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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you said too many mouth fulls.


at first glance i laugh in the face of your sorrowful lie of 'son of God' who didn't cry out 'mt father, my father', but my God my God, instead. will it not be a lie from him if you said he is a son, but he said of himself 'a servant of God'? but can Jesus be the liar or your the liar since you will hurry away if I ask you to name the wife of God who bore the son?

if a human father with wife sends his son to be killed, we say the father is a heartless coward and a murderer. frosbel and his gang of cross worshipers say the Creator has a son, yet He ask who is the wife that bore the baby. additional to this lie, frosbel and his gang say God send Hs son to die, yet God ask Am I not enough to forgive as I please without anyone having to challenge My Authority?

God Who the christians say that He cancelled killing of animal, we muslims there say that He will not choose a worse kind of killing instead. the better show of Mercy is not to kill at all, but simply offer sincere repentance from the heart, on the tongue or not. The muslim God s The Most Forgiving, Most Merciful, The Often Returning to accept repentance, Gracious, Loving.

no wonder the Jesus on the cross could not contain the lies, crying out instead; my God, my God, . . .


i do not need a human to Lord over me. i do not accept fake God. he will be god, therefor, punished if he accepts the empty title trusted on him, if he doesn't accept, the one make him to be God wll be punished if he dies on that lie.

@Martian: « #39 on: Today at 08:23:46 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on June 19, 2011, 10:41 AM
Muhammad [as] says whoever brings anything new to this our affair [Islam] is not from me. and we saw that the last powerhouse and head of Islam was the othoman kalifah in turkey. it is the non muslims who infiltrated Islam using the ignorance of the ignorant arab leadership to destroy the union deceiving that generation with disbeliever from england named larry nicknamed lawrence of arabia. well. the divide to rule bore the elimination of the kalifa up till date and ushered in at long last the state of Israel, inspired up zionist so that they got their wish.



the tumbling down of tower 7 to me needs real investigation. i say greed of larry silverstein and others need the violence which they have put up as their trophy in effort to conquer the world under the 'big idea' [oe world order].

Q: How many muslims does it take to change a light bulb?

A: None, they'd just sit in the dark for thousands of years blaming the Jews.[/Quote]if you answered your own question, why asked it in the first place. I was going to say 1 less than 2 martians to change a light bulb. never mind.

however what is important is that you and them have fought tooth and nail all these centuries, over millennium to extinguish the light that shall burn brighter each time to the future, the end of time.


look who I am talk to; a man from another planet. how can he understand the nature of humans on planet earth.

@Seyibrown: « #47 on: Today at 04:18:05 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: albadry on June 24, 2011, 01:49 PM
That is quite a shallow statement, but I will challenge you sir on your statement. How could God be in heaven, or in you? How could God be any where? Isn't time and space (and place) a concept that is only known to us in this world? Surely the almighty creator is beyond such restrictive attributes such as place/space and time? Aren't you contradicting your very belief in what is "marvelous" in your eyes by stating that the very marvelous one is limited by such worldly attributes? Which brings me to the next point of treating Jesus, the man, the human, as God. How could the power that created the universe in a few days be limited within a human being? And why would such a supreme creator be limited to the mere body of a human? Why does the supreme creator need to be in a woman's womb? Doesn't it just sound ridiculous saying it?

Do not get me wrong friend, I'm not trying to attack your belief, but I am just extending a trail of thought to you that you may not have considered.

In terms of names (Immanuel etc) - I really don't think that is anything worth arguing about.

Peace.[/Quote]you just had to take the extreme position to the above just because you must disagree with, reasonably so or otherwise. in this case it is otherwise by your entry, below;

[Quote]Where, then, is God? Who/what stops him from coming down to his people in a form (Jesus, through the womb of a woman) they would understand? What form is God in? If you met God would you recognise him? Are you not LIMITING what God CAN do when you say he CANNOT come down in human form? Is there ANYTHING TOO HARD FOR GOD TO ACCOMPLISH (this includes coming into the world through 'the womb of a woman)?
[/Quote]is there not something that you see as unfit of your present stature/status? will behave like a little girl, now that you are a mother? do you think it is appropriate for you in normal ordinary circumstances, today to wear diapers?


then how do you think there is nothing unfit for God to do, especially when Jesus was saying God is in heaven? was Jesus in heaven when he said tis to his companions? I dont think Palestine's Jerusalem is part of heaven, yet that was the place that Jesus declared that God is in heaven, when Jesus was on earth.

@Wetu: « #45 on: Yesterday at 05:20:04 PM »
[Quote]The Quran cannot save anyone, Jesus is the Saviour of the world.[/Quote]Quran is the means of absolute safety. God is the Only One Who saves, the reason your bibles record that Jesus lamented "my God, my God, why . . . ."


Jesus can't save anyone.

@davidylan; « #27 on: Today at 09:25:28 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: thehomer on Today at 09:20:16 AM
An interesting story if it was true. But for some reason, no one seems to be trying to correct the OP on whether or not the father was wrong to commit the murders.

perhaps because they know deep down that this is what islam recommends for apostates and are only trying to dodge having to answer it.[/Quote]at least, thehomer hopes it is not true by his 'if'. mr. davidylan didn't see that or 'perhaps' be was mischievous about his going about t, because his whole intention is to malign Islam. no one has blamed christianity for the abortion clinic murders, or the 1996 atlanta georga olympic murders/bombing by eric rudolph. each and every of those was committed by conservative christian[s].

can we say that they carried out the injuction of jesus their lord god in human form who said they should bring and slaughter people before him, as a 'king' or the 'i do no bring peace but sword, setting family members against one another'?

if we have seen christianity different and looked at the verses in their own context, can davidylan and his christian crew see islam in the same light, verses within their own contexts?


it is interesting to note that before islam women were properties in the sight of men. before islam of Muhammad [as] arabs buried their daughters alive. these evils and more, it was neither judaism nor christianity that changed them. it was islam under Muhammad.

