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@RichyBlack,

There is no evidence that the official policy of Hamas is "fight Isreal till Isreal is no more". Show me!

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

Ami Isseroff
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

Any more questions Richy? Or do you need more proofs?  Here is the entire article for your reading: http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

@RichyBlack,

If you don't understand what the following statement means why not ask a more cerebral fellow on your camp to break it down for you.

Don't patronise yourself.

How can anybody with a brain interpret the statement above to mean that RichyBlack's religion is Judaism? Can someone help this guy? Please, I'm begging! It seems 80% of the misunderstandings on Nairaland can be attributed to poor understanding of Math and English.

You must be feeling cool with yourself thinking you are smart. A simple search online will shine some light on your ignorance. Let me help you here.

A follower of Judaism = Jew (hopefully, you can distinguish btw ethnicity and faith here)

A follower of Christianity = Christian

A follower of Islam = Muslim.

You will do well to not use a phrase you do not understand next time. You might want to check out wiki answers: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_followers_of_Judaism&alreadyAsked=1&rtitle=Followers_of_judaism

@RichyBlack,

For supporting Hamas, those civilians must die! Good point.

Every sane person knows that elections have consequences.  Americans had the chance in the last election to elect a man who believes that America should totally withdraw from world affiars and retreat into her borders. Americans chose not to do so. The election of Bush was followed by consequences just as the elction of Obama will.

The Palestines were fully aware of Hamas' intolerance of Isreal and its intentions to fight Isreal till Isreal is no more. Palestinians knew this and voted them in. Why should they be spared of the consequences of their actions? Have you not learned that what a man sows he will reap? Palestinians sowed the wind by voting Hamas, I am not surprised that they are now reaping the whirlwind.

@sleek_p,

Leave your email addy and I will send you a Bible at no cost to you.

And your point is?

@RichyBlack,

Nna, stop yarning dust abeg.

Call it whatever you want, it is the absolute truth.

Christianity is different from Judaism. Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ (New Testament) that focus on love (of God and of thy neighbor), as opposed to Judaism which is based on the Old Testament. Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ - the Messiah, is considered a false prophet in Judaism.

I have said you should dust off your Bible and read again. What was Jesus answer when He was asked what the entire law was all about? He said love the Lord your God first and your neighbour as yourself. Isn't that the same ything you just wrote? Wonder who is yarning dust now.

Christianity, unlike Judaism, does not base whatever restrictions that may exist as regards marriage on ethnic background, but usually on the basis of belief. So, in Christianity, gentiles do not exist!

That's where you've shown your lack of undersstanding of the Bible you base your faith on. What is Judaism? Just a collection of people of same ethnicity or people of same belief? The restrictions in the OT were entirely based on belief just as the NT. It just so happens that in the OT, the believers were essentially Jews. Do you realise that at least two of Jesus' ancestors were born as Gentiles? You certainly don't understand what you are talking about.

The bottomline is this. You cannot point accusing fingers at the Jews without condemning yourself. You are like a person cursing his grandparetns bloodline not knowing that he is cursing himself.

@RichyBlack,

Common, you can't be this daft! Try use your brain for once!

Very typical response from you. I won't respond in kind just so we do not derail this thread.

That A and B are subsets of C, does not imply that A = B or that A intersection B is not null. Simple logic like this eludes hypocrites like you!

You are not making any sense here. You wanna tell us exactly where you stand? Keep in mind that we are talking about Christianity and Judaism here. Does Christianity and Judaism intersect? Can one Are they mutually exclusive?

You declared you are a true follower of Judaism and you use the same mouth to call yourself a Christian. Let me just share Paul's word with you here: Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. I hope you understand that what he is essentially saying there ini Hebrews is that Christianity and Judaism are mutually exclusive.

@B.O.S.S.,

In as much as I respect your opinion and your right to your belief, but do you really think all Jews could or would be killed? Do you think that kind of argument hold any water in today's world? This to me seems like a theory of cognitive dissonance.

