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^^^^^^ and when i point out to you that your book of word of God contains opinion of man, you will get mad instead of proving me wrong.


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[Quote]« #281 on: Today at 12:32:05 AM »

these r different tribes. They r not Quraysh. Tribes lyk for e.g. the Hashidis of the Hadhramut at first resisted conversion to islam but after eventually being forced to convert, they remained neutral and though sympathysing with other Pagan hill-tribes trying to resist conversion, the cowards neither sided with the Pagans or muslims and this saved them. they still exist today and remain one of the leading political tribes of Yemen.[/Quote]the pagan guy can preach his deceit all day long. a mere 600 years or so ago, in spain, the muslims ruled it for almost 800 years and there were christians and jews in this very spain, at that time.

it was when christianity dominated it that not just ruling or expulsion was enough, but inquisition by inquiring to the lives of individuals to know who was not a christian was applied to kill of islam, until the 20th century when it begins to return because of migration or immigration.

a group that rule another for almost 800 years could have annihilated its subject, if it was its moral duty to not allow to remain anyone other than his type to exist. the situation in spain then is a testament now, to what slam truly is.

we can use india before england came in. india was also rule for almost 800 years without forcing non muslims to convert or die. and there was no time in the middle east that no non muslims exist. maybe people are dubiously mistaken islam for judaism or christianity. islam is neither.

@Golamike; If you accuse me of any evil, I will demand from Oluwaseun Osewa the owner of nairaland to gve me you details, so that I can sue you for defamation of character.

You can run, you can't hide. The Yorubas say, "taba faa gburu, gburu aa fa gbo". Seun has your details, and this world is global village, now.

when you say i am a sleeper cell, you are now making a statement that you may have to back up with facts; Islam does allow me to seek a redress.

if i accuse you I will be able to go to court and prove my accusation. you just can't open your mouth and empty whatever in it without proof. I live in the US, and a law abiding citizen. when i was younger, i didn't get into anything evil, at my present age, i will not let you lie against me.

The arms of laws will trap you and drag you to proof yourself. nigeria or where ever you maybe has rules that guide what a person says of another.

That being said; verse 9.5 should be read and understood in context. it applied then, and it may apply in the future if the then prevailing conditions prevail in the future.

Was 9.5 in isolation then and isolation for the future use? No.

Did Allah just say to believers to attack the "peaceful, non threatening pagans" just because they were not muslims? No.

Why did Allah reveal this verse 9.5, then? So that muslims who have been oppressed and the oppressors did not cease to oppress can now ward off the oppressions of the oppressors. Afterall, muslims died in these wars and the messenger [as] was feared killed n Gazwatu Huud.Below is 9.5 in Scriptural context;


[Quote]9;1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.

9;2 Sahih International
So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.

9:3 Sahih International
And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.

9:4 Sahih International
Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

9:5 Sahih International
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

9:6 Sahih International
And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

9:7 Sahih International
How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

9:8 Sahih International
How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.

9:9 Sahih International
They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing.

9:10 Sahih International
They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors.

9:11 Sahih International
But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know.

9:12 Sahih International
And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.

9:13 Sahih International
Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

9:14 Sahih International
Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people[/Quote]can anyone tell me if there is a verse that is not part of the essay of instruction, above, anyone of them before and or after 9.5? as i read it, i find that a person who simply takes out 9.5 as the beckon of his agenda has done an awful thing. he would have been better for him to have said of buster douglas that he saw mike tyson in tokyo japan and he just hithim with rapid jabs and uppercuts and mike was flat on the floor. or to day of evander holyfield that he saw the same mike tyson many years later off the las vegas strip and couldn't help himself to to hit him so hard and flattened him. a boxing aficionado will laugh such a storyteller[s]. the truth the whole world knew, except the storyteller[s] were either blind to truth or mere stooges against truth.

i could have presented more verse to show the flow of the 'stories' and instructions in the Quran. but i may just be dealing with hardened minds who are determined to be deceitful, anyways. God knows the Truth, and He strengthened the heart of believers to accept it.

@ajigglin; and you didn't apply 'in context' to Islamic scripture. what does that say about your process of argument? hypocrisy has a way of letting honest mind detects that insincerity is on the prowl.

And sagamite thinks peaceful community live was developed by the west. he needs to read the charter of the city of Madina under the Messenger [as]. women had their privileged, then, something the west has not been able to meet because, believe it or not, after they burned their bras [and it is not compulsory that women should wear bras, anyways], they find the glass ceiling which they are yet to break.

if Islam forbids anything, you will find a greater evil in it, while in your rage, all you focus on is the less good that you don't have to use any sense to deduce.

and when the disbelievers kill, because they have no spiritual law to guide their conscience concerning death, the over kill;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVVfh9ZNrE&NR=1



^^^^^^ this is after many muslims have been slaughtered.

america, since she had became a world leader had never declared anyone guilty without due process. then it came to Islam, everything changed.



@Martian; you need to go back to space where you come from. leave the dialogue to humans. its a human issue while you are martian/alien from space. you should watch some of the videos i posted, because you will see what you bold as fact.

@emmatok;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTm72CB2VCs&NR=1

you will see bush talking about his god, so s general wiliam boyhken. darn human worshipers thinking that they can overcome their Creator.

@Danzal2009; ^^^^^^^^ i do live in the USA. and what bush said on camera is on youtubel it is in a series of christian missionary atrocities. lie to yourself. you can't lie to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br_70Kbdpow



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWNst2YduRg&NR=1



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5gawnUeY&playnext=1&list=PL16842B1B8F42C33D

@seanT: « #202 on: Yesterday at 09:28:29 PM »
[Quote]LagosShia, you are the worst debater on this forum.

Sweetnecta close behind.

Your posting of those biblical scriptures doesn't prove anything.[/Quote]this is good news that i am regarded in the same string as lagosshia. i guess biblical verses do not prove anything to seant. i can live with that.



@Sagamite « #205 on: Yesterday at 10:13:23 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: ziccoit on Yesterday at 09:59:03 PM
All the Biblical verses certainly have no single blemish. By 'Biblical verses' I meant those that came from GOD and His Messenger. The error popped up when human began to smuggle in some verses to suite their wayward dispositions.

The Quran as a whole contain message directly from Allah alone. There is no single error in the book. It is error free. We start having problems when people that don't even qualify to call themselves students of Quran and Hadiths start misinterpreting the verses of Noble Quran.