Moses killed everything that moved and destroyed every stationary thing that has value. Jesus went to the other extreme proposing what himself couldn't practice; turning the other cheek and bringing sword not peace could not come from the lips of sincere person, unless one of them was forced into his mouth or such a person is unstable. Jesus, the son of Mary, a prophet of God in Islam was not an unstable mind. he was not a liar. we have to blame those dishonest bible writers creating an image.

Allah exposed them by their going this way and going that way, turn 180 degrees each time on any subject. if there was a flip flopper that flip flopped than senator kerry of massachusetts it will be bible writers. no wonder they have many versions of the bibles. no wonder they have many versions of biblical events.

my muslim brothers have answered well; slam is not responsible for the deviations of any deviant.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you are completely wrong mr. pagan9ja [i wanted to stop at mr. pagan, but people and even you may see it as an abuse of your person].

Olodumare/Olorun is universally yoruba words for The One Single God. Like they say; birds do it, bees do it. but the 'doing' of the do it of each animal is unique to that animal specie. it is the uniqueness Olodumare/Olorun on the tongues of the yorubas; the christians will mean Jehovah, and bot Jesus or Ghost when they say it. if there have been jews among the yorubas in the weird way there were the falachian jews among the ethiopians, that yoruba jews would be meaning Yahweh. the muslims mean Allah.


yet, when pastoraio of ifa worship [i sincerely hope he is not an ifa worshiper] says the same words, he would be meaning Whoever is the Master of the Ifa.

if your hausa paganism could transport its worship and conduct that worship in yoruba language, when you mention the words, you will not be meaning the idol you made with your own intellect [i'm sure you smarter that the worthless thing can do jack for you], but the Unseen that you know is God and Lord over you, but because you are programmed to be visual and you just can get out of that rot/mindset, you are satisfying your lust with something physical, your idol.

but the Unseen, God in this case does not need a worthless thing like your idol god to represent Him.

@Evil brain and divinereal; « #19 on: June 23, 2011, 03:17 AM »
[Quote]Epic post by divinereal. My favoutite part is this:

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I would urge Muslims to stop going to biased pro-islamic propaganda websites and look at the original material like the Quran and Hadith themselves. Read the Quran from first page to last in a language that you understand and you will see the unbelievable hate and violence that I saw and quickly realize that it was written by a war mongering man who imposed his ideology on Arabia through force and brutality.

I think if all muslims and christians would take the time to actually sit down to read and understand the scriptures for themselves rather than just swallowing predigested explanations from their imams/pastors, there would be a lot more athiests in the world. Those books make very little sense and they certainly don't say what most people think they say.

That "islam is a religion of peace" stuff is complete bullshiat. The same applies to "God is good". The god of the old testament is one of the most thoroughly evil characters in all of fiction. To me he's second only to Sauron in the Lord of the Rings. If you don't believe me, then read the bible and find out for yourself.
[/Quote]please use www.Quran.com to produce the verses that inspire bloodletting and we can discuss them here within the textual context each applied then and how it can apply, today. incidentally, the website that i give above has audio in arabic recitation, then it has tafsir and hadith, and the meaning of the verses in english. each of us can hear and can read english, i hope.

i wanna see how we come to 'epic post' from divinereal. lets all of us react to the instructions to struggle in the Quran in any which way we want, as long as we are honest, putting ourselves in the shoes of the muslims, or the enemies of the muslims or just spectators watch the struggle played out.

we are humans, for sure. how do humans react to preserve lives when attacked by villains? one group has to be the victim struggling to preserve its existence from the harms from the villains. its either the muslims or the disbelievers are the villains or the victims/oppressed. both can't be either at the same time.

pastor, stop being eegun eja in the 'throat' of the chrstians. as much i may not agree with them, they are many levels better than your ifa oracle worship.

A worldwide public announcement; Davidylan and his 'arabs' are in world class dilution.

both are slaves of God in the same breathe that I am a slave of God.

While davidylan layered himself being slave of Jesus, who himself is a slave of God, the 'arabs' are lying to themselves claiming that only blacks are slaves. the erroneous saying of both of them is only denial of truth, but shall never change the facts.


i advise the 'arabs' of davidylan first to go to the Quran to see that they, too, are abd.

i advise davidylan to go into his bibles to see that even jesus his master is 'slave or if you will, servant', too. how better is the condition of davidylan, if his master is a slave? davidylan is nothing less a double glazed slave if you read his bibles.

@davidylan; have you ever figured out why everyone on earth is called 'abd' in the universal Quran? let me break it to you, it is 'slave'. Only, Allah The Loving, The Powerful and Sublime, Irresistible, etc, just that i need to stop listing His 'Qualities, Names', is The Master, Lord and God of all, including Jesus [by Jesus saying 'my Lord and your Lord is but One God, and He is in heaven].

Incidentally, the slaves and or servants of Jesus are slave and or servants of the servant and slave of God. incidentally, I, sweetnecta and Jesus christ son of Mary who you have imposed upon yourself as your lord god, but truly a human prophet from his lips have a single Lord God. jesus called Him Eloh, or Alah. i call Him Olodumare or Allah.

islam is not an exclusive club like the ethnic based judaism or human god presence on earth belief of the christian.


