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and when it doesn't happen, by Allah, will you stop sacrificing goats and worst, humans to your handmade?

^^^^^^^^^^^ in islam if you see a person claiming high scholarship, he is full of it.

owe ni mo pa fun e yen, if you are truly yoruba, you will know it.


if you come on islamic section, lagosboy who i recommend will say that he knows nothing. he will not be showing off. we have a thread warning about showing off right now.

come over and stop being a local hero among the christians and anti religion groups.

@frosbel; « #99 on: Today at 08:36:14 AM »
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You think it's funny, laughing your way to hell, comfortable in a false belief system,[/Quote]hey. wait a minute. you can't scare anybody about hell using your multiple choice gods belief system. okay. we will not listen to your gods.



[Quote]carrying on in the lusts of the flesh, lusts of the eyes[/Quote]hypocrite. your religious bosses are changing their sexual partners left right and center, and sitting over there in england complaining. hello. its summer time and everyone s in short short to short; letting the bad boys hang out, if not expose already even outside the nudist colonies. you are probably in on the freaky free show, while the struggle rages on in europe to defrock the muslim women to increase the crowd.



[Quote]and the pride of life,[/Quote]i am wondering how you arrive at this, considering that you are an 'oliver twist', always wanting more? today, muslims you claim are the most backward. so how the 'pride of life' statement playing? i think you are just talking without paying attention to your speech.



[Quote]and somehow hoping that Allah will weigh your good and bad and if the good is slightly more than the bad, you will enter paradise with 72 virgins.[/Quote] you shot your argument with the bold. there is no 72 virgins. if you see it in the Quran, or authentic Hadith show me. further, virgins are good people. i guess you don't want you spouse to be a virgin, yet before you were damning the muslims for being the one who loves life, not thinking that Allah The Sublime will expose your hypocrisy for your freakishness.



[Quote]What madness , what deception, what childishness.

Except you repent of your sins and make J[b]esus Christ your savior[/b], YOU WILL PERISH !!![/Quote]i accept to perish by your standard than accept a lesser God as my GOD, my SAVIOR. your condition is almost exactly like that of that pagan guy; pagan9ja, with just a small difference; you dont have a statue standing in front of your house or inside your flat. instead you have your statue inside your heart and around your neck.

@pastoraio; « #26 on: Today at 05:37:06 AM »

[Quote]How many people here have actually read the koran in it's original language. How many of you CAN read the koran in it's original arabic. ie. Fusat. Who can claim to understand fusat? Are you all not on translations?

I laugh in mongolian.[/Quote]your mongolian laugh is inferior to your abule language laugh. now if you can do that that will be something; your trademark and we should bottle it and sell it to those who think you are the flavor of the week.

unfortunately for your ignorant mind, Quran is very easy to learn and read and memorize. suratul Fatiha is called the often repeated among other names.

the more you read the Quran, often, the easier it is on the tongue and the greater the ability to remember. it shows how little you know. may God expand your vista.

many on naraland read Quran in Fusat, daily apart from what they read in the 5 salat. you need to keep your ignorance in your circle. and whenever you are man enough to get off your high horse of nothingness, come to islamic session; Allah Will turn your heart to understanding.

there are people like lagosboy, and others who will be the carrier of the work of dawah to you. you will allowed to ask any and all questions.

@Lagosshia; « #23 on: Yesterday at 09:53:47 PM »
[Quote]we muslims should be careful in responding to missionary propaganda and make sure that we understand our religion first and very well.

the missionary is asking who is Abraham's father:Azar (Quran) or Terah (bible)?

the missionary does not know that Azar mentioned in the Quran is not the biological father of Abraham.the word used in the Quran to describe Azar can also be interpreted as "guardian" of Abraham.

this is actually a very contentious issue because Shia-Muslims in particular believe that no prophet is born out of the loin of a kaffir.all prophets from Adam were born out of believing biological fathers.this also applies to the imams starting with Imam Ali (as).sunnis hold that Abu Talib the father of Imam Ali and uncle of the Prophet Muhammad died in disbelief.the shia on the other hand hold that Abu Talib who helped and protected the Prophet at a time Islam and the Prophet were attacked,could not have died in disbelief but rather embraced islam wholeheartedly before his death.

to conclude,Azar was not the father of Abraham but his guardian who was an unbeliever.

you can further read about these issues in length,here:


http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter5a/8.html

and here in the second sub-topic:

http://www.al-islam.org/shiism/17.htm[/Quote]which one of the two is more of the responsibility of a father; his father or his son? it is also known that Adam [as] had no father. so was Jesus [as]. now of those who had fathers, who was the father of Lut [as], a nephew of Ibrahim [as]? tell me his father's name and provide us with his religion, though you disagree with the several Quranic verses that used Abati and Aba for the person who Ibrahim addressed, to the father of Ibrahim, but will not disagree with how the children of Yaquub [as] addressed their father, and how Yusuf [as] addressed his father telling him about his dream and when they finally prostrated their faces to him.

oh. and Nuh [as] had a disbeliever for a son. so was a disbeliever for a wife, too. and it didn't stop there; so was Lut. and you never stop saying Muhammad [as] married hypocrites and surrounded himself with many [ra]. hypocrisy is worse than outright disbelief, you know.




@seyibrown (f); « #24 on: Yesterday at 11:16:08 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: albadry on Yesterday at 06:02:52 AM
I'm not sure if you read my reply at all. I do not appreciate your mockery also because I did not mock your beliefs.

The Quran does not reveal the name of Abraham's father, but it reveals that the idol maker in question here (Azar) was not his father. The biblical name Terah could be his name, but it was not revealed in the Quran hence why I could not comment.

My post was not directed mainly at your post! My post takes in to account several posits by Sweetnecta, Olabowale, vedaxcool (and co) of unfounded allegations about the Bible having been corrupted. They wield the Bible to support fallacious claims when it suits them, and then they put the Bible down as being corrupt THE REST of the time! No offence was intended![/Quote]since when did you begin to eliminate the verse from Jeremiah that talks about the swift pen of the scribes from the Bible? i think when you began the importation of Trinity. right? and no muslim, including me use the bible to support the Quran, but the other way around; after all we accept God being the Sole Lord Whose Proper Name is Allah. do you agree with this and does your Bible accepts it? should i accept what the Bible says when Quran which is the book of my sole belief rejects?