 Here I come, a Muslim engaging in violence act is truly going against the teaching of Islam. Quran contains the history, the directives, rules and guidelines etc. Thinking this is religion obligation could never be right. I know what I am saying. You can't just quote a verse containing a directive to fight from history and think this where the Muslim see the evidence to go violent. You need a lot of knowledge to interpret the Quran.    

Now the issue there is that, it is so easy for any fooool to go out in a lot of countries and he will be able to gather a lot of muslims that will be happy to kill under the belief that the scriptures has instructed them. In no other religion can anyone easily and rapidly find the same amount of people (if at all) willing to do such based on a religious conviction.

If the scriptures is not teaching it, yet there are a lot of muslims that think it is and are gong-ho to execute it by slaughtering others, don't you think this is a big problem, it has destroyed Islams reputation and needs to be dealt with instead of burying your head in the sand with lame excuses?[/Quote]shouldn't common sense tells us that those people who are going against 'the scripture' are hypocrites and ignorant and evil doers n spite of being warned by the scripture not to?



@emmatok; « #208 on: Yesterday at 10:51:37 PM »
[Quote]LagosShia sound like Eko Ile .

Se him quoting irrelevant scriptures to defend himself.

HOW MANY CHRISTIANS HAVE YOU SEEN KILLING PEOPLE, BACKING IT WITH SCRIPTURES.

BUT EVERY MUSLIMS JIHADS QUOTES THE SCRIPTURES TO DEFEND THEIR ACTIONS.[/Quote]while these 'jihadists' are wrong, the crusader emperor bush made sure many died in iraq without any tie to 9/11, using false reason however,which paved way for the chrstians preaching and GI winning souls for jesus. what was the reason bush invaded and slaughtered iraqis except for his religion. ironically, he used the force of the most powerful military organization in the world to do it. did you forget abu graib?



@Sagamite (m)
[Quote]London (Don't let me catch you giving a stupid opinion on this forum)« #209 on: Yesterday at 10:56:24 PM »[/Quote]and he gives the type of opinion he is railing against.



[Quote]Quote from: ziccoit on Yesterday at 10:38:26 PM
This is where we always get it wrong. Prophet Muhammed (peace be unto Him) was the one who gave a complete explanation of what Islam means by His sayings, deeds and actions. We also know that, there is nothing in-between. You either a Muslim or non-Muslim.

 Should my physics teacher and the subject (Physics) be blamed for my misinterpretation of the teacher and the subject matter when others are getting it right? NO. This is a pond of ignorant most people are swimming in. The people even in the face of heavy proofs to the contrary start to nail Islam, Quran and the Prophet for a mistake committed by a deranged ones.

 There is more to this Oga. You must know people are hiding under hypocrisy to deface Islam. I am not justifying anything here but look at this. When an Israelite murder a Palestine, he is called a gallant soldier but when the opposite happened the Palestine is a terrorist.

 An average Muslim especially from the South loves his Christians fellow by Heart. I have many instances that make me believe Christians are more cruel and intolerance to the Muslims and any ideas that has to do with Islam. We can go on and on and on, the truth is Islam has nothing to do with how a people misinterpret the scripture.  

So Prophet Muhammed has given an explanation, yet a lot of muslims do not understand this explanation and are willing to kill indiscriminately. And you think it is not a huge problem? Remember, we are talking of A LOT of muslims (millions).[/Quote]1 billion is 1,000 millions. so 1.5 billions will be 1,500 millions. what % are the suicide bombers, etc that we blame the whole of 1,500,000,000 people on? if 50% i see a half full cup nstead of the disliked half empty. if 25% i see 75% full cup instead of 25% empty. if 10% i see 90% full cup instead of 10% empty. i will the condition of the christians alone. i will not even look at the condition of the jews. neither allows people to be who they were in history, which was not the case in Madina of Muammad [as].



[Quote]No other religion has that kind of problem, only the religion of peace has a problem with violence and you think it should not be addressed and claiming people are "defacing" Islam?[/Quote]the jews said they kill the God of the christians, the christians are happy. Is the one who stood by when Jesus was killed according to the bible not equal to the killers, if the christians believe that those of us who were not alive are guiltyfor  the sins of Adam and Eve, arent the christians killers of Jesus just as the jews? what is the worth of the life of jesus; equal to 1 person or billions of people? are the christians not mass murderers, therefore?



@ibukun obi « #211 on: Yesterday at 11:03:12 PM »
[Quote]jehovah's witnesses have lived qietly for over 120 years without carrying anything like gun or amunition, they remain the most peaceable people under the sun. they will never fight war or join army. infact they are already enjoying the spiritual paradise mentioned. why not make yourself available to these pple and let them teach you why there is so much violence in this crocked and twisted generation that has defied all psychologycal solution?[/Quote]and they have not even died and they can't escape death. is this truly their paradise as the Messenger [as] said? this is truly a testament to the authenticity.



@M M M 3 (m)
[Quote]IF I WAZ MY POPSI, I FOR BE D RICHEST GUY IN NAIRALAND DOWN TOWN PUERTO RICO.
« #212 on: Today at 12:06:09 AM »

Op
Becos muslims has turn dere self 2 SUCICIDE BOMBER, evev in 9ja and other country in d world 2day.[/Quote]can anyone tell me what this dude is saying? i can read ebonics, but this is too sophisticated for me.
No offence!![quote][/Quote]



@Caliente « #213 on: Today at 12:51:32 AM »
[Quote]By their fruits we shall know them. Islam is a religion/cult of violence and terror, whether its mohammed or almajiri[/Quote]kkk, arian nation, skinhead, etc. they are all muslims.

@Sagamite; « #97 on: Today at 01:45:27 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: abubello on Today at 01:20:19 PM
sagamite

So  all l the palestinians killed were killede at war?

No 1, let me make it clear that I am not saying Palestinians are not facing injustice.

No 2, most times the killing of Palestinians is during conflict, they are not some sitting ducks being killed for their religion or being non-believers (basically they are not being killed in the name of religion). They have some retards intentionally killing innocents of people more powerful than them who then retaliate.