God is One and He Lords over every person and all the messengers and prophets He sent including the last Messenger Prophet Muhammad are recognized as coming from Him. we dont take any of them mere patriarch because we do see and or recognized their miracles or works, and messages like some others.

^^^^^^^

are you saying there were no foreign born and non arabs among the companions, except sayiddina Salman Al Farsi, and those seyyid who were bani Israil?

remember that this community is under the messenger prophet, the only one sent to all people, being the last one and must unite all mankind and not just his arab tribes, but the human tribes.

it is going to hard to believe that Allah did not let any european and african be represented, the messenger [as] clearly wrote leaders of the world, inviting them to come into islam.

@belabela; « #43 on: Yesterday at 06:51:31 PM »
[Quote]The bible is not a book it is a collection of books or a library of books. Some have 66, some 79 some 80 depending on what bible you read. However thousands of years before The Quran was written or Islam founded history has been recorded about the Father of Abraham . A book believed to be written by Moses said Terah is the father of Abraham ( Genesis 11:27). Also there is a book called the book of Jasher ( this book was refered to in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18). T[b]he book of Jasher is another book that detailed the history of man from the begining though not in the bible it also says Terah begat Abraham

"And it was in the night that Abram was born, that all the servants of Terah, and all the wise men of Nimrod, and his conjurors came and ate and drank in the house of Terah, and they rejoiced with him on that night."- Jasher 8: 1
"And Abram the son of Terah was waxing great in those days in the house of Noah,[/b] and no man knew it, and the Lord was with him."- Jasher 9:11

Except if the Quran writes Terah's name in another language. Terah is the father of Abraham. Somebody cannot just wake up in and singlehandedly rewrite the history of mankind. I decided to sight other references apart from the bible to show you that all histories kept by men says Terah is the father of Abraham.[/Quote]your whole argument against Quran is lost on the bold, above. apart from the varied number of books in different bibles, to argue against the Quran with 'A book believed to be written by Moses said . . .'. moses wrote his own death and funeral. the death and funeral thingy kills moses book.


the same moses that God sent an errant, and he was on his way and the same God was eager to kill him before he got to the place he was sent. it was reported that it was the wife of moses who exposed her hair that stopped God. can we accept an account of a book that says God can not achieve His objective?

@Seyibrown; « #32 on: Today at 01:37:26 AM »
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But @ all did the Fig Tree wither immediately or overnight?
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Immediately (Matthew 21:19) - "Seeing a lone fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it except leaves only; and He said to it, "No longer shall there ever be any fruit from you." And at once the fig tree withered.

Overnight (Mark 11:14,20) - "He said to it, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again!" And His disciples were listening. . .20As they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up."[/Quote]i will not hold your confusion against you, considering the lack of clarity of the two verses, with each other and possibly the truth that was not recorded. read the below very clearly.



[Quote]Matthew 21:19-22

King James Version (KJV)

19And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20[b]And when the disciples saw it[/b], they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.


AND


Mark 11:14-24

King James Version (KJV)

14And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

15And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

16And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.

17[b]And he taught[/b], saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

18And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.

19And when even was come, he went out of the city.

20[b]And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots[/b].

21And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

22A[b]nd Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God[/b].

23[b]For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith[/b].

24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.



The accounts were given by two different people so it is possible that differences can appear in their accounts. The difference in their accounts as you noted is not the most important matter of the event. The important facts are:

1. There was a tree that had no fruit
2. Judgement was pronounced on the tree as a result
3. The pronouncement took effec[/b]t

The lesson learnt from the tree is to 'bear fruit' and the other lesson that followed as Jesus explained to his disciples was that of [b]'asking in faith'.

Whether it withered immediately or overnight does not change the lessons to be learnt from the accounts, and I can not tell you why there was a difference in the accounts, as it is of no significance to me. They could have been written years apart. I do know however, that no two accounts of an event can ever be the same, word for word, even if they come to the same conclusion![/Quote] may actually accept your statement of 2 accounts of different wordings with single conclusion, because we do have that in the hadith and sunnah.


but not in the Quran. the sunnah and hadith are action description and sayings of the the messenger [as] and what he heard and saw of the believers [ra] who were his generation and did not reject them. the differences in the situation, and remembrance and thoughts of man, a mortal is that it is inferior to that of God. Quran is one, though different accents, but your bibles are not. your bible are similar to narrations in the hadith or sunnah. we classify them as false, weak and strong based on agreement with Quran whch it is explaining.


your bible and hadith are in the same category therefore. a false hadith is equal to the biblical conclusion that jesus is God. a weak hadith is similar to the biblical verse that says peter worshiped jesus, while all of his disciples didn't or jesus prayers at the garden was rejected or jesus cried out as he blamed God for his condition on the cross. strong hadith is like the bible verse no one has ever seen God face to face or if you believe in God then believe in me or if you have seen me then have seen God [jesus, Your servant who You sent].



do not forget however that jesus himself said that a believer without a doubt in his heart can miraculously move a mountain if he commands it. if such statement is made to cover all believers [his companions], you will realize that the killing of the fig tree or any miracle he performed can't be a pointer that he is God.


the killing of the tree though weird and illogical compared to the event that he fed 5000 people with a loaf of bread with 2 pieces of fish, he could have easily turned some of the leaves of the fig trees to edible fruits, for his companion to feed themselves, while he a 'God' could have gone without food!

