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and horus lives in london, england. he has never been discriminate against by white people. yet he never said let me move to black people's country. or is he a white person who is doing the discrimination? if as a white person he does not discriminate, he must have in his bloodlines those colonizers or supporters/sympathizers of colonial powers which britain advanced her wealth on the backs of many african countries. horus in his diabolic conscience to expose the evil among muslims has not denounced his people.

could you apply the same brush to them, now so that we know that you are truly a good man,probably a genuine maverick, not the type of palin or the mccain?

@Horus;^^^^^^^^^^^ horus, unfortunately, in a different way, those racist arabs are naive about islam as deeply as you.

is racism part of islam, and allowed? no. what elevates a person is his or her God consciousness; Obedience to God in the faith of Islam doing good.

height, weight, wealth and other factors are used to stratify people in the communities. are these factors that a person can't actual work hard upon to change the fault of those who do not have what is preferred? no.

just suicide and killing of innocent are anti islam, so is racism. but i bet you my last dime though that a darker than midnight multibillionaire in euro or us dollars will not be shunned by the greed arabs because they will focus on his money, almost as if they are worshiping money.


horus needs to quit his ignorance. you wanna lambast the arabs, go right ahead. but dont blame believers in spite of the discriminatory experience they must ignore while performing their religious duty or going about their lives on the earth that belongs to Allah Who creates.

by the way i read a thread where the white germans in construction companies, eg julius berger and even those in oil companies, though sometimes academically below the nigerians do discriminate against the nigerians, even so much that the nigerians can't eat in the same dining room or have any eating room on the company property[ies]. thats going on in nigeria right now, whill i appreciate your less than sincere concerns about islam, unless you are not in nigeria, i would expect you to be raising cane [throw dust and complaining against the whites] about this ill treatment of the foreigners against the nigerians in ther own country.

^^^^^^^^^ you need education in 'reality', and live in uk of all places.

[Quote]« #330 on: Today at 01:19:57 PM »
HMMMM, very funny.
But you can have multiple wives, temporary marriages also called prostitution , lusts in your mind ( for allah cares not for what you think ) and the list goes on.[/Quote]temporary marriage is not permissible in Islam. you may have to provide your proof. and the lust in your mind, no christian is free of it and none has ever carved out his/her 'mind' in following Jesus' commandment to cut of any part that will make you sin. there shows the hypocrisy of the christians. Alhamdulillah, mere thought that human falls into is not a sin if not carried out. if carried out, and repentance follows and good deeds are done, Allah promises His Mercy. Now that is True Mercy. unlike a mere thought how ever brief is recorded as a sin, already.


[Quote]In Islam women are seen as sex objects - FACT[/Quote]in the world over, men see women, women see men as sex objects. Christian fact that may not be limited to christians, alone; sex sell. [Test driver her now is an advert where in a woman in skimpy bikinis straddle a car. which one is a man to test drive?]


[Quote]In Saudi Arabia , Homosexuality is rampant - FACT[/Quote]you dont live in saudi arabia. you live in england; fact; england has more homosexuals and other sexual deviants than today's bad egg saudi arabia.


[Quote]In a recent analysis of internet traffic for intimate deviants, most of the traffic on demand came from the middle east - FACT[/Quote]while this is bad, they are unfortunately adopting the bad and the ugly sides of the christian west. greater facts; mercury morris, a popular british rock star was one of the earliest death recorded in hiv/aids epidemic. amsterdam's red light districts, and many places are unrivaled by the decaying arabs. when it is a thing accepted, there will not be a real notice, though controversial. but the same thing will be documented from regions where it is not supposed to even present. May Allah give back all muslims on the straight path of Islam. Amin.


[Quote]In the middle east and Islam countries , Bestiality is practised - FACT[/Quote]in the christian west, it is a common thing. they are now importing it to africa. the poor muslims are taking what are bad and ugly from the chrstians. these are the facts, maann.


[Quote]In Iran instead of harlotry, you have a temporary marriage - FACT[/Quote]in England, it is a common thing so there is no shame. may Allah forgive all the sins of the muslims. Amin.


[Quote]A Muslim man is tempted just by a woman exposing her face or hair, shocking !!!!![/Quote]i know the woman's body parts do nothing to you. face is what many africans say they have sex with to mean it is what gets you first to be interested. and the women use their hair as a thing of beauty. i know now that you are either naive about the opposite sex, or a hypocrite or something else entirely. there is no real man on earth that will say one of the two you listed is not a plus on a woman about her sensuality.


[Quote]Why are their minds always on SEX, SEX, SEX[/Quote]i am thinking you are not interested in sex and more sex and more sex, still, with your spouse? you and paul the eunuch are on your own. no christian man, except homosexual is not interested or have sex, sex, sex on his mind. so are the christian women.

[Quote]"But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive (to the deceptive Jews), for Allah is the best of deceivers [to those who are deceivers, like the deceptive Jews [i did not change your chosen word 'deception, deceptive, deceiving, deceiver', even though the correct word is planner, planning, plan] (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)!" S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

"He is the One GOD; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most [the Only One Who has the Right to [everyone else who says he is proud is a liar because his pride is empty]]Proud (al-mutakabbiru). GOD be glorified; far above having partners." S. 59:23[/Quote] the above is a better read or something that your mind can grasp, better. frosbel, read it, now.