No 3, these Palestinians killed during conflict, not for religion will not compare to the amount killed by Islamic fundamentalists who think their religion is disrespected and kill for religion.[/Quote]if  have a nickel for every time somebody lied about zionism and palestinians i will be billionaire just by it. the jews lost 6 millions in a conflict. what do you think the palestinians lost by the hands of the zionist part of the same jews since 1946 or so; count with me
a nation.
an identity
and if only 50,000 dies per year as a result of this, only in the first 20 years, 1 million people. the slaughters of palestinians in the refugee's camps where hordes of people spent their entire lives in these places. i have met many palestinians who never have seen palestine and definitely eager to go, if the opportunity presents itself, without the heavy boot of new nazist  zionism. the jews kill palestinians for not being  jews. jew as a religion. jew as an ethnic people. by the way they were the first to bomb properties and collateral [innocent humans] to achieve their goal; the state of israel by being victorious over the british with terror.
finally, before the jews, there were no conflicts within the palestinian people, irrespective of their religions.




[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 01:23:45 PM
first let me ask you to get a dictionary.secondly i will present to your the verse in question in different Quran translations.lastly,i will present to you the the commentary by a famous Quranic exegesis.

Pickthall:
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

Yusuf Ali:
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

English Quranic Commentary on Verse 2:190 by Ayatollah Agha Mehdi Pooya:

I must first say that I struggle to understand all these religious stuff written in Arabic. My concentration goes quick. You can make my life much easier by trying to interpret in simple English as often as you can.

From my understanding so far, are you saying the Quran terms "hostilities" that justifies "self-defense" through violence/fight as aggression, transgression, and ascribing falsehood to Allah and His last prophet?

These "aggression, transgression, and ascribing falsehood to Allah and His last prophet" are what is termed as oppression, persecution, seduction by the Quran?[/Quote]if the bold is your status, Quran is not a thing you argue against. you need to read it, believe in it and it will better your memory. let me say to you in simple english; God says do not fight anyone, except those who fight you because of their intent to disturb your commitment to the religion of Islam given to you by Allah. Those who start fights are aggressors and God do not like those who are aggressors.

@Sagamite; « #108 on: May 31, 2011, 12:20 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on May 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
@Sagamite; « #89 on: Today at 10:41:32 AM »what if the people have understood the religion wrongly? could you still blame the religion, instead of the evil doers. similar to those who have used Sham the son of Noah to abuse black people as they understand it from their bible?

You mean people in Nigeria, Philippines, Afghanistan, UK, USA, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Mauritania, Algeria, Spain, France, Indonesia, Iraq, Chechnya, Pakistan, Holland, Somalia and so on and so forth are frequently misunderstanding the religion?

How many people have you seen use Sham abuse black people?

That is a lame comparison, mate. I never even heard of that till this second.

It is as lame as me saying some muslims knowingly eat pork, hence muslims don't mind eating pork just like Xtians.[/Quote]Glory belongs to Allah. If you think I ran away from you as you claimed in the other thread, I will ask if you think you hold any value that will make me do it? Absolute self importance is your problem. do live in the USA, and all the muslim friends that I have from young adults n their 20s to a former 2nd WW veteran. none of them is violent, because they obey what Allah says in the Quran and follow the example of the Messenger [as] and his sahabah [ra]. You are from Shagamu you said. I know plenty non muslims from that town who are arrogant as hell and you cant trust them to standby you, in times of support. Some of them are from big family names. If they are muslims, they will be doing good for the pleasure of God, based on their worldliness. And you have not heard of the Slave traders nor the KKK who have used Sham in the bible to oppress black people. ask dayokanu. he lives in america am sure he knows about the kkk and the white supremacists in texas. Its shocking that you are unaware of the condition of black people based on sham. the evil of anyone, i am not responsible for it. and you will not expect that out of 1.5 bilon peoples there will not be a number of them that are deviants. may Allah guide every muslim. Amin. but the christian says in the gathering of 13 people, there is a judas. so what do you expect of 1.5 billion peoples, and how many judas[es] in the christian community?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on May 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
they say whosoever pays the piper, dictates the tune. if muslims controls the media, you will find that islam is not criticized but muslims are honestly criticized if the media are honest. with all the evil that jews and christians commit, their religions are off limit, for good reasons; they control the tv, the print, the news.

Sorry, please highlight what muslims that control the media in Muslim countries have done in regards to condemning terrorism viciously.

What evil do Xtains and Jews do that is not criticized?[/Quote]i am sure Aljazirah does not condone terrorism. thedeenshow.com, theyoungturks show [tyt.com], are just a few. and you live in england? chritians missionaries from korea and others are in afghanistan for starters, musims are the ones exposing them. check christian missionary atrocities video on youtube. the christian usa military do say 'jesus killed muhammad and the video sets are on youtube, too. jews rape palestinian women in 'if americans only knew what the jews are doing' also on youtube.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on May 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
there is nothing wrong with fundamentalism in its purity. secondly, a liar can say he his a fundamentalist. the word infidel is found in the bible and not in the Quran, why say it is islamic when it is from christianity, unless the bible is not the essence of christianity? this video is a start to let you know what muslims have been doing against injustice. and for a man who is living in england, the muslim community in that nation has consistently plays a pivotal role in the so called war on terrorism which irish people didn't play against the ira in her days. i remember late senator kennedy raising monies for the irish effort in the usa.
http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=listvideo&sid=61&id=872
this video will lead you to other series so that you are better educated.

Sorry. My apologies, I don't read the Bible or the Quran so I might mix-up with the infidel thing.

Ok, will I be right when I say they kill Kafirs? Is that islamic enough?

I live in England and I can confidently tell you that the muslims were doing almost nada until the last 7 years.[/Quote]you will be right to say kill the kafirs in the same way you will be right to say kill the area boys who invaded your home in the middle of the night and began to mount your women. if you do not kill them, then you are better castrated or make yourself go away from the women who may have to look at your face to see how much you stood their watching them go through the horror of gang banging. you ask me to be honest, this is honesty, maaannnn. and i live in the usa and we did everything from the very first day. rather before that because islam itself is an advise. if you are not even knowledgeable about whose book we find the word infidel, why are you talking about it?



[Quote]No 1, after years of violence against, threats against or insult on their host country by some muslims, it really is lame muslims then did not do much to protect their image until the last 7 years, you even have some giving covert support with the normal "they were provoked", "stop provoking them and it will not happen".[/Quote]islam entered america before the whites came to her shores. it was the christians ho have and are still in one form or the other kill and or oppress people. and oppression is worse than killing, and we remember what france did to algeria in just few decades ago. are you for real?