it is interesting to note that this happened very early in his ministry, immediately after getting out from the wilderness where satan held him for sometimes, prior to tempting him, 3 times that were recorded. but he had not constituted his disciples at this stage. how were they there to witness the fig tree event and the temptation event?

the language of the writer of the fig tree incident shows that the writer was not a disciple because he would have used 'we', instead of the 'disciples'.


finally we see that jesus was a fighter and get angry at the right times and appropriate settings, he wasn't angry at or fought against satan for starters but killed a tree, immediately got upset and ran out the traders, and after this was recorded to be cool as cucumbers; teaching and lecturing, while still hungry. all of this is weird and the confusion is another layer extra.

i am happy for my ignorance that says God is Everlasting, never dies, always 1 and never a multiple personality as being a father in heaven, a son on earth and a ghost floating back and forth and in between. God is not a man. the man jesus can never be God, therefore.

and your refined '- - - -' is ready to empty your body of the stored up '- - -', get to the bathroom, fast because when it hits the fan, it will full of funk.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Quote]« #35 on: Today at 10:58:28 PM »

@Sweetsacharin or whats your moniker?

Pls go to the muslim section. If we start on why "holy" Mo can't be the spirit and bringer of truth, you will start foaming at the mouth.

One easy thing - Jesus and all the other prophets led by example - of peace - and your brothers are following Mo's example and killing everyone. Or could you name one place with a sizable muslim population that is peaceful? By the way, how many wives did example "Holy" Mo have?[/Quote]Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon the wise, Abraham who received the blessing of prayers from Melchizedek on his 'return' were all peaceful. I need to remind you of jesus who 'peacefully' brought sword to 'peacefully' divide the family members against one another, and his 'peaceful' demand to 'peacefully' slaughter as a king those subjects who do not want him to rule over him as a king.

i can 'peacefully' in the style of jesus show you that his kingdom has no throne, foot stool, and no subject or people in his kingly court.

what a 'peaceful king'. am sure that i have made your night. its 11.27 in 9ja already.


show me one new thing that your spirit brings, and i will show you how long it has been on earth, not new. maa ton ara e. aa ngba omo ediyee ee lowo iku, alaimo ee ni won je ki owun loo jele laki ton.

aabeg run along and go sleep.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ show us who ever addressed Jesus immanuel in the bible. even his mother will be sufficient.


further just somebody is predicted to have a name, does not mean that he is the meaning of that name; was God on earth and no more in heaven, when jesus was on earth?

who is confused, since jesus said from his lips the Lord's prayer in which he said God is in heaven?

@Yommyuk; « #33 on: Today at 08:08:53 PM »
[Quote]@Sweetnecta

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@Joeagbaje and yommyuk; ^^^^^^^^^^^ you have entered the same camp as joeagbaje
If it is Christ's Camp that you are refering to, you are absolutely right Cool[/Quote]i'm sure the likes of nuclearboy, enigma and co will say joeagbaje and now that you are in his camp are far away from christ. if you are still insisting that you are in the camp of christ, you are just saying it, just the same way that the original camp was not organized by christ, what only his name was borrowed, in the same way some fashion designer' names are borrowed on a product just to make the uneducated shoppers to buy 'fake' goods. anyway here is what a jewish rabbi says about his camp and then your camp; https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-696595.0.html




[Quote]Quote
1 John 4:1 warns us
Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.
John 17:14-15
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one.
joeagbaje must be wrong here f he says there is no prophet coming, yet apart from the false prophets who will fail the 'spirit test', somebody is to pass it who will give the them His word. please explain all of these and you claim below

I see that your are coming into this discussion with your Prophet mohammed the 'comforter' mindset. However the main theme of this topic is more about the 'Spirit' and not the prophet. The key concern raised in this topic is about so called prophets and MOGs out there who claim to speak on behalf of the 'Spirit of Truth' (the Holy Spirit), but in reality are not.[/Quote]if all prophets to come after the john verse in your bibles were to be false, there would be any reason to test and see that they are false or one may just be true. if this is the way your bibles speak, no wonder you are uninformed and do not know that a test process is to confirm one of the two possibilities; false prophet which will not be from God or true prophet from God. it is ironic that the bibles say God is not the Author of confusion, yet the bibles are meshed in confusion. can the bibles be from God and no parts of them are from others? when your biblical verses mention prophet, we can say he is not human, but holy spirit which you have in itself called God. why should God be waiting for God to speak to him, before he speaks to humans? why should God be reporting back to God about him delivering the word of God to humans, and their rejection of it. God, if he is the one truly talking to human, will not need reporting to God because He is God and without Hm there is no God, and therefore there is no God for God to report to, as prophet must report to God The Master, in order to fulfill the prophetic duty? yommyuk, joeagbaje, and co, ee ma ton ara yi. asiri gbogbo yin, Olorun to da jesu ti tu fun awa imale gbogbo agbaiye.





