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italo: 1.
reverent honor and homage paid to an image, figure or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.

Tell me how your parents dont fit into that definition.

Are your father and mother not sacred to you?

Do you not pay them reverent honour and homage?

Abi you want to dishonour your mother and father the way you dishonour Mary?

I don't know about yours, but mine aren't image nor figures, they aren't sacred.

Catholism worship dead bones by praying, honouring and holding it sacred.

italo: It was St Paul who said so, not Italo.

Another lie, subdue in that sentence was used figuratively and unless for someone who intentionally wish to lack understanding, that verse as nothing to do with mortification. I why don't you take 'run', 'striveth', 'beath' literal?.

1 cor 9 vs 24-26
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

italo: It was prophet Ezekiel that said so, not Italo.

Again you lied, this has nothing to do with spiritual subdue or subdue of the flesh. You are good at quoting scriptures without relevance to the subject matter.

italo: Jeremiah says so, not Italo.

They were morning and not using mortification to attain spiritual benefit

italo: Ezra says so, not Italo.

Ezra was mourning, again God didn't instruct him to use spikes on himself or do mortification.

italo: 2 Samuel says so, not Italo.

Try something else. David in sign of repentance was asking God to spare the child of his extra affairs and that prayer was not answered by God. God never instructed him or by extension any Christian to pray laying on the floor or using sharp objects on ourselves

By the way, Mortification isn't a praying method.

italo: So you worship your parents...

Idolatry!

No?

How can that be deduce from the definition he advanced?

]wor·ship
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Show IPA noun, verb, wor·shiped, wor·ship·ing or ( especially British ) wor·shipped, wor·ship·ping.

noun
1.
reverent honor and homage paid to an image, figure or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.

2.
formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.

3.
adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.

4.
the object of adoring reverence or regard.

Romans 13:14

But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We do not need any mortification. Mortification is a pagan practice and shouldn't be associated with Christianity

Galatians 5:16

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

We do not need to beat ourselves with chains, nails and irons to subdue the flesh from sinning, we only need to tune and depend on the Holy Spirit of God

Confraternities of the Cord are groups who wear a knotted cord around their waist as a form of penance and in order to help prevent future sins. The cord can be worn loosely in remembrance of the Saint for whom the cord is named, or it can be worn tight enough to cause pain, as has been the case with numerous saints in history.

italo: Amen! Amen!

Penance and mortification is deeply rooted in scripture!

You have not shown despite rambling through the Bible where Christians are directed to beat themselves with scourge so as to remain spiritual. Just show me one, ok?

italo: Amen! Amen!


Ezekiel 4:1-8 "And you, O son of man, take a brick and lay it before you, and portray upon it a city, even Jerusalem; [2] and put siegeworks against it, and build a siege wall against it, and cast up a mound against it; set camps also against it, and plant battering rams against it round about. [3] And take an iron plate, and place it as an iron wall between you and the city; and set your face toward it, and let it be in a state of siege, and press the siege against it. This is a sign for the house of Israel. [4] "Then lie upon your left side, and I will lay the punishment of the house of Israel upon you; for the number of the days that you lie upon it, you shall bear their punishment. [5] For I assign to you a number of days, three hundred and ninety days, equal to the number of the years of their punishment; so long shall you bear the punishment of the house of Israel. [6] And when you have completed these, you shall lie down a second time, but on your right side, and bear the punishment of the house of Judah; forty days I assign you, a day for each year. [7] And you shall set your face toward the siege of Jerusalem, with your arm bared; and you shall prophesy against the city. [8] And, behold, I will put cords upon you, so that you cannot turn from one side to the other, till you have completed the days of your siege."

By this verse you meant to show God instructs Christians to brutalize their bodies, yes?

FrostyZonn: What is this! So self mutilation is acceptable by the Roman Catholic church??

It picks and tears at your skin. Yeah, Catholics practice self mutilation.

philfearon: Did the bible tell u that He didnt later attend to them?
You see why you are so foolish?

If you keep using words of that nature, you will keep demonstrating the quality of your upbringing. The Bible told us He ignored her and refused to meet her, that's all.

Pope John XXIII, who convened the Second Vatican Council, taught in Paenitentiam Agere, an encyclical he wrote on July 1, 1962:
But the faithful must also be encouraged to do outward acts of penance, both to keep their bodies under the strict control of reason and faith, and to make amends for their own and other people's sins... St. Augustine issued the same insistent warning: "It is not enough for a man to change his ways for the better and to give up the practice of evil, unless by painful penance, sorrowing humility, the sacrifice of a contrite heart and the giving of alms he makes amends to God for all that he has done wrong."

