serious note, the yorubas are the off shooting of the Binis and when the time is right, we will reclaim our properties... But for now, enjoy while it lasts.

You have vital questions you have not been able to answer and you are here talking of being an off-shoot!!!!

Answer those vital questions and we shall know who is t owner of the Benin Crown, Title and Throne.

For your information, we do not know any Izoduwa, maybe your lost son followed by mermaid to the lost city of Atlantis.

Can your palace deny that they sent SOS message to Ile-Ife?

Can your palace dent that Oranmiyan was was to bring peace to the tumultuous kingdom?

Can your palace deny that Oranmiyan impregnated your princess that gav back to Eweka?

Can that drunk Chief deny that Oranmiyan change change name of Igodomigodo to Ile-Ibinu, that ended up being Bini.

Can he also dispute that the 1st Oba was Eweka after the demise of the Ogiso dynasty?

Can your palace deny that th present Oba is not from Eweka Dynasty?

APCcrimes:
Yorubas, if you want the crown, come and take it..

Meanwhile, we own Lagos and not a single inch would be left out once true federalism starts!

We do not take or grab what is already ours.

In true federalism, we shall claim everything that belong to the throne of Benin, including YOU.

Truth is bitter but it must be told. The title, Crown and throne of Benin is of the House of Oduduwa. Let you Oba come out and deny it.

I am sure he knows the repercussion on him and his lineage.

APCcrimes:
You own the oba of Benin or the oba of Benin own your ooni??

Lol.

Can your Oba come out openly and declare that he is not from the House of Oduduwa?

Ooni has made a categorical statement.

We are daring your Oba.

We own Benin's title, throne , Crown. Deal with it.

AlPeter:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Ogiso list of the Ogisos Note; the first is known as Oba Igodo or Igodo. Igodo means 'Brightly' Oba Igodo means 'shines Brightly' Note also the 28th Ogiso was Ogiso ODUWA.

There is nothing like Oba in the dynasty of Ogisos.

Oba started with Eweka 1, son of Oranmiyan, the great grandson of Oduduwa.

APCcrimes:
Who owns Lagos??

The throne of Oba of Benin owns Eko Island of part of Lagos and that means we own it, because we are the owners of the crown.

2ndly, Ogunfunminire was the founder of Lagos. Aworis are descendants of Ogunfunminire and even the Binis met the Aworis on that Island.

We know our history and our heritage.

You failed on the other thread and you had to open a new one.

I repeat, we are daring the Oba of Benin to declare he is not from the House of Oduduwa.

Is it that hard to do?

tonychristopher:
Oga the word eko is Lagos name and it is a Benin word and mind you they must have used Benin language as an aristocratic language during those days leaving egun,awori and Yoruba for everyday...they might not also be interested in imposing their language

The Romans spoke Latin but allowed the people they ruled to speak their language they considered that barbarian language ....

Just an observation ....the issue i s twy the term oba houkd be known who owned it..me I am observer and learning

Nahhhhh. Up until the 1940s the official language of their palace was Yoruba. They should ask their palace historian.

On Eko issue, they conquered Eko and not Lagos. Eko is a tiny island and Lagos of then and of now include The likes of Ketu, Badagry Epe, Ikorodu, and the mainland.

However they met the Aworis that are Yorubas there. The same revolted in mid 1800 and stopped paying tribute to the Benin and breaking off from Benin Empire and getting back into the Yoruba canopy. That is another fact.

On the Oba issue. They name their Kings before the demise of the Ogiso Dynasty and Eweka the son of Oranmiyan was the first Oba. his father named Bini and he also instituted the Obaship throne in Bini and that lineage stands till today.

Udmaster:
the Original name of Egusi is Egwushi soup and it is a 100% IGBO Soup.
You people don't know how to cook it.
- so get out of hia

Can you imagine, because your people stole the word and they do not know the correct spelling and it has made it yours. Abeg Abeg Abeg park well and leave thrash for lastma.

We agree we do not know how to cook. Man is not made for bread alone. Even at that, we do not eat Akpu in the morning, afternoon and night and 7 days a week. Even my dogs can never eat that way.

tonychristopher:
It doesn't concern me if they are or not...but to be honest with you..I stayed in Benin aroing GRA near airport for two years plus and I now live in Lagos I have not seen any linguistic similarities between the two culture

But I know that Benin empure was influential towards the western Nigeria to Togo and I believe that the title oba that yoruba uses was borrowed from Benin ..this is just my observation. ...I am no historian just observation and candid

There might be relationship between the Benin and Yoruba if I can say cos there is a place called utsen in edo state they speak a mixture of Yoruba and Benin


So its neither here nor there ...but it is left for the Benin to decide ...but one thing that can't be taken away is that the Benin had influence in Yoruba land and maybe Yoruba also had influence ( which can be proved ) with facts


Just like saying that the igbanke had Benin influence in edo state but that doesn't make them benins but igbos


As I said I am just learning history not to yab nor diss sir

The linguistics are very different. Yorubas are not Binis and vice versa. That is an established fact.

