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agiboma: ^^^^ No offence taken. But lets be clear on this PPROM issue, my stance is that medical professionals in Nigeria as especially too quick to throw in the towel and tel women they should terminate the pregnancy in issues of PPROM arising in mid secound trimester, for example 17 week, 19 weeks etc. [b]Their is a frequent poster on here who shared her story of PPROM in Secound trimester and she was also told to terminate the pregnancy, she did not listen to medical advice and carried her son to term. If it can happen to her in this Nigeria then it can also happen for someone els[/b]e. I am well aware of the risk to both mom and baby when PPROM arises early, but we are not g-d and miracles can happen and it did for a poster on this thread. I hope many others will read her story and look towards her positive outcome for encouragement. In my life i have 2 frineds that waters broke @ 17 weeks with a single baby and 19 weeks with twins, the babies where born early and spent time in NNICU but they are alive today. All the things you said about complications and developmental delays etc are true, but i am here to tell you that is not the case for everyone. Yes i dont know the circumstances behind the delivery of Eggy babies but ii feel the need to share this information perhapes it will help anther person in the same circumstances make an informed decision.
@Eeggy the only thing i can think of is to take progesterone up until term @ 37 weeks next pregnancy. I had anotherfriend that had PPROM @ 27 weeks and her secound pregnancy she was overdue, perhapes it can help you.

It's all good passing information but calling evidence based medical treatment "bad medical advice" is wrong. Yes cancer doesn't kill everybody some even have recorded spontaneous regression, does that mean offering chemo and radiotherapy to a cancer patient is bad medical advice? There are no absolutes in medicine rather treatments are formulated based on what has been scientifically observed and worked for majority.

There are very dangerous risks involved here, you're dealing with human lives. Maybe one person here claims to have carried a 19 week PPROM to term (which the odds are very low) the problem with all this my friend this, my friend that, they will never tell you about the majority who have died taking that same risk and lost their wombs and tubes to infections. When that happens to you, its only "oh sorry" they will tell you and "Our God is a miracle God he knows why this happened, he can give you triplets with damage tubes " while giving you stories of friend's friend who had bouncing baby boys with no tubes. When all comes crashing you're left on your own to bear the consequences. If worst happens and she dies, taking a very big risk will you be happy to have such weighing on your conscience? Believe me, it's a terrible feeling.

The clinical picture for every situation varies. People should not be relating A's experience to B's as one tiny detail could be the difference between survival and death.

To all the women in this thread, I wish you safe deliveries, one of my professors used to say, pregnancy is not a disease, it's not a sickness and our women shouldn't be dying. He had an artist paint a picture of a pregnant woman in a protective shield and several arrows each labelled with a different medical condition pointing towards the woman in the protective ball, he'll carry this artwork around then tell us, it's your jobs to see these arrows coming from afar and stop them anyway you can. That is the mindset your doctor has, he's looking far ahead of you trying to see those arrows coming and his priority is to keep you alive and whole. Where there is life, there is also hope for more children. 

Peace to you all and safe deliveries.

tosin481: to my best knowledge and experience, i think d best way to protect ur car from being stolen is to be born again and be a committed tither, not just a church goer but a commited and holy child of God. I tell u thiefs will be afraid of u and ur belongings

lol

agiboma: Sorry for your loss, g-d is faithful and will soon fill your heart with joy and the sounds of little feet running all over your house. The answer to your question is not simply. I guess you are located in Nigeria, where medical know how is not so advanced. Anyway even though the water has broken the babies can still be alive for the fact that cervix did not open i cant understand why they dlivered and induced labour. I know many women that had their water break at 17 weeks, 19 weeks with twins also and the babies are both alive today. This happened in Canada, they had a "dry birth". PPROM is hard to explain the only prevention is possibly taking progesterone supplements next pregnancy to avoid it. In any pregnancy if the water breaks in secound trimester the mother is started on antibiotics to prevent infection and usually placed on bed rest. I am afraid the medical advice you got to induce labour was not good advice at all. When they scanned the babies after the water broke did they have a heart beat?nIf they had a heart beat you should have been told about your options. How was your wife's bp during the pregnancy? remember every pregnancy is different.

hello sister, I admire the job you're doing here but I think you're being wrong here. You don't know the full medical history of the patient and the real clinical picture as at the time this incident occurred. You can't just sit behind a computer and pass judgment without all the facts. It's not nice at all please. Stuffs like this might seem innocent but have far reaching consequences as the patient might decide to wrongly sue the doctors based on your short-sighted views. And in such a situation nobody wins, the doctor and patients spend money in a case that could drag on for years. Frustrations set it and the doctor can't understand why he or she is being persecuted for doing his job.