Back up a little. These are not my beliefs, but Islams! What cognitive dissonance are you alluding to? What I think about whether all Jews can be killed is immaterial. What we have to know is that no matter how inconceivable this is in the minds of the Islamists or the rest of the world, it will not keep the islamists from trying. They have a moral and spiritual obligation to make this prophecy of theirs come to pass.

@olabowale,

The Saul with a grace different from Jesus? Wow, the defender of followers of Jesus or the distractor to destruction? We see how he beat down on the disciples!

The one leading others to destruction is Mohammed. Is Mohammed not the one who confessed that he is not sure he will make heaven when he dies? This is the sociopath you guys have hinged your eternal salvation on? .

And in the battle of armageddon, watch out, Jews. The christians whom you gave spiritual water fountain to drink from will slaughter you, or force you to become Christians. You see the hypocracy in this, or are you blind to the message. Temporary gratefulness is not as the last act of mass killing that the Jews will get from your anger. The last act is what is memorable here. Duuh.

Olodo. If Mohammed will plagiarize the Bible, he should have at least plagiarized it well. The Crhistians killing Jews during Armageddon? Where did you get that from? is that one of the revfelations that Mohammed had while on the laps of that 12 year old girrl he married called Aisha?

Thank God. We read that there is no "christian Scripture" but Jewish Scripture. This is exactly what Jesus said; he was not sent but to the house of Israel. Qur'aan says the same thing. So the notion that Jesus is for the whole world is a dodd! Christianity is a manmade after Jesus had left. Hence it is in name only.

No Christian scripture? Are you for real? All the authors of the New Testament are christians. Abi you have another definition? Olodo.

Plagiarization; Read the story of Musa, in Surah Taha, and other places parts of the Qur'aan. Read the story of Yusuf, and others. What about Nuuh. What about Adam; how did he receive his forgiveness? Your Bible said he was created in a garden called eden in Iraq. Qur'aan says he was created in heaven, then entered paradise, and later was sent down to earth! Compare these and others. You will see which Book is superior to the other, in details and the essence of the stories.

Superior? You must be kidding. God wasn't drinking when He gave the earlier scriptures. His Word never changes. I know your idea of God is one who cannot make up his mind, one who can make mistakes and one who is so fickle. Jehovah is not like that, even though your arabian god, allah is that and much more.

Finally, think about it, how could the plagiarized be better than the original? If there is no hand of God in the better Book, then the god that revealed the weaker book must be a weak god, and not truly a God. As in the case of the Bible, you see the hands of men; these are your weak gods, their corruptions.

Scripture is given by inspiration. God never works on earth without the participation of humans. If God was looking to do something better, He certainly didn't top Jesus in choosing Mohammed. Infact, compared to the other authors of the Bible, Mohammed is no match for them in terms of morality and uprightness. The same Mohammed who wakes up one morning giving one law is the same who breaks it in the eveing. Take the limit of marriage to 4 women for example.

I just have to tell you this, man; if Muhammad (as) was the author of the Qur'aan, which is more superior than what your weak gods can muster, then Muhammad is an exceptional man, yet he did not take the glory for himself. Is thre anyone in history who could be that humble? For me, Muhammad (AS) is the Messenger and last Prophet of Allah.

He did not take glory for himself? Yet he is mentioned in the same sentence with your god each time you proclim your faith in allah. How deceived can one be?

The Church? I hear. And at rapture, the jews will be pummelled by the church and the gentiles? I guess thegentiles are the christians. lol. This is laughable.

Says who? Your pedophile prophet?

The jews are the brothers of your god? Is there a god that has brothers, except that he is a fake? The semites consists of all middleeastern bloods, and not just the branch of Isaac! To think semitic blood is restricted to Isaac family, alone, is like saying that only Oyo people are the Omo Oduduwa. Or to say that the Igbos are Umochukwu and the arochukwu people are not!

Keep foaming in the mouth. Everyone know what I'm talking about, including you who will like to make this an issue of semantics.

