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@gamechange,

Let's have the VIN of the car so we can check history and advise on price accordingly.

With all the info provided above, what do you advise?

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@grovy,

hi, i offer you 1.4m.when is it landing.cash and carry

Thanks for the offer but it won't fly. Someone already offered me N1.6m, which is why I wanted to confirm on nairaland if it was a good price. My intention was to sell for N1.8m or best offer. As it is, the N1.6m so far carries the day.

Please see the link provided below. The suggested retail value for this car is $9,400 in the US. Consider shipping and clearing costs to Niaja to be about $5,000 (I am using a container). That gives a total landing price in Naija to be about $13,400 which is equivalent to N1.61m. With my mark-up for profit, N1.8m sounds good. However, considering this is a "prior salvage", I could take out N100,000 and sell for about N1.7m. My calculation sounds reasonable? [url]http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport.aspx?YearId=2001&VehicleClass=UsedCar&ManufacturerId=35&Condition=Excellent&ModelId=246&PriceType=Retail&VehicleId=4863&Mileage=99000&SelectionHistory=4863%7C29146%7C55443%7C0%7C0%7C188038%7Ctrue[/url]

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@sojizzle,

Lets have all round pix and interior pix and of course the VIN,if it looks good, then we'll talk.

The VIN no: 5N1ED28Y91C506289. More pictures:

@Autolord,

plz can u send d red one near the Xterra.I would love it.

Sorry that can't happen. That is our back-up/pool car. It is a 2000 Daewoo Lanos which we bought new. The market value does not compensate for the work it does. It is actually a very reliable car with very very low maintenance.

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Thanks for all the responses. Let me provide you with more information about the car.

I bought it off of someone who's owned it for 4 years and have put about 40,000 miles on it. The title of the car shows it is a "prior salvage". What that means is that it has an accident history and was repaired and considered road worthy. The guy gave me all the papers of the repairs that were done.

At this moment, the CD player is bad and I plan to replace it before shipping. I also intend to install a DVD system into it. This I would probably do this weekend and have it shipped by next week. OTher than these, the car is in excellent condition. I've personally put about 200 miles into it with absolutely no issues. I am actually tempted to keep it and ship my Lincoln Navigator, but my wife reminded me that the Navigator meets the family needs better than the Xterra.

Here are some more pictures.

@RichyBlack,

I thank you guys for a good job in explaining to those pretenders the fact that health care is a right.

I am not too surprised y the manner in which you entered this discussion. I still believe the best of you that one day, you will learn to discuss issues without an attack on personalities.

The United Nations General Assmebly issued a Universal Declaration of Humna Rights. Please point to where it is implied implicitly or explicitly that health care is a human right!

@toshman,

tayo, i cannot use ur constitution as a basis for my argument. ur constitution is a man made document and the people who wrote that document, dare i say, are as imperfect as i am. and permit me to say, albeit audaciously, that i am more educated than the majority of the people who wrote that document. however, i humbly accept that my so called higher education/degrees does not mean that i am wiser. in summary, we are all human beings.

Then we are not arguing from the same point of refernce and i wonder what this discussion is all about. This issue arose out of the debate last night when Obama said health care is a constituional right. The question is whose constitution? Certainly not the United States.

my argument is that healthcare is a human right. it is a moral issue and not a constitutional issue.

If healthcare is a human right, then the US and British govt must hands off healthcare. Let healthcare be handled by the UN if it is indeed a human right. Afterall, the UN intervenes and is set up to intervene when human rights are trampled all across the world. So why would healthcare be diffrenet?

u americans always take that ur constituiton as a holy book that is impeccable. sorry, it is not.

It is that same constitutionthat gave rise to the most powerful nation ever in the history of the world. It may be imperfect, but it si more perfect than any other ever written.

healthcare is a right. and practically speaking, the right to life is not without a right to healthcare. i asked before, what is life without healthcare? tell me.

There are several things that come with life. In that case, clothing and shelter must be equally regarded as rights. You do not have a right to a shelter, neither do you have to clothing. Your government's role is to ensure that no obstacle is placed in your way to obtaining them.

i don't care what ur constitution says but any govt that stands and watches it's people die off in illness is by my assessment irresponsible to say the least.

How many times have you seen Americans dying on the streets for lack of health care? My friends were here last year to have their baby in the US, and they didn't pay much eventually. What is your point?

keep this argument simple. universal heathcare is a right and this does not necessarily mean that somebody else must provide it but it means that it is something that should, and dare i say, must be, in place.