[Quote]No 2, some very few muslims (mostly in the Muslim Council of Britain) is not strong enough to mitigate the magnitude of the atrocities being frequently committed in UK and globally. We need to see more major muslim outcry.

Muslims coming out enmass on the streets in outrage when someone draws Mohammed in Denmark but are no where to be found when someone takes a Xtian 65 year old grandfather and videos himself slicing his throat shouting "Allahu Akbar" is mooronic and does not help the image of Islam as a "religion of peace".

When muslims start coming out in outrage ENMASS for things like the latter, then you will see the reduction in demonisation of the religion. Worse still when things similar to the latter happens more frequently than the former.[/Quote]i hope you were old enough when saddam hussaine invaded kuwait? it was with the nod of agreement from bush senior. same rumfeld that used to shake his hands, was the same hypocrite that made sure 'shock and awe' destroyed iraq. i guess chrstians are friends in fair weather? i will give you one thing; muslims need to raise a 'military force' to combat any evil conducted by muslims. but will the non muslim elites allow the muslims to police themselves, so that they can kill the snake before it raises its ugly head? and sometimes, we are not able to control what many of our segments do. just like the western countres were not able to control what george bush dd, but were bullied to join n, otherwise they will be labelled as being with the enemy. te bullying is such an evil thing.



[Quote]Majority of muslims are not doing enough and ARE not interested enough in condemning those that they claim wrongly interpret the religion. In my opinion, there are a lot of (if not majority) of muslims that are comfortable and tolerant of the violence as they see it as a tool of force to protect Islam and Islamic interest/people. Basically the "they shouldn't dare mess with us". Please highlight to me how many times any of the 1.5 Billion or so muslims have come out enmass on the street to protest the frequent use of Islam to commit atrocities (like even killing a non-muslim that has left his/her country to go to a war-torn muslim country to help muslims and had been helping for years?. But yet if you mention Mohammed's pants, you are guaranteed there will be some kafirs murdered somewhere for the ""provocation"and thousands of muslims on the street demonstrating their "anger". Secondly, they are too bothered about protecting the religion than attacking the people that do evil in the name of the religion. They even play the "victim" card when people are annoyed people can kill in the name of islam.[/Quote]it seems as if you are between making comments and passing judgment. yet you stopped that i should point out, as highlighted; iran of all countries protsted and lit candles, when america was attacked on september 11. i guess you were away from news in this time. pakistan supported america and so were other muslim majority asian countries. and there were afghans who fought along side america and her team of countries.



[Quote]That ridiculous mentality of muslims seeing other muslims as "our muslim brothers and sisters" that lead to double standard (at the expense on non-muslims) in respect for human welfare and human life that majority of muslims stand up for (or not), has to fcking stop. A muslim, a muslim's life, a muslim's rights or Islam is not more important than a Kafir's.[/Quote]you seem to have ignorantly ranted. the Quran says stand firm against injustice. it means stands for justice. a muslim who doesn't has himself to blame and you can't blame slam that commands him otherwise. do you blame islam for a person who commits adultery or it is him that you must blame for going against islam? think man.

@Dayokanu: « #179 on: Today at 06:47:25 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 05:58:41 PM
Muslims were in the mix of those who protested. Yet George Bush said to every one of the Christian to "K--s off". What is the value of protests that makes no impact? In Texas, during the reign of Bush, somebody said "F--k you" to Cheney, the same thing he had said to Senator Leahy of Vermont, the secret service got the guy down the road.

Muslims protests and have TV shows denouncing any ounce of evil committed and discouraging ignorance that will lead a person to commit any; WWW.TheDEEN SHOW.COM and there are many more that you can learn about Islam.

They protested against Bush and Israel which goes to show that they dont support it.

If you protest against something what does that mean? It doesnt matter if your wish gets done at the end or not, the Fact is that you dont support it and George Bush did not act based on their wishes.

When would moderate Moslems do the same and condemn publicly the "extremists"[/Quote]There was no protest from conservative christians, and almost the whole congress body; senate and house of representatives supported the war against Iraq, and those who went against it were the ultra liberals. Lets leave it to the christians because here in NYC, the jews are advocating the killing of all palestinians, just like the nazis did of them in the 1940s.



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Your Ogbomosho people who are muslims are head and shoulders better in human decency than Benjamin Adekunle from the same Ogbomosho who didn't see a human moving that he would not want to kill.

By the way, i am a yoruba man, so there is no ethnic bashing in my statement.

What did Benjamin Adekunle do that was bad? In case you dont know he is well revered in the town as a man who avenged the gruesome killing of a prominent Ogbomoso man Ladoke Akintola.

It was in a war situation, if the Ibos dont have scruples killing our leader on his bed in front of his wife, for not committing any offense, why should Adekunle have any scruples about repaying back in 100 folds[/Quote]tell you are too young to know the terror of Adekunle first hand and you were told the beauty of his "handwork" by evil minded Christians who refused to obey the turn the other cheek of jesus Christ? Ladoke Akintola, though i liked the man, and i know that you have said he was your grand Uncle, was no longer an ogbomosho property when he went into politics. you live in the USA, at least you should know that politicians are public figures. Killing a people because of their death is almost bordering genocide. Unfortunately, this was a crime of christians against christians. i remembered the evil jack gowon got married to victoria and spend millions of pounds on that wedding while nigerians were being slaughtered by nigerians. this is the good thing you are comparing islam to be inferior to?

Adekunle didn't stop at 100 folds, more like 10s of 1000 folds. we in high school then used to say he was drinking human blood. and if adekunle was a muslim, he would have known that Muhammad [as] said not to kill women and children and non combatants. Neither Ojukwu nor Gowon who are christians stopped at killing anything that moved, too. I remember that the biafrans raped the heck out of bini women. All of you were christians and none of these behaviors was advocated by Jesus. you dont see muslims blaming Christianity, until you blame Islam for the evil of deviant muslims. i am sure dayokanu is better than what he wrote. he must have been improved from his former ogbomosho bloodletting in the style of adekunle to bush junior preemptive strike cowboy mentality.