Christianity, a branch of Judaism. Proof; they are the owners of the Scripture that you read. It is made for them by them and not by you and not for you, except that you took it because you aint got no scripture of your own. Am correct since when the Good News of Jesus (AS) was revealed while there was no people or religion known as Christians or Christianity, respectively.

So it is the book written by that arabian gangster that you call your own book? Mohammed is already discredit as someone who lacks any moral fiber. He was killed by a Jewess which explains his curses upon them during his dying days. But he forgot one thing. God's word which cannot be broken alread declares that God will bless those who bless Isreal and curse those who curse them. So therefore, not only is Mohammed cursed, the book he authored is cursed as well. What do you make of those who hold on to the cursed book as their basis for godliness?

@Negro,

Your arguments sound very good, except that it ignores some very glaring details. Why would anyone strap himself up with bombs in order to kill others? Why would head of households deliberately use their wives and children as human shields? You think this issue is just a secular one that is driven by money? You gotta be kidding.

Even if Isreal lives at peace with the rest of the world, the House of Islam will never be at peace with it. Afterall, a Jew killed Mohammed and Mohammed has said the end time will not come until all Jews are killed. You wanna add all that to the equation?

@RichyBlack,

I've heard that. We Gentiles are unclean and should not be married. Imagine the Zionist hypocrites excusing the intolerance in Jewish holy books by shouting "they were written thousands of years ago". Hissss.

I suppose the next step is to denounce your adopted faith - christianity. Do you realise that the Jewish holy book is the same as yours? Are you aware that your faith explicitly forbids you to marry outside of your faith? What do you call that?

@RichyBlack,

People on our side, who detest Israel's Apartheid policies will not go so low as to relish the though of dead Jews in Hitler's gas chambers. One has to draw the line somewhere to maintain basic decency! I really don't understand anyone making light the killing of Palestinians in the hundreds.

I hope you do not consider Tornadoz to be among the people on your side. Afterall, here's what he had to say regarding the Jews: There'll be a Gas chamber ready for them soon, I can smell the hot oven already. See Post #14 here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=213853.msg3297319#msg3297319

Don't let us lose sight of the objectives here.

1. Destroy the rocket launching areas used by Hamas
2. Destroy the tunnels used for smuggling weapons into Gaza
3. Destroy any and every physical infrastructure used by Hamas to exert control over Gaza
4. Inflict as much casualty on Hamas as possible
5. Take out Hamas' ammunition as much as possible
6. Secure international monitoring group to monitor any ceasefire that may be agreed.

Any more objectives, anybody?

And by the way, I hope RichyBlack and co will be here to lay out Hamas' objectives for us.

Israeli ground forces have entered Gaza!!! - BBC News

And so it begins. I'm watching it on abc News at the moment.

@Tornadoz,

God told the Jews (Torah says) not to go to the promise land until he gives them a sign but the Zionist couldn't wait. By this single act they've collectively disobeyed God. Now am beginning to understand the difference between Judaism and Zionism. Anyway I get the gist.

For the sake of my own personal learning and edification, could you please point to the exact place in the Torah where God told them not to go to the promised land untril He gives them the sign? And what excactky is that sign? For once, it appears you have some information I am interested in. Please kindly enlightene me.
and by the way, where is this Promised Land located?

@RichyBlack,

The true followers of Judaism are anti-Zionists, like us!

So you are now into Judaism? I thought you were a Christian? Talk about identity crisis.

@topic,

I feel the need like Paul, to defend and confirm the Gospel in the face of so-called christians who twist the scriptures unto their own destruction. Phill 1:9 - Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.

I can't but respond to Richy's attempt to misrepresnt the scriptures here.  John 8:44 refers to only a select few of Jews who were attempting to kill Jesus.  Going about saying that all Jews are from the devil is an insult on our God.  Don't you know that Jesus is called the King of the Jews?  Are you in effect calling him the King of devils (i.e Beelzebub)?