[Quote]It's nice to have you join NL, and I look forward to more educating posts from you! Your posts so far already tell me that you will stand out as an one who has an indepth knowledge of Islam and is able to contribute intelligently to topics in this section! Welcome once again! Smiley Be warned: The religious section of NL suffereth 'violence', and the 'violent' take it by force! Grin Grin Bros, Alagbara lo n duro nibi o! Grin ( and by violence here, I mean passion for or against God and his commandments)! God bless you!

As a welcoming present, I will one of these days ask you to educate us on the concept of 'AL-TAQIYAH' , its importance in Islam, and its relevance in interaction with - and particularly in explaining Islam to - non-muslims! Again, the God of all wisdom bless you![/Quote]if this is your present, then your heart must be sincere because you have put forward a deceitful method. by the way, a friend sad to me today that Muhammad [as] was a christian before they introduced trinity, his reason for leaving christianity. i laughed so hard that the man got annoyed. i didn't tell the dude that with such passion that Muhammad [as] stay the course preaching Islam and eliminating any and all gods, i wonder what brand of christianity that was being practiced that he was a member of? christians with their games.

@kossy04; « #14 on: Today at 07:33:25 PM »
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^ u hear nt dat u know huh?
Dude save ursef d headache

You know, I still don't think you're making a sound point. It's like saying while the Roman Catholics kill defective children, the Anglicans don't, or while the Krishna Hindus Kill defective children the Shiver hindus don't. If the Catholics do that (and they don't) I still don't see how it makes them "ignorant," it just makes them Catholics (whom I assume to be Christians).[/Quote]they will be ignorant for doing immoral thing. but they remain catholic christians whether they behave ignorantly killing defective children or not. if the below is your reason for the above, you are in worse shape than i thought;



[Quote]Posted by: Kossy04
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Well sorry 2 disappoint u
nt every muslim follows d movement
stop generalizin

But you still go to Saudi Arabia for your hadj. Besides, I hear there's mainly one sect of the movement in Nigeria. If so, then the Northerners also belong to that sect. So where's this statement coming from? If you don't agree with it I think that ONLY MAKES YOU A NONCONFORMIST----------------------------------NOTHING MORE!!!!![/Quote]islam is farther than the enclave of nigerian north, in the nation we call nigeria. islam is farther than the whole saudi arabia. it is also more than Hajj. and there is nothing wrong about being a non conformist. especially we you are on the side of 'RIGHT', thats the best type of non conformist. Kudos to you DYT. i am not a nigerian norttherner, yet i am a nigerian muslim whose blood is many centuries in Islam.

@Kossy04; « #13 on: Today at 07:11:55 PM » i am gonna read and then respond to the true spirit of christianity instead of the mere wrapping of turning the other cheek
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the bold is exactly your condition, too. you and pagan9ja are siblings in the same ideology; multiple goDs. now you should run along and ont look back, unless you are ditching the goDs.

Look who's talking about "multiple gOds," you F.O.O.L.s worship the moon and stars while you bow to the sun---------------------------I BOW TO NOTHING!!!!!! I know the REAL names of all the DAEMONS you bow down to, DO I BEGIN TO MENTION? You I.D.I.O.Ts received all you practice in that crap you call a religion from what others call "THE OCCULT." I mean EVERYTHING (LITERALLY); the moon and star symbolism, the bowing toward the East (EVERYTHING, LITERALLY). Educate yourself before you come here and blab out unenlightened statements--------------- Zap.I.N.G IGNORANT F.O.O.L!!!! Please, don't piss me of on this post!![quote][/Quote]this is truly the face of the peaceful christianity with turning the other cheek. what is surprising is that he lies like a worn out rug; please name the multiple gOds while you worship as a christian; 1]. yahweh who is god the father, 2]. jesus who is god the son and 3]. a no name entity who is god the holy ghost, which you literally call 1 God. i can show you from your bible that you worship these 3 gods, but you can show me from my Quran and or Hadith that i worship the moon, and or the stars and or bow to the sun. i know you bow to nothing, while Jesus bow to my God. but you can't deny that you kneel to jesus, and then the ghost and i will not forget the father, either. and if you are a catholic, throw mary in the mix as you wish.

i can meet you arm length by arm length, if you relax. we should have informative dialogue and i will allow you to get angry as you wish. but can't lie about stuffs you are completely ignorant and or unfamiliar with. by the way, we face the Kaaba. we face it all around. so your saying that we face the east is completely incorrect if a person is in the north, or south or east of the Kaaba, but only correct when you are in the west of it. you need a teacher and i may just be available. the jews who are cultist by their religion say christianity is a cult. so your saying islam is a cult is not a biggie, man.

i think the summer heat is boiling your blood.


What on Earth would make you think Muhammed suddenly woke up one morning and received "inspiration" about "allah"? He used a system that was prevalent at the time for spiritual encounters--------------------------a system that he taught you guys A FRAGMENT OF!!!!!! Look it up and EDUCATE YOURSELF PROPERLY!!!!!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^^ my brother, as ssalaamualaykum wa rahmatUllah.

[Quote]« #21 on: Today at 01:06:43 PM »

Dear sweetnecta, I appreciate your quotations from the Quran, but I received my knowledge from a well known authority, not a "deviant sect". My authority comes from the noble Azhar in Egypt.[/Quote]this 'noble Azhar in Egypt' is inferior to Quran as the Absolute Authority.




[Quote]I will provide you a counter argument by referring you to Surat Albaqaraa in the holy Quran (chapter 2, verse 133) where Allah Almighty says:


Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah. To Him we bow (in Islam)."[/Quote]there is no 'of' before Ibrahim [as] to indicate the father of Ibrahim was a believer. rather, the verse starts of mentioning paternal believers of the children of Yaquub [as] to Yaquub their father who asked them to confirm to him, as a form of 'oath taking' who they will worship; they started off with Ibrahim [who is the father of faith. not the son of the father of faith;


the sons of the father of faith were Ismail, Isiaqa], and they immediately mention their father's Uncle; Ismail as a man worshiping his own father Ibrahim before they mentioned his younger brother, Isiaq who was their grandfather. the mentioning of Ismail in this position to me points to many things which kill the popular opinion of the jews and christians contradicting ther own books; toral of Moses [as] and the bible, since injil/gospel was quite on Ismail [as].


we can deduce that Ishmael was well known to his grand nephews, either physically or by words of mouth. what they know of his disqualified him from being a vagabonds, a wild ass which the bible had predicted. note that they did not mention their uncle, their father's older brother. in other words, what they know of Ishmael were that he was believer, not different in faith from great grandfather, and grandfather who he was mentioned in sandwiching position.