^^^^^^^^ [Quote]Totally contrary to this deity Allah, Yahweh deceived and deceives no one, he is also marked for his great HUMILITY.[/Quote]the bold is classic and i will tell you why;
as to not being a deceiver, i am confused, so you need to explain to me how Yahweh sent Moses on a mission, and he was on the job to complete the mission, when suddenly Yahweh was trying to kill him. is there any clear thinking in such an action to kill your messenger who is yet to deliver your message? are you saying Moses didn't feel deceived, thinking no harm will come from Yahweh since he is delivering His Message? if i am trying to circumvent you from reaching your destination, when i am the one who gave you the goal to reach and the road map to get there, will you not say that i have deceived you? is Yahweh's position not that of a deceiver, in this case?

lets go further. the same Yahweh Who said and was assumed that no human eyes can see Him, you now say walked around in the streets of Jerusalem, Galilee, Nazareth, etc as Jesus. if this is true, has the invisible Yahweh not deceived those who believed Him to be invisible? if Yahweh says He is the Creator, has He not deceived when He became creature as Jesus, if this is true? i can give you many many deceiving acts your Yahweh committed including being the All Knowing and as Jesus became lacking of knowledge.

How is the Humility when as Jesus was arrogant to the 1000th degree, by beating down old business people instead of calmly advising them, as Muhammad [as] did with the man who urinated in the mosque, telling him,mosque is meant for three; make salah, read Quran and remember God. this advise will apply to people doing business inside the mosque, because exchanging monies from one person to another and other business discussions are carried out outside the prayer space, even today.

i can give you non humility position of Yahweh. but you should read your old testament where n the 10 commandments, you will at least find 2 non humility positions that you christians have disregarded by putting Jesus and the cross and the catholic sect have added Mary, too.

^^^^^^^^^^^ while God is above all, i am a married man and i can't even ask my spouse to abandon her family name for mine. so when you say rape is marriage in islam, then you have accuse me and all muslims i know who have love in their marital relationship as rapist.

i don't know where you live. there are muslims all over the world. you can't rape a woman in any country and get away with it. not even the society you hate so much. and there are educated muslim women in all the western nations. are they being raped daily and they are not talking about these crimes because they are married to the rapists?

we need to make sense in our speech even though we are arguing against what we dislike.

@the muslims; lets wait to see the 'gospel of Jesus' from frosbel, as he promised. i hope it is soon.
we already have in the book, gospels according to john, luke, mark and matthew. the gospel of jesus is coming to us, soon, from frosbel.

@frosbel; Allah is the True Destroyer. Just like He is the True Rescuer, Savior, Protector, Lord, God, Creator, Owner of Mercy, Sustainer, Owner of The Throne, Judge, etc. anyone else you give any of these positions and or titles, you have put him or her or it where that entity does not belong, but belongs only in the creature's category with you and I.

but am waiting for your promised 'gospel of jesus' thread. don't keep me waiting for long, now.

around 42 years ago, nigeria was in the thick of her own arab over african situation.

the arab was led by a christian man; jack gowon. benjamin adekunle an arab christian was a hero till date in an arab town named ogbomosho.

the african people they were oppressing was led by an african man named odumegu ojukwu. this african tribe cried to the jews of israel and the christian west.

what a ridiculous poposal by frosbel about the sudanese. i bet he does not know a single sudanese. if he does, he should ask him directly; are you an arab or is there an arab group in sudan, while the nubians are the blacks?

@frosbel; « #2 on: Today at 05:45:02 PM »
[Quote]^^

I understand that you are trying to avoid the question.

Muslims just have nothing to answer with regard to the many valid questions we have about their religion, that is why most Islamic states are dictatorships, you must follow Allah without question.[/Quote]emperor bush was barely out of office. pakistan and bangladesh have had women head of governments. those women were dictators, while i do not deny that countries that boast muslim majority have dictators, there is no Quranc support for their position. oppression and damnation of women, there is not a single verse to support it, but we see the bibles blaming women for all the woes of the world and that of the men.



[Quote]I know their method, if you cannot answer a valid question , attack the questioner verbally or physically.

Please restrict your answers to the questions above.

Even today in Sudan the blacks are enslaved by the Arabs.[/Quote]there is not a single ethnic arab in sudan. just like the fulas of africa, having a softer hair texture or longer narrower or straighter nose is not an indication of being arab.



[Quote]Funny how all peoples are free in the west but in total bondage in Muslim countries. it sure aint of God.[/Quote]where do you live in the west and the people who are black in the backwaters of Mississippi, Alabama, Small town Texas, Louisiana, etc will tell you that he or she is not free like birds in the sky or white people on the ground. its the 4th of july weekend. there are blacks who feel hate for this occasion the reason they have what is called junetenth.

I will leave the martian dude ^^^^^^^^^ , alone because there is a human being wanting to know about solutions to human problems.