You call yourself a Christian and you so revile the Jews?  I can't fathom this. Your entire Bible was written by Jews (except maybe two authors).  Have you ever read Paul's position on the Jews?  Did you not learn that as Christians, we are only grafted into the tree God planted made up of the Jews?  As Bastage rightly said, you are nothing but a self-loather.  As a Christian, we receive our spiritual heritage through the Jews ans we must forever remain grateful to them.  We should give our all in all to them. Are we not told to share our carnal things with those who bless us spiritually? What have you done for the Jews to obey this scripture? Or are you just a Christians in words only?

The muslims too that here screaming about Jews, have they no shame? Their holy book which was plagiarized mostly from the Bible says a lot in terms of the Jews. What percentage of the Prophets that they have are Jews?  Do you guys think that God is like men who will change his mind about people?  The Jews are here to stay and as Jesus told Paul, you can not kick against the pricks. 

God recognizes only 3 groups of people in the world - the Jews, the Gentiles (or nations) and the Church. All three groups will be here till the rapture when God's final time table for the earth will come to a close with only the Jews and the Gentiles as players.  What we are seeing in the ME right now is a preview of coming attractions.

To Richy and co who call themselves Christians, do you know what Jesus said of those who do not give proper regard to his brothers the Jews? You really need to go dust your Bible and start learning. Trying to proclaim yourself self-rightous while kicking against God's will on the earth is nothing short of foolishness. Don't you know that the anti-christ spirit is rooted in anti-semitism?

God permitting, since everyone on this thread is starting to realise that the ME problems cannot be properly viewed and solved outside of its religious perspectives, I might open a thread to explain what is going on there from a biblical perspective.  Stay tuned for coming attractions.

@Tornadoz,

Tayo puleeeese! For someone so against the living i wonder why you care so much for the unborn.

I believe in live and let live. However, if you put my life and my family's at risk, I reserve the right to have you taken out first. Question: if armed robbers came to your house with a gun, would you just lie still and let them kill your family or you'll shoot them dead if you had the chance.

There'll be a Gas chamber ready for them soon, I can smell the hot oven already.

this coming from the person who just talked about caring for the living. You obviously share the same ideology with Islam. Jews are nothing but dogs right? They should not be classified as part of the living.

I wonder where your "world" is. Time for you to creep out your bunker and check the latest world opinion poll, 80% of people ally with the Palestinians.

is this opinion about the Palestines or about Hamas?

@topic,

Come to think of it. We saw the whole of Palestine jubilating on the streets after 911. I do not see anyone on the streets of New York or Tel Aviv rejoicing over the deaths in Gaza. Very soon, some will be here questioning the moral superiority of the Jews in this whole matter.

@topic,

Some dynamics have to change in Isreal/Gaza for there to be any meaningful peace in the near future. Either Isreal finds a way to crush Hamas such that they lose political control over Gaza, or they totally annihilate Hamas' military wing. None of the above will come easy but it will have to be done. A ground offensive might become inevitable and Isreal's window of opportunity to do just that is slowing slipping away.

Isreal is right now calling for the international community to come monitor any truce that may be brokered. Let's see if all these hypocrites will be willing to put their interests on the line to keep the innocents from dying. About time they put up or shut up I will say.

@RichyBlack,

The Zionists continue to murder defenseless women and children - they call it collateral damage!

I can see your passion is getting in the way of facts. Believe me, no one wants to see the innocent people die, but in our world it is inevitable, especially when we are dealing with people who assume some manner of death put them on a higher spiritual plane than others. This is certainly what we are witnessing in Gaza. If you feel traumatised by this incident, how do you think somone like me feels about abortion? What we are seeing now is child's play compared to the legalised massacre of babies in virtually every corner of the world today.

Isreal I believe, is in a war of necessity. If Palestines put down their weapons they will have peace, but if Isreal does, they will have annihilation. This truth is fundamental to the equation in the ME and Isreal is well aware of this.