@Dayokanu: I guess you remembered that muslims protested against Saddam Hussaine when he invaded Kuwait? I also guess that you remembered that Muslims protested and supported USA, even Iran of all nations when 911 happened? I guess you remembered that there was no reason or the reason for fighting Iraq this time around by baby Bush was false reason? Or my dear brother in humanity, did you not remember?


@Donspony: « #160 on: Today at 04:27:47 PM »
[Quote]Your response is futile
You point to an Isreali jew stoning a dog and label it example of stoning?  Huh
Jews don't believe in Christ nor the new testament, so . . .

I bet you'd ploughed hundred of pages with no credible article.

Your second reply about devoutness just highlights the inherent problem in Islam.
I'd choose a devout christian all day
However the same can't be said of a devout muslim ?[/Quote]Yet, to the first bold, the Christians and Jesus their god and savior lord did not discard the OT. Who is the hypocrites now? And make your choice at your own peril of the second bold. If emperor George Bush is a sample of the devout christians, you will suffer preemptive strike, and all rules of war will go out of the window until you are done with.



[Quote]Clearly a billion christians the world over see those referred scriptures least once in their lifetime
Say even a tiny percentage are devout
How many chose to implement it, .   Undecided[/Quote]this shows that the christians are devotees or hypocrites? Please tell us what you call those who will not implement the instructions of their God?



@akpanbaba; « #161 on: Today at 04:31:27 PM »
[Quote]It is big surprise that people who should be ashamed of this religion that feeds on blood are now defending it.Let them be bold to say that Islam, as  practised in the North  cannot thrive without voilence whether it is boko haram or maitasine etc.I can only say that Islam really means peace in the Western part of Nigeria but it means violence and terror in the North and only their ALLAH knows which KORAN is being used in the North.We have to live with this violence as killings will never stop in the north because it is their character to kill in the name of religion.[/Quote]Hello. North is not the home of islam; not every northerner is muslim and not every muslim is northerner. If i say what you didn't say, would that automatically make you blame worthy of what i said  you said? this is the reason we muslims are telling you to educate yourselves about islam before you heap what you heap on her because of the evil of individuals. why don't you judge these individuals by what islam says, rather than judging islam by what they do?

@divinereal: « #167 on: Today at 04:59:26 PM »
{Quote]And this is how this topic relates to us as Nigierians:

http://blueprintng.com/index/2011/06/boko-haram-we-have-lined-up-over-100-militants-for-suicide-bombings/



Boko Haram: We have lined up over 100 militants for suicide bombings
June 26th, 2011 | 1 Comment

The very first insight into the inner workings of Nigeria’s militant network


Mohammed Manga, smiling, bids goodbye to his colleagues as he sits in the car he would drive to Abuja for the suicide attack. He holds an AK-47 rifle between his thighs
[quote][/Quote]I can't read your 'too' long post. However, committing suicide and killing innocent soul are part of what are forbidden. those who do what are forbidden are sinners because they are hypocrites, disbelievers, etc, but they can't be true believers.

Christians should be ashamed of themselves, if their argument to support their peaceful religion is directing us to see that they abandoned their holy book. are they christians or are they pretenders, is what i wanna know, since they claim not practice stoning and others, all in their Holy Bibles?

[Quote]« #168 on: Today at 05:09:50 PM »

When George Bush was going to war in Iraq, Millions od Xtians worldwide and even in America went on the streets to protest against this.

Many Xtian countries and Million of xtians campaign against Israel on a daily basis.

When are we going to see the "Moderate Moslems" protest against the "Few" radicals and fundamentalists?[/Quote]Muslims were in the mix of those who protested. Yet George Bush said to every one of the Christian to "K--s off". What is the value of protests that makes no impact? In Texas, during the reign of Bush, somebody said "F--k you" to Cheney, the same thing he had said to Senator Leahy of Vermont, the secret service got the guy down the road.

Muslims protests and have TV shows denouncing any ounce of evil committed and discouraging ignorance that will lead a person to commit any; WWW.TheDEEN SHOW.COM and there are many more that you can learn about Islam. Your Ogbomosho people who are muslims are head and shoulders better in human decency than Benjamin Adekunle from the same Ogbomosho who didn't see a human moving that he would not want to kill.

By the way, i am a yoruba man, so there is no ethnic bashing in my statement.

@sagamite; « #130 on: Today at 02:58:36 PM »
[Quote]LagosShia, what is the point of all this quotes?

Xtians are not the ones killing people as a religious duty, are they?

Xtians are not the ones with religious leaders preaching killing people as a religious duty, are they?[/Quote]the killings that go on daily around the world committed by Christians are numerous. if you claim that their religion is not the reason they kill, then their religion is ineffective to stop them. thats just as good as the reason they kill. i am not praising my values, now; just as an example, only less than 24 hours ago did i talk a spanish christian from smoking a chinese christian. his religion had no values, until Allah brought me a muslim in NYC to talk sense into his head in LA. further, pat robertson preached for the killing of ugo chavez and ahmadinnejja. do you know how many conservative christians are eager to carry the order of pat?




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Re: Why Is It That Islamic Religion Is Link With Violence And Terror.
« #131 on: Today at 03:00:52 PM »

Quote from: donspony on Today at 02:47:47 PM
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So how many christians actually follow this in the real sense.
Least we are able to differentiate between old and new testament.[/Quote]thank God that you confess that the Christians are hypocrites who refuse to obey their bibles; OT and NT, while Jesus obeyed the OT that these hypocrites shun. Or is the OT not part of the christian bibles, regardless of the many versions and editions, there is no complete christian bible that has no OT in it. Are these people thinking before they write nonsense about Islam or Allah has blocked their senses, so that we can see how naive they are? I take the later view so that the former view is a byproduct of it.




@mbulela « #132 on: Today at 03:05:34 PM »
[Quote]I am unable to go through all the posts.
However, i have a related question that i have found unanswered in the light of this issue being discussed.