@frosbel: Posted on: Today at 04:34:25 PM
Posted by: frosbel
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[Quote]Muslims claim that the Christian West wishes to control Africa. Yet why is it that we Africans must not like the Coca Cola culture of the West, but we are obliged to start wearing seventh century Arab dress once Islam is taken on? What's wrong with my good African cultural dress? And why is it that Black African Muslims are obliged to pray facing a Saudi Arabian city: Mecca? Who is dominating who? Why not face the local town (i.e. Nairobi or Lusaka, etc.)? I thought God was everywhere, and that prayer should be directed to Him who lives in heaven above the earth.[/Quote]frosbel needs to know that christianity, like every religion or idea or ideology or movement wants to dominate the whole world. i know your african heart is concentrating on africa, so i will follow you with only africa, but you can substitute it with the whole world, as you wish. it is not compulsory to wear arab dress to be a muslim as long as you cover what is to remain covered.

i am wearing a urhobo wrapper right now. it covers what is to remain covered. you can wear any western country clothing as long as it is loosely fitted on you and does not look like a track suit or swimming suit or paint on or spandex, giving every mounds and recess of the body. i am sure you wear christian west clothing, though none of the countries is founded on christianity which they adopted, while we now have muslims among the natives. why are you wearing christian west clothing instead of your african ethnic attires?

finally, since your thoughts are very poor for meaningful conversation, the islamc religion has a unifying single direction, a rule for its prayers. the direction is the Ka'ba in masjid Haraam in the city of Makka. if you are on the easterly direction to Ka'ba, you have to face the western direction so that you are 'facing the Ka'ba'. if the Ka'ba is in your north, you must face it because you are south of it. if you are in front of it, you just face it where you are. if you are inside its space, you face any direction.

God being everywhere is your own making because your following sentence says it is Heaven that God is; not at anytime on earth with you for sure and not in your bathroom. God sees everywhere, knows everything, you were probably trying to say. but you communicate it very poorly. your below statement kills your ability above struggling to know God.



[Quote]Remember, Jesus, the Truth once said I am from above, you are from beneath.[/Quote]every prophet, including and not limited to only jesus is the truth in his prophetic period starting from when he begins his mission and ending when the succeeding prophet begins his own mission. jesus ceased to be the truth when Muhammad [as] started his mission in the year 630. being the last of the messenger, and prophet, his truth will last till the end of time. then judgment.
And all of us came from above as invisible souls to mother's wombs being house by our body. it is the soul that made us alive.



[Quote]Furthermore, why are we required to read God's word and speak to Him only in Arabic? Does God only speak Arabic? Is He not capable of understanding my African language? Thank God that the Holy Bible is now in over 2,000 known languages around the world. Because I know my God is able to speak every language. It's not a problem for Him.[/Quote]its easy to learn arabic language you know. easier than learning english, french which is impossible for me, spanish, german and all these christian west and the nordic languages. if you learned english arabic will be a cake walk.

you are required to read Quranic verses and chapters in its original arabic text when you make salah. reading Quran in arabic in other setting helps you to master it so that the arabic reading will flow smoother on your tongue as you are required to use it in every salah, daily. you can speak to God in Islam in your native language after you have met the essentials of the 'arabic'. your over 2,000 known languages in which the bible occurs, provide the window to your problems; disunity and no central theme or purpose. no wonder so christians like the orthodox one in Lalibela, Ethipia and Coptic Egyptian monk sects bow themselves and prostrate their faces in great religious occasions. i know. you only stand like a stiff in your worship.

@Newmi; « #5 on: June 15, 2011, 10:17 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: crossman9 on June 14, 2011, 08:20 PM
Great Controversy Over His Real Age In Christ Embassy

Well in the church there is some points the church members don’t discuss nor do the members even want to know about and even if you go on Google it is very hard to find out (Pastor Chris Oyakhilome) his real age no one in the church seems to know his real age, it is closely guarded secret goodness knows why, but they are quick to announce his birthday bashes ever year and lavishing him, with millions in gifts and praise him endlessly but if you ask people in the church most will just simple say they don’t know his age, it’s like a blank wall you run into they will tell you it is not in portent which you would find strange because they place all this energy into entertaining him yet this simple but easy every day fact is kept top secret?
But why all the great sense of mist eke and mysteries surrounding him; there has been some people who have had the privilege of even interviewed him and asking a similar question what is your real age he simply replied (Pastor Chris Oyakhilome) by saying check the records; I was educated in Nigeria there is records yet in all of Nigeria people see In local papers announcing his birthday, but never his age most people in the modern world, when having a birthday have a cakes a with candles on it or one and a age with numbers saying “Happy Birthday” so why are you hiding a simple fact, they only know he was (Born on the (7th) December) but nothing like this revealing his age.

“Ex Mother in Law” said something in “South Africa” when I was living there for a short period. She said the following
Quote Ex Mother in Law: (One’s life should be like an open book anyone should be able to read it?)

Meaning your life everyone should be able to see who you are with no hidden; columns or secrets in short there is no lies or deceptions in you? And you would be like a glass everyone can see who you are as a person this is not the case with him? He does not like the media and only selects journalist that are “Pro-Christ Embassy” people interviewing him. there is no real journalism in the church it only protects the image of the “Mini god” protecting the image of their “icon” is more impotent than being open and honest as origination and as a “Head Pastor” (Pastor Chris Oyakhilome) he should just tell people his age and put inquisitive minds to rest seeing he is surrounded with such great Controversy everywhere he goes?

Bolingbroke, Henry St. John, Viscount (1678-1751) Plan truth will influence half a score of men at most in a nation. Or an age, while mystery will lead millions by the nose. [Letter, 1721]
It took me a lot of digging to find this out this but he must love Controversy to keep people captivated?
But I have found out his real age and day he was born, and which is the following:
(Sunday Date of Birth: (07/12/1953) this makes him if you take the current year (2011) and calculate the years it makes him (Aged 57)
So now you know the truth of his age you can sleep a little better at night lol Ha-Ha?