How did their kingdom reached Togo without passing through Yorubaland? How come there is no where in Benin Republic or Togo where their language is being spoken, whereas Yoruba is widely spoken in Benin Republic and Togo and which was due to the fact that we conquered a large part of their land. They should us any part of those lands where there could be traces of their influence.

We stand by the fact that their title, crown and throne remains yorubas and the ruling dynasty is from our lineage. We are also repeating that fact that the Oba cannot deny it. If he can, he should and let us put the matter to rest forever, but I am sure he knows the consequence.

We are not interested in their land but they can't also not take away the fact that the throne and crown and Oba's title is ours. They used to name their Kings Ogiso.

tonychristopher:
Did you see the dialogue ...the guy claimed that Benin are Yoruba the Benin man said he'll no he is not a yoruba

Instead of convincing him..he came around to call IPOB and Biafra

That's the funniest thing

If the Benin claim they ain't Yoruba that should be respected ....why call igbo into that again
N

Maybe he has an igbo masquerade chasing him in his dream


We have to respect people wishes that's all andface argument squarely

Don't get it twisted. Benin people were and are and will never be Yorubas.

However, the title of their king, the crown of their king and his throne are all ours. He is a descendant of the House of Oduduwa. Ghat is the undeniable fact.

We have dared the Oba to declare he is not from the House of Oduduwa. If Benin people say they are not, of course they are not but that throne cannot dare say that.

They should look for their lost wandering son somewhere else. Maybe he followed a mermaid to the lost city of Atlantis or wandered east to establish the Khoi Khoi tribe.

Udmaster:
hahaha, we PROUD IGBOS have soups like Nsala, Bitter Leaf, Okro, Oha, Ukazi, Achara, Egwushi, Ugu, Ogbono Ilo etc delicacies like Nkwobi, Isi ewu, Ugba, Okpa, Abacha(african salad) ETC
Thats the Foods only A GREAT CULTURE can Produce.
- not stinking Ewedu, gberiberi crap that you people eat.
Even the egusi you people copied 4rm Igbos, you people don't know how 2 cook it. Putting red oil stew in it.
. IGBOS are Beautiful people, the whole world knows that.
So gerrarahia.

Does Egusi sounds Igbotically to you? Wonder shall never end. This people and ther over sabi. Na over sabi kill Jet Li and Abacha.

However, you mentioned all those soups and just to eat AKPU alone --- morning afternoon and night. I repeat, no wonder you are a replica of the Bantu tribe.

P

Ikengawo:
Which picture is Aba and Which is Ife (The cradle of Yoruba civilization)
https://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/egheleghe/1aba1.jpg
https://www.digitaljournal.com/img/5/9/2/8/1/2/i/1/1/1/p-large/DSC00362.JPG

It's not fair to call Aba and Onitcha 'sesspits' when they're equal to Lagos in dirtiness. Perfect equals. Igbos call those places dirty because compared to most igbo cities (Awka, Umuahia, Enugu, Owerri, PH), They're dirty.

But compared to

Ibadan, Oshogbomo, Ore, and Abeokuta...Aba and Onitsha are very clean. Lagos is the cleanest city in the SW.

If I hear!!!!!!


Despite all that your shameless brothers still keep deserting your "super-clean" gully eroded garbage and flooding our blessed region, on a per second basis.

Sincerely, I do not have any word with you on this matter. It clearly shows you are not ashamed of your Cain-like activities of your kinsmen, if that iisthe case, you do not have any right to say rubbish about the place that is accommodating the refugees from your region that keep arriving here daily.

Udmaster:
an Igbo man was the First Black VC of Univ.of.Ibadan, UniLag and Yabatech.
- Igbos have the highest number of Profs in this country(Imo state leading)
- just look at recent Jamb, Waec statistics, South East is leading in Education performance.
- so gerrarahia.

Story for the gods.

We taught you how to spell your names. End of discussion.

martineinstein:
haven't you heard,"oba no Dey go transfer"?

I talk say nah lie!!!!!!!

I repeat, do you want to see the picture of Oba Akenzua visiting the Ooni Adesoji Oluremi? Did he disappeared to reach there?

Udmaster:
and what culture do you ugly tribal marked people have? A Culture that can't teach yoruba women how to cook, no wonder you people have no soup.
You people Hygiene? 10%
-the same Ngozi, Amara, Olanma etc is who your yoruba men are sweating/trying to marry inorder to have a half Igbo kid.
- get out of here.
Anu Mpama.

Hygiene is Zero in Yoruba land and the twin cesspits of Onitsha and Aba, the hell on earth, are in the land of Igbos. Says it all.

Apart from Akpu, tell us what meal you have again that is indigenous to your ethnicity. No wonder you all look like Kunta Kinte.

Udmaster:
Oluduah Equaino who is well Known.. And Jaja of Opobo who went on to become a King..

......... And Samuel Ajayi Crowther taught you how to spell your names.

Copy that.

Enahi:
God p urnish you for claiming Edo throne, are you mad or what?

Who let the dog out Who who who who!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cry us holy water but the undeniable facts remains Oranmiyan impregnated your princess and she gave birth to Eweka, who was your 1st Oba and successfully ended the Ogiso Dynasty and the beginning of Oba Dynasty in the land Oranmiyan named Ile-Ibinu, which later turned to Bini.