Now you turn your arguments on its head. What Obama proposes is that the govt will provide universal healthcare and not put the means to obtain it in place. I am all for govt making the laying field level and letting the market take care of itself. That is why McCain proposes that the State boundaries need to be removed to make the field more level. Obama's is all about mandates.

u have a right to life may not mean that the govt must keep u alive but it means that the govt has a duty in ensuring that u don't loose ur life unnecessarily.

America has the best healthcare system in the world with the major pharmaceuticals also. All this without the govt mandating one thing or the other. Now we want to change that. The way the govt can ensure you do not lose your life unnecessarily is to ensure that their s no obstacle in your way to obtaining the best healthcare at the cheapest price without making you a burden to the society.

similarly, right to healthcare means that the govt has a duty to ensure that u have access to good healthcare services to help alleviate ailments and maintain a state of health for all it's citizens. it is not a privilege. it is a right. it is a moral obligation. it don't matter if ur founding fathers admitted to it or not.

You are repeating the same thing here again. Like I said before, healthcare is not a right, it is a responsibility. The govt cannot force a hospital to give you treatment, but it can force someone to not violate your rights to free speech.

These are two different things which you do not seem to understand. A right requires an obligation from others (willing or otherwise). I am not obliged to pay for your health treatment, even though I may feel morally inclined to do so. It is your responsibility to ensure you get yourself adequate health coverage, and it is the responsibility of the govt to ensure that nothing stands in your way to get the best health coverage for as cheap as is possible.

Hi,

I am sending a 2001 Nissan Xterra SE to Naija. The pictures are attached. It should be in Niaja by December. Just wondering what the going price for such is now and if anyone will be ready here to buy it. I am leaning towards N1.8m.

@toshman,

Apologies accepted, and I tender my own too.

Here is an artile I just came across. I like the following the most - "Our founding fathers had a clear understanding of the inherent nature of rights, and of the fundamental difference between rights and entitlements. They understood that the pursuit of happiness was an individual quest, and that the outcome was not guaranteed by any government program or agency. They recognized that by exercising one’s right to freedom of expression, no cost or burden is imposed on any other individual or group.

When we declare that healthcare is a right, however, we automatically create a corresponding obligation on someone else’s part to provide it." http://chrisberryonthe.net/2008/03/25/healthcare-is-not-a-right/

@Ibime,

If we do a cost analysis, you would find that you would be able to pay tax toward healthcare and still have full private insurance without spending an extra penny. . . . like I showed you, your private healthcare cost will go down.

Please go ahead with your cost analysis. I will be happy to look at real figures.

Come on man. . . . we have had social healthcare for ages here. . . no one has ever told us what we can and can't eat. . . . you are scaremongering again. . . . too much Fox News skews your World view. . . .

Scaremongering? I am telling you of what is even going on today. Employers and Insurance companies are now making your health their private business. People are receiving calls from their insurance companies telling them they either have to lose weight or lose their insurance. NBow imagine such powers in the hands of the govt. By the way, I can't remeber when last I wastched Fox News. I do not even subsribe to the channel on my cable.

you need ask your neighbours the Canadians whether Govt places any restrictions on their way of life instead of giving us scaremongering propaganda. . . sometimes, I wonder what world you live in. . . .

I live in a world where I see the govt as a force for evil if not curtailed. The govt hardly do their jobs well and yet we want to give them more power over what they shouldn't be involved in?

the constitution does not provide for free education either but we have it now. . . constitutions are amended all the time. . . the constitution was simply written for its day and age, just like the Bible. . . . we live in a different world now. . . .

So do not claim it is a constitutional right as Obama implied that health is. You can claim it as a social issue and address it as such, but not as a constitutional right. By the way, your view of the Bible is way-off.

@toshman,

I think this is where you need to use your brain. You have to know that a human right cannot be trampled upon by another person. Putting it succintly, "your right ends, where mine begins." If your getting a luxury deprives me of my human right, then I have the right to sue you and have the govt enforce my human right. If health care is a human right, then the govt can take my money and my house away from me just so as to pay for your health care. Afterall, why should have have a luxury when your human right is not secured? Please use your head and not abuse others of such.

@ibime,

Who cares what the constitution says? At the time of the constitution, people were still keeping slaves. The world has moved on from 19 kporodimkpom.

It is the blatant neglect of the constitution that has brought the US to the brink of economic ruin that we find ourselves right now. Thrashing the constitution is not the answer at all. Does the constituion promote slavery? What part of the Bill of rights promotes it? Please share with us.

@toshman,

healthcare is a fundamental human right. (not just a constitutional right) and also, it is a moral issue. also u talk of the right to life, what is life without good health? i'll tell you, torture.