[Quote]Note that the mention of "thy fathers" include Isma'il here, when Isma'il peace be upon him is clearly not their father or the father of Jacob. The Arabic in here clearly demonstrates the ability to use the term "father" to someone who is not a biological father. In fact, the prophet peace and blessings be upon him used the term "father" to describe his uncle Abu Talib. Your references to Abb and Amm are correct, and they are the commonly used words. However, in the context of Islamic studies, we do not take our explanations from the "common language", as you know the Quran has much deeper meanings, and so our scholars extract these meanings by having a more complete picture of our religion, not just taking the literal translation.[/Quote]scholarship in Islam is foremost based on Quran, then the supplementary authentic Sunnah and Hadith since they are means of knowing what the full meaning of Quran.


if your argument supporting your position as uncle of Ibrahim instead of father, is what the prophet [as] said of abi talib, you must also know that in the context of islamic studies, which Quran is the Highest material of that islamic studies, we can not water down what Quran says by taking our explanation to create doubts from the common language by which the prophet might have called Abi Talib father, while we know that late Abdullah was his [as] father, and we do not have any other person we can possibly call the father of Ibrahim, except what the Quran says.
i want you to pay attention to those men that can't be married by a potential bride; grandfather is not mentioned, but we assume he is one of them.


but father and uncle who are. but in above relationship of Ibrahim with the children of Yaquub in the matter of religion; he was not their father, or their grandfather, but their great grandfather. we will see that they would have described Ismail as grand uncle, and Isiaqa as grandfather. rather they called them all fathers as part of ascendants in monotheistic worshipers.




[Quote]I do agree with you that there are historical scholars who have taken your stance on the matter - they are not the majority, but they are more popular these days thanks to the financial backing of Saudi Arabia and the sect they promote.[/Quote]if i have to agree with anyone, it is easier when the matter to agree with is direct and obvious. No one should say that a prophet cant come from a family or sired by a disbeliever. Sayyidina Lut [as] was a nephew of Ibrahim. we can't possibly say that Lut's father was a believer who refused to migrate from the community of idolaters, even though his brother left and was followed by his own son. we can't say that prophets can't produce disbelievers ether. Noah [as] produced a disbeliever. imagine the horde of disbeliever in the children of Israel, today?

@Kossy04; « #9 on: Today at 12:27:57 AM »
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islam= violent
christianity= greed
atheism= arrogance
Satanism=joke

Spoken like the blackboard I was expecting you to be. So run along and worship your INFERIOR 'gODS.' Which one of them belongs to you, ifya, imadioha, shainingo? The whole world knows they're the joke. They never get recognized by anyone, not even the locals where they're supposed to be ruling.[/Quote]the bold is exactly your condition, too. you and pagan9ja are siblings in the same ideology; multiple goDs. now you should run along and ont look back, unless you are ditching the goDs.

@albadry; the name of the father of Ibrahim [as] is Azar, unless the name of the father of Yusuf [as] is not Yaquub [as], Abati, a word meaning my Father was used by both Ibrahim and Yusuf to address a male authority in their family. In the case of Yususf, it was addressed to his father Yusuf; no one I know will in good conscience say Jacob is not the father of Yusuf.

If one has knowledge of even basic Arabic language, one would unequivocally and unconditionally confirm that the term used for father in the Arabic language is ‘Abb’; and the term used for uncle is ‘Amm’!


Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Anaam verse 74:

74 Lo! Ibraheem said to his ‘Abi’ (father) Azar: "Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error!"

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 37 Surah Saafaat verses 83-85:

83 Verily among those who followed his Way was Ibraheem.

84 Behold! He approached his Lord with a sound heart.

85 Behold! He (Ibraheem (a.s.)) said to his ‘Abi’ (father) and to his people "What is that which ye worship?

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 21 Surah Anbiyaa verses 51-52:

51 We bestowed aforetime on Ibraheem his rectitude of conduct and well were We acquainted with him.

52 Behold! He (Ibraheem (a.s.)) said to his ‘Abi’ (father) and his people "What are these images to which ye are (so assiduously) devoted?"

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 43 Surah Zukhruf verses 26-27:

26 Behold! Ibraheem said to his ‘Abi’ (father) and his people: "I do indeed clear myself of what ye worship:

27 (I worship) only Him Who made me and He will certainly guide me."

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 19 Surah Maryam verses 41-46:

41 Also mention in the Book (the story of) Ibraheem: he was a man of Truth, a Prophet.

42 Behold! He (Ibraheem (a.s.)) said to his ‘Abi’ (father): "’Yaa Abati’ (O my father)! Why worship that which hears not and sees not, and can profit thee nothing?

43 ‘Yaa Abati’ (O my father)! To me hath come knowledge which hath not reached thee: so follow me: I will guide thee to a Way that is even and straight.

44 ‘Yaa Abati’ (O my father)! Serve not the Shaytaan: for the Shaytaan is a rebel against (Allah) Most Gracious.

45 ‘Yaa Abati’ (O my father)! I fear lest a Penalty afflict thee from (Allah) Most Gracious so that thou become to the Shaytaan, a friend."

46 (The father) replied: "Dost thou hate my gods O Ibraheem? If thou forbear not I will indeed stone thee: now get away from me for a good long while!"

Respected sister, in light of the above quoted Guidance of the Glorious Quran, Azar indeed was the father of Hadrat Ibraheem (a.s.) and not his uncle.

Even after being presented with such overwhelming evidence from the Very Book of Allah itself, there are some misguided sects and people who hold an ulterior agenda, and they claim that Azar was not the father, but rather the uncle of Prophet Ibraheem (a.s.).

Perhaps from the below quoted Verse of Surah Yusuf, they would like to deduce that Prophet Yaqoob (a.s.) was not the ‘Abb’ (father) but rather the uncle of Prophet Yusuf (a.s.)

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 12 Surah Yusuf verse 4:

4 Behold Yusuf said to his ‘Abi’ (father:ie. Prophet Yaqoob (a.s.)): "’Yaa Abati’ (O my father)! I did see eleven stars and the sun and the moon: I saw them prostrate themselves to me."