Doyle, Sir Arthur Conan (1859-1930) How often have i said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth [the sigh of four]
So the conclusion he should just tell people and get rid of the air of mysteries surrounding him.
Here is a mock image intended for a little humour with some facts attached: with his real age?


l spit on this again and again!
of what consequence is this to body of Christ and the gospel. Please stop all this obnoxious display of deep frustrated idleness. l spit on this again! Go get busy with things that are much more important, meaningful and that has eternal value.
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Re: You're The Restraining Force Against Evil – Pastor Chris
« #6 on: June 15, 2011, 10:31 AM »

l mean this is disgusting, even the thought of it offends me like the smell of poo from an abandoned suck-away. What will the age of a man add to the gospel fir God sake it just shows how degrading fallow minds like this have degenerated to. We have an alarming chunk of the worlds population yet to here the gospel and here is one dumb fellow who is stupidly concerned about the age of a man. Nonsense! l spit on this again and again![/Quote]while you are spiting over and again, please keep your gospel to yourself if jesus and his spilled blood can't protect, because there was no verse from jesus in the beginning post. it shows how serious you need a bandage. why not treat your wounds and get healed before you are looking to stop the small cut on my skin?

i didn't see jesus or his spilled blood at work preventing christians from mistakes and or shaping or guiding them aright. what good was the blood?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ white people [christians] got involved in slavery?

well. they helped spread the "JIHAD". no?

^^^^^^^^^^^ sagamite is on a rampage; sorry on a crusade.

you need to go clean the christian house first, by watching commentary on kirk franklin pink video, before you come on here to make us the one to be worried about.

the world is secure by Allah with Islam in it. sagamu is secured because you have muslims in her, otherwise the ogbonis will absorb christianity like that. anything goes for you. in Islam, it aint that easy. we have rules.

a person who does a thing that is not within the rule, you can blame the rules, or do you think the people who know the ruling should allow you malign it?

and they did jihad in south africa to convert them, while the white afrikaans actually turned the other cheek and apartheid is a post president mandela phenom.

@divinereal; « #315 on: Today at 08:48:31 PM »
[Quote]“Muslims only kill in self-defense.”
The Muslim Game:
Muslims often claim that their religion only orders them to kill in self-defense (ie. when their own lives are in danger).
The Truth:
In fact, self-defense is just one of several conditions under which Muslims are permitted to take the lives of others. The myth of killing only in self-defense is easily disproved from the accounts of Muhammad’s own life as recorded in Islam’s sacred texts (with which Muslim terrorists are only too familiar).[/Quote]the muslim gave and the truth, both according to divinereal and his type, both enemies of islam, clearly today's 'hamaan' of the court of pharaoh again Musa [as]. is there a rule that in self defense, your enemy who started hostility against you must no die? show us in the haige law books, divinereal.



[Quote]Muhammad’s career of killing began with raids on merchant caravans traveling between Syria and Mecca. His men would usually sneak up on unsuspecting drivers and kill those who defended their goods. There was no self-defense involved here at all (on the part of the Muslims, at least). This was old-fashioned armed robbery and murder – sanctioned by Allah (according to Muhammad, who also demanded a fifth of the loot for himself).

The very first battle that Muhammad fought was at Badr, when a Meccan army of 300 was sent out to protect the caravans from Muslim raids. The Meccans did not threaten Muhammad, and (turning this Muslim myth on its ear) only fought in self-defense after they were attacked by the Muslims. Following the battle, Muhammad established the practice of executing surrendered captives – something that would be repeated on many other occasions.

The significance of this episode can hardly be overstated, because it lies at the very beginning of the long chain of Muslim violence that eventually passed right through the heart of America on September 11th. The early Muslims were not being threatened by those whom they attacked, and certainly not by those whom they had captured. They staged aggressive raids to eventually provoke war, just as al-Qaeda attempts to do in our time.[/Quote]Allah is the Owner of truth and He has exposed divinereal lies by the two bold; the muslims [both muhajiruun and ansaru] were slightly over 300, the figure you gave to the makkans, while they were actually about few men shy of 1,000 men. will makkan in all her previous killings and tortures of the muslims in makka come with the insignificant and mere of 300 men army when it is beneficial for them to route out the young but growing strong near faraway madina? america made a collision and went to afghanistan and then iraq with overwhelming force. this is exactly what makkans did except Allah shamed them at Badr.

the other thing is that if 9/11 is a noble muslim event, would it not have happened from muslims in america, with over 6 to 10 millions stagnated number for the past 30 plus years? every native muslim in america wants to collect good deed, since they truly believe in islam. their not involving themselves in 9/11 type or other suicidal activities tell me that killing of innocent or committing suicide and mini genocide, are unislamic.



[Quote]Muslims try to justify Muhammad's violence by claiming that he and his followers “suffered persecution” at the hands of the Meccans in an earlier episode, in which Muhammad was evicted from the city of Mecca and had to seek refuge at Medina. But even the worst of this persecution did not rise to the level of killing. Nor were Muhammad and his Muslims in any danger at all in their new home of Medina. They were free to get on with their lives.[/Quote]islamic quiz and its answer for you divinereal; The first woman martyr of Islam was? Sumayya, in makka before hijra.