Do you understand the implications of your statement? That means the govt has the right to deprive me from buying a home so long as they can prove the money should be used to meet someone else's health needs. Rights are enforced by the govt and this will only give the govt the powers to do and undo just so as to meet someone's health requrments.

Let me give you another scenario. Claiming health as a right will make the govt determine what you put in your fridge at home and what you eat udner the pretext of sustaining your right to good health. You are talking about something bigger and greater than you can ever imagine.

@Ibime,

You didn't addrress the issue I raised. Is healthcare a constitutional right? We know of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Through the first ammendment, we talk about the right to free speech. So under what constituion is health care regarded as a constitutional right?

@blackspade,

Well, I think it should be a right for every American.

Okay, all our constitutional lawyers are encouraged to wade in. Is health care a right or is it a responsibility as McCain suggested? The apparent perception of what it is determines what policy a candidate will propose.

Can we get some contributions please!

I'm not limited to any doctors or a group of doctors.
I don't need a referral to see a specialist.
I can go get second opinions

I have no such limitations as well.

Remember McCain wants to tax your employer with the right hand and hand you a so called taxcredit from the other.
REMEMBER IT IS A TAX CREDIT NOT A CHECK OF $5,000.Big big difference if you make more than the average person.

The only way that the employer can avoid that tax is to pay you the money as salary. This way, he can also get the tax write-offs. How can I lose for winning? I get more money from my work and still get cheaper and more relevant health coverage. Why should he hand you a check? This means someone can get the check and not use it for health purposes. Rather, you get a $5,000 tax write-off like you do for day-care and other expenses. This is much more prudent.

Not true. You can buy health insurance on your own today from any place you want as a self employed person,the question is ,are there physicians in your area who would take it? That is the question.

You can't buy any employer insurance out of State. As long as the mandates and limitations are taking out of the way, things will get better.

You are very funny o. So if I receive treatement, my hospital will not collect the money because it is from another state?

Abeg, I dey go sleep. Got to be at work tomorrow.

@Plus_Queen,

The vison thing you keep hounding how much is it sef? My health insurance does not include vision yet we pay over $500 a month for family coverage and that's through my employer o. what are you talking

$500? I pay $250 a month for family coverage! You see what I mena now. With McCain's plan, you will probably be saving $250 at least every month while getting the same service. See how they are ripping us off with these mandates?

@Davidylan,

you missed it. He said the insurance companies would (just like the credit card companies and banks take advantage of lax regulations in Delaware) simply set up shop in states where insurance regulations are lax and the tax payer simply gets screwed over by legal red tape.

We are saying the same thing - mandates. The companies prosper and are free to run their business where govt interference is minimal. You are not forced to use credit cards from one company or the other. Rather, you shop till you get the best price for same value.  

@plus_Queen,

what competition? do you know how many health care companies are already ou tthere? do you think they don't compete? why do you think employers change companies from time to time?

Tell me, who do you think will get the best price? The person who is told to buy an item only within a particular shopping mall or one who is free to shop throughout the nation?

I dare you to pick up the phone tomorrow and call metlife or blue cross and blue shield and ask to buy coverage for your family.
Remember there are several out there competing.

There are several out there but I am only limited to the once within my State. Isn't the health coverage they receive in NY good enough as the once they receive here in MN? Why should I be limited through my employer to MN?

If they quote you anything less than $800 a month get back to us with what they cover and what your deductible and limits are.

But that is the thing. My employer pays just as much each month while I also pay about $250 in addition every month. My employer might as well pay me that money while I shop as needed.

Lord have mercy.This is even scarier. The $5,000 is just to buy the insurance without treatment  Like buyng a car insurance without coverage  my bro how does that work?

Of course that is not what I am saying. What your employer is paying for now is also not treatment but coverage. The money paid last month was not for treatment I received, but for coverage in case of illness. It is simply the same thing. Just like car insurance, you can choose to have basic coverage, liability or comprehensive while also choosing your deductible. These options are not available now.

For instance, our health coverage pays for a yearly medical check-up. Now my Doctor told me 2 years agao that I am as healthy as can be and do not need to se him every year. So why am I paying for what I know I wont need for another 3 years or thereabout? My dental coverage pays for a vist every quarter and I know I only visited once last year, and still trying to sort out my vist this year. Why is all that money going to waste?

@topic,

The fundamental difference here again is that while one candidate believes and trusts in the ability of the individuals to make the best decisions for their families, the other thinks that the govt is the alpha and the omega. Anyone who has seen how Washington is broken and how completely wasteful and incompetent the Govt is, will be wary to have the govt control healthcare. One of the major problems both candidates never really answered today is the problem of entitlements. While that problem isn't solved, we now want to add more to what the govt should control. That is madness.