Let me play "devils" advocate here. This PPROM occurred at 19 weeks, more often than not in latest 2 weeks time 99% of cases will have gone into spontaneous labour. Delivering twins at say 21 weeks. At that you'll need a very sophisticated NICU to cater for the twins for months and months. Which is very very very expensive and most often such children born very premature have some forms of mental or physical disability. Infact I don't think there is any NICU in Nigeria capable of taking care of such premature babies. This is Nigeria ma'am not Canada.

In clinical practice, what we do is when such PPROM occurs at maybe 30 to 32 weeks, we try as much as possible to push it to 34 weeks when the fetal lungs will at least be ready with enough surfactant to breathe. This process is also sped up using steroid injections. We try to delay labour as much as possible using tocolytics. Even at that when we manage to push it to 34weeks its prayers that the neonatologists will be able to keep that baby alive. Sometimes with miracle they succeed other times they fail.

PPROM occurring at 19 weeks hasa very very very poor prognosis even in Developed countries. For you to say you know "MANY" women who have have live babies today with PPROM at 17-19 weeks I am 100% sure you exaggerated.

Hope you get what I've tried to clear up. This isn't an attack in anyway please. If it's taken as such, then I apologise in advance.

Chizzybenjamin: Hey peeps,
I hav bin way to oppressed dat I dnt only wanna liberate myself n buy a PB,but wud buy and sell here for a gud price to others.
My question is dis,I kinda noticed that US used Pbs r not being advertised for sale here on NL,butI saw a lot to purchase.I wud b shipping in some used 16gb PBs.
Hope dere aint no general issues 4 dem not be sold if so pls state,so I can quickly deviate.It cud also be dat dey r scarce(gud 4 me)
But as for me am getting myself a used 32gb n I dnt giv a hoot sins I got a good rating on it.
If it goes as planned(which it wuld) den tell ur friends to get ready 4 sum real fun on deir PBs w not less dan 10k savings.
Ur inputs wud b appreciated all d same cos aint made up my mind on d purchases yet

Nothing wrong with used pb's as long as you're getting them from a reliable vendor who won't sell you melons. It's up to you to then find buyers and sell to them at very attractive rates. If your used pb and new one are almost same price, logically people will go for brand new ones instead.

I meant blackberry phone not tablet. Transfer the file to your phone then rename it with the bb file manager. If you want to be able to do same on your tablet, download and sideload the App called "files and folders".

efewhoa: @TCD, that 9mm game does it not save, played it several times and completed about the first two levels, but everytime I close it I have to start all over again?

if you downloaded the version 2 from the specific link i gave for 9mm, you shouldnt have this problem. Its the version 1 that has an auto save bug.

2010a: Please does anyone in the house know how to transfer files from any smartphone eg blackberry, android etc to PlayBook. I have been trying to do so since yesterday night to no avail.
I am very confused now.

you can only transfer files via bluetooth with a blackberry thats bridged with your playbook. And you need an app called files and folders to do that.

Efewoha, remember you were getting the 9320 from UK, how's the battery life of the device so far?

efewhoa: downloaded that 9mm game when I tried sideloading I was told file is not a zip file. What does that mean please

rename the 9mm from .zip to .bar. Do that with the file manager on your blackberry, not windows explorer.

efewhoa: thanks alot, my PlayBook would empty without you. When I click on download the Page keeps refreshing, does that happening to you?

yes it does, I just keep pressing till it downloads. Or better still, use your blackberry phone browser doesn't do that.

efewhoa: please do you have a link to download that Lara croft game.

.http://minus.com/l33bn7tLTaUN1

efewhoa: @TCD there was this game u posted a pic of.. Can you please give me a link to download it. I downloaded Modern Combat 2 Black Pegasus from app world, really enjoying it y'all should go download it.

name is 9MM.http://minus.com/lm08eryJ14Xeg

I may have posted on the wrong link for "PB Native apps" and "PB Native games" on page 8, apologies to all of you. This is the right link,for native games http://chimen.minus.com/m0V0NMiHn/1g . The games are in alphabetical order, scroll to R there you'll find real football. Page 8 has been modified also for both.

The links are working perfectly, just clicked them now.

efewhoa: It has worked, thanks a lot. The link u posted to get games is not working, can we get another one please.

check page 8 of this thread.

Lexusgs430: I sent drummer a bb request to test, cos I no be babe hin decline acceptance, na sandraa hin dey find!!!

lol, drummer , come and answer allegations against you.

efewhoa: yeah I have done that, waiting for the DDPB to connect, its been tryng to connect for over 15mins now is that normal?

not normal, restart ur laptop after installing do JRE. Things to check, make sure devt mode is enabled and the IP you see in the devt mode page corresponds with the IP displayed on ddpb. And ofcourse your password should be entered correctly.