Tha being said, I wonder if you can share with us, any war in history where one of the parties give advance notice to the other party of the precise location where it will be attacking. This is what Isreal has done. This was done to avoid civilian causalties. Until you can prove that other armies have been more careful than the IDF in limiting civilian causalties, then you certianly have no point. Here's what is reported that the IDF had done:

In what appeared to be a new Israeli tactic, the military called at least some of the houses ahead of time to warn inhabitants of an impending attack. In some cases, it also fired a sound bomb to warn away civilians before flattening the homes with powerful missiles, Palestinians and Israeli defense officials said.

They said the Israelis either warned nearby residents by phone or fired a warning missile to reduce civilian casualties. Israeli planes also dropped leaflets east of Gaza giving a confidential phone number and e-mail address for people to report locations of rocket squads. Residents stepped over the leaflets

Rayan, 49, ranked among Hamas' top five decision-makers. A professor of Islamic law, he was known for his close ties to the group's military wing and was respected in Gaza for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against Israeli forces. He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.

Israel's military said the homes of Hamas leaders are being used to store missiles and other weapons, and the hit on Rayan's house triggered secondary explosions from the stockpile there.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-213824.0.html

@adexcarz,

Please can you tell me what Vessel yours is?

Well, I sent the truck through AES shipping and ubnderstand they used Mitsui Lines.

@Uche2nna,

That only seems to accentuate Dayo's point that Israel is not indiscriminate in their targets.

It does. I'm only trying to put the "disproportionate response" into some perspective in terms of facts and figures.

@Olabowale,

The true follower of christ reveals his innermost thought.

What do you know about followign Christ? You do not even match your idol Mohammed, in blood-thirstiness and yet you are bold to declare others are not following their master's will.

No one can tell me that the palestinians, when they got to the land known as Palestine, displaced any Children of Israel! This I will like somebody to proof! But of course, Dayo is not a Jesus follower, but only by name. He is more like a Tyrant follower. Maybe Saul/Paul follower.

Of course they did not displace them. The Isrealites welcomed them as Visitors and now they have claimed they owned the land because of their population.  I know that is what you guys are planning for England as well.  Soon, you will want to send the inhabitants into the sea after you've gained the ascedency, population wise.  I hope you will consider it fair game if I mention Mohammed the way you refer to Apostle Paul. And by the way, Paul never killed anyone, but suffered matyrdom. In many ways, he is a better person than you-know-who.

Whatever your option, your heart is known, now. I hope when Israeli army invades Yoruba land, when somebody is killed there, you will just be as analytical.

For the record, it is your Arab and Muslim brothers that are committing attrocities in Africa now. And for the record, it is Isreal who has being their brother's keepers by taking in refugess from Darfur and giving them full Isreali citizenship.  What have your Arba brothers done other than take Africans as slaves?

Someday, the Kalifah office will be reinstated.

This is what we have tried to let people like RichyBlack, Afam and Tornadoz see all along.  They have failed to see this Middle East conflict for what it really is.  Here is Olabowale practically giving it away on the www.  This is nothing short of a drive by the Muslim world to establish a world-wide Kalifah.  But of course, they are too politically-correct to see the glaring truth.

And no soul shall die before it is appointed time and place. The might of Israeli army is no match for the Will of Allah.

So why blame Isreal? If they have killed the people (in self defence by the way) in line with Allah's appointed time and place, shouldn't you cry to that same Allah to question his/her judgment?

So too will Allah defeat Israel through the hands of Palestinian. He will raise a correct leader and people who are of great faith in Him. And in time, the present day great army will be brought to ruin. llah is capable of doing all things.

I know this has been not only your dream, but that of Mohammed. That anti-semitic spirit, which is equivalent to the Anti-Christ spirit has being evident since the day of Mordecai.  And just as Mohammed who died in the hands of a Jewess, and Haman who hung on the gallows he built to hang the Jews, Hamas and others who wish to annihilate the Jews will meet their waterloo.  Let me share the Word of the Lord with you:  If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. One thing I have learnt is that anyone who attempts to break the Word of the Lord will himslef be broken.  You guys can keep trying, and you will keep failing.  