[Quote] Applying this concept to Prophet Mohammed, how do we know that his testimonies are from God. Correct me if I am wrong. According to history we were told that it was Angel Gabriel that gave him the message of the koran. How [b]can we be sure that it is not an angel of darkness parading as an angel of ligh[/b]t.]/Quote]you could have made sense if you produce a single thing that the Quran contains that without any doubt it is obvious that is wrong or incorrect. that would have helped your cause that your mere supposition. i am going to provide proofs that the bible is wrong. one example would be sufficient but i will give you two to show many more, hence we can't trust the bibles to be correct, except the Quran you can't prove wrong supports any part, then that part is accepted;

1]. the bibles say in the OT the innocent child Ismael beloved by the Friend of God, Abraham the father of true faith [singular], will be a wild ass in quality, tell me what he did that will remotely be taken as a bad quality? remember that his opposite in quality of behavior is supposed to be his brother Isaac, and not their descendants. what bad quality that Isaac reported that was from big brother Ishmael who he remained friendly with even till and definitely beyond the burial of their father? if you are deceitful enough to transfer the wild ass quality to the present day arabs, then transfer the supposed good behavior of Isaac on the present day jews. lets see which group his hands are on his neighbors and the hands of his neighbors on him. i will definitely remind you that it is under muslim rules in jerusalem and andalusia that jews have found peaces. i will remind you of the many times the jews people were sacked and dispersed all over the world. i will remind you of german nazi and his anger against the jews. you live in uk. you know how white people hate the jews, except they keep it in their closets like behind the door homosexuals before they come out. i will start from the children and the wife of isaac, then his grand children, then their egyptian oppression and their killing all the way to canaan, creating the worst killing field[s] that mankind will ever know.

2]. jesus said he will come back before the disciples were depleted. did he come back, while you are still expecting him in your never to happen rapture? how many times will he come back, or do you have a disciple lying dormant somewhere so that he will spring up when jesus comes in the future?

i can give you many more, because the voice of jeremiah has confirmed your bibles to be corrupt books. no wonder you people are saying God regrets, have baby, etc, etc.





[Quote]Secondly, in regards to the interpretation of the message that Phophet Mohammed recieved, how do we know which kind of spirit that was influencing Mohammed at the time. I am of the opinon that deep within Prophet Mohammed accepted Christ as lord and savior. If not, His message is of the devil. That should be your major concern.[/Quote]there is no interpretation, but explanation because each verse is heavy, very heavy. if Muhammad [as] was correct in the case of Ab Lahab [chapter 111] and you can't produce a verse that was to be fulfilled but never was, then your smear campaign will not work. by the way, the last 4 verses of Surah Baqarah was given to Muhammad [as] in heaven during the Isra wa Miraj to his Creator. jibril [as] was not involved in this. Muhammad [as] was the only human that went to heaven from the earth and return.

if jesus couldn't save himself and called to God Who you said rejected the request, who needs helpless jesus to be The Lord and or The savor, except people who are pagans in a different version than the pagan type of pagan9ja?[/quote]

@Tonye-T; mrbible just called some churches are houses of satan your boss.

and God lives in the true christian's heart, instead of Heaven which is where Jesus who was on earth said God Lives.

who is lying here? read very carefully before you answer.

i guess those skimpy dresses are not the handwork of satan who excites the wearers.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you should have imported the immediate below, when you wrote the one below it.

« #6 on: June 21, 2011, 11:41 PM »
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@Poser; you can adopt a child. but that child must keep his or her blood family's name. the child must be known by parents name. the child must know the members of the blood family.

it is exactly as if you are foster parents. Allah may just bless you by this method, giving you a resolve away from the trial of being childless by your adopting a child who is in need.


you have treat him or her as if from your body, though not permissible to inherit from you except what you leave in the legacy part of your asset. there is no breakage or dissociation in the continuity of the blood connection of the child to the bloodline he or she belongs.

my wife and i are adopting a young girl this month, inchaAllah. her name will be paradise [jannah] because her family's name in eden.
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be on the side of God; https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-696595.0.html

@Joeagbaje and yommyuk; ^^^^^^^^^^^ you have entered the same camp as joeagbaje. both of you are wrong with your opinion because it is against your own bible; look at what the bible says, quoted by yommyuk; how did you guys overlook the work prophets, and the expression 'i have given them your word', both in bold? explain if it is the false prophets that are given them His word, when the pronoun 'I' was used.
[Quote]1 John 4:1 warns us
Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.

Not one or a few, but “MANY”. To apply the above to this age we are living, I will say “For there are so many false men of God in the world”. They give false hope. They preach a diluted gospel which is leading the flock astray. Their preaching doesn’t come from the heart but from the mouth. To them the gospel is about money and worldly gains. I say “WOE UNTO THEM”

Everyone is seeking the truth. But are we really ready to accept and handle the truth? Are we equipped to receive the truth?
How do we make ourselves ready to receive the truth?

By being Holy. How? Purification gained by separation from the world and living a life so aligned with God that it reflects his passions. From here God will set you apart and equip you by the Spirit and readied by God’s word to enter the world without being victimized by its darkness.

John 17:14-15
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one.[/Quote] joeagbaje must be wrong here f he says there is no prophet coming, yet apart from the false prophets who will fail the 'spirit test', somebody is to pass it who will give the them His word. please explain all of these and you claim below
[Quote]Quote from: Joagbaje on Today at 06:32:42 AM
There is no suggestion that a prophet is coming in that scripture. The only person coming is the antichrist[/Quote]