@Seyibrown; Many issues that the Bible is wrong about or completely say nothing on are specifically answered by the Quran; examples are below

it is sad to assume that after the flood of Noah, when people were reconstituted, that in many centuries or millenniums after it, it is the tower of babel event that brought about the breakup of the single language to many languages, all of them new to those people of babel because the God Who created everything was afraid of the creatures, the remnants what was wiped out in the flood. the same God was able to punish every evil group later [pharaoh in the time of Moses is a good example]. why was God afraid in time of babel?

read this against the action and reaction of pharaoh and hs chief builder, hamaan who were trying to mock Moses, instead they mock themselves,. pharaoh arrogantly says to hamaan to build a tall tower so that he can reach heavens to see the God that Moses is talking about. though pharaoh had seen how limited the effort of humans to build structures to a certain height in the examples of the pyramid of base versus height. he answered himself with a deceitful explanation that he was sure that there will not be anyone to see, which the evil hamaan agreed to instead of being sincere that it is not possible to build to reach heavens. this is an event that is indicated in the Quran and we can see from our own thinking that this situation is not far fetched in life of arrogant ruler and those who are supporting his evil agenda. we see how hitler was supported in his madness by equally mad people.

hamaan, the engineer, some people claim that since the bible does not record him, he doesn't exist. the bible failed to point out that pharaoh perished in the flood of Moses and the body of pharaoh was recovered and preserved. but the Quran says his body was saved; so that people of Israel can see it at that time and definitely know that their enemy was killed. the body also is being displayed for generations of people to see the end of evil. but hamaan's name has been discovered in ancient egyptian writing as an engineer coinciding with the period before the flood. the bible believers forget that another source may be more comprehensive and precise in its detail.

another comforter is a good case study considering all that the another comforter who was called spirit, like all messengers can be called prophets, and jesus was called messiah. obviously, the another comforter was to hear and speak. only human can hear from God and speak to humans in human language[s]. even angel becomes physical human in appearance in order to speak to man. a ghostly spirit which is not seen don't talk to humans so that humans hear him, unless those who are mad in their heads hear voices of the unseen; ghost in this case.


and as for Azar, if the jews who wrote the bible lied about Abraham sexual morality and say he was immoral, called Ishmael a wild ass, yet God helped him that he never was violent in his entire life, i will tend to wonder what name is possible for people of Ur of antiquity in present day iraq could be; Terah or Azar. i will not accept a thing from the jews who deceive people, lie against prophets and make themselves to a super people regardless of f they are individually right or not right with God. can paradise be offered to a person just because of his tribe while other have greater requirements, otherwise by tribe they are condemned?

it is interesting that Adam [as] the first man was activated to the living man by the Quran saying that spirit was breathed into Adam. The Bible also say something similar. we must note that the process of the breath into was not explained. i am very sure that no one thinks that God held Adam and physically breathed into him. that will be work and God from Islamic perspective does no work, but commands everything into being or take place.

no one will say that soul was mentioned in the above process.

however, in the Quran, Allah says the souls of the children of Adam was removed from Adam into an assembly, where they were all asked by Him 'Am I not your Lord?'. they answered in one voice to affirm it.

in the Quran it is stated that whoever does good, it is for his own soul, and whoever does evil it is for his own soul.

we should note that creation of Adam took place in heaven, hence spirit is used. but when t comes to the existence of the children of Adam, souls are mentioned. but the creation of the children of Adam are not in heaven but on earth.

if no soul is mentioned about creation of Adam, but only in the creation of his child, soul must be spirit, in this case, since Adam has 2 parts, there is no possibility for his child to have 3 parts 1 more than him, since the 2 parts that Adam had was enough for him to exist first in heaven and later on earth, 2 part must be enough for his child to exist, too on earth, the only place they needed to exist before death and recreation of all for Judgment Day.

i will call the attention to the living body of Adam because the 'spirit' was breathed to it, is the same body that was lifeless as a shaped clay. in the case of the living offspring of Adam, apart from Eve who was from a piece of Adam, everyone else started out as an internal thing developing inside mother, 'body' that started out from something simple and small and not easily visible to naked eye, then ever changing from one stage to another, and getting bigger until it becomes full baby human. inside the mother, there is a point that what is similar to spirit that was only needed to make Adam came alive, will also happen to the developing thing, fetus inside the mother. this thing can't have a different nature from that spirit that jump started Adam. we do know this is called 'soul', that is always in the first trimester and not after 4 months that the pastoraio said he heard. i believe you heard wrongly and when people from indian subcontinent rock head sideways, they are saying yes, instead of your nodding your head up and down.

can children of Adam have more parts than Adam?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ wa aleykumu salaamu wa rahmatUllah.

it may be best that you ask them if they know any hadith that forbids praying for a deceased muslim, while you have presented to them at least the hadith above to clearly support your argument.

the other question should be if they accept that the statement of Muhammad [as] is te highest among mankind. if they disagree, you should ask them to give who is higher than him and why. if they agree that his statement is the highest, ask them why they are rejecting the hadith you presented.

if Muhammad [as] is the only one Quran is revealed to, it s obvious that Allah allowed him to explain what needed to be explain so that the heart accepts now that his explanation brings full understanding that is enough to completely guide as Allah Wills.

a person who rejects such a hadith must have a reason or lacks knowledge. if the former is the case and the reason is unfounded, a sincere believer will accept a clear evidence. if the later is the case, when knowledge that does not disagree with Quran but complements it is provided, the sincere believer takes it in.

our affair is made easy and completed, already while the messenger [as] was with his companions [ra].

@Evil brain; « #2 on: Today at 01:42:10 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: alaper on Yesterday at 11:55:11 PM
ALL religions are associated with violence.  All through the ages, any religion that did not practise violence sometime in its history, usually dies out.  All religions have used violence to "win" and keep converts

True. This may be Islam's time in the sun but the fact is that all religions have to embrace violence in order to grow beyond a certain size. Or to keep from fragmenting into several smaller religions.[/Quote]while i ignore everything else i can't but not ignore the bold and put up the following scenario to illustrate why; which one of the two is a violent man: a son was was returning from the office and found a man with a gun against his mother's head, demanding all the cash and jewelries he thinks may be locked up in a secret vault/safe that he was unable to locate. the son happened to be a member of the family of law enforcement agencies and a marksman, an expert in firearms. he yell for the man to drop his gun, but instead the invader turned the gun towards the son. the son in effort to save his mother's life at first now turns to additionally trying to avoid his own being taken first and mother's life will definitely be next. and who knows who will be among the victims before the man is through for the day. what about a future incidences and this may not has been his first time.
with enough adrenalin pumping in his body, he drew his magnum and created a hole in the chest of the coward who would have killed him and his mother and maybe others. which of the two is the violent man? if you say it is the son, then you are correct to tag Islam as a violent religion. if you say the home invader, note that you have pointed you identity of violence away from Islam. it is in human nature to instinctively wants to disallow anyone from taking his life. Islam can't but tell muslims not to be a dead duck, a target for all, including those in his heart and n his brain there is enough brain to destroy nations, simultaneously.