[Quote]Even Muhammad’s own men evidently questioned whether they should be pursuing and killing people who did not pose a threat to them, since it seemed to contradict earlier, more passive teachings. To convince them, Muhammad passed along a timely revelation from Allah stating that “the persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter [of non-Muslims]” (Sura 2:191). This verse established the tacit principle that the authority of Muslims is of higher value even than the very lives of others. There is no larger context of morality against which acts are judged. All that matters is how an event impacts or benefits Muslims.[/Quote]every revelation is timely, otherwise it will false like many unfulfilled after the time[s] have elapsed many centuries, as we see in the return of jesus, as an example from the bible. and we see that divinereal has revealed his own devilreal revelation. Alhamdulillah, muslims have already challenged his lies and thrown his revelation away. 'persecution is was than killing' in islam and it covers all mankind, and even all animals; its better to kill an animal than torture it without any end, the reason you have peta organization.



[Quote]Under Muhammad, slaves and poets were executed, captives were beheaded, and adulterers were put into the ground and stoned. None of these were done during the heat of battle or necessitated by self-defense. To this day, Islamic law mandates death for certain crimes such as blasphemy and apostasy.[/Quote]talking like a parrot without any evident will not work. you must give us names and places and events leading to the killing of slaves and poets and captives just for being slaves, poets and captives. i agree with the second bold if there are 4 witnesses seeing the event all at the same time, willing to swear the fourth oath that the wrath of God is upon them, if they lied, and the accused refused to swear a fourth oath to refute them.

or the adulterer comes in to confess and asked that the judgment be carried out on him. is there a law in the book similar to this where the accused can be guilty as long as he does not confess it is free to go, and those who accused him will not be allowed to act as witnesses in any situation, for life?



[Quote]Following his death, Muhammad’s companions stormed the Christian world - taking the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe. They attacked and conquered to the East as well, including Persia, Central Asia, and well into the Indian sub-continent. Few, if any, of these campaigns involved the pretense of self-defense. They were about Jihad.[/Quote]is there a story/history book you can show us how they stormed india or malaysia? i wanna read this 'jihadi' book. the christian guy is crying foul, forgetting that arab christians remained from then till now. so were jews even when jerusalem was captured.

but the word infidel has no equivalent in arabic.the english koran is not the Quran. Quran is n arabic.

finally, you find the word infidel in the bible. what does it mean in the bible?

without any human being alive or a human being who is a true worshiper of The God Who is The Creator.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ the truth is lost on this guy.

@divinereal; « #307 on: Today at 01:26:17 AM »
[Quote]My Mujahadeen brother (Joke)[/Quote]every true believer is a mujahed, at least fighting against the evil in him.


[Quote] that's incorrect, Mandela had power and could have easily expelled the whites/Boers from South Africa upon being elected and that would be a moral and just decision.[/Quote]mandela had no such power. his power was not even enough within his anc that no one could show any dissension. the world would have cried foul and got rid of him. this is not the case with Muhammad [as]. when he spat, his companions [ra] rushed to get it and rub it on themselves as a thing of baracka.

and when he defeated makkans without shooting a single arrow, he could have sacked every pagan who have stood in opposition to both the establishment of the religion chosen by God for mankind which was in the process of being completed under the only universal messenger, a man they knew to be the most honest and trusted among them and the individual rights of each of the muslims. yet, the messenger in his God given mercy and kindness gave them universal amnesty.

he left the people of taif alone, too, as he had done when he was weak that they pelted him with stones. look. mandela didn't have any angel coming to him, asking if he will want him to kill all the whites, by the Authority given by God, if he wanted it. Muhammad [as] had divine army as an angel waiting for him to bring just punishment. he chose forgiveness even then. and remember that your hero mandela was once a fighter?



[Quote]He chose a path of truth and reconciliation something that many in his own party the ANC and supporters resisted. I am drawn to such exemplary acts of forgiveness and unity rather than war and mischief displayed by the prophet of Islam. Mandela displayed the true essence of pure humility and leadership. Lest not forget Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years and came out of jail and forgave real aggressive oppressors not  perceived ones. This is something that we all witnessed (not sure how old you are).[/Quote]i was a father children in grade schools before mandela was released in 1990. i watched him coming out live in early morning from the city of san francisco. mandea is a christian. i am now convinced that you make him better than jesus his God who before becoming a human commanded Moses to lay waste many nations and their wealth. when he became human fighting very early in his life, just like mandela.

when in later part of his life he spoke about bringing sword, not peace and commanding tree to die and spoke about slaying those who resisted a king [which the christian says he is] be brought forward and be slain, mandela chose a different route. now lets consider the power and influence of mandela while i give what i know of Muhammad [as]; mandela real sphere of influence is south africa. Muhammad's sphere of influence was a civilization, so much so that he was able by divine command wrote to kings and rulers and emperors of the time to accept Islam under him and they will have divine safety. this invitation in itself is mercy and just, instead of justice in way Moses had dealt with disbelievers.

and only a bastard leader that saw a war that will decimate his community that will mount an opposition to defend his people. no one attacked south africa while mandela was a leader. from the moment Muhammad spoke the truth by inviting his people to worship God, alone, even his uncles became his enemies. did anyone from mandela's family supported the opposition? Muhammad and his supporters were rejected and no one did anything with them by agreement posted on the wall of kaaba. it was a prison in the open desert because the were told to live outside city limit with almost nothing including adequate food. khadija [ra] was with them, suffering just as well.

mandela was fed in robin island ans winnie struggled inside south africa. mandela was able to not let bygone be bygone and he exchanged winnie for lady samora machel. Muhammad stay with his wife, even when she passed [as], it was divine order that forced him to remarry, a thing so practical that allows one to know that life can be restarted all over after the loss of a spouse. not just having a girl friend at old age as if you are grade school kid. and you spoke about mischief.

a person whose yes is yes and his no is no cant be considered to be mischievous especially when he is under divine guidance. his turning his face from a person wanting his attention called for his Lord to remind him of his 'position'. what mischief did he do? if a man had attempted the life of mandela when he became the president, that man was as good as already dead. yet in a battle Ali [ra] walked away without killing a man because if he had, he said it would have been for person reason. who do you think influenced Ali other than Muhammad [as]?