Why are moderate muslims quiet in the face of the perceived disgrace that the extremists and violent lot are bringing to their faith?
Why have moderate muslims never taken to the streets to protest against Alqaeda and boko haram?
why are the moderates whose lives reflect the peace that the Holy Prophet (PBUH) preaches making no attempts to ostracize these terrorists?
Their silence is deafening and worrying for people like myself who can count several fine muslims as friends.[/Quote]i see that your view on Islam is local. or national instead of being global. you have peaceful muslims as friends, isn't that a thing to assure you of the conscience of islam? and you never asked your friends why they are so different from AlQaidah or Boko Haram, yet you are asking us, strangers? this is a misplaced methodology of getting to the truth. around the world, long time before 1970's when PLO began their real fights against their oppressors, the zionists, Islam has been commanding Muslims to be peaceful and only fight oppressions. Look in the pages of the Quran. no war or conflict started by Muslims.




@golamike « #134 on: Today at 03:09:11 PM »
[Quote]@lagosshia
Malam lagosshia[b] i suppose u probably know more than the northern muslims[/b], very impressive. Because some Christian leaders' are against the idea of islamic bank then it amounts to an act of terror on muslims in Nigeria? This is simply incoherent! So if u have a different opinion about a matter, that makes u a terrorist. I now understand why muslims, whether educated or not, are the same (bunch of militants), always looking for d slightest opportunity to unleash mayhem on d receiving Christians.[/Quote]Islam is not the property of northern nigerians and Alhamdulillah, sadly to proof this point, you have Boko Haram from among them. Many Arab muslims are ignorant of this noble religion so it will not be a thing of surprise to see Northern Nigerian muslims, many who are ignorant, too. Yet you will find from Igbo, Calabar and others who are students of high quality of Islam. islam is an individual thing, the reason we have even arab christians. could you definite Terrorism and apply it to any first grade world nations, you find terrorists among them. and t is only in christianity we have "Christian soldiers" and calling people [in the Bibles], Infidels. There is no muslim army because we lack fortitude and we are concern about what others think, while the christians call themselves Christian soldiers all that long.




[Quote]Who forced those muslim students to enroll in a Christian University? Every religious institution of learning, whether Christian or muslim, has its norms and u have a choice to either accept their rules and regulations or leave for good. How is that a problem? Second display of folly!
Lastly Nigeria is not an Islamic country so d issue of Islamic bank died even before conception. I wonder how some people always look for reasons to impose their selfish interests on others . They wanted (or still want Sharia) and now islamic  bank in a country with many religions. Isn't this funny?[Quote]please apply this same quality to possible islamic banking. or do the muslims have to wait until christians established a christian bank in Nigeria before they are able to establish Islamic bank, while Islam is supposed to lead instead of following? What Islam had trail blazed for generations; video or separate gender education, the world is just catching up to it now by the concept of distance learning. why can't the world and nigerians calm down and let Islam show them the way?[/quote][/quote]

[Quote]« on: Today at 10:37:00 AM »

This is in no way intended to stir up controversy,but to get to the minds of millions of Nigerias,muslims and chrisitians alike.Is islam a violent religion world over or just in Nigeria.
I ask this question because,if I am to be sincere with my self,each time I hear terrorism or bomb,what comes to my mind is Islam,Arab. Is this violence religious or ethnic?
Putting Nigeria predominantly muslim North and with a link to Arab world into perspective,one wonders what is actually responsible for the constant violence that emanates from that region. If I say it is religion, I will remember that we have Yorubas who practice Islam,yet they are not violent.If I think it to be ethnic,I remember that countries like Qatar,Saudi Arabia etc of Arab origin practice moderate islam.
So N/Ls,what do you think is actually the problem with our Northern neighbours[/Quote]and the has arrived from the fingers of the oped, goose1, that northern nigerian Islam is more conservative than the Islam of the land of the messenger [as].

what a load of crock!

i as a muslim apologize to my northern people, but then, i need to let the below out on jamalah. he claims islam for the northerners as if it belongs to them; it does not.^^^^^You should blame the hausa/fulani/gambari axis that have bastardized Islam; a a way of life that includes entities in heavens. Alhamdulillah, i am a muslim, and just like entrepreneurs who started those banks in Nigeria, any wealthy Nigerian, including muslims and others, collectively or individually can start more banks and financial houses.

American Express and other outfits are banks, in the America you seem to know so well. Is it the word Islam that upset every persons standing against it, and should we blame Abdul Mutallab senior for his son's evil agenda, and wanting to help his father from Riba, he invited him to nothing better?

The messenger [as] said the RIBA of Abbas ibn Abd Mutallib is under my foot [not collectable, cancelled]. The young mutallab couldn't use this example to help his father.

Look, man. Islam does not belong to any ethnic group and definitely, not to the hausas. Alhamdulillah, eastern and others are muslims quietly while the north are copying the mentality of the arabs that ended the office the caliphate on the ottoman turks. Islam is not even that of the arabs.



[Quote]« #29 on: Today at 09:43:51 AM »

@akanbi
i am muslim but perhaps not your type of 'muslim'. let me tell you the issue here is pluralism. we need to respect the feelings and aspirations of each and every member of the society. look at the united states for instance. can you guess the percentage  of man-loving-men and lady-loving-ladies: 0.7% of the population and no politician will be bold enough to come out and castigate them or relegate their interest to the gutters. but here is a central bank governor boldly pronouncing over the bbc that he does not care for the concerns of 50% of the populace. imagine a politician doing that in the us, i am sure that is the end of his career.[/Quote]pat robertson of the 700 club in the 1988 or 1992 republican primaries, being a conservative was and still against same gender relationship to date. i think you based your assumption on what liberal north east spearheaded by NYS just did. law against sodomy is in the books in america.



[Quote]muslims, especially of the north still live with  the mentality of the middle ages when they held sway over arabia where the population was homogeneous. in a case like that of naija we need to fashion out a way lo live with others not in dominion but respect for each other.

it is the mentality of spiritual superiority that created the boko haram taliban and of course sanusi's constipated idea os islamic banking : that some very few pple know what is good for the whole populace and they must be forced to obey those wishes.[/Quote]more like ignorance, because arrogance, which superiority or supremacy mindset is part is not found in the affairs that was completed on Muhammad [as].