[Quote]It took centuries of blood-letting to establish the current version of christian dogma (the trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the immaculate conception, etc). The catholic church had to chase down and murder thousands of "heretics" over hundreds of years, sometimes wiping out entire cities to do so. Otherwise, there would be hundreds of different types of christianity instead of the few dozen we have today.

The same applies to Islam. The muslims don't like to admit it, but there were several different versions of the koran and hadiths in the early years after the prophet's death. There were different factions each pushing completely different interpretations of the religion. Islam is as it is today because one group manage to kill off and subjugate all the others. Their victory wasn't complete by the way, which is why you have sunnis and shiites today.[/Quote]incdentally, the sunni and shiites use the same Quran. if you know any Quran that s specific to a group and not general to the muslims, show us the Quran and give us the name of the group that uses it. i bold the first to see if you can tell us what the muslims fought others for so that after all the fights they ended up as you say sunni and shiites? please give us a list. an evil brain is a terrible to have. incidentally, even the hadith the shiites study sunnis, and the al bayt hadith is for all, too. shiites and sunni do not disagree except in the position of Ali, and inheritance of Fatima [ra to both] after the passing away of the messenger [as].
funny that you say christianity only has couple of dozens groups. is more than 100 a couple of dozens? nigeria alone has over couple of dozens. you are a very disingenuous soul, at this moment.




[Quote]Islam is now so large that it naturally changes as it spreads farther away from its source in the same way that languages and cultures change. Of course, it can't change too much because someone might decide that the new version is blasphemous and start cutting heads. Just try publicly reinterpreting the koran in a new way in a country like Saudi Arabia and see what happens to you. In Iran, simply admitting to being a member of the Bahai religion (an offshoot of Islam) will earn you an instant death sentence.[/Quote]Muhammad [as] says whoever brings anything new to this our affair [Islam] is not from me. and we saw that the last powerhouse and head of Islam was the othoman kalifah in turkey. it is the non muslims who infiltrated Islam using the ignorance of the ignorant arab leadership to destroy the union deceiving that generation with disbeliever from england named larry nicknamed lawrence of arabia. well. the divide to rule bore the elimination of the kalifa up till date and ushered in at long last the state of Israel, inspired up zionist so that they got their wish.




[Quote]Religion needs violence to thrive. Its just a fact of life.

* 1298072482592.jpg (54.24 KB, 800x750 )[/Quote]the tumbling down of tower 7 to me needs real investigation. i say greed of larry silverstein and others need the violence which they have put up as their trophy in effort to conquer the world under the 'big idea' [oe world order].

@Frosbel; « #84 on: Yesterday at 09:54:41 PM »
[Quote]^^

"Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful." - 1 Corinthians 1:27[/Quote]and there you have it; Muhammad [as] who you think is dead and remained dead while your human god died and his tomb empty [the later is your claim], Muhammad [as] a warrior like Moses who you believe Jesus as Yahweh in heaven in the old testament sent before he became a prince of peace, while remaining and shall be returning as king of war, and other differences you have expressed in the past, is actually the only one that came and claimed that he was sent by God to correct the long held [for 630 years] false idea that human is God, and God needing human to die to same humanity when God does not even need the blood of animal, any reason except obedience to God and the Decision of God alone to forgive who ever. Muhammad was the only one who came after Jesus to perfect the character of man; man can revenge as in mosaic law, man can allow to be abused as you claim Jesus preached in the turning the other cheek, man can and must not act foolish as to injure himself or injure others or allow others to injure him, and man must do good only for the obedience of God and must avoid evil for the obedience of God. Muhammad is the only prophet who preached to people beyond his people, inviting all including kings and peasants to the same religious community. only Muhammad is the essential cornerstone that is needed to make the building a castle. he is the one you are now rejecting. Thank Allah Who has allowed your finger typed the biblical verse above, supporting Muhammad [as] and against your conscience.



[Quote]"Then he said to them, "You like to appear righteous in public, but God knows your hearts. What this world honors is detestable in the sight of God." - Luke 16:15[/Quote]and you have insulted the Elect of Yahweh throughout. if you truly insult one, you have insulted each nd everyone of them. shall we assume that Jesus son of Mary [as] a prophet of God will keep quite as if he agreed if he were alive today and you say Abraham performed adultery, Ishmael his son was a wild ass, David was a murderer or Muhammad was a false prophet who clearly said Jesus was the messiah, the only test that Jesus gave to identify a true prophet from false prophets that must come after him? remember that it did not say such a prophet will follow him in every way, including not coming up with a brand of way of serving God. he didn't say he will be from the children of Jacob. he described him as a teacher, a corrector, a firm entity who is on a resolve to say only what he hears from God.



[Quote]But was is more shocking still, just to drive home my point, is that Islam even rejoices in the acknowledgement of their prophet by Hindus and Buddhists , shocking.[/Quote]at least the hindus and buddhists are sincere in their belief system. they may not agree with Islam, but they do not lie like a rug, a thing you can't keep yourself from doing. and muslims need no support from anyone. like the deendhow's theme song; muslim is not afraid to stand alone since he has Allah by his side.