[Quote]So with examples like these I definitely have an affront for stories about some medievial figure being of exemplary character when I read about the opposite and witness the opposite in reality (terrorism in the name of Allah). Even though I don't consider myself a christian, the mythical stories of Jesus and buddha are so much better than big Mo' out of Arabia.  And before you jump the gun, I am aware that Mandela was considered a "terrorist" by the Afrikaans govt (which was illegitimate btw) but was instead a true freedom fighter.[/Quote]could you define terrorism from any dictionary or source of your choice. anyone who says he does any deed for the sake of Allah, if such a deed is not within what Allah accepts, is he really going to be rewarded for his deed that is unacceptable?  a woman becomes a prostitute so that she may support an orphanage. is that a morally acceptable support, in your own mind? and i will ignore how the afrikaans saw mandela in his struggling time.



[Quote]Not everybody was raised to pick up the sword (or resort to violence) when they feel oppressed or maligned, there in lies the difference. Many are taught to outsmart your enemies with intelligence, love or dexterity not brute force. Haven't you heard the saying the pen is mightier than the sword[/Quote]i hope you heard the expression ' oppression is worse than killing'? and this ' give me liberty or give me death'? or even this 'if you can't die for a noble cause, you live for nothing'? or this 'a life without God given freedom is not worth living'? there are many more expression and pen is mightier than sword in a limited way; not in nigeria, not between israel and palestinians because the zionists have used sword to silent any pen the palestinians can write with.

the un is not able to read the invisible ink on the white paper. america didn't use pen on afghanistan or iraq, but major sword. i amnot an advocate for violence. but i am an advocate for freedom. resistance must be legal, from my islamic point of view; no suicide, no killing of innocent. and when you fight for a noble cause, with noble mindset, and be God conscious.



[Quote]We are all human beings and whether or not we like it we all need to coexist on this planet. But unfortunately for the Islamists, the odds are stacked against them. The West and other civilized nations have the technological and economic might that orientalist could only fathom. Its Modern Miltaries with drones, satellites, B52s, cluster bombs vs. Ak 47s, IUDs, RPGs & suicide bombers (what a primitive bunch of losers)![/Quote]orientalist is not a muslim. i wonder what you are talking about. and above all of the weaponry is the heaven[s]. the Owner of Heavens s the Owner of the earth. Between them He owns, too. imagine His own weaponry! divinereal does not know how devastating divine intervention can be. go and study how Moses defeated pharaoh who had the power to build pyramid. it was by divine intervention that abraha and his army was also defeated. learn, maaannn.

i am simply responding to the title of this thread. the biblical verses are irrelevant if they are not supporting the title.

if a person is the restraining force against evil about himself, what use is jesus that you people have been raving about?

even with biblical jesus in the driver seat, christian safety is not guaranteed? i am shocked the blood can't keep you from falling out of safety. what good is the blood, then if it can't keep what he got already?

each one of you is therefore responsible for yourself, is what i am thinking each one of you is saying, if there is any time you bounce out of the safety. calvinist or not, imagine if you die when you happen to be unsafe?

your condition will be just the same as that of an infidel, like me.


you will worse than me, if when you are dying and suddenly it is revealed that jesus son of virgin mary was no more than an apostle, and you have worshiped him instead of worshiping God Who sent him.

oh. i forgot. there is no single muslim in south africa; all the whites, blacks, colored and asians are christians.

you only have some jews; honorary whites, just lke the japanese.

he hates progress.

but he love modern day amenities.

this is boko haram version of paganism.

[Quote]« #304 on: Today at 06:28:02 PM »

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@ajigglin; and you didn't apply 'in context' to Islamic scripture. what does that say about your process of argument? hypocrisy has a way of letting honest mind detects that insincerity is on the prowl.

sweetnecta, what the hell are you talking about?!?!? look here-don't come running your mouth about things you don't have a clue about. when did i even reference islamic scripture? lagosshia asked me questions and i answered them. go back and read my posts. in the future, never address me again. you are not worthy. this will be the first and last time i address you.

« #141 on: June 28, 2011, 03:34 PM »

what people fail to realize is this-PEOPLE are violent. not the religion they practice. a MAN wrote the quran. MEN wrote the bible. human beings. are we not the descendants of animals at the end of the day? people should stop blaming religion for their own failings as human beings and stop using religious texts and figures to justify murder, torture and cruelty. enough is enough.

« #148 on: June 28, 2011, 04:02 PM »

my other problem with some people arguing here is that they don't even understand christianity. Jesus Christ came to save sinners both on earth and those to come after. it was the best way God could show his love and his willingness to absolve all atrocities-past, present, and future. you are supposed to leave the old testament BEHIND. why do you think it is called old testament? a christian is supposed to walk in the ways of Christ, who is the epitome of peace, love, and understanding. so, stop quoting from the old testament in reference to what christians do or don't do. and for those of you who claim to be christian, i advise you to actually understand the religion that you practice.