[Quote]The person who will convict the world of sin is the holy spirit. He is not a prophet
John 16:7
7 However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable( good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter( Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, Strengthener, Standby) will not come to you[ into close fellowship with you]; but if I go away, I will send Him to you[ to be in close fellowship with you].[/Quote] how is it possible for God Himself, since you guys say that that is what the Holy Spirit is, going to be sent by Jesus, when you actually believe that the same Holy Ghost is the only one that to sin against Him is worse than sinning against Jesus or Yahweh; Yahweh being that Holy Ghost or the Holy Ghost being Yahweh? Finally, how is Yahweh as the Holy Ghost, being Another Comforter [some comforter[s]] must be sent by mere Jesus and also to report to Yahweh that he has delivered Yahweh's word? How does Yahweh report to Yahweh that He has delivered Yahweh's Word to man, especially that this Yahweh delivering the Word does not speak any human language? look at the below and explain yourselves;
[Quote]John 17:14-15
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one.[/Quote]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ as ssalaamualaykum wa rahmatUllah.
[Quote]For sweetnecta, I think you still do not understand my point. Also, I think you do not understand how the study of Islamic religion is conducted. Yes, the Quran has clear guidance in it, but it has a lot of deep meanings, and if it did not, it would not be the miracle that God has given the holy prophet peace be upon him. The only way for us to study the Quran is to learn it from our scholars. Scholarship in Islam is inherited my friend, not in a family line, but in a scholarship (teacher to student) line. The scholars of Islam inherit the knowledge from a holistic context (i.e. the Quran, the Sunnah, the actions of the companions and the imams and awlyaa). I am in no way claiming scholarship over here because I have no teacher to inherit this from, but I am pointing out to you that an authoritative source (a qualified scholar, sheikh al-shaarawi) is where I got my information from. Your understanding of the Quran (and mine) is worthless compared to a scholar. Also my friend, your talk of prophets having non-believers for wives and sons is not relevant here, we are not discussing wives and sons, we are discussing fathers. If you would like to see the video where the scholar explains this, it is available here in Arabic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2On1UpKDeQ&feature=feedrec_grec_index

From this perspective, we can deduce that Azar was not the father of the prophet Ibrahim. Was Terah the name of his father? As Muslims, we don't know and we don't care, because this is an irrelevant detail that makes no difference to our belief, hence why it was not mentioned in the Quran or the biography of the prophet.[/Quote]thanks, my brother in faith.

if a muslim takes the Quranic verses, literally, he will not arrive in the opposite position to Islam. let use 'no compulsion in religion' verse as an example. a person who thinks he can fight or kill a person who converts from Islam will have to look at this verse, and others, eg 'then he becomes a disbeliever, then he returns to being a believer, then . . .' and others like 'Allah Will judge them . . .', 'whoever takes a life, t is as if he has killed the whole of mankind', to come to conclusion that the overwhelming evidence is not on the side of 'kill whoever leaves islam, without any addition reason that is for it'.

while i am not in scholarship of islam, Allah gives humans the ability to think. what takes precedence is the Quran. and the one who understands Quran best is the messenger [as]. next were the sahaba [ra] who heard him. the 4 imams were reported to give disclaimer, thus 'if you come to what rasuul [as] says, and you find it different from mine saying, abandon my saying and take what the messenger [as] says, because ths is my position [except when i made my statement, i did not know what the messenger said].'

there is no way that anyone will go against the Quran, and the evidence for the father of Ibrahim are many verses, with a name Azar mentioned in one of them, while there is no time it is indicated that he was referring to his uncle.

my brother i asked, who is the father of prophet Lut [as], a nephew of prophet Ibrahim [as]? was his father a believer, too, since his father didn't migrate with him and some people are saying that the prophets are never from a progeny of disbeliever[s]. incidentally, Ali bin Abi Talib [ra] was a son of a disbeliever. yet the messenger [as] was reported that he was to him like Harun [as] was to Musa [as]. Harun [as] was a prophet though Ali bin Abi Talib [ra] was not, whereby the messenger that though there will not be a prophet after him, if there could have been, Ali would have been the prophet.

scholars can be wrong, yet get a credit for effort. an uneducated can be correct, but for lack of scholastic thought can get no credit. but thank for the dialogue. we shall continue to strive for excellence.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
you always leave me scratching my head. is it joeagbaje you are referring to? if thats it, take it up with him. be specific instead of trying to be on the safe side. we are not the little oyinbo boys who ganged up on you in the years past. you should have grown to adulthood by now and let bygone be bygone, instead of still up on your guards, always concern that somebody is gonna get you like the boys in the boarding school. awa ara wa lawa. make yourself clear because i do not know how to deal with oniwo of ifa. i do not get involve with odu ifa.

if it is me that have you in stitches, then how so by what i said about stephen, in my above post? if this is the condition you have experienced with me, the swam of young white boys of your yester years have really bruised you up. you seem to be still mending the non healing wound,

i asked Enigma about stephen, he avoided my question. i wonder if oyakhiome is right 50%, your considering him an anti christ may actually be 50% wrong, at most.

but you guys always say in jesus name, which is what your man oyakhilome is saying. at least some of you are on the wrong path. maybe its all of you. what do you thnk, enigma?

jeoagnaje; enigma is talking about you main man. whats up with that?

@Enigma; [Quote]Romans 16:27
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To God only wise, [be] glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

Phillipians 4:7
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And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

and Stephen praying to Christ

Acts 7
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59While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.


So when opaks Oyaks preaches a message so contrary to the Bible, has he not defined himself as a false teacher and possibly an anti-Christ?[/Quote]but none of the disciples was at the killing of Jesus? if stephen was there, shouldn't he have his own 'gospel' instead of the mark and others of later period? its amazing that stephen could fall asleep in all of that chaos! finally, if jesus himself prayed to God Who sent him, bowing and prostrating himself in the garden, praying to jesus will be actually praying to a god who himself prays to God. do you agree here or not? will this not be a complete idolatry? i say christian idolatry started way back then, if the situation with stephen is true!