Isreal has being judged, and the only reason why they are back in that land is for the other nations to be judged.  That is why God brought back those nations like Iran and Russia.  they will eventually match against Isreal and meet their waterloo. The days are coming.

The battle of the trenches and Victory of Makka. And Later the Muslims used only "Chewing Stick", in the sunnah of the Prophet to defeat the enemy.

So why not tell Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and co to drop their weapons and pick up chewing sticks against Isreal? Hypocrites.

@RichyBlack,

Israel can only commit the atrocities it's committing today because the year-long siege on Gaza had severally weakened Hamas.

Is that so? How come Hamas now possess longer range missiles that have effectively put 1 in 10 Isrealis at risk?  It is good to support accusations with facts you know.

Soon, they'll grow some balls and fight against well-trained Arab and Persian divisions; that day is drawing nearer.

In all these conflicts, Isreal never initated the fight but only responded to being attacked.  The day these armies grow enough "balls", let them try and have their arses handed to them.

Nobody needs a soothsayer to tell him/her that the next time Israel engages a real army (not small Hezbollah or tiny Hamas), the blow to the IDF will be shocking!

We've heard that before.  In 1948, the armies you rely on were heavily armed and trained and advanced against isreal to totally annihilate them. What happened is now history.  They were totally repelled and beaten by the small country that had to deal with an arms embargo.

@Dayokanu,

I beg to disagree with your stance on disproportionate response of the IDF. Indeed the response has been disproportionate.

As at this morning's estimate, the casualty in Gaza is 60 civilian death out of 375 which represents a civilian casualty rate of 16% by the IDF.  On the other hand, the casualty in Isreal is 3 civilian death out of 4, which represents 75% civilian causualties by Hamas.

The IDF thus have a loooooooooong way to go if they want to match up with Hamas.

@ adexcarz,

Its in Lagos Nigeria shores. There's over congestion at the port that's why it hasn't been cleared yet. The vessel had arrived over a week ago but its yet to discharge. Give or take 1st week in Jan it will be cleared.

Omo, better hold on tight. The vessel that brought my car to Lagos over 3 weeks ago is yet to discharge. The discharge is estimated for the first or second week in January. I will say you shouldn't expect anything till the last week of January or early February.

@Sagamite,

Like I said before, you are just putting yourself into a bind with your arguments. It is not at all consistent.  Let's check out the following:
"I will say it only one more time and I will pray to God you comprehend it. Land lost pre-civilisation, pre-modern times should be forgotten.", and the following

"You expect me to rejoice or be grateful that you gave me back SOME of my land you forcefully and unlawfully took?"

You will have to define to us all, what you mean by pre-civilisation and pre-modern times in order to put your arguments in perspective.  If we go by the generally acceptable focal point in history now refered to as the Common Era, CE as opposed to AD, then we can rightly deduce that the undisputed owner of the land in question are the Jews.  As early as 70 CE, Josephus, a respected historian of his day, clearly wrote about the occupation of that land by the Romans, and how the Jews fought to the death to defend their homeland.   So do we consider 70 CE a modern time?

Let us also look at this on a personal level. If your Grandparents bequeth a land to your parents, who in turn give you the land, do you think you should just let it go if others settle on the land just becuase you moved abroad? Do you have the right to go back to your ancestral land, say in Naija after you've soujourned in the UK all your adult life?  At what point do you think you have no rightful claim over the land anymore?  These I believe, are legitimate questions.

@olabowale,

The Nigerian elites, oh, the pundits of political world, do not know that the Yahuud (Zionists) have two strikes against them: in the least, they see you guys as blacks, unintelligent, less than humans and unused brains. Please wait, thats just part of the first views. The second view is that you are not Jews, but Idol worshippers, who took an ordinary rabbi (Jesus) as a god, while cheapening their Yahwah/Jehovah is one of 3.

Since when did other people's thought of you become the basis for your consciencious and principled stance?  I know what you are trying to do is rouse an anti-semitic feeling in people, but you have failed already.  For anybody who knows anything about the history of Ethiopian Jews, you will understand what risk the Jews took to save Africans from war and resettle hundreds of thousands of them in Isreal. Can you share anything close to that the Arabs have done?