@Davidylan,

Tayo, that plan sounds "good" economically but in the long term is even more dangerous. Of course you don't need any medical attention to your sight now but (God forbid) you develop a serious eye infection?

What is mor edangerous is to have the govt control my health coverage. Things like this works better in the private sector. It is indeed more economical and will cost the government nothing. Compare this to Obama's mandate whenre the govt will have to subsidize. We are talking of reigning in spending and he is expanding it.

i'm not sure you heard Obama's reasons why that wont work.

And that is what ? - Lack of mandates. It is the mandates and lobbying that is making everything so expensive right now.

what makes you so sure you would never need vision coverage?

Its all a nmatter of family history and personal history. I have an extremely good vision and so does my wife and her family tree. Based on this alone, I can save my family a lot of money every year.

@plus_Queen,

anything to help your premiums come lower and keeping what you have is a million times better than someone giving you a tax credit of $5,000 to go shopping for health care.

What will lower your premium is competition and not government regulation. If govt insists on a particular premium for everyone, then they have to be ready to subsidize, which means tax increases. Going across State lines is the best way to get the best price.

For someone in the health care profession,that is bunkum.

Can you explain?

Where on earth do you think individuals would shop for health care?

The same place you shop for your car insurance. Does your employer or govt provide you with this insurance?

do you know where to shop?

You do not know now becuase you are not shopping.

$5,000 cannot do a thing for a man talk less of one with a wife and children.

Of course it does. What this is to buy insurance not to purchase treatment. These are two different things.

How about those with pre existing conditions?

No doubt this will increase your premium. However, look at it this way. Why should I be paying for vision when I do not need it?

The man has no clue.

I'm not sure you understand what he is proposing.

@plus_Queen,

Right now, the average employer pays close to $15,000 per annum to cover their employees. What they do is that they receive a tax write-off for that amount while giving everyone a blanket coverage. For instance, I have a coverage for my eyesight which I do not need, yet my employer has to make that payment. The insurance companies are thus getting money that I will never use.

In McCain's plans, I get a $5,000 credit which I can use to pay and buy insurance from any where and based on my needs ( I will not buy any for vision). This way, to get the regular tax break, my employer will have to pay me the money they are paying to the insurance agencies, and I end up having more money in my pocket while having the chjoice to get the coverage I need.

This is just a simple explanation.

@Plus_Queen,

Do you understand it?

I do. Do your not? Why do you criticize what you do not understand then?

@bawomolo,

obama had a slight edge. mccain didn't do so bad except for the healthcare messup

What do you mean? I sincerely subscribe to McCain's health proposal. The current method is totally not working well enough.

@Davidylan,

- Blacks are only 12% of the US population . . . 95% of that size is nothing!

The issue here is not the size but the percentage.

- Who did you expect blacks to vote for? Blacks have been traditionally democrats since time immemorial, did you see any black face at the RNC?

Absolutely. You probably didn't watch the debate or too polarised to see it.

You expect blacks to vote for a traditionally racist party? This isnt rocket science bro.

Traditional Racist Party? You obviously don't know the history of the Blacks in the US. Was Abraham Lincoln a Democrat or a Republican? Perhaps we should start from there.

- Obama and McCain are "equally" competing only for the sole reason that one is black and the other white.

Mind you, the competition is for the White votes and not the Black votes that Obam has effectively conered. Who is racially polarised here?

If Hillary Clinton were the one against McCain there'D be no need for debates . . . she'D be leading by 50%.

keep dwelling on the hypothethical. The history we have is that Obama, a Black, defeated this same Clinton, a White.

Again it aint rocket science. Do you people think at all?

Again throwing insults as if that makes you smart. You totally lost the point of the whole gist about the percentage of balcks and whites that are in competition here. You should settle down and think about the issue rather than these outbursts.

@davidylan,

I think the last poll showing that racism is the sole reason Obama isnt leading by double digits has been exhaustively debated on this section. The debate was made more prominent by your conspicous absence.

I have chosen to not waste my time on an issue that people are so passionately idealogue that you can not make a sensisble point to change anything. A while back, you agreed with me that the only reason that Obama is where he is today, is because he is Black. Now that you have done a flip-flop, how do you expect me to approach that.

Food for thought.

Obama, a black man has locked in over 95% of the Black vote while McCain, a white man has less than 5%.
Obama, a black man and McCain, a white man are equally competing for the White vote.