[quote author=dan_dollar]TCD. Those applications on that site you specified some pages back,cant on download directly to the playbook from that site? Will i have to still go thru the hassles of sideloading? I tought they've been already converted to bar files?[/quote]you can't just install bar files directly, they have to be sideloaded onto the device.

efewhoa: I tried it again but this time when I clicked on connect on the DDPB, this message came up 'Java is not recognised as an internal or external command'. What should I do please?

you're supposed to download the latest Java runtime environment (JRE) and install for ddpb to work. I stated it there. Did you download it?

cafedeluv: Thanks TCD but how do i reload the os using dingleberry.

i keep getting banned for posting this, don't know why. Just got banned again this morning.

I don tire for the spam bot. Anyway,quick summary download the playbook OS, download dinghy extract the folder. Put the files of the playbook OS into the custom folder of dingle berry folder u extracted. Enable development mode on your PB, connect the usb cable, launch dberry, enter your PB password and connect. Then click on firmware on the db interface, on the left drop down menu select 'custom" on the right drop down menu select full os. Then click update. Watch as db loads the pb os you put in its custom folder into your playbook.

Since I can't post links without getting my ass banned, use Google to search for where to download dingleberry berry and where to download Latest playbook OS.

efewhoa: First attempt at sideloading didn't go quite well,my device ended up doing a security wipe and I now have to upgrade the pb. Will try again once I do the upgrade today.

sorry man, wonder how that happened. When learning to sideload, start with very tiny apps, easier to learn the ropes with them. Goodluck

Yeecar: (1) please how do i reset my playbook book back to factory settings. And do i need wifi connection for dat?
(2) How do i send files from my play book,using bluethoot?
(3) Av gone through your manual on sideloading,seriously i dont understand it at all. Please try and xplain it in a simplified manner for non computer gurus like us.
(4) where can i download applications and games for my playbook free of charge?
(5) Am presently using curve 2 for brigding,and seriously have not realy enjoyed my play book at all, its really really slow and @ times it doesnt even connect to the internet @ at all. Please what type of phone do you sugest i upgrade to. 'As very fast intrnet connectivity.
Tnx in anticipation of quick response, oga tcd.

Chief lexus has answered you wonderfully. Bridging with curve 2 is serious punishment.

For no 2. You can only send files via bluetooth to a bridged blackberry. And you need an app called files and folders, you'll have to sideload it.

No 3, the manual on sideloading is pretty simple. links and pictures are there to guide you. Just calmly read it, download the necessary tool (ddpb) and follow it step by step. It's not hard I tell you. Once you have the tools in front of you and reading the manual, it makes much more sense than going through and trying to imagine.

Fhemmmy: With extra 8000 Naira, you could get one, Sir . . . So do you give me a go ahead to pick up a a BB 9360 for you . . .

jesu christi . Abegoo, I'm waaay over budget. Let battery chill. Get the 9360 instead, sounds like a good bargain. Thank you. I'd like to see pics of what it looks like pls, hope it's not white, pink or any of those freakish colours.

Fhemmmy: In that case, i will advice that you buy an extra Battery so while one is in use, the other is chilling

how much will that cost extra to get it from there?

Fhemmmy: For some reasons, the first choice seems really difficult . . . And i dont wanna promise what i am not sure of when to get it.
Not that it is not available at all oh, but cos of the scarcity, the price they asking for is not making sense and i will NEVER buy such for a buyer of mine . . . Not worth it, cos you could get a Torch 1 for the kinds price they asking for

phew, this is tough. In that case I'll be willing to grab the 9360 then. My main concern is battery quality, if the battery that'll be coming with it is top notch, then I should be okay. Coz I'll do alot of FM radio and bluetooth, need it to last.

cupid4ig: Come no more posting on this page until I get my own PlayBook.>:O

lol, sorry sir

efewhoa: Please where can I download apps from apart from the App world?

downloading apps outside app world, you'll have to sideload them into the playbook. Flip back the pages of the thread, steps on sideloading have been outlined, plus many links abound on where to get apps.

Racheed: TCD pls i wont mind meeting you before goin back to school for your very large apps/games. Its the 5mb download limit guy..

ah my bros, you're still on that one? Why not just get an OS 6 blackberry to save yourself headache. 2nd hand cheap ones like curve 3G.

Wouldn't have any problems giving you all my application/game archives but I'm not in Lagos o.

Fhemmmy: Nothing yet, but please tell me if you would settle for a 9360 at a cost of only 31K and you pay for the delivery to you. . . Just my way of saying, Thanks for your business . . I will be picking one 9360 up tomorrow and i will be willing to give it to you at that price

i appreciate your efforts sir, 9360 isn't really my first choice I prefer the other one for the reasons I gave u before. That said, it seems it's going to be too difficult for you to get hands on my first choice coz of scarcity and I might have to consider settling for this 9360. So it really depends on how confident are you on being able to secure my first choice device for me?

Oga mi, how far, any headway with that stuff?