@Joeagbaje; « #2 on: Today at 06:32:42 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:18:49 AM
@Yommyuk; « on: Yesterday at 09:21:04 PM »is the speaker john or Jesus? is the spirit in this case, if it comes from God is a prophet of God therefore, if not by your sight the spirit will be a false prophet? finally, did the speaker suggest that at least one prophet of God will after, and may be many that are false prophets that will come?

from this verse, there is definitely a prophet of God, being a spirit from God, speaking by the spirit that must come. not more than one real prophet is expected, while the rest are liars being false prophets.

There is no suggestion that a prophet is coming in that scripture. The only person coming is the antichrist[/Quote]Are you for real, joe, or you are just joking around? i want you read the entire initial post of yommyuk and pay serious 'open your inner eyes' type of attention to the bold parts, below; [Quote]Posted by: yommyuk
Insert Quote
1 John 4:1 warns us
Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.

Not one or a few, but “MANY”. To apply the above to this age we are living, I will say  “For there are so many false men of God in the world”.  They give false hope. They preach a diluted gospel which is leading the flock astray. Their preaching doesn’t come from the heart but from the mouth. To them the gospel is about money and worldly gains. I say “WOE UNTO THEM”

Everyone is seeking the truth. But are we really ready to accept and handle the truth? Are we equipped to receive the truth?
How do we make ourselves ready to receive the truth?

By being Holy.  How? Purification gained by separation from the world and living a life so aligned with God that it reflects his passions. From here God will set you apart and equip you by the Spirit and readied by God’s word to enter the world without being victimized by its darkness.

John 17:14-15
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one.

The above scripture reveals why a lot of so called men of God refuse to say the truth. Because when you say the truth, the world must hate you. Therefore, if you are not called by God into ministry and you speak the truth to the wrong people, na wahala be dat. Why? Because the spiritual initiation required before the ministry can commence is non existence. That is the reason why falsehood ministries are everywhere.

John 16:8
And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgement.

As light penetrates darkness, so the Spirit of truth will give us the ability to penetrate what is true or false. It is the Spirit of truth that does the conviction on our behalf. That is why without it , the life of a Christian is useless.

Titus 1:15-16
Everything is pure to those whose hearts are pure. But nothing is pure to those who are corrupt and unbelieving, because their minds and consciences are corrupted. Such people claim to know God, but they deny him by the way they live. They are detestable and disobedient, worthless for doing anything good.

A so called man of God living the wrong life is worthless for doing anything good. How can such person lead a flock of people and not lead them astray. By their fruit, you shall know them.

CONCLUSION

Psalm 19:8
The instructions of the Lord are prefect, reviving the soul. The decrees of the Lord are trustworthy making the wise the simple. The commandments of the Lord are clear giving insight for living.

The Spirit of Truth will never lead you astray. It path is God’s way.

God bless Wink[/Quote]you do not have to be a ph.d holder to know 1 john 4.1 is either from a guy named john or jesus. if it was jesus, then this compliments the verses that spoke about the another comforter to come, and this comforter will speak only what he hears from God. God does not have to hear from God before God speaks what he hears from God. interesting enough, before i continue, each time the bible says God speaks, He speaks to humans as in the burning bush with Moses, and His voice that they claimed that they heard at the baptism [bar mitvah] along with the spirit that was like a dove which descended. God also spoke to humans as in inspiring the prophet to say what He wants the community of people they preached to hear, as in jesus saying 'hear, oh israel, your Lord and my Lord, is but One God.'


it becomes a thing of doubt therefore like the way God Who is always One becomes 3 in Trinity, when they say after Jesus was lifted by his Creator, the same Creator now comes as a spirit that is not visible like the dove in the time of baptism, and has no voice to be heard like the times of the burning bush and the baptism. you will easily be able to conclude that the God Who wants to make things clear because He is not the Author of confusion at the same time, from the same book He penned take confusion n to astronomical level. He changed from direct to allowing honest people to doubt His Willingness to eliminate confusion, or is His intention after jesus by the bible to confuse so that the whole belief is now blind faith? how do you know in that state of blind faith when the 'evil one' is not in control?


if you joe agbaje does not believe that the 1 john 4;1 expects prophets which one of them will be a prophet from God while others are prophets from their own desires, then why are you still a christian since that verse, again, here below has 'prophets' in it to denote there will be false prophets because they will fail the test, in spite of their claims while at least there will be a true prophet who will pass the same test; [Quote]1 John 4:1 warns us
Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit[/b]. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false [b]prophets in the world[/Quote]


note that no where in the three verses that it says the true prophet that will pass the test will be christian or preach the gospel of luke, mark, matthew or john [you may wish to add according to], but that he will preach the truth and will be hated but will show mercy to those who hated his preaching,  a town, a village, a people. he will not be unjust to them because they merely hate his preaching of the message from God. pay attention to the biblical verse here [Quote]John 17:14-15
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one[/Quote]correct me if this is already fulfilled by a christian person or has the spirit fulfilled it or has jesus returned to fulfill it? since you said it is the spirit, i am assuming it is the Spirit of God you are talking about?


you will note that no muslim or jew hates God and since we can't see Him, though He sees all, we all have no doubt this is a spiritual matter. who hates God after that verse was written? if you can say, i will tell you who hated Muhammad; people of Taif when he went to preach to them after the sad story of the insolent makkans. The people of Taif listened, though already poisoned by the makkans and the strong stand of the messenger [as] against idolatry, they ask the youth of the city to stone the prophet, all the way to beyond the city limit. you should research this event and come to your own conclusion in the light of that biblical verse, because Malaika Jibrl [ruuh qudus; holy spirit] came with the angel in charge of the mountains. taif is a city between two mountain ranges, which the angel sad he has been authorized by Allah to folow the command of Muhammad on the situation he has experienced in Taif.


the angel waited for Muhammad [as] to ask for the destruction of the people, but he only asked that Allah preserve them so that if they do not accept islam, their offspring in the future will. the people were not destroyed by collapsing mountains over them, instead in the lifetime of the messenger they began to accept islam and no one from that city except that he is a muslim, today. this event also show mercy and the miracle that God allows from the lips of Muhammad [as]. it is fulfilled; a statement from al suurdiqiin [the speaker of truth], unlike the biblical 'i will return while some of you are still alive', which is false now, unless some guy is still alive in the past 2 k years?