Considering the above fact, who do you think is a victim of RACE here? Let the facts speak this time and not your passion and prejudice. And believe me, I'll excuse myself from this discussion if you can't deal with issues without addressing my person.

@davidylan,

We saw two men tonight:
- one with a rational mind, willing to share ideas, cerebral, prudent with facts and figures and calm enough to lead the world.

Figures? What figures did Obama share?

- We saw a bush clone, a rabid, rude and condescending attack dog who only has one button - "go".

Again, abusing someone does not make you right.  

Sorry Tayo . . . Americans are no fools. McCain can bluster, Bush did same 8 years ago. How many times did Obama have to say "that's not true"? Its a shame that a man has to descend to lie to score a sore point.

Americans are no fools, and that is why Obama is not leading double digit now despite Bush's failings for the past 8 years. In this I agree with you. By the way, you can go on CNN and check the facts checker out. That Obama says its not true does not make it not true. Obama himself is a bloody liar, which is not surprising considering all Politicians are like that.

Joe Biden just spoke on TV a few minutes ago, if he were to speak exactly the way McCain spoke to night (name dropping) Palin would do well to not show up at the debate.

What name-dropping did Mccain do? Other that listing names of countries, and heads of states and recalling facts with clarity. He shows great understanding and wisdom for his age. The first person to go on attack in the debate was Obama and he met more than his match in McCain. He thinks this was going to be like the Democratic debate where everyone was afraid to address issues for fear of being called names.

@plus_Queen,

Okay he called him by the name his parents gave him,big deal!

He did that not just once, but consistently even when McCain was refering to him as Snator. This shows nothing but arrogance. It was the same arrogance he's had all along that has kept him in trouble with rural America and Palin.

what do you say about an old man that tells blatant lies?

Please list the lies.

t

wisted statements,told half truths and was caught in them all.

Why don't you list them.

Yes he had his senior citizen moments albeit in a condescending ,I -know -Petreas- you -don't,I -dine -with- kissinger- you don't- sort of way.

He was just stressing his experience and dwelling on his strong point. Obama on the other hand, didn't have one strong point.

Going into a war that's costing us billions is sa strong point.

Like McCain said, the next President is not going to undo the decision of going to war in Iraq, but will have ot handle how the war is fought. So far, McCain has shown better judgement on that.

Voting over 90% with Bush is a strong point.

Obama voted almost 50% with Bush and Biden voted over 50% with Bush. Your point?

Obama ought to say it louder and more frequently.

Unfortunately, he didn't have his teleprompter at the debate.  

MCCain is a war monger and it's obvious.

He shared his record during the debate. You seriously believe this?

Americans should be fools to continue Bush's reign for another 4 years.

Of course, those who disagree with you are fools.

@Mckren,

I was also disappointed that Obama did not point out that McCain voted to cut Benefit for Veterans when McCain talked about how he will take care of Veterans.

Obama did not point that out because it will bring out a response from McCain. Do you know why McCain was agianst the last Bill?

@bamolowo,

seems like a draw. none of them really excelled or captivated the crowd.

The crowd was advised to be quiet throughout. That explains the silence. the fact that you consider it a draw shows that McCain won hands down. Afterall, everyone was expecting a killing. Even when they talked about the economy, McCain showed a better understanding of the issue than Obama, and he pointed to each man's record to butress his point about spending.

@Davidylan,

McCain is being extremely rude . . . Christ!

My guy, are you talking about the same debate we just saw. If anyone was rude, it was Obama. See how he was just calling hin granpapa age-mate by name. Meanwhile, McCain gave him the courtesy of refering to hims as Senator Obama. And despite all the personal attacks by Obama, McCain wasn't moved at all but kept to the point.

I am sure you are dissapointed that the one you considered the lion (Obama), was thoroughly devoured by the lamb (McCain). Obama would be wishing he had never insisted on the debate tonight.

Could you check this VIn for me pls: JT3HP10VXY7154786

@paribus,

I present another angle to you guys.
Could a smart alec wanting to be quickly successful and recognized as a car dealer of merit on nairalander purposefully create multiple identities over a period of time and use this identities to buy cars from himself - later down the line using the same fictitious IDs to post some bunkums about ---
"thanks I've just gotten the car radio code"
"please send me the 2nd key of the audi as discussed"
"I'm still awaiting the alarm code"
"the car was fantastic thanks"
---- just to boost his popularity and create some false perceptions about his clientbase ?
Knowing Naija - where anything can happen is the rule rather than the exception - I take every claim here with a serious pinch of salt. Regards

My thoughts exactly! To think I was planning to have this guy sell my vehicle!