[Quote]Other verses that might help :

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

James 2:5 Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?[/Quote]the corinthians verse will fail if a single christian is not saved in spite of belief in Jesus. i can name plenty christians who in their belief have demonstrated to the world that they are evil; hitler, mussollinni, etc, etc, etc. james 2.5 is an argument against you; Muhammad [as] was unlettered. the whole of arab tribes are considered dirt and even the possibly only son of Abraham who you consider the father of faith, Ishmael is called a wild ass by you and the jews. shame on you, unless you can tell me a single wrong thing that Ishmael did. you have failed if you can tell us what he personally did that could be immoral and will qualify him as wild ass while Isaac would be the civil child with a wife that plotted against him and her own son, and grandsons who were so devilish that they sell their own brother into slavery and lied to Jacob. Muhammad [as] warned against evil deeds. he elevated the status of women in the society while the west had to wait till 1960's for her women to burn her bras forcing christian man to accept on paper that woman is equal to him.

pastoraio wants to kill christianity with a single punch or 1, 2 combinations.

i wo ogbeni yi; o ga fun e.

where is oodu ifa [and i hate it with the greatest of passion] in all of this? the oyinbo boys really did you in.

^^^^^^^^^^[Quote]« #24 on: Today at 01:41:34 AM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 12:19:05 AM
^^^^^^^^^^ shallow thinking. it is a mere commentary, maybe or maybe not type, since jesus of the bible did not give his reason for killing the tree except in rage of the pang of the pain of hunger. only humans get hungry, you know.

Look who's talking about shallow thinking Grin

And about Jesus' divinity - don't you guys ever take a break? Would a mere/man/human/prophet point to himself as Jesus did or make such "Jesus-was-a-mere prophet-shattering" statements such as the one below?[/Quote]we shall now analyze the sentence in the way the speaker, jesus refers to each individual in the sentence; there is the speaker, jesus and God. if we find that the speaker is not jesus, we shall see a third person singular usage to identify jesus who is claimed to be the son while mother is not the wife. in every sentence, if it came from jesus he will not use plural, third person singular to talk about himself.



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Joh 5:23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
(KJV)[/Quote]the two bold tell us the the speaker is neither the son nor the father who was speaking about himself as the son or the father.in the first bold, the speaker is somebody entirely talking about others; the son and the father. if this does not open your mind, the second bold should, unless the mind is completely the head of ostrich stuck in the sand. jesus will not be standing in front of people and be talking about himself as the him of a third person singularity. this 'him' in the john 5;23 of kjv shows the speaker is talking about 'him' who he himself not the 'him'.
All Glory belongs to Allah Who sent messengers and prophets [as] before He sent Jesus and sent Muhammad after 'him' to end the chain of messengers and prophets to mankind.
i know that you see how my 'him' above and the 'him' in your john verse are similar; john who does not have a last name and me, sweetnecta are the speakers talking about 'him', Jesus [a third person] to our listening or reading audiences.
i'm tired of your magic wand. it is not real while i am holding the stick of Moses. your false snake is an illusion, the reason you left opinion for me to kill it.


I think not.

^^^^^^^^^^ shallow thinking. it is a mere commentary, maybe or maybe not type, since jesus of the bible did not give his reason for killing the tree except in rage of the pang of the pain of hunger. only humans get hungry, you know.

[Quote]At Passover season in late March or early April, fig trees are often in leaf on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives. At this time of year, such fig trees contained only green early figs (Arabs call them taqsh), which ripen around June but often drop off before that time, leaving only green leaves on the tree. A leafy tree lacking such early figs, however, would bear no figs at all that year," (Keener, A Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, July 1999], p. 504)[/Quote]a juvenile tree too young to bear fruits will also be leafy. keener's commentary is incomplete because of many reasons which one of them is that a young tree will be leafy at that time, too, but not mature enough to even fruit until some years in the future. finally, jesus did not leave any explanation, so conjecture is not acceptable.



[Quote]Moreover, the cursing of the fig tree is a played or acted out parable, one which warned the nation of Israel of impending judgment. In the words of Messianic scholar David Stern:[/Quote]like the played or acted out parable of the [bullying] king who demanded the slaughter of those who will not want him to reign over them, m sure. did anyone notice that the gentle jesus was a fighter in both situations with no nonsense tolerated and don't take prisoner attitude? when the christians explained away, trying too hard to cover up the wide and visible steps of jesus in the tracks of mere man, they forget that God is always in charge, exposing to us the weak argument they make.

jesus was alone in the situation of the fig, just as much as he was in the wilderness, before and in the 3 temptations by satan after. no one should have known expect that he was probably boasting; i guess even then the nations of israel waxed better and stronger so much so that they were able to kill him, according to the nt, and they are even defeating the muslims and control the destiny of the christians, even now. if jesus as yahweh warned them, he failed because the were even after that got strong enough to kill him and now a world power house. jesus faile then and even now. so what use was his killing a tree that he didn't explained to anyone as you guys are explaining it, now? this is another way to show that jesus was an unsuccessful yahweh, even as a prophet, he failed if we use the fig tree issue to judge him.

@seyibrown; « #17 on: Today at 03:22:42 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:14:29 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and seyibrown didn't answer the question of the thread.


. . . . . and I didn't claim I did, Egbon, in the above post! I gave pointers.

Digging into the nature of Fig trees will help the OP to come closer to the situation, reasons and significance of that particular event.

Perhaps this will help you on the matter of the fig tree, Sweetnecta: Jimoh to ba ma l'oyin, Alamisi la ti n mo! The fig tree did not have any pre-season fruits (which are also edible), and if it was full of leaves, it meant it would be not have the main season fruits as well for that year! It wasn't 'pregnant' when it was supposed to be! It wasn't bearing fruit! Some background info helps to clear up little things that seem confusing in the bible! Christians ought not be caught in moments of 'not bearing fruit'![/Quote]if nothing at all in your argument, which all of it support my position, the bold clearly show that Jesus was powerless, like you and i. read all, below.

remember that mary was too young and definitely no man touched her. yet The real God Who is always above and never at once in the creation [earth] or look like creation [human] simply commanded pregnancy on mary so that jesus was miraculously born a helpless baby. and the same Real God created adam as a full grown man. then took a piece of adam and created fully grown woman eve, so that they do not need to be nursed, but they can be ready to make babies and nurse them.