While i think you are insincere, you should be bold this one time to let me know how the spirit that does not speak and you can see him is able to fulfill the below. i need to see the collection of his instructions. sad instruction must be uniform, unchanging and binding till the end of time, otherwise you need a better and newer mouse trap; [Quote]John 16:8
And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgement.[/Quote]does this not compliment what jesus said about the 'another comforter', or this is a new entity entirely?




[Quote]Quote
yommyuk [abayomi], who is this one prophet of God  who is to convict the world of its sin

The person who will convict the world of sin is the holy spirit. He is not a prophet[/Quote]show me how this is the holy spirit? which people hate the holy spiit and how does the holy spirit fulfill this verse, since he is God also? Joeagbaje, you are in a pickle. and they are saying pickled vegetables may be carcinogenic. i wanna see how you will untangle yourself from this, though you simply walked away on the Abraham thread which you started and avoided it until you invited me as if you could handle hot issues like that; [Quote]John 17:14-15
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world. I am not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one[/Quote]

@Yommyuk; « on: Yesterday at 09:21:04 PM »
[Quote]1 John 4:1 warns us
Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false[b] prophets[/b] in the world.[/Quote]is the speaker john or Jesus? is the spirit in this case, if it comes from God is a prophet of God therefore, if not by your sight the spirit will be a false prophet? finally, did the speaker suggest that at least one prophet of God will after, and may be many that are false prophets that will come?


[Quote]John 16:8
And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgement.[/Quote]from this verse, there is definitely a prophet of God, being a spirit from God, speaking by the spirit that must come. not more than one real prophet is expected, while the rest are liars being false prophets.

yommyuk [abayomi], who is this one prophet of God who is to convict the world of its sin, and of God's righteousness, and the coming judgment? i ask all the christian men and women on nairaland to be bold enough and give us his name. that is if you are sincerely knowledgeable of your bible. that is if you are honest enough to speak the truth when you know it, not conjecture otherwise forever keep quite. or has the true prophet of God in the above verse of nt not arrived yet? are we still expecting him, hence what the christians are doing now, the jews are doing, the muslims are doing as well as what others are doing is wrong?

if the christians are the correct people, then this prophet must have already came as a christian, so you will easily give his name. don't be shy about it.

if this prophet came already as a non christian, we are certain he was either a jew by faith or a muslim by faith. or do you guys have any other suggestion?


@all christians, blame yommyuk for giving me a good opening to suck it up to you.

@Poser; you can adopt a child. but that child must keep his or her blood family's name. the child must be known by parents name. the child must know the members of the blood family.

it is exactly as if you are foster parents. Allah may just bless you by this method, giving you a resolve away from the trial of being childless by your adopting a child who is in need.


you have treat him or her as if from your body, though not permissible to inherit from you except what you leave in the legacy part of your asset. there is no breakage or dissociation in the continuity of the blood connection of the child to the bloodline he or she belongs.

my wife and i are adopting a young girl this month, inchaAllah. her name will be paradise [jannah] because her family's name in eden.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

there is nothing called Bakr-id in islam.

i need to forget you 'hippocrite'.

its free style writing. nothing technical here.

[Quote]From a Christian point of view, all other religions including false Christianity are teachings of demons. That means that as far as[b] true Christians[/b] are concerned,[/Quote]from your statement, will you say at least 25% of the christians are in the demonic category and will end up in the lake of fire even with all their believing in jesus?



[Quote]Islam is the teachings of demons. This should not offend Muslims at all,[/Quote]i for one is not offended, because i see the christians as people being led by the satan holding their forelock.



[Quote]they should see this as a belief of people who are mislead or foolish. If they are really foolish or mislead, then Muslims should be sympathetic[/Quote]read the above response. if i write your wedu instead of wetu as your name, i will be wrong, though in american speech t in the middle of many words is pronounced like a d.



[Quote]instead of getting angry and violent when a Christian draws a cartoon of Mohammed for example.[/Quote]a madman can be ignored. but when he pounces on your mother who is clocking 90 years of age, you will be a bastard not at least hate it. and my almost 90 years old mother is less beloved to me and i am less beloved to her than we both take Muhammad [as] as our beloved. i don't think you understand since you only pay lip service to Jesus and Jehovah and ghostly God. while i do not advocate violence, i think no one has the right to lie on any religious leader in order to discredit the religion. let me give you an example; if paul was not claimed by the christians that he is a man whose manhood couldn't function, it would be wrong for muslims to say that he was eunuch. the christians will have the right to be unhappy.



[Quote]Debating the Koran/Bible with most Muslims is a futile exercise. Christianity is an exclusive religion: It's Jesus or nothing.[/Quote]for us it is nothing, just as you said. oh. by the way it is Quran. there is a great difference between Q and K in arabic language.