[Quote]creating policy by fiat and force are outdated and they will never stand the test of time.

in the first place banking is not the priority of muslims in the north. a populace that has been decimated by corruption, feudalism (the like promoted by sanusi and his fore fathers) illiteracy and many other unspeakable extremities does not need all this drama. you only save and invest when you have enough to spare. what with a person that is even yet to feed himself. let me tell you  i grew up in the heart of kano city and i know the level of poverty and deprivation suffered by our pple. when you talk of banks in kano, the biggest northern commercial hub it is clustered around a very small enclave of the kwari market and bello road and by and large they only service traders in sabon gari market and kwari textile market.[/Quote]when the northern muslims abandon the very foundation of islam, knowledge, the outcome is dire, as it on my country. no wonder the beautiful word; Almuhajiruun is wasted and ridiculed on the 'almajirins'. you need to preach to your people because i do not speak your language and you people [not all] have tarnished the noble religion.



[Quote]these are traders who only seek for a place to keep their money. they know very little about investment and dont even trust such ventures. a lot of them keep hard cash in their shops because their trading is not cheque-based and they cant be bothered with running to the bank every now and then. that is why when the annual fire occurs in these markets we hear of millions burnt to ashes in their shops.

the other banks are all salary 'banks'. when i used to work in kura local govt branch of afribank, the only activity is at the end of the month when the monthly subvention of cash comes from the central govenment. the chairman withdraws everything and tips us and the branch manager and that is it. we wait for another month ending. where is the investment? and that is why the jaiz bank never took off in the first place.

whether we like it or not the bulk of the banking activities, more than 80% by some estimates, are located in the lagos axis.

oue priority in the north are three things: education education education[/Quote]and you didnt blow the whistle on the corrupt ma? you seem to be part of the problem, or do you think you are part of the solution?

^^^^^^^^^^^ mouth clean, but hands are dirty with blood of innocents, because you have to appease you hand made gods?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ while no one says there is no bad egg or bad sheep in the family we call muslim, Islam is the reason they are bad eggs or sheep.

Islam improves the goodness and God awareness of whoever enters her fold.


let me use you to illustrate my point, though i have never met you, so i will go strictly by your id; you would be advised to drop your name if you were to become muslim. that will be an initial improvement in your life, starting to build you up from how the world identifies you. we ave not came to your physical appearance, then to your attitude and your inner self. by the time islam shapes you, it will be obvious to you that you that your being in the opposite camp as long as were, it is the Mercy of Allah in Islam that has not allowed you to act out the name you presently bear.

the yorubas say oruko ma nroni; our name is part of all that shape us.

^^^^^^^^^^ and all the human rituals, all pagans including you are responsible for them? is it of course from your mouth in this case, too?

@pagan9ja; « #97 on: June 10, 2011, 05:49 PM »
[Quote]and if u are a true Yoruba by heart, u will remember d brave Oba Oluewu and how on his capture by d Fulani jihadis, he refused to convert to islam and betray his traditional practices n religion even when his life was threatened by the emir of Illorin and eventually, d Fulanis were d cause of his death. no self-respectin Yoruba wud practice islam, d religion of der enemies dat caused d death of so many Yoruba nobles and chiefs, after he knew this.[/Quote]my yoruba bloodline is laced in yoruba royalty. is yours in yoruba royalty? if your answer is no, i can enter 2 palaces of two different kings, and i am a great grandson to each king lineage. my mother's cousin is presently a king, and i saw him prostrated to my grandmother, his aunt, many times. do you have a yoruba heritage like that in your bloodline? if your answer is no, how can you say the darniest thing above?

i am not a fool like the king who refused what is good. the fulanis who captured him didn't do it because of their superiority in way, but because Allah was with them. this reminds me of the story of Abdullah ibn Mas'ud [ra] who capture the giant Abbas ibn Abu Mutallab [ra] before he became muslim in the battle of badr. ibn Mas'ud's legs, they say was as skinnyas a rail, like toothpick. but Abbas said when Mas'ud held his too hands to tie his arms together, it was as if a big vice was used! Allah says of the same battle, so that you understand divine intervention; When you Muhammad [as] threw the sand as you have been commanded, it was not you that threw it, but Your Lord Allah was the One that threw it.

do you think that i see good thing and don't go into it, when it benefits my soul? such it is that i see of Islam and we in Islam, are not boko haram.

@Pagan9ja: yo, mr. pagan. banda abbas, is bander bin sultan from 1983 to 2005. i said the gulf war era; of the two bushes.

and you a pagan hausa will no little or nothing about the yoruba history. to claim that from your northern enclave you are better than former 2 times president of nigeria; olusegun aremu obasanjo and the present oba of lagos combine is a sign of mental madness from you.

there is no way an educated hausa man can know enough about yoruba history and indigenous nature better than a 15 year old yoruba proper. we are oral people; our history is passed from elder to the younger in chain links without a break in it.

have you ever seen a pagan yoruba saying he knows about the hausa more than buhari and emir of kano combined, except that such a yoruba pagan needs to go and stay in aro hospital? yet this is what you have imitated here.

[quote]ND THERES NO ONE CALLED BANDA BAS AS AMBASSADOR TO KSA SO PLZ STOP SPREADING YA LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its getin really sickening now, u spreadin all these rumors n lies n bringin ya own ppl on d wrong path. Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

heres aa full list of Saudi Ambassadors to d States ""with"" der pics. i srsly wonder which one of dem luks lyk aa Yoruba, or even black for dat matter. Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided

list of KSA ambassadors to the USA:
http://www.saudiembassy.net/embassy/pastambassadors.aspx[/Quote]check out bander bin sultan from 1983 to 2005. or do you need to kill humans so that you can regain your eyesight? darn pagan you, mr. pagan. you better go learn about hausa history than to educate yorubas about yoruba history, before the whole world takes you for a madman. you neither have the wisdom to argue nor have a book from yorubas that overwhelmingly argue the accepted convention of our origin.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i guess the author of revelation will have to stand as another comforter because it seems to me that he fulfilled he will hear from God and will repeat it.

if he is not the another comforter, then you above verses from revelations are completely irrelevant and out of place.

further pay attention to what the verse from the Gospel of John says about Jesus to God; Jesus reporting that those who God allowed for him while on earth, they were with him. after it, when he was not on earth any longer, he had no control over anyone.

Wetu, you and others alive today and I were not alive and part of those people Jesus was referring to, in your above verse. We came after the advent of the another comforter Jesus said will come to guide to all things, including correcting and and all mistakes that was prevailing after Jesus left the earth.

if your revelations author was not the another comforter, and i am confident he is not, then meet the Messenger of Allah, Annabihullah Karim, Sayiddina Muhammad [AS].

if you are a woman, he elevated your stature, status.


if you are a man he made you recognized your position.


either case, he truly tied your heart to your God Who has the absolute right to Lord over you.