This is just a sampling of True God versus fake God. i at least give it to the biblical jesus who said he was powerless.

by the way, since he was alone at the fig tree event, he must have told the writers. did he tell them the situation, reasons and the significance of the event, or you guys are just jumping randomly like corp-fish to your own?


a lesson for christians; the fig tree could have been a young tree which is immature to produce fruit. jesus could have been late so much so whatever he was to see was already done with. jesus could have been few days too early for the tree to begin to produce what he didn't find. a hungry jesus may not have thoroughly scoped the tree. after all, it there are some in its early days, it may need that seeker climbs and feel for it in the crowd[s] of heavy green leaves. i guess a hungry man is an angry man in this case.

another; killing the tree was not environmentally sound. it deprives the beasts of the air places to nest and bear their young, and even grazers to graze on its leaves.

another even that; in the Quran, you will read where Mary was told to shake the palm date tree and ripened fruit will fall down for her so that she can eat. this was the amount of work she did outside for foot, because in Surah Al Imran, she was given foods that were out of the season to eat. the palm date was already dead and was only a short stump when she was in labor near it. she uttered a statement that her condition at that time was too heavy for her. it is not in the same way that biblical jesus complained about God forsaken him. you will see the difference of how Quran honors a believing woman while the bible made a man prophet sounded ungrateful and lacked faith.

Mary was probably grabbing on anything she could hold as the labor pain increased and the baby was not even showing. she never was a mother before and had no idea what was happening. she might have grabbed the dead date tree stump or at least leaned heavily against it. The Sublime in Absolute Power Allah Azawajal inspired her by commanding her to shake the tree so that she can eat from its fruits.

immediately the statement, the tree came to live with leaves, gets taller and bore fruits that are already ripe all at once. A miracle was happening, again to her, all on account of her faith in her Lord Who is Above and not in her womb. after she ate some of the dates that feel, the baby; Isa bin Maryam [as] came out of her body with ease.


seyi, too ba ti loyun, loo raa date lodo awon imale ni london. eat few pieces daily. it is sunnah of the messenger [as] to eat dates in odd numbers; 1 or 3, . . .

inshaAllah, delivery of the baby will be easy on you. notice that this is a miracle all by itself; it can even happen in your life.

obviously, dates, have high content of moisture. the more slippery the birth canal is, the easier the baby will roll off the assembly line naturally on the conveyor belt.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and seyibrown didn't answer the question of the thread.

and many of this type of question above exist that say jesus was just a human; his actions pointed to this.

i am going to your answering-islam. i know i will not get anything from it that will make a man, that was powerless to be Almighty Creator.

@Roland17; « #69 on: Yesterday at 02:35:40 PM »
[Quote]The reason Abacha hated the yoruba's with so much passion was simple, they are simply TALKATIVES and boisterous, and it is still evident in today's Nigeria.[/Quote]is the position of late abacha the yard stick/standard of what a people are? the yorubas, including the muslims among us do not recoil because abacha or anyone dislike or even love us. we are as varied as any group of world people.

some of us a gentle to a fault, almost. some of us are true lions, while abacha was a mere domesticated cat. in people you will find the best of persons being hated for being firm in resolve. after all some people hated Moses [as] from among the community he led. so was Jesus [as]. so was Muhammad [as].

abacha's hatred for the yorubas was and is nothing to the collective quality of yorubas or any individuals except those who really cares for him.

@Jackpot; « #3 on: Today at 08:45:20 AM »
[Quote]@ Kobo
the schools are there but the funny thing is that those Almajiris dont believe in Western Civilization & Education. They need more of Islamic Education. I wonder why the FG can think up this thing[/Quote]before the west got her foot in civility and education, Quran of the muslims declared "Read in the name of your Lord"; the first verse of Chapter Titled "Creation" [read the first 5 verses which were the first set revealed of the Quran to Muhammad {as}}.

if these muslims all over the world, and the almajiris of the nigerian north in particularly are obeying Allah in these verses, there would not have been a muslim except he or she is the best in whatever academic discipline chosen.

in the time of the slave trade, the white slave masters feared the muslims most because they knew the muslims were more educated than them. while the slave masters and plantation owners can't speak their own english properly, the african slaves have already mastered arabic language and could write dissertation in it.

oh. and a ph.d german should not necessarily be fluent in english because she may not need it.


i think if the almajiris [and i hate the ways the northern elites allowed these precious resources to decay to this point, generation after generation, and the way they and others have butchered a beautiful name 'Al Muhajirin'; immigrant for the sake and cause of God, that they are now almajiris], are educated and become additional brain power source for nigeria, watch out world; the new and brighter day of nigeria as arrived because the light heralding the dawn that begins this oasis is peaking.


i am an al muhajiri and i support the president and his team on this bold step.

how i wish this guy tunde will stop calling himself bakare [Abu Bakr in many african tribe style].

if you are a christian, leave the name of islam alone.

if my name was paul as a christian, when i convert into islam, it would be natural to drop such a name.
if i was a jew with the name judas, when i convert to christianity, it would be natural to drop such a name.


and who so ever thought akintola [though i am not his fan] was jealous of awolowo must be deluded. awolowo was not a nice man. he was arrogant and lacked respect.

he stole by eminent domain as premier of western region.

and the slave of jesus wrote, putting his whole argument forward upon the bible.

is he so blind that he forgets that that bible of many versions with neither two exactly alike is corrupt? if it is not corrupt show us the uncorrupted bible and boldly tell us the others are corrupt.

from the pages of whichever bible to put forward, i will show you a verse saying that ot is corrupt. i will also show you a verse that nt is corrupt. i will show many evidences that the bible is corrupt.

by the way which man is the bible revealed to?

please give us the full names of the scribes.

the 'grace' of the christian is similar to fela's 'kalakuta republic'. neither is true and can't be what they say they are; when nigerian government was ready to deal with the fake republic, she brought a real republic to deal with it. grace of the christian therefore, which depends on jesus, we see that even jesus himself depended on God.

[Quote]More Biblical Sobriety

Most Christians in the western countries haven’t understood that they live in the middle of an attack of the Muslims’ holy war. Wherever a mosque is being built in Africa, Asia, Europe, and America, a new pier of the bridge of a totalitarian religion gains ground. In this building, people are no longer under the law of the host country, but under Sharia law. The goal of Islam will always be theocracy, as fundamentalist Muslims propagate it (Sura 2:193; 8:39; 61:9-11).[/Quote]there is nothing wrong with theocracy. Moses by the book God gave him [the meat of it was the ten commandments] ruled with the heavy boot of theocracy. jesus with the book revealed to him by God [the essence of it were to inform the children of israel that the truth that all the prophets of old brought including their laws were relevant and no one must discard anything from it and that the children of israel should be awaiting another comforter, who will teach, correct, lead to all things and adequately tell people who jesus was. whatever this another comforter brings, it is 100% correct because he was the spirit of truth, coming from God, a true prophet and teacher, full of spiritual holiness, speaking only all that he hears from God. jesus came with theocracy, too, since he was under the will of God. this is what islam is. i said Moses, and i didn't say the jews. i said Jesus and i didn't say the christians. but i said islam.