Sorry guys. Thats how the Jews see you. And none of you who lives in USA or Europe will tell me that the wealthy jews want you to be a next door neighbor. In New York City, they have Boro park and Bensonhurst. In New York State, they have Montsie, etc.

And there is China town, somali communities and your mosques that no "infidel can go into. Infact, the biggest segregation is there in Mecca.

The Arabs, may discriminate against me, they do know that they are doing that at their own peril, in the sense that if they die without seeking forgiveness, they will be punished. At least in the Mosque and even in Hajj, we all stand shoulder to shoulder.

So you've accepted yourself as an inferior race. Sorry for you. Who isn't subject to God's final judgement? You think you guys have a consciousness of God more than others? You must be joking.

Now to the issue of Zionist incursion, oh all out war against the palestinians; the palestinians around the world should just peacefully march in as a group of people into palestine. Let the world see what the "stiffnecked people" will do.

How can they walk in peace? Who will they be taking after by doing that? Obviously, they never saw Mohammed live by that example. Are they now going to follow Jesus' teaching and the ways of Paul? Do they plan to follow the ideals of Martin Luther King an "infidel"?

The same palestine that they refused to fight for under Moses, etc, is now the promised land? Who gave it to disbelievers? God Almighty promised it to the bloodline of Ibrahim His Friend. The last I check Ismail is the first child of Ibrahim.

They refused to fight? How then did they occupy the land? You forget that the generation that failed to fight did not enter that land. And by the way, Ishmael was the son of a slave. The promise was to Isaac and not Ishmael. If it was to Ishmael why didn't God lead them there? Did Mohammed lead any normadic people into the land? Keep deceiving yourself.

Though I blame the leadership of the arabs, who areplaying possums in this specific time. I hope the masses will awaken the islamic spirit that the hypocrites that are mistaken for leaders have repressed so much in their conscience.

The islamic spirit has being awoken for a while - Jihad. That spirit had its arse handed to it in 1948 and 1963. You guys want more arse-whooping?

@Sagamite,

You have put yourself in such a dilema. You have infered that Arabs have a rightful claim on the land becuase they conquered it in 636 BC (though really it was not the Arabs).  If they can claim the land through conquest, will Isreal be justified then if they hold on to all the land they conquered, including Gaza as recently as 1967?

Claiming that Arabs should be given the title of the land becuase of their population is in effect saying that the native Indians should be sent packing now that they are no longer the dominant ethnic group in the US!! Arab/muslim population is exploding in Europe. Very soon, they will use your argument to send the locals out into the sea.

@Davidylan,

Help me understand this one too Otele.

The Turkish airforce is bombing Kurdish bases in Iraq.

Israel is bombing HAMAS operatives in Gaza.

Iraqi citizens are protesting . . .

err the bombing in GAZA!!!

@Jakumo,

Veering back to the topic, it might not be a bad idea to hire MEND demolition experts to implode that hideous circular marble pseudo-Arabic monstrosity that houses Nigeria's president in Aso Rock, so that something a little more befitting of king can be constructed in its place.

I was priviledged to work with the firm Architectural/engineering firm that designed the Nigerian national Assembly complex. The inital design did not have that circular dome. It was incorporated later through the insistence of you-know-who.

The concept was a civilian Politician in his agbada with both hands raised as if trying to tidy up the agbada unto his shoulder. The dome was initially designed imitating the Shagari kind of cap. Below is the conceptual design that was altered. By the way, the same company designed and built the Lagos House in Abuja, imitating the "Eyo".

@topic,

Threats by the militant Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) has trigged nationwide security alert, with the police mounting a 24 hours surveillance in all parts of the country.

The highlighted portion of the report above cracks me up real bad. Nigerian Police mounting a 24 hrs survellance of the whole country?! What a joke. I'd rather take my chances at Las Vegas than trust my security in the hands of the Nigerian Police Force.