@frosbel; « #7 on: Today at 12:06:54 AM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta
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@frosbel: you gave verses from the pens of others, but none from Jesus your lord and god.

aren't you ashamed that you are lying to yourself, even if you think that you are getting over me, regardless of my knowing its outright deceit from you?

if any verse were to be qualified, it has to be that of Jesus, if it coming from the Bibles. when you can't produce any that is clearly irrefutable and undeniably from the lips of Jesus, you have made up a lie with the other verses, unless you will say the writer of those verses was the another comforter because he 'heard' from God and simply 'repeated' to man? if this is not the case, you are not telling us any truth.

state your position.

Sorry but I just quoted to you from the bible, the very HOLY GHOST INSPIRED words of what Grace is all about.

It is difficult to explain spiritual things to you, because you will not understand , since you do not have the Spirit of GOD in you. It's true, I am not trying to be mean, the fact is that the carnal man cannot comprehend spiritual things.

But let me ask you a question, DO YOU LIVE A LIFE that has a pattern to it of lust, slander, gossip, lying, murder, hate, bitterness, pride, greed , covetousness , anger, rage etc etc.

Well if you do and your Allah accepts you the way you are when you die , then he must have even lower standards of moral ethic than Satan. For Satan knows that no sinner will ever enter into God's holy presence without his sins cleansed and washed away by the blood.[/Quote]about all the bold; i am grateful to God Allah the Irresistible for allowing me to be of carnal mind while i am on earth. truly, He is Merciful upon me, not tagging me or my woman folks with sins of Adam and his wife Eve which we played no part in. He also gave me the road map whereby killing of animals is not necessary and definitely the killing of man which you relish in is forbidden. my tongue and my heart are the ingredients i need to continue in His Mercy, Grace, etc.

each christian claims non christians are carnal, but these same christians are the freakiest people on earth; all evil things established or experimented start and end on their doorstep as a religion. where is the spirituality when you need it? even they say Jesus spiritually begged and spiritually blamed God at the end. you people need to face the facts on ground. reality is not equal to fantasy, maaaaaan.

and are you saying in your UK stay, you have not indulged in any of the 'sins' listed? even from the etc, etc and even the pride that you are displaying by claiming i am a very basic person, while you are angelic man on earth? Alhamdulillah. Allah the Loving accepting me to His Mercy the way I am is the Ultimate "Grace".

I wonder when you mentioned satan [lanatUllah] that you didn't remember what he made biblical Jesus go through; the controlling him as in a test or torment in the wilderness, the temptations and taking over Peter in the company of Jesus to test Jesus even further? how is it that satan recognized the blood of Jesus if he didn't stop working up Jesus body and all into frenzies of blood and sweat?

I can see ZnO selling Nigeria down the creek if america pays the price he/she asked [sorry for the he/she].

you can possibly believe that the ndigbo people in their 'business mind' will turn down interest free loans. the jews will not turn down interest free money if palestinian authority opens a bank and give them loan. you are not an igbo neither am i, but common sense tells me that it will be more monies in the pockets of igbo nation [i hate the word nation here, since nigeria is the only nation that matters in that geography].

is the father of abdul mutallab responsible for his son's diabolic? if this is so, what responsibility therefore holds the group he warned of his suspicion? you can't but hold them responsible, too.

@ZnO; « #2 on: Yesterday at 12:33:30 AM »
[Quote]That Igbo man is no other than a muslim, Alhaji abdulazeez Ude. http://www.jaizinternationalplc.com/board_of_directors_management_staff.html

No decent Igbo (99.1 Christians/0.88 animists) man will touch sharia banking even with a long pole.[/Quote]maybe igbo muslims are not decent, is what you are saying. each igbo muslim i have met have had nothing less than a first degree. they seem to be the creamiest of the cream. you will not see them commit any evil deed. i wonder if it is their religion that stops them? then they have chosen well.

if it is their ethnicity, then the bold part of your statement is incorrect.

greencard can come later, after he finishes University.

who knows what will becomes Nigerian economy by the time he graduates.


greencard is worth less than the academic opportunity he has right now. by the time he finishes his first degree, he will be a better person than the unnecessary struggle and the unknowns that may be waiting in amerca.

and you know that it takes a split second to get lost in the potential horror called United States. Not all glitters are gold.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so you are saying there is not a single christians on earth? on nairaland, we have fakes, then?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ if God judges immediately after a sin is committed, who will remain unpunished, and have the chance to seek forgiveness?

if the window of opportunity that God leaves for us humans is what you are complaining about, thinking that can't act, then you have mistook waiting for the appropriate time for inaction. you can't hurry God.


while Muslims and indeed human beings are commanded to do right and preserve the lives of everyone, just like in all deviations from the right and just course, we have by and large deviated from this very injunction and immense ourselves in taking lives.


is Islam responsible for it, in the manner that Islam is not responsible for those who commit illegal sexual acts?

@frosbel: you gave verses from the pens of others, but none from Jesus your lord and god.

aren't you ashamed that you are lying to yourself, even if you think that you are getting over me, regardless of my knowing its outright deceit from you?

if any verse were to be qualified, it has to be that of Jesus, if it coming from the Bibles. when you can't produce any that is clearly irrefutable and undeniably from the lips of Jesus, you have made up a lie with the other verses, unless you will say the writer of those verses was the another comforter because he 'heard' from God and simply 'repeated' to man? if this is not the case, you are not telling us any truth.

state your position.


@ image123; i am writing in the manner of truth, InchaAllah. it will be hard for a deceiver to understand it because the heart of deceiver is very hard.

where is a single christian, if the qualification is not sinfulness? i need a name of a christian. can anyone produce a name, while everyone else have sinned and all their deeds are are like filthy rags?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ if you truly have grace, would you have said Jesus needed to die first?

incidentally, you said faith, then you said work of faith is involved. very ironic. your slip of the fingers says faith is not enough but work has to be involved.

i wanna know what is work of faith except 'action'; work or effort that involves some energy, power?

after it is said and done, Jesus death, by your admission above is not enough. i therefore wat purpose was the so called death, when it is, in itself is not enough?

at the end of the day not from Jesus who is on earth, but it is the grace from God Who is always in heaven that you need.