« #184 on: June 28, 2011, 07:36 PM »

Quote from: LagosShia on June 28, 2011, 04:11 PM
since you have brought up a religious topic and you're trying to preach,please answer the following if you can:

1.) the God that you believe "inspired" the "old testament" is He not the same God that you believe also "inspired" the "New Testament"?did He change His mind?

2.) can you show me one verse in the bible where the word "old testament" appears?can you also show me in the bible where the word "bible" appears?can you tell us why these two words are not found int the bible?!!!

3.) christians pray,fast,do not eat blood (and many more laws as commanded in the "old testament".can you tell us how you determine which law to follow from the "old testament" and which to "leave behind"?according to Jesus:

MATHEW 5:

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

you can also check this:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-651674.0.html



[b]what does any of this have to do with what i said? don't worry, though-i'll appease you. afterwards, answer sagamite's questions:

1. in a nutshell, the new testament talks of the birth, life, and death of Jesus Christ. it also talks about the building of the churches in various cities and some of their trials and tribulations. since i believe Jesus Christ to be the son of God, then yes, he did inspire that testament.

2. why would those words be in the bible? what a silly question. what are you trying to prove here?

3. this is all you need to know:

"When asked what the "greatest commandment" is, Jesus is portrayed by the Gospels of Mark[12:28–34] and Matthew[22:34-40] as stating that the first two commandments, and the greatest, are
"Love your God": One should love God with one's entire heart, soul, mind, and strength
"Love your neighbour": One should love one's neighbour as one would love oneself"

oya, over to you. be sure to answer sagamite's questions, okay?[/b]
[/Quote]a person who has an opposition view to islam, do quote contrary what Islam says. such a person, if he quotes will quote the Islamic scriptures out of context.




@divinereal; « #305 on: Today at 07:09:50 PM »
[Quote]Disclaimer: I am not trying to get into back and forth rancor with any of the participants in this debate but I am providing evidence from my point of view that shows the violence inherent in the holy books, culture and doctrine of the religion of Islam. I do not hate muslims and see them as human beings like myself. However, it is the ideology that I am examining and critiquing. I am not advocating christianity, judaism or atheism as an alternative to Islam just offering supporting evidence that inherently links the religion of islam to violence. Neither am I denying that other religions and ideologies have ccommittedviolent acts to humanity and unfortunately so has Islam and it is continuing to be a scourge in the modern age along with other problems that humanity faces.

That being said, the aformentioned quotes in my earlier posts are from The translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52:Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad).

Finally, in my opinion we should not hold men that ccommittedviolence in such moral high esteem except as maybe great warriors. There are several non violent people that moved humanity forward without lifting a violent finger to harm others including Ghandi, MLK etc. Others started with violence and put their arms down and made change the peaceful way for eg Mandela.[/Quote]it is interesting to note that Muhammad [as] is the only leader in history that says women should not be harmed. that statement includes all non combatants; males and females, young and old alike. it was Muhammad [as] who gave rules of engagements in each of the wars under him, for muslims and if mankind follows it, mass murder in wars will not happen. america, the leading country invaded iraq, at just moments before the ground troop enters.


he told them to forget all the rules they have learned and that was that. you saw what happened. ghandi, mlk, etc, including mandela, all of them combined n their best day, their showing mercy when in position of authority, would not be equal to when Muhammad [as] is considered worthy of reminded of his value in surah abasa. imagine what ghandi would have done if he had power and the british were slaughtering his people of india? imagine what mlk would have done if he had power and the kkk were hanging blacks, openly?


if no powerful leader reacts to injustice, what kid of peace is he advocating other than stupidity? a true lover of peace is the powerful who forgave when all would have punished. the weak who forgives a powerful oppressor has no choice because his mercy or peaceful gesture is so because it helps him to safe his own skin, because may actually get killed if he raises to much of an opposition.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ a man who killed 100 worst of 1,000,000 bad people, when he could have easily and justifiably killed all of them, is a just and measured person when we compared him to a person in less strenuous condition, killed 2,000,000 people, women and children and old, all of them are defenseless people just because of one terrible man among them, worse just because they are not like him.

even melotzavitch of old chec republics gave the muslim kids candies, robbed hands on their head to show some affection and killed their fathers after that. he is a christian and the world stood still until the blood of islam was flowing like wine in a sailors convention. jesus as yahweh, under moses did not allow any jew to spare the lives of animals in some cases.

i don't know if you are married, regardless or less in love you may be with your unattractive wife, you will not allow a gang of armed robbers to ride her, one after the other, while they instruct you to fan them down because they are sweating in the act. as worse as you may be willing to spare their lives, if you had a gun, because this may just be your turn on, most people will fight even when they are coward at heart. all of the above is not like a sin committed against a city state; and madina was a city state.

[Quote]Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280:
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."