[Quote]Whoever says that Allah in Islam is the God of Abraham or the Father of Jesus Christ, is a dreamer and has not realized the apocalyptic attack of Islam. Never before have so many Muslims lived in Christian countries. Due to the excess of births, the number of Muslims double every 27 years or even faster, whereas the Christians worldwide need 54 years to double their number. Christians need to learn to face Islam with the gospel and to convert Muslims in Jesus’ name. Otherwise, one day there will be a rude awakening in the West, just as it was in the Middle East.[/Quote]first jesus had no father, otherwise his mother will be the wife of his 'real father'. we don't expect God to engage in illegitimacy. we do not not expect God to honor a woman who engages in illegal sex act. the child may be excused, but definitely the woman can't be thought of as a person of virtues. i always hear the christians present false list about jesus; either he is God, or a liar, etc. how about none of the above? those who lied and wrap the lies to the lips of jesus are really the lunatic liars freaking out of their minds. abd al masih [slave of masih [jesus]] forgot that before christianity there was or were religion[s]. christianity overran the countries he now calls christian countries because the existed before christianity. before judaism, there were religions. one of the religions was pure monotheism; islam that Adam, . . . Ibrahim [as] instead of the idolatry of ibrahim's clan. i'm tired of dealing with ignorance. the same God of Abraham was the God of Adam the first man, and his entire family of mankind, Enoch, Noah, etc, . . . me [sweetnecta] and you slave of human being [jesus] who is definitely slave of God.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
here you go, again.

both of my parents are yorubas.

my whole family; i mean my ascendants, all of them yorubas.

you said you are hausa. they say the whole world over; charity begins at home.

since you are a pagan hausa; talk to all the hausas or the pagans first. then talk to the pagans or the hausas after that.



but to come here and talk to the yoruba muslims is pure misguidance from you. we reject it. so hop skip and scoobby do away from us you nejess.


now; when i arrive home, InchaAllah, i will uproot the idol they had in my mother's moter's mother's mother's ancestral home; i will pay some white julius berger construction vehicle [front load] driver to do the job in the dead of the night.


Alhamdulillah; Ibrahim Hanifan [as] did it by breaking the dumb idols in his time. good ridden to bad things; idolatry.


i guess this is where i truly deserve your hatred.


and if you and your type across me in 9ja, i will smoke you up with magnum because i become in attitude clint eastwood in dirty harry, or stacy keach in the squeezed or charles bronson in vigilante. any which form that will be my jihad because an idol worshiper like you is always thirsty for blood.

what was my lie?

@Martian; « #6 on: Today at 10:32:12 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 09:40:24 AM
anyone in islam who kills or buries his or her family for unjust cause, and reading the bible as the reason is an unjust cause is not from Muhammad [as].

Muhammad [as] came to make straight ways that have been crooked; the arabs used to bury their daughters alive for many reasons, including 'dishonoring' that they perceived of her future because prostitution or illegal sex was a common thing,

the fact that 'dishonoring' was one thing Muhammad [as] acted against, the father and husband who killed and or buried his children and wife falls in what we call pre islam evil due to ignorance [jahaliyah]. all the evils are contrary to what the messenger brought.

Stop crying over spilt milk. The grandson of God, the heir to the throne of Jesus has been born already. He will start the cleansing right there in Egypt and undo the profound damage caused by Mohammed.[/Quote]i wasn't crying. my laughter at your ignorance is so loud that you think i was crying.

your ignorance makes you look as if you are one of those found in area 59 in the nevada desert.

it is what Muhammad [as] brought that will prevent my cowboy boot from burying its tip in your backside when they meet.
further, me a yoruba man is improved from the mere ajisebi yoruba lanri yoruba o je sebi enikankan by perfuming, using miswak, etc and have mini bath many times a day.

what is to be undone here, you seem not to like washing your skin?

[Quote]« #267 on: Yesterday at 10:56:07 PM »

^
In a word Karma.  Grin[/Quote]this dude compounds his disbelief by not just remaining in his 3 gods concept. he is vying into hinduism. when you believe in what they believe, which is not part of your original believe, you have believed in their belief.

@inesqor; « #248 on: Yesterday at 01:42:32 PM »
[Quote] Grin Grin

Drama. Cheesy

@Sweetnecta: First, have a seat abeg \_____ <---- Sofa Grin Grin Grin

@Pastor AIO / Deep Sight:
To be candid, I have also communicated with Pastor AIO via email (I guess the same dummy email) too, and I asked him some questions (for my own consumption) that I obviously could not ask on NL (don't ask). He knows I'm telling the truth. In this regard, I think I understand his point because he was just as reluctant to respond to me too at the time, too; but maybe he responded because I was not attempting to intrude on his privacy or skylarking by asking the same questions I or others had already posed on NL.

Deep Sight, I think you should not leave NL if you can help it *shrugs*. If you do, please leave us a forwarding address Wink

As for those being accused of using multiple IDs, I can't even say anything on that Lips sealed cos I'm as guilty as they come. . . Cry[/Quote]while you guys are shocked at pastoraio, he has been damaged by the oyinbo boys who ruffed him up in his early years in england; hence basket mouthing. pastor can't keep a secret; babalawos are terrible at keeping secrets, the reason they talk a mile a minute as if their gibberish is the work of christian holy spirit who forces people to speak in tongues. i see you are making your own confession. while i hate confession, you should at least chose a catholic priest instead of ifa priest, pastoraio.

the sofa cramp my style. i need to stand up to stretch the old bones.

he was a mere human because hunger is not a thing God Almighty will suffer. God suffers nothing. He is beyond all.

anyone in islam who kills or buries his or her family for unjust cause, and reading the bible as the reason is an unjust cause is not from Muhammad [as].

Muhammad [as] came to make straight ways that have been crooked; the arabs used to bury their daughters alive for many reasons, including 'dishonoring' that they perceived of her future because prostitution or illegal sex was a common thing,

the fact that 'dishonoring' was one thing Muhammad [as] acted against, the father and husband who killed and or buried his children and wife falls in what we call pre islam evil due to ignorance [jahaliyah]. all the evils are contrary to what the messenger brought.