The Flagrum is a type of scourge with small hard objects attached to the length of its cords. It is traditionally used to whip oneself (self-flagellation). The flagrum is held in one hand and thrown over the shoulder in order to cause the cords to strike the flesh. The purpose of self-flagellation is voluntary penance and mortification of the flesh.

italo: Amen! Amen! 1 Corinthians 9:27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

[cf. NIV, Beck: "beat"; NEB: "bruise"; Williams: "beating and bruising"; Barclay: "batter"; NASB: "buffet"; NRSV: "punish"; NKJV: "discipline"; Wuest: "I beat my body black and blue and make it my abject slave"; Amplified: "I buffet my body -- handle it roughly, discipline it by hardships -- and subdue it"; Goodspeed: "I beat and bruise my body and make it my slave"; Moffatt: "I maul and master my body" ]

So, how many times have you given yourself some blue and black beating

doclan: To those who needed name, I ve come wt names for U... Church of Christ(rom16vs16) body of Christ(col1vs18)... Want more?? Concerning doctrines, check the new testament mode of worship and teachings.. A body dat still holds to the basic teaching of the apostles.. Oya comment.

You this unrepentant protestant!!! , arent you a Jehovah Witness or something

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]Luke 1:38
'' I am the handmaid of the Lord, may it happen to me aas you have said..''

There and then she accepted to do God's will which is to be the Mother of God.

Or was that not God's will for her?[/quote]Yeah, She submitted to God's plan and I am also a believer in Christ. So myself, Mary and other Christ believers are the brother and mother of Jesus, Jesus refused to grant Mary audience and didn't give her any special recognition when she came calling on Him in the chapter i showed you

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]...nwokem, thats a yes/no question.
Ok, I will rephrase.
Did Mary do the will of God or not?
Did she or did she not do the will of God?[/quote]God's will as per what?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]...did Mary do the will of God or not?[/quote]Is that all you have say?, Jesus refused seeing Mary in that verse and told His listeners those who do the will of God are is brothers and mothers.

Jesus didnt only refused Mary's request, He ignored her and reduce her status to be equal of all believers, no?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]lol, Of course he called her woman, na man e go call am before? Are you saying that calling her woman makes her less of a mother to him?
it is true that it is in his nature to do good but why still complain to her that his hour has not yet arrived? He is still God, isnt he? So he can decide to disagree to his mother's request.
Now, why didnt Mary wait to confirm his affirmation to her request before confidently asking the servants to ''do what he says'', huh?
Cant you see? She came to Jesus in 2 ways...as her son and God.
She have in mind that God has favoured her and wont deny her of her request if its for the good of her children. She beleived in her son, who is also God.

Whats so hard in this?[/quote]Matthew 12:46-50

46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.

Comment on those verses above

Pope Paul VI also stated:
“The necessity of mortification of the flesh stands clearly revealed if we consider the fragility of our nature, in which, since Adam’s sin, flesh and spirit have contrasting desires. This exercise of bodily mortification — far removed from any form of stoicism — does not imply a condemnation of the flesh which the Son of God deigned to assume. On the contrary, mortification aims at the 'liberation' of man.”

chukwudi44: Maria please stop replying that dude.He seriously sounds like a boko haram suicide bomber!! There are completely ignorant of christian scriptures!

Chukwudiii!!!!!! , you b comedian ooo

A cilice is an item worn on the body to inflict pain or discomfort. It is used by Catholics for Mortification and Penance

Lucia Santos later reported that the idea of making sacrifices was repeated several times by the Virgin Mary and that she had shown them a vision of hell which prompted them to ever more stringent self-mortifications to save souls. Among many other practices, Lucia wrote that she and her cousins wore tight cords around their waists, flogged themselves with stinging nettles, gave their lunches to beggars and abstained from drinking water on hot days.
Lucia wrote that Mary said God was pleased with their sacrifices and bodily penances.

In the early twentieth century, the child seers of Fatima said they had initially seen an angel, who said: "In every way you can offer sacrifice to God in reparation for the sins by which He is offended, and in supplication for sinners. In this way you will bring peace to our country, for I am its guardian angel, the Angel of Portugal. Above all, bear and accept with patience the sufferings God will send you."

chukwudi44: Bros you did not answer my kweshion.

How did a man who lived for 65 years able to do a penence for 100 years.

To your other points, mortification is voluntary and not a church doctrine

Chukuwdi !!!!, dont you know the definition of doctrine according to your church, you havent been reading your catechism!!!!. You should give yourself 50 slaps and 100 koboko whippings as mortification for saying the bold

Now go to my #3 post for response on your question

philfearon: God forgive me....But i have to say it out now,you are a Fool,a big one at That....
Do u even undastnd the Scriptures u quote?
Just incase u have gone myopic,St.Paul was refering to the Church in Corinth and Ephesus......
The last time i checked,one Person doesnt make up a Body of Christ.........
I just realised that You are "JEHOVAH'S WITNESS" member.....mtcheeeeeeeeew!!

If the bold will make you breathe better, no problem. I understand your frustrations.

Jehovah Witness ke?, you miss!!!

philfearon: And i wasted my time to come here......SUPERIOR,Watch out for your soul bro...Am not judging u,but with this attitude,you are on ur way to Destruction.......

That is all you can say about your churches worship to dead bones