Muhammed on his death bed commanding his followers to expel the pagans from Arabia:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288:
Narrated Said bin Jubair:

Ibn 'Abbas said, "Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!" Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground . Then he said, "On Thursday the illness of Allah's Apostle was aggravated and he said, "Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something written to you after which you will never go astray." The people (present there) differed in this matter and people should not differ before a prophet. They said, "Allah's Apostle is seriously sick.' The Prophet said, "Let me alone, as the state in which I am now, is better than what you are calling me for." The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them." I forgot the third (order)" (Ya'qub bin Muhammad said, "I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, 'It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yama-ma and Yemen." Ya'qub added, "And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama."[/Quote]a book with no indication the title; is it bukhari, or muslim, or what? and no book is 100% correct unless its parts agrees with Quran. king Allah? finally a man narrates a hadith, he forgets the meat of the hadith, the 1/3 of the essence of it, but remembers it was when the messenger [as] was sick. none of the true narrations of the time that the messenger's last sickness that ended his life [as] forgets what he heard. a person who heard and remembered to tell us that the messenger who could not write, asked for writing material will not forget 1 of the 3 things that the prophet said, as t was going to be a thing that will guide you from being astray.

@Martian; « #288 on: Today at 06:16:45 AM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 05:12:26 AM
and since this man wanted us to talk about ban qurayza, below is what anti islamic entered about them, before they began the efforts to criticize the messenger [as]. one should ask what would Moses of the bibles [used to kill everything that moved and all living thing that was stationary [moses was the man commanded every follower of his to follow, even as he had followed moses]], could have done in this case?; www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/banu1.html - Cached
After a 25 days siege, they surrender unconditionally. , We will not argue the Banu Qurayza are 100% innocent angels, ,


i can post islamic website on the same issue, however the opponents will not argue that criminals should not be punished for their crimes. especially if they are muslims, the whole world muslims will be blamed, too. however, if it is muslim who who is going to punish the non muslm criminal, the role changes. the criminal now needs protection and the muslim becomes the boogie man; www.answering-christianity.com/, /counter_rebuttal_to_quennal_g, - Cached
So, the people set out, and the time for the prayer came while they were still , Their homes will be sacked and their wives violated by the attacking hordes. , 1- The execution of the men of the Banu Qurayza tribe was legit and not a crime , Note, Wherever sin has gone before judgement will follow after; and, ,

Your IQ is below room temperature.[quote][/Quote]thank Allah for this. the outcome is that when this IQ argues with you, Allah supports me with my brother's post above. i didn't present only islamic viewpoint. my brothers presented even what jews said as they looked at what non jews did to the jews when they conquer them. if i looked at what jewish leaders, their prophets did to non jews in wars, and what jesus as yahweh did to non children of israel by the hands of children of israel, my beloved Messenger [as] is the best conqueror a man or woman can ask for. and no sane soul will say that there is no crime that does not warrant punishment. a crime can be so horrifying that punishment must be metered.

sometimes, in the summer, the room temperature may rise up to the unbearable 150 or more degrees. imagine if the house catches fire. the room temperature will easily be higher.

@yommyuk; « #2 on: Today at 02:34:50 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:18:22 AM
^^^^^^ and when i point out to you that your book of word of God contains opinion of man, you will get mad instead of proving me wrong.


yomi, seee bi o ye ko seee ni yen ni?

God's Word is prefect. It has the power to restore, make wise, and give joy.

Godly individuals love God's word. It sheds light on their paths and keeps them from sin.

God's Word accompllishes its purpose and remains relevant forever.


@sweetnecta

Do you believe in the above statements? if not, then surely don't blame me or others for getting MAD at u.

It is just a natural response to pure ignorance Cool[/Quote]i would say i believe the above statement. but the bibles do not fulfill any that you wrote, above. the bibles are never free from opinions of men and they are not relevant forever, because all christians have abandoned the old testament part, by and large, in one form or another.

you can't deny the truth, yomi.

^^^^^^^^ some are lackeys, naturally.

[Quote]« #285 on: Today at 02:27:11 AM »

Funny how the apologists are yet to to explain what happened to the Jews of Banu Qurayza (Medina) but have gone into another strawman argument about quotes on the greatness of Muhammed . Here's what people said about Hitler:[/Quote]if Muhammad [as] were to have been alive when hitler raised his ugly head, divine guidance of the Commandment of The Owner of All Power would have guided the noblest of messenger [as] to mount just effort against him, to bring back hitler to the community of human, or perish him for extreme evil. hitler was an evil man and a true disbeliever.

Quran; 9.1 to 9.14 truly speak to believers to fight disbelieving evil doers. in the first half of the last century, there was no greater disbelieving evil doer than hitler. verse 9.6 encourages believers to show mercy on a disbeliever who is separating himself from evil as the believers are becoming very successful in just conflict against the community of evil doers, to establish justice in the land.

it is shameful to think you can bring hitler to the table to discuss the quality of the messenger of God.

and since this man wanted us to talk about ban qurayza, below is what anti islamic entered about them, before they began the efforts to criticize the messenger [as]. one should ask what would Moses of the bibles [used to kill everything that moved and all living thing that was stationary [moses was the man commanded every follower of his to follow, even as he had followed moses]], could have done in this case?; www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/banu1.html - Cached
After a 25 days siege, they surrender unconditionally. , We will not argue the Banu Qurayza are 100% innocent angels, ,


i can post islamic website on the same issue, however the opponents will not argue that criminals should not be punished for their crimes. especially if they are muslims, the whole world muslims will be blamed, too. however, if it is muslim who who is going to punish the non muslm criminal, the role changes. the criminal now needs protection and the muslim becomes the boogie man; www.answering-christianity.com/, /counter_rebuttal_to_quennal_g, - Cached
So, the people set out, and the time for the prayer came while they were still , Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. , 1- The execution of the men of the Banu Qurayza tribe was legit and not a crime , Note, Wherever sin has gone before judgement will